Good luck Alex! It's going to be a long journey, Ryans felt like forever. Your transparency with bad things in the hobby is why your channel is so brilliant, you can tell its not an easy thing to go through especially losing long loved fish. Hope you're all good, and power through it!
Yuk . That hurts . Hopefully you will become a quaranteen pro . Learning best quaranteen method explained by you will be extremely valuable. You are great at researching & simplifying. Best of luck treating your pets . You will probably have the ultimate quaranteen vids . Please try to keep them on the shorter side rather then the live chat . Your me favorite 😊
Dude, awful news and I'm gutted for you but I am also very much in awe of the fact that you'rte happy to share the difficulties. Reefing aint easy and its refreshing knowing that you're happy to share the journey. Keep it up mate
Follower from Australia buddy. I really hope it goes well for you and its not too stressful. Cheers for informing us of you situation, look forward to the updates!
Oh Alex, I’m really sorry to hear about this news. It’s incredibly easy for the armchair enthusiast to forget the sheer effort involved in maintaining a reef tank, even when things go well; let alone when things go sideways! Any on top of that you remain committed to producing RUclips output to boot. Keep going, you’ll thrash through this crap phase and collect a medal on the other side
A good video and your on track to fix it, this hobby is very testing at times and the good times will soon come again - good to show how it can get though, chin up and fight it 👏🏻🤛🏻
Hey Alex, I'm so sorry to hear the troubles you're having. I went through the same thing, but with what I believe was Velvet. Maybe Brooklynella, too. Lost quite a few fish and all my fault for not QT'ing some rehomed Tangs ! 😞 I set up a QT and used Copper Power, too. Worked great, set yourself up with a little schedule on a calendar, get a Copper Hanna Checker, and have plenty of made up Saltwater for water changes in the QT. There's an online Copper calculator too to help with dosing amounts. I had to slowly dose up because of my Porcupine Puffer fish, and then once I'd hit therapeutic level, the correct amount of days started then. Make sure the Copper level doesn't drop below the therapeutic level. Otherwise, you have to start again. Also, get some Cuprisob ready to absorb the Copper at the end of the treatment and lots of water changes. I then left my fish in the same tank for the remainder of the fallow period. If you want, you can check out my RUclips video for ideas of what I successfully went through. Honestly, I'm not trying to promote my channel. I just want to help a fellow Reefer. Good luck 😀
Ah, bud. This is rough. I had a similar issue hit my 90gal about a year ago. We got a mystery wrasse and a sunburst anthias online and wanted to show them off for company, so we took a gamble and didn't quarantine. I lost 6 fish, including the two new ones over the course of about 3 days and had to quarantine the rest and let the DT go fallow for 6 weeks. During the fallow, we ended up losing a couple of corals, and stunted the growth on a bunch of the others. Also, the DT is in our livingroom and it was utterly depressing looking at a fallow tank for that long. *HOWEVER* the quarantine and fallow worked, livestock were replaced, lessons were learned, and I haven't had a problem since! It also gave us an excuse to redo the aquascaping without having to worry about stressing the fish. It's hard, but it sounds like you're doing exactly the same thing as I did, which worked. So keep the faith, trust the system, and good luck! Lastly, I found this copper calculator worked really well for stepping up my concentration gradually, then getting back to the right levels after doing water changes in my hospital tank. Saved me a lot of time and math headaches (it is in gallons, because we are silly in the US): app.calconic.com/public/calculator/5c1f3b80cfbb64001b85c089
Hi Alex, sorry to hear about the tank issue. I have what I thought was white spot and dosed ground ginger in the tank and that got rid of it. Maybe worth a try. All the best
Bad news RD! Good luck with the recovery I am going through a very similar experience at the moment I had set up my new Cade peninsula and transferred over the fish I have had for quite a while Waited for a couple of months and then decided to get a group of fish from TMC direct via someone in the trade All was well for a couple of weeks and the tank was looking how I wanted, with brightly coloured fish swimming freely. Then the misery started! Day1 - A Jaw fish (TMC) which had not looked great from day 1 disappeared Day 2 - The Bellus Angel (TMC) died overnight. The Royal Gramma (TMC) disappeared never to be seen again Day 3 - The Blue Eye Tang (already had) died Day 4 - The Flame Angel (had for 4 months) died. The Dart fish (had for 4 years) died Day 5 - Male clown (had for 4 years) died Day 9 - Banggai Cardinal (had for 2 years) died Day 10 - Female clown (had for 4 years) died The fish were all feeding and looked fine a few hours before they died I didn't see any white spots so assumed it was velvet, but from what I have read everything would have died quickly if it was velvet Maybe it was Brooklynella?? I also bought a bach of snails from TMC so maybe they were the culprit I still have - Jade Wrasse (TMC). Aiptaisia Eating File Fish (had for 3 years). Yellow Wrasse (had for 4 months), LongNose Hawk (TMC). Diamond Goby (had for 6 months). 6 Line Wrasse (had for 5 months). Regal Tang (TMC) - They all seem well! Trying to catch them to put in quarantine proved impossible so I quickly gave up and have been using a product called Polyp Lab in the main tank. Maybe it has helped??? I reckon it is just the most expensive way possible of introducing Hydrogen Peroxide. My Mushrooms spew bright green stuff when I use it but don't die. Looking forward I will do nothing except continue to use Polyp Lab and keep an eye on the fish. Maybe buy more fish in say 2 months if all is well? I am not going to quarantine fish so in future will only buy fish that have been in a retail store for at least 4 weeks and eating well if it happens again I will go FOWLR as I prefer the fish and will be able to treat for disease in the display tank. My Grandkids would love me to to have a big crashed helicopter in the tank rather than rocks with corals !! lol
U could have used polyp lab medic and few powerful uv sterilizers, but yes quarantine process will assure complete eradication of the out break, enjoy the process as it is the part of the hobby, cheers
BRS's QT video with Ryan and Elliot is great. Basically it's copper and a 100% water change every 3 days on the QT. Worked for my sick tang as well as inbound fish.
