Thanks Greybeard! I love your super chill and insightful takes on D&D. I’ve gotten a bit sidetracked on my 4e project since the release of 5.5, but plan to resume in 2025
Great research ! Wow - looking forward to see your licensed D&D4e content ! This is really intriguing and makes me think it might be worth writing a campaign.
it's a real shame you can't put statblocks in the text, the best part of running 4e is the two page spread with everything you need for a combat, no faffing with three different books, just open it and run it
YES! 4e module coming. When do we get some spoilers? Level? Location? I think just listing monsters and items and spells is fine. In first edition modules that’s was done a lot and a DM played with the DM guide & Monster Manual handy at all times. Also you can make your own goblin or a completely new monster. Most first edition modules had a few new creatures in them. The Fiend Folio was really a collection of monsters from modules that TSR had the rights to because they had licensed and published the modules. Great research & I hope this all works out how you have planned. 😀
The 4E engine is great; I loved it. Unfortunately WOTC dropped the ball with 4E from day one. Iv done several videos about it. Thanks for showing some light on 4E
Lol. Just before I started recording I shooed the cat out of the room and up the stairs. Then I talk so fast, I never caught my breath. I should have waited a couple minutes before starting. 😄 I appreciate your concern.
It's a bummer that 4th edition died (or never really lived) because of things having nothing to do with the actual game itself. And equally a bummer that they won't just re-release it under the OGL now. It isn't like it's going to interfere with the juggernaut that is 5E
@adolexical right?!? 10 years after it was phased out, all I heard from people that spoke ill of 4e was, "Oh, I never played it." I loved my experience with 4e. The tactical side of combat was such a fun feature of that system. It encouraged a party to work as a team and led to some awesome clench plays every session. I've tried to get more people to at least try it out, but the negativity surrounding 4e has been too great of a hurdle.
This was linked in r/4eDnD, and I'm copying my comment from there for visibility: There were two other things. The 4E OGL explicitly forbade digital tools, especially character creators -- because if you couldn't use the actual material (other than just saying "look it up"), then you couldn't make software that used that material. Also, even though the SRD includes a "template" for things like powers and magic items and monsters, it doesn't tell you how to duplicate it. No indications of which fonts to use, or the font size, or spacing. And notice that it doesn't include the shading on alternating rows that everything used. So even though you could mimic the format, you could never copy it so your material would look like, at best, a poor facsimile.
But the 4e GLS was not a replacement for the ogl, but for the old "D20 system" license. For someone who just wants to make D&D products this might not matter much, but the ogl gave a lot more freedom if you wanted to make a different game.
So you can't redefine the terms but you can add new terms right? That still gives a lot of potential for new mechanics for modules or homebrew classes.
YES! 4e module coming. When do we get some spoilers? Level? Location? I think just listing monsters and items and spells is fine. In first edition modules that’s was done a lot and a DM played with the DM guide & Monster Manual handy at all times. Also you can make your own goblin or a completely new monster. Most first edition modules had a few new creatures in them. The Fiend Folio was really a collection of monsters from modules that TSR had the rights to because they had licensed and published the modules. Great research & I hope this all works out how you have planned. 😀
Finally, someone did a proper research. You have my respect kind sir.
Thanks Greybeard! I love your super chill and insightful takes on D&D. I’ve gotten a bit sidetracked on my 4e project since the release of 5.5, but plan to resume in 2025
Same here! I was running kots for my group and we shifted back to 5e for a while. After we beat Tiamat we'll be back for Kalarel.
Great research ! Wow - looking forward to see your licensed D&D4e content ! This is really intriguing and makes me think it might be worth writing a campaign.
I almost spit out my morning tea when you actually MAILED the form! 😆Looking forward to seeing your creative output!
it's a real shame you can't put statblocks in the text, the best part of running 4e is the two page spread with everything you need for a combat, no faffing with three different books, just open it and run it
YES! 4e module coming. When do we get some spoilers? Level? Location?
I think just listing monsters and items and spells is fine. In first edition modules that’s was done a lot and a DM played with the DM guide & Monster Manual handy at all times. Also you can make your own goblin or a completely new monster. Most first edition modules had a few new creatures in them. The Fiend Folio was really a collection of monsters from modules that TSR had the rights to because they had licensed and published the modules. Great research & I hope this all works out how you have planned. 😀
Man... now I want to release 4e content, too...
By the time they amended the license to make it at all palatable to most 3rd party creators just about everyone had already given up on 4e.
Bloodied is back in 2024 5e, so it will be in the SRD that comes next year.
The 4E engine is great; I loved it. Unfortunately WOTC dropped the ball with 4E from day one. Iv done several videos about it.
Thanks for showing some light on 4E
Interesting post, Greybeard, thanks. Are you feeling OK? You sound out of breath through the vid.
Lol. Just before I started recording I shooed the cat out of the room and up the stairs. Then I talk so fast, I never caught my breath. I should have waited a couple minutes before starting. 😄 I appreciate your concern.
It's a bummer that 4th edition died (or never really lived) because of things having nothing to do with the actual game itself. And equally a bummer that they won't just re-release it under the OGL now. It isn't like it's going to interfere with the juggernaut that is 5E
@adolexical right?!? 10 years after it was phased out, all I heard from people that spoke ill of 4e was, "Oh, I never played it."
I loved my experience with 4e. The tactical side of combat was such a fun feature of that system. It encouraged a party to work as a team and led to some awesome clench plays every session. I've tried to get more people to at least try it out, but the negativity surrounding 4e has been too great of a hurdle.
Be great to get new content for 4E, let us know when it is out and I’ll be sending money your way.
Release a DMG3!
So... WotC was scummy way before 5e.
Anyways, you earned a sub. Im running DnD for my gf wife and using 4e. So Ill keep an eye on your content.
Good luck. This is the first 3rd party 4e module that I have ever heard of. And there is a reason people didn't make content for 4e.
I know there was one made called Zeitgeist that got a lot of praise. I think there might also be another one called Scales of War?
This was linked in r/4eDnD, and I'm copying my comment from there for visibility:
There were two other things. The 4E OGL explicitly forbade digital tools, especially character creators -- because if you couldn't use the actual material (other than just saying "look it up"), then you couldn't make software that used that material.
Also, even though the SRD includes a "template" for things like powers and magic items and monsters, it doesn't tell you how to duplicate it. No indications of which fonts to use, or the font size, or spacing. And notice that it doesn't include the shading on alternating rows that everything used. So even though you could mimic the format, you could never copy it so your material would look like, at best, a poor facsimile.
But the 4e GLS was not a replacement for the ogl, but for the old "D20 system" license.
For someone who just wants to make D&D products this might not matter much, but the ogl gave a lot more freedom if you wanted to make a different game.
Hi ! Do you think that is possible that you put a link to all these documents please ?
The link to my website is in the description. You will find all the documents there.
So you can't redefine the terms but you can add new terms right? That still gives a lot of potential for new mechanics for modules or homebrew classes.
Agreed.
First? First! And excited!
YES! 4e module coming. When do we get some spoilers? Level? Location?
I think just listing monsters and items and spells is fine. In first edition modules that’s was done a lot and a DM played with the DM guide & Monster Manual handy at all times. Also you can make your own goblin or a completely new monster. Most first edition modules had a few new creatures in them. The Fiend Folio was really a collection of monsters from modules that TSR had the rights to because they had licensed and published the modules. Great research & I hope this all works out how you have planned. 😀