Hope all the fish pull through. 🙏 You are definitely taking the best course of action to give them a fighting chance. By the way those LPS corals are looking very tasty 🙌. Take care and see you in the next video. 👍
I have found copper power is alot more gentle to wrasse too if you have anything to seed the tank i would use that as alot loose fish through this being a new setup with copper
I had a similar thing happen to me and I ended up loosing a some fish. Since then I quarentine every fish and invert that goes into my tank. I've actually found that quarantine to be much easier than tearing my whole tank apart to let it go fallow for 2 months
I'm so sorry to hear. I lost a couple of my fish to ich a while back and it's always really tough losing fish you have had for a while. Copper power worked great for me, but the fallow period is the hardest part
Could you do a video of what to keep in stock for a emergency first aid kit for the tank? I think it could be helpful for a lot of people including not just shotgunning meds
Sorry you got pinched by brook & ich. It’s amazing how some people never qt & have no issues then your luck runs out. On the copper power I run therapeutic levels of 2.25-2.45ppm for two weeks. You’re right the humble forum is a great guide to use and he has helped me a few times when I needed it. Good luck
Sorry to hear. Glad I quarantine every fish, invert, and coral, essentially every drop of water, and my own tanks has their own equipment, never cross contaminating.
hey Alex please do a video on how you added the UV, also im planning on waterbox frag, how can we add the red sea reef mat to waterbox also a cool video
This is so freaky I’m going through/ doing the exact same thing right now , second day of therapeutic copper, metro coming Tuesday , lost 5 fish so far hopefully I can help the rest , il keep my fingers crossed for you mate .
I've used Seachem's MetroPlex combined with Focus food soak twice in the past couple years for ich outbreaks and it worked wonders! Everyone was looking much better within about 3 days and then completely back to themselves after the full 21 day course of treatment both times. Did not loose any fish or inverts with feeding MetroPlex/Focus. I hope they get to feeling better soon, hang in there!
Doing the hybrid tank transfer method you'd need no copper nore metro and it would not take more than two weeks. Just good planning and elbow grease. Good luck! 🍀👍
Sorry to hear about your problems; been there, done that. Even though this process takes time and resources, I'm sure you will succeed😀👍 I recommend you to add phosphate and nitrate when the tank is fallow. Just feeding wasn't enough when I went through this ordeal. Oh, and to catch fish I've had success with a soda bottle with the top quarter sawed off and inverted into the bottle again. Using some tasty food in there the fish (that fits the opening) usually go in👍 Good luck😀
Years ago I suffered a similar problem, but it was velvet. I set a hospital tank, but I lost about 20 fish, including some special ones. Then I learned some things. Keep that hospital tank and use it as quarantine. Good luck.
probably need a large 150to200W UV under slow flow of ~ 200GPH and run maybe 2 diatom filter at 300GPH that filters down to 1micron. Use the UV in close loop fashion on the display tank and the diatom filters in close loop on the display tank as well
It happened to me too, the exact same thing. You need to let the tanks FALLOW for 11 weeks. Some ich strains stay longer. Also use nitrofurazone with copper to help the fish a bit
Never had any problems with grammas! They always have done great for me. You could have gotten it from new coral frags aswell. Many eggs can come in on frags and they aren’t easy to kill.
I did a video about light and flow on this tank, but not about the Blades specifically. They do add a but of PAR but way less than the Red Seas which do the heavy lifting. I mainly have them for the colour plus a bit of extra coverage. I went for the Grows.
Now is possibly the best time to add most of the invertebrates you want, like that they quarantine in the main tank whilst no fish in there, they can also carry parasites even if it doesn’t affect them.
This happened to my Wife and Dad recently. Must be something going around. Because of this ive purchased a Fluval evo 52 for use as a observation tank. All fish will go in it for 6 weeks before they go in the main display.
I also used to not QT my fish and then I got velvet and all my fish died. Now I QT EVERYTHING coral, invertebrates, fish. The fish go through the whole treatment, chloroquine phosphate, metroplex, prazipro, and fenbendazole. I'm making sure nothing gets in. Unfortunately, people who don't QT have to learn the hard way.
Bloody royal grammar 😤 been there done that , I went fallow for 110 days as was away for the last 7 so tonight won’t do it any harm , lost some prized tangs , heart ache but managed to treat quite a few of the live stock 🙏🏼 I’ve qt’d every fish ever since , just finished doing a tank transfer on a kole tang along with a h202 dip . Good luck, all the best fella , least Ryan didn’t give it too you 👀
Alex, the reason why the fallow period is 72-77days is because some strains have been known to encyst up to that amount of time. Because copper only kills the free swiming stage of the parasite this means that if you treat for 30-40 days and then drop the copper concentration you run the risk of restarting the cycle all over and your fish will all get infected again. In fact, I am pretty sure that this is the reason why so many people say that they treated for copper and still the parasite seems to apear. The way to avoid that is to remove the fish once the QT is done and put them in a sterile tank for observation. It is the only way. If you do not do this you can see all effort going down the drain.
For what it's worth, I had ich in my tank 18 months ago It was never a massive infection but it did kill a few fish I plumbed a UV sterilizer and I've never had an outbreak since then, even with tangs being introduced (incl. powder blue)
Sorry about this. I know it’s the worst. I had a breakout in December. It looked like velvet but not sure. It knocked out my tang, butterfly and all my angelfish. I’m very lucky my tank was mostly wrasse, eels, and an engineer goby as they all have thick slime coats. A freshwater dip followed by two months in low copper saved them.
Shame to hear this news. Good luck & fingers crossed. You mentioned that you added a UV sterilizer afterwards. Do you normally run one as part of your setup but hadn't got around to it yet, or did you only add as a treatment method? I run one 24x7 with the hopes that it prevents parasites from exploding to large numbers. Curious what your usual method is. Thanks.
I used to but I stopped a few years ago. I'll be using this one going forward though - maybe 24/7, maybe just when I add new fish - a decision for later!
That’s a bummer Alex, but even an experienced reefer like yourself that didn’t follow the rules and hey presto it will catch you out eventually. Will you be able to do both treatments at the same time, if not then there must be a high percentage of even more losses, but nonetheless good luck with your treatments and eventual outcome. I’ll keep my fingers crossed 🤞 and I’ll keep an eye out for updates on this devastating development.
I'll be stocking a new saltwater tank in a couple of weeks; I think I heard Ryan say on your show that you should stock up on treatments so you have them at hand when needed. Do the treatments you are using have a long shelf-life? Good luck BTW, its gutting to lose fish especially if you have had them a while.
It’s horrible when something like this happens. Did you get your royal grammar from another tank owner or shop? I got 2 clowns from a friend and oh man, ich happened. All of my fish died… made a decision to stick to buying fish from stores as they won’t risk having ich and tend to copper treat their waters. So curious where you got the fish.
@@ReefDork I swear I’ve seen a marine video of the states where someone used a “fish dip” solution and then put it in his tank. I forgot which video it was but wish we had something like that. Dip and clean the fish before going into the tank.
Not sure how it works with white spot but my life saver for sick fish, and a super quick but effective quarantine, is hydrogen peroxide baths. Have you considered trying that?
@@myrcflyer9999haven’t used it in the tank to kill algae but i have had a lot of success using it on sick fish and quarantining fish by giving them 30 min bucket baths
@@daniscool8 I’ve used 3percent h2o2 directly on Zoa, Goni frags that have hair algae or bryopsis. Pluck off as much as possible with tweezers. Just make sure the corals are retracted before using a pippette to apply on the algae and leave for about 3-5 mins. Rinse off with tank water and put the coral back in tank
Probably the worst part of the hobby this, happened to me early on & was velvet, everything was dead in 48 hours I was absolutely gutted 😞 Hope you can save the fish you have put into QT 🤞🏻
When ich broke out in my tank, I tried polyplabs medic.. did it work? No, I think it made it worse and eventually all of my fish died. I then kept my tank fallow for 4 months and slightly increased temperature. Kept just corals and some clean up crew… and then battled an aiptasia problem with Nudibranchs as I had no fish etc Tank has corals now and looks good, but man..I’m so nervous to add new fish now. I want to but don’t want to go through what I went through. It’s horrible seeing your fish go through hell in front of your eyes.
@@ReefDork they do but not 100%. As my tank was fallow I wasn’t feeding. What I didn’t realise is that, amphipods were having a good time in my tank and they would eat the eggs of the nudi. I was advised to feed the tank some cheap reef food so the amphipods won’t eat the nudi eggs, but it’s a catch 22 situation. If you start feeding… the aiptasia likes it too and grows more. The nudis need time to breed and overpopulate. I can’t get a wrasse to eat the amphipods as they would devour the nudis like a 4 star meal. I had 7 nudis in my tank. It’s a Red Sea 170 so enough to clear my tank. So my situation was…on one side rocks were cleaned by Nudibranchs, the other side isn’t, but I think it was due to my nudis unable to lay eggs and breed due to amphipods. I did keep a banded coral shrimp to eat any bristle worms and an emerald crap, internet said it was safe to keep them with nudis but I do wonder if they played a role. Interestingly I spotted two nudis in my tank yesterday, they are nocturnal so not all are dead but aiptasia is still there and they are multiplying My next plan is to try some true aiptasia eating peppermint shrimps and see what happens. In the future I will introduce a leopard wrasse, six line as that should stop the shrimps from coming out or being lunch during day time. These wrasses are best for pests and I love the way they look too. This hobby is a journey!
What a coincidence... i had a tomato clown and he was very active. Then a month later I bought a royal grama and it hid in the rocks the whole time. Then a week later ,my Tomato clown fot sick and died. Then a few days later the royal grama floated around almost dead. Could not save it either. I did not quarantine the grama and it bought the disease into my tank. I am on the same empty no fish mode waiting it out.
Yikes that stinks. You should consider doing dips in formalin during your water changes of the quarantine. I wear goggles, arm length gloves and a 3m formalin mask to decrease the risks while handling it. Humblefish and Elliot from marine collectors + brs have great but slightly different methods.
First off… I’m so sorry this is happening. I know the pain oh too well. I don’t think that is Brooklynella or Ich… Here’s why I say that: 1. Brook looks more like a slime or coating on the fish. 2. Too many spots to be Ich. My vote is Marine Velvet! It can be a few weeks before it becomes noticeable, then a couple spots will pop up, then an explosion of spots on a fish or two… then everything is dead within the next two weeks. Your fish were fat and happy, and probably living with Ich the whole time… since you don’t quarantine. Ich isn’t always a death sentence. Many fish live with it just fine, as long as they’re fat and happy. Copper Power was a GREAT choice, as it’s chelated copper… and much easier on fish. I’ve had a hermit crab living in my QT tank for months at therapeutic levels of 2.5 (he came in on a clean up crew pack, and wasn’t reef safe… so to the QT he went). I’ve heard double medicating is dangerous, and probably so with sick fish… But when I quarantine with Copper Power, after 30 days I do a 20% water change and add PraziPro. I dose that twice, about 3 days apart. I’ve never seen any ill effect and the Copper Power is still at 2.0, which is technically therapeutic levels. I’m not sure about doing it with other medications though. Get the Hanna High Range Copper checker ASAP… I think the minimum fallow period is 76 days. No harm in going a little extra though. Humblefish is the right place to be reading! He’s a resource the hobby is lucky to have. Hopefully you’ll rethink the quarantine now, and maybe update or delete some of those old videos! If any fish make it and you do the fallow period… you’ll be pretty much parasite free, and only one way to keep it that way. About the only way to cure Brook, is formaldehyde (formalin). I still don’t think this is your problem though.
Yeah I no how u feel it's the same it's the same s..t side of the hobby me haveing problem in mine it's just one thing after next thinking just giveing it up to much money in this game
Yep! I actually needed both the suckers and the magnet - my glass is 19mm so the magnet alone isn't strong enough whereas it used to be on my 15mm tank
Good luck Alex! It's going to be a long journey, Ryans felt like forever. Your transparency with bad things in the hobby is why your channel is so brilliant, you can tell its not an easy thing to go through especially losing long loved fish. Hope you're all good, and power through it!
Yuk . That hurts . Hopefully you will become a quaranteen pro . Learning best quaranteen method explained by you will be extremely valuable. You are great at researching & simplifying. Best of luck treating your pets . You will probably have the ultimate quaranteen vids . Please try to keep them on the shorter side rather then the live chat . Your me favorite 😊
Dude, awful news and I'm gutted for you but I am also very much in awe of the fact that you'rte happy to share the difficulties. Reefing aint easy and its refreshing knowing that you're happy to share the journey. Keep it up mate
Much success in conquering this parasite problem, Alex
Follower from Australia buddy. I really hope it goes well for you and its not too stressful. Cheers for informing us of you situation, look forward to the updates!
Really feel for you mate! Hopefully you get it sorted without too many issues! Good luck!
Thank you for sharing your experiences. This hobby is never boring. Good luck!
Oh Alex, I’m really sorry to hear about this news. It’s incredibly easy for the armchair enthusiast to forget the sheer effort involved in maintaining a reef tank, even when things go well; let alone when things go sideways!
Any on top of that you remain committed to producing RUclips output to boot.
Keep going, you’ll thrash through this crap phase and collect a medal on the other side
Best of luck with the treatments. Appreciate you showing us the bad and the good👍🏻
Man i feel you was so sad when some of my fish died during a tank move. Never thought you can get so attached to fish!
All the best for your Tank!
Good luck my friend. Definitely been there but with ich and velvet. I now make sure I have assigned tools for each tank and not cross contaminate.
Sorry to hear, Mate. This really sucks. Wishing you all the best!
Sorry to hear your bad news Alew hope all works out and your back on track as soon as possible
A good video and your on track to fix it, this hobby is very testing at times and the good times will soon come again - good to show how it can get though, chin up and fight it 👏🏻🤛🏻
Hey Alex, I'm so sorry to hear the troubles you're having. I went through the same thing, but with what I believe was Velvet. Maybe Brooklynella, too. Lost quite a few fish and all my fault for not QT'ing some rehomed Tangs ! 😞
I set up a QT and used Copper Power, too. Worked great, set yourself up with a little schedule on a calendar, get a Copper Hanna Checker, and have plenty of made up Saltwater for water changes in the QT. There's an online Copper calculator too to help with dosing amounts. I had to slowly dose up because of my Porcupine Puffer fish, and then once I'd hit therapeutic level, the correct amount of days started then. Make sure the Copper level doesn't drop below the therapeutic level. Otherwise, you have to start again. Also, get some Cuprisob ready to absorb the Copper at the end of the treatment and lots of water changes. I then left my fish in the same tank for the remainder of the fallow period.
If you want, you can check out my RUclips video for ideas of what I successfully went through. Honestly, I'm not trying to promote my channel. I just want to help a fellow Reefer. Good luck 😀
Ah, bud. This is rough. I had a similar issue hit my 90gal about a year ago. We got a mystery wrasse and a sunburst anthias online and wanted to show them off for company, so we took a gamble and didn't quarantine. I lost 6 fish, including the two new ones over the course of about 3 days and had to quarantine the rest and let the DT go fallow for 6 weeks. During the fallow, we ended up losing a couple of corals, and stunted the growth on a bunch of the others. Also, the DT is in our livingroom and it was utterly depressing looking at a fallow tank for that long. *HOWEVER* the quarantine and fallow worked, livestock were replaced, lessons were learned, and I haven't had a problem since! It also gave us an excuse to redo the aquascaping without having to worry about stressing the fish. It's hard, but it sounds like you're doing exactly the same thing as I did, which worked. So keep the faith, trust the system, and good luck! Lastly, I found this copper calculator worked really well for stepping up my concentration gradually, then getting back to the right levels after doing water changes in my hospital tank. Saved me a lot of time and math headaches (it is in gallons, because we are silly in the US):
app.calconic.com/public/calculator/5c1f3b80cfbb64001b85c089
Good luck! I hope your remaining fish pull through!
Ah that sucks man! Good luck and hopefully the treatment works!
Thanks for sharing as not everyone shares the bad with the good and hope the fish get through it and you have no further loses 🤞🏻
Hi Alex, sorry to hear about the tank issue. I have what I thought was white spot and dosed ground ginger in the tank and that got rid of it. Maybe worth a try. All the best
Hope all goes well with the treatment Alex, this hobby certainly has it's ups and downs!!
Bad news RD! Good luck with the recovery
I am going through a very similar experience at the moment
I had set up my new Cade peninsula and transferred over the fish I have had for quite a while
Waited for a couple of months and then decided to get a group of fish from TMC direct via someone in the trade
All was well for a couple of weeks and the tank was looking how I wanted, with brightly coloured fish swimming freely. Then the misery started!
Day1 - A Jaw fish (TMC) which had not looked great from day 1 disappeared
Day 2 - The Bellus Angel (TMC) died overnight. The Royal Gramma (TMC) disappeared never to be seen again
Day 3 - The Blue Eye Tang (already had) died
Day 4 - The Flame Angel (had for 4 months) died. The Dart fish (had for 4 years) died
Day 5 - Male clown (had for 4 years) died
Day 9 - Banggai Cardinal (had for 2 years) died
Day 10 - Female clown (had for 4 years) died
The fish were all feeding and looked fine a few hours before they died
I didn't see any white spots so assumed it was velvet, but from what I have read everything would have died quickly if it was velvet
Maybe it was Brooklynella?? I also bought a bach of snails from TMC so maybe they were the culprit
I still have -
Jade Wrasse (TMC). Aiptaisia Eating File Fish (had for 3 years). Yellow Wrasse (had for 4 months), LongNose Hawk (TMC). Diamond Goby (had for 6 months). 6 Line Wrasse (had for 5 months). Regal Tang (TMC) - They all seem well!
Trying to catch them to put in quarantine proved impossible so I quickly gave up and have been using a product called Polyp Lab in the main tank. Maybe it has helped??? I reckon it is just the most expensive way possible of introducing Hydrogen Peroxide. My Mushrooms spew bright green stuff when I use it but don't die.
Looking forward I will do nothing except continue to use Polyp Lab and keep an eye on the fish. Maybe buy more fish in say 2 months if all is well?
I am not going to quarantine fish so in future will only buy fish that have been in a retail store for at least 4 weeks and eating well
if it happens again I will go FOWLR as I prefer the fish and will be able to treat for disease in the display tank. My Grandkids would love me to to have a big crashed helicopter in the tank rather than rocks with corals !! lol
U could have used polyp lab medic and few powerful uv sterilizers, but yes quarantine process will assure complete eradication of the out break, enjoy the process as it is the part of the hobby, cheers
BRS's QT video with Ryan and Elliot is great. Basically it's copper and a 100% water change every 3 days on the QT. Worked for my sick tang as well as inbound fish.
Hope all the fish pull through. 🙏 You are definitely taking the best course of action to give them a fighting chance. By the way those LPS corals are looking very tasty 🙌. Take care and see you in the next video. 👍
Cheers Jay. The corals look great 😅
I have found copper power is alot more gentle to wrasse too if you have anything to seed the tank i would use that as alot loose fish through this being a new setup with copper
So so sorry too hear this I recently battled white spot in my display lost my hippo tang and a few others praying for u
I had a similar thing happen to me and I ended up loosing a some fish. Since then I quarentine every fish and invert that goes into my tank. I've actually found that quarantine to be much easier than tearing my whole tank apart to let it go fallow for 2 months
I'm so sorry to hear. I lost a couple of my fish to ich a while back and it's always really tough losing fish you have had for a while. Copper power worked great for me, but the fallow period is the hardest part
Could you do a video of what to keep in stock for a emergency first aid kit for the tank? I think it could be helpful for a lot of people including not just shotgunning meds
Sorry you got pinched by brook & ich. It’s amazing how some people never qt & have no issues then your luck runs out. On the copper power I run therapeutic levels of 2.25-2.45ppm for two weeks. You’re right the humble forum is a great guide to use and he has helped me a few times when I needed it. Good luck
Sorry to hear. Glad I quarantine every fish, invert, and coral, essentially every drop of water, and my own tanks has their own equipment, never cross contaminating.
hey Alex please do a video on how you added the UV, also im planning on waterbox frag, how can we add the red sea reef mat to waterbox also a cool video
This is so freaky I’m going through/ doing the exact same thing right now , second day of therapeutic copper, metro coming Tuesday , lost 5 fish so far hopefully I can help the rest , il keep my fingers crossed for you mate .
Good luck with yours
I've used Seachem's MetroPlex combined with Focus food soak twice in the past couple years for ich outbreaks and it worked wonders! Everyone was looking much better within about 3 days and then completely back to themselves after the full 21 day course of treatment both times. Did not loose any fish or inverts with feeding MetroPlex/Focus. I hope they get to feeling better soon, hang in there!
Hope goes well Alex good luck hope works out well
Doing the hybrid tank transfer method you'd need no copper nore metro and it would not take more than two weeks. Just good planning and elbow grease. Good luck! 🍀👍
Sorry to hear about your problems; been there, done that. Even though this process takes time and resources, I'm sure you will succeed😀👍
I recommend you to add phosphate and nitrate when the tank is fallow. Just feeding wasn't enough when I went through this ordeal.
Oh, and to catch fish I've had success with a soda bottle with the top quarter sawed off and inverted into the bottle again. Using some tasty food in there the fish (that fits the opening) usually go in👍
Good luck😀
Best of luck to you and your fish.
Did you have to order the metroplex from overseas? I tried to find it here but got told they dont sell it in the UK.
It was a UK website but it's delivered from the States. Still hasn't arrived...
Best of luck, hope the fish will make it
Good luck mate 🤞
Years ago I suffered a similar problem, but it was velvet. I set a hospital tank, but I lost about 20 fish, including some special ones. Then I learned some things.
Keep that hospital tank and use it as quarantine. Good luck.
Oh, really sorry to her this😢
Good luck Alex. Had similar problems. Don’t use copper with angels - tank transfer is better with them.
probably need a large 150to200W UV under slow flow of ~ 200GPH and run maybe 2 diatom filter at 300GPH that filters down to 1micron. Use the UV in close loop fashion on the display tank and the diatom filters in close loop on the display tank as well
Good luck. I’d get General Cure as well so you treat flukes as well. Humblefish has a General Cure/metroplex regime. Works a treat. J
It happened to me too, the exact same thing. You need to let the tanks FALLOW for 11 weeks. Some ich strains stay longer. Also use nitrofurazone with copper to help the fish a bit
Never had any problems with grammas! They always have done great for me. You could have gotten it from new coral frags aswell. Many eggs can come in on frags and they aren’t easy to kill.
good luck mate, did you do a guide on the ai blades? which ones did you get? did they add much par?
I did a video about light and flow on this tank, but not about the Blades specifically. They do add a but of PAR but way less than the Red Seas which do the heavy lifting. I mainly have them for the colour plus a bit of extra coverage. I went for the Grows.
Now is possibly the best time to add most of the invertebrates you want, like that they quarantine in the main tank whilst no fish in there, they can also carry parasites even if it doesn’t affect them.
This happened to my Wife and Dad recently. Must be something going around.
Because of this ive purchased a Fluval evo 52 for use as a observation tank. All fish will go in it for 6 weeks before they go in the main display.
I also used to not QT my fish and then I got velvet and all my fish died. Now I QT EVERYTHING coral, invertebrates, fish. The fish go through the whole treatment, chloroquine phosphate, metroplex, prazipro, and fenbendazole. I'm making sure nothing gets in. Unfortunately, people who don't QT have to learn the hard way.
Fingers crossed for ya mate 🤞
Bloody royal grammar 😤 been there done that , I went fallow for 110 days as was away for the last 7 so tonight won’t do it any harm , lost some prized tangs , heart ache but managed to treat quite a few of the live stock 🙏🏼 I’ve qt’d every fish ever since , just finished doing a tank transfer on a kole tang along with a h202 dip .
Good luck, all the best fella , least Ryan didn’t give it too you 👀
Formalin took care of brook for me.
Alex, the reason why the fallow period is 72-77days is because some strains have been known to encyst up to that amount of time. Because copper only kills the free swiming stage of the parasite this means that if you treat for 30-40 days and then drop the copper concentration you run the risk of restarting the cycle all over and your fish will all get infected again. In fact, I am pretty sure that this is the reason why so many people say that they treated for copper and still the parasite seems to apear. The way to avoid that is to remove the fish once the QT is done and put them in a sterile tank for observation. It is the only way. If you do not do this you can see all effort going down the drain.
I had velvet in my tank. Tank has been fallow for 7 weeks now. Hopefully 3 more weeks till I add a fish in there
For what it's worth, I had ich in my tank 18 months ago
It was never a massive infection but it did kill a few fish
I plumbed a UV sterilizer and I've never had an outbreak since then, even with tangs being introduced (incl. powder blue)
Sorry about this. I know it’s the worst. I had a breakout in December. It looked like velvet but not sure. It knocked out my tang, butterfly and all my angelfish. I’m very lucky my tank was mostly wrasse, eels, and an engineer goby as they all have thick slime coats. A freshwater dip followed by two months in low copper saved them.
Mate I had white spot years ago in my old tank, I went fallow for about 3 months just to be sure.
Shame to hear this news. Good luck & fingers crossed.
You mentioned that you added a UV sterilizer afterwards. Do you normally run one as part of your setup but hadn't got around to it yet, or did you only add as a treatment method? I run one 24x7 with the hopes that it prevents parasites from exploding to large numbers. Curious what your usual method is. Thanks.
I used to but I stopped a few years ago. I'll be using this one going forward though - maybe 24/7, maybe just when I add new fish - a decision for later!
Yup, I'm done with risking that now, the 'brothers' both been hit! Thanks for sharing 👍
I would go for cp it will treat both diseases. But unlucky mate, had to happen eventually. Good luck 👍
That’s a bummer Alex, but even an experienced reefer like yourself that didn’t follow the rules and hey presto it will catch you out eventually.
Will you be able to do both treatments at the same time, if not then there must be a high percentage of even more losses, but nonetheless good luck with your treatments and eventual outcome.
I’ll keep my fingers crossed 🤞 and I’ll keep an eye out for updates on this devastating development.
Have you try freshwater dip
No - all the fish that made it are actually looking OK so copper alone should do the trick
Ok cool
Looks like oodinium to me :( hope you get it sorted for you and the fish !!
I'll be stocking a new saltwater tank in a couple of weeks; I think I heard Ryan say on your show that you should stock up on treatments so you have them at hand when needed. Do the treatments you are using have a long shelf-life? Good luck BTW, its gutting to lose fish especially if you have had them a while.
Do the people advising you recommend any medications (commonly needed) that you should have ready?
I'd guess mostly no but I don't know to be honest - Humble fish is probably the best place to look.
Humble.Fsh looks like a really good resource, Ta.
stock up on copper-safe or copper power. Copper medication doesn't expire unlike some other medications
Where did you get your Metroplex from, I'm in the same boat right now :(
Place called Desert Cart but mine still hasn't arrived...
Are Bristle Worms harmful in a saltwater reef tank?
Nope, I've never removed them - free cuc and one of the few that goes through the sandbed
@@ReefDork ok great to know!
Not forget an airstone in the quarentine tank. And wait 3 months. With me 2 months was not enough. Good luck👍🏻
Do you run a UV on your tank?
I didn't before but I do now
Royal gramma wiped my first tank as well
It’s horrible when something like this happens. Did you get your royal grammar from another tank owner or shop? I got 2 clowns from a friend and oh man, ich happened. All of my fish died… made a decision to stick to buying fish from stores as they won’t risk having ich and tend to copper treat their waters. So curious where you got the fish.
Got it from a shop that treats for various things so this just slipped through
@@ReefDork I swear I’ve seen a marine video of the states where someone used a “fish dip” solution and then put it in his tank. I forgot which video it was but wish we had something like that. Dip and clean the fish before going into the tank.
Whi have parasite in one tank I do not use the same equipment for service.
copper power is super safe ,only safe copper treatment
Not sure how it works with white spot but my life saver for sick fish, and a super quick but effective quarantine, is hydrogen peroxide baths. Have you considered trying that?
I've seen a lot about HP - it sounds great but there's a lot more info about copper and it's tried and trusted which I value highly.
I'm curious about H2O2 as well because of the added benefit of H2O2 being able to kill hair/bryopsis algae right out.
@@ReefDork try it if you get desperate and have a fish on the edge. It can give instant relief unlike copper
@@myrcflyer9999haven’t used it in the tank to kill algae but i have had a lot of success using it on sick fish and quarantining fish by giving them 30 min bucket baths
@@daniscool8 I’ve used 3percent h2o2 directly on Zoa, Goni frags that have hair algae or bryopsis. Pluck off as much as possible with tweezers. Just make sure the corals are retracted before using a pippette to apply on the algae and leave for about 3-5 mins. Rinse off with tank water and put the coral back in tank
Probably the worst part of the hobby this, happened to me early on & was velvet, everything was dead in 48 hours I was absolutely gutted 😞
Hope you can save the fish you have put into QT 🤞🏻
Did you talk to the LFS that sold you the royal gramma..?
No - I will tell them at some point, but it's not their fault.
@@ReefDork they don’t quarantine?
@@peterbws no shops do but this one does treat fish.
When ich broke out in my tank, I tried polyplabs medic.. did it work? No, I think it made it worse and eventually all of my fish died.
I then kept my tank fallow for 4 months and slightly increased temperature. Kept just corals and some clean up crew… and then battled an aiptasia problem with Nudibranchs as I had no fish etc
Tank has corals now and looks good, but man..I’m so nervous to add new fish now. I want to but don’t want to go through what I went through. It’s horrible seeing your fish go through hell in front of your eyes.
I've just ordered some berghias actually. Did they do the job in your tank?
@@ReefDork they do but not 100%. As my tank was fallow I wasn’t feeding. What I didn’t realise is that, amphipods were having a good time in my tank and they would eat the eggs of the nudi. I was advised to feed the tank some cheap reef food so the amphipods won’t eat the nudi eggs, but it’s a catch 22 situation. If you start feeding… the aiptasia likes it too and grows more. The nudis need time to breed and overpopulate. I can’t get a wrasse to eat the amphipods as they would devour the nudis like a 4 star meal. I had 7 nudis in my tank. It’s a Red Sea 170 so enough to clear my tank.
So my situation was…on one side rocks were cleaned by Nudibranchs, the other side isn’t, but I think it was due to my nudis unable to lay eggs and breed due to amphipods. I did keep a banded coral shrimp to eat any bristle worms and an emerald crap, internet said it was safe to keep them with nudis but I do wonder if they played a role.
Interestingly I spotted two nudis in my tank yesterday, they are nocturnal so not all are dead but aiptasia is still there and they are multiplying
My next plan is to try some true aiptasia eating peppermint shrimps and see what happens. In the future I will introduce a leopard wrasse, six line as that should stop the shrimps from coming out or being lunch during day time. These wrasses are best for pests and I love the way they look too. This hobby is a journey!
What a coincidence... i had a tomato clown and he was very active. Then a month later I bought a royal grama and it hid in the rocks the whole time. Then a week later ,my Tomato clown fot sick and died. Then a few days later the royal grama floated around almost dead. Could not save it either. I did not quarantine the grama and it bought the disease into my tank. I am on the same empty no fish mode waiting it out.
Yikes that stinks. You should consider doing dips in formalin during your water changes of the quarantine. I wear goggles, arm length gloves and a 3m formalin mask to decrease the risks while handling it.
Humblefish and Elliot from marine collectors + brs have great but slightly different methods.
Brook is horrid I had a wipe out a few years ago. By the time the treatment arrived it was too late.
I run ozone 24/7 (the room is very well ventilated) to keep my fish healthy.
Sucks bro. Keep your head up I love your channel.
I’m really sorry. If I recall Royal Gramma has not been a lucky fish for you. Hope you can get on top of this
Yeah, I lost 2 in the early days of my Fluval Evo...
@@ReefDork you were my Evo guide!
First off… I’m so sorry this is happening. I know the pain oh too well.
I don’t think that is Brooklynella or Ich… Here’s why I say that:
1. Brook looks more like a slime or coating on the fish.
2. Too many spots to be Ich.
My vote is Marine Velvet!
It can be a few weeks before it becomes noticeable, then a couple spots will pop up, then an explosion of spots on a fish or two… then everything is dead within the next two weeks.
Your fish were fat and happy, and probably living with Ich the whole time… since you don’t quarantine. Ich isn’t always a death sentence. Many fish live with it just fine, as long as they’re fat and happy.
Copper Power was a GREAT choice, as it’s chelated copper… and much easier on fish. I’ve had a hermit crab living in my QT tank for months at therapeutic levels of 2.5 (he came in on a clean up crew pack, and wasn’t reef safe… so to the QT he went).
I’ve heard double medicating is dangerous, and probably so with sick fish… But when I quarantine with Copper Power, after 30 days I do a 20% water change and add PraziPro. I dose that twice, about 3 days apart. I’ve never seen any ill effect and the Copper Power is still at 2.0, which is technically therapeutic levels. I’m not sure about doing it with other medications though.
Get the Hanna High Range Copper checker ASAP…
I think the minimum fallow period is 76 days. No harm in going a little extra though.
Humblefish is the right place to be reading! He’s a resource the hobby is lucky to have.
Hopefully you’ll rethink the quarantine now, and maybe update or delete some of those old videos! If any fish make it and you do the fallow period… you’ll be pretty much parasite free, and only one way to keep it that way.
About the only way to cure Brook, is formaldehyde (formalin). I still don’t think this is your problem though.
I forgot to add…
NeoNitro and NeoPhos work great to dose and keep your Nitrate and Phosphate levels where you want them during the fallow period.
Raise the temperature if no fish
So sad QT every fish playing Russian roulette if you don't Hopefully you get on top of it good luck
Yeah I no how u feel it's the same it's the same s..t side of the hobby me haveing problem in mine it's just one thing after next thinking just giveing it up to much money in this game
Do i spy a magnet cleaner mod ob your fish trap, the suckers are rubbish
Yep! I actually needed both the suckers and the magnet - my glass is 19mm so the magnet alone isn't strong enough whereas it used to be on my 15mm tank
@@ReefDork one advantage of a fully braced custom 6 footer is no need for such thick glass
🫂 Sendling big love, you've had a crap time!