If you trace and hold your pencil on Procreate and then just touch other finger on the screen it will lock in 15degrees angles so you can make it perfectly vertical
And also if you’re making shapes and put other finger on the screen you can make perfect circles (not elipses) and perfect squares, triangles etc, all with same sides and angles and etc
just a tip in using procreate you can do a layer that you don't need to erase the line you have created. Also before you export your image make sure you remove the background and use png so that when you save it, it appears transparent right away. That way you don't need the use of background eraser.
Hey there! I’m aware of this now. This video is super old. I have an updated version of this video where I walk you through the process of creating more realistic rings.
I cheated by making my brush way thicker for the ring outlines and then merging the layers together. Went over it with a white airbrush and under that did a dark grey airbrush to give it more depth. Thanks for this technique!
K does a great job for experts. For beginners on he other hand, all you see is her clicking here and there and you're wandering what was that she just clicked on and what is it used fo? Or how did she even get there? Sooo fast for beginners. Can anyone please help me find a step by step video? These videos are for experts that don't need step by step explanations. K does an awesome job, as she's a pro at this. Thank you K for great help on your videos. You are great!!! 🙏🥰💕
Love your video!! I AM SO FRUSTRATED by keynote though. I have the new ipad pro and the apple pencil 2nd generation. Every time I try to move an object (like I see you doing on the video) it instead reverts to drawing on the object. Is there a way to turn off the drawing feature while working on manipulating circles and such to create the rings? Please help. You are the absolute BEST video for explaining how to CREATE a digital planner. Everyone else is just showing how to utilize one. Thanks in advance for any advice you may have.
Go into the settings of your iPad (not in Keynote, the actual grey gear app that comes with the iPad). Scroll down to Keynote and adjust the settings there. I hated the fact that the pencil would always draw too, so I figured out how to change it in the settings. Hope this helps!
Hey I’m just getting into digital planning and I have and Apple Pencil yet whenever I place my pencil in keynotes it goes to drawing mode is there a way to or setting it change it to be like your? Great video!💜
Go into the Setting apps on your iPad. Scroll to Keynote. You'll be able to change it there. This setting isn't within the actual Keynote app. I hope this helps!
Hit the three dots in the top right corner, and click export. Choose the file type you want to export is as (I personally recommend images), then you can use the app Magic Eraser to give it a transparent background. Hope this helps!
@@KDigitalStudio Thanks - what is the magic eraser though? HELP lol - I just spent literally 2 hours making this and it looks like a 9 year old did it but I love it as my first attempt - but now that it is made and I saved it as an image I am not sure what to do next - so I am looking at the questions here. So basically, I figure out what magic eraser is and give it a transparent background and then do I just click to insert it on my digital planner I am making? Where will I find it in my digital planner?
Great video, how do you move the circle or any shape with the apple pencil? Using my new Ipad & every time I try to drag the circle.. some paint stuff appears?Ty
Hi, where can I find the metallic white thing (I don’t remember the name, it’s on 8:50)? I reaaally like it😍😍i’m doing the second option and it’s pretty helpful😊
So helpful! But I can’t seem to stop turning on the drawing feature. I can’t move anything with the Apple Pencil like your do. Do u have any suggestions?
This is a setting you actually have to change in the "Settings" app on your iPad. There should be a Keynote option in Settings for which you can think toggle through to turn off the drawing feature with the Apple Pencil.
KDigitalStudio Co I found it in the settings of the IPad, not in the settings of the app. On the Ipad settings you go to keynotes and there you can select the behavior of the pencil.
Stephanie Cramer I was having this same problem & in settings I’m in Keynote however it only gives me the option to Select & Scroll with Apple Pencil. Is that suppose to be on or off? Thank you in advance
REAL SEX TALK WITH DR RYLIE If you turn the select and scroll on, it will let you use the Apple Pencil to select and resize stuff in Keynote without it constantly turning on the drawing function.
Thank you! P.S. I am so sad because I didn't mean to have the background music on at all for the video -- only the intro. I find it distracting myself. Will definitely be more careful in future videos!
All your instructional videos are great, especially for a new digital planner here. Do you have a video that shows how to add a “corner” onto the planner? TIA
Make sure you are using a shape (not a line), and then decreasing its size to "look" like a line. FIll image should hopefully appear then :) let me know if you still need help!
@@KDigitalStudio Ooo I see, I was choosing the actual line instead of the square and making it look like a line. 😅😅 I’m dumb, my bad. Thank you so much!
Samara Nicholls Hi! Because I was working on a new project in Procreate, the white background was essentially “locked” once I started drawing on it and adding several layers to decorate my ring. Because of this, unchecking the white background would not have removed it :( you can avoid using Magic Eraser, however, to remove the white background if you begin my drawing on a transparent background and following the same steps as above. White backgrounds can only be unchecked if you are working with 1-2 layers, any more than that (like in my case) will not work.
I can’t erase the line after inserting my metallic on my ring. I noticed before you went and erased yours you couldn’t either, but edited out how to gain access to erase the ring. I’m stuck with the line through the ring
What iPad case are you using in this video? I checked the description but you only have a link to a keyboard case. I really like the look of this one so I would love to know where you got it.
First off love you video! So helpful! But is anyone else having trouble selecting and dragging with the pencil? I did just get the Apple Pencil 2 and an iPad Pro so I’m not sure if it’s just inexperience but I have messed with the settings and still can’t get the hang of it. Every time I try to select and drag I “draw”. If you could help me out I would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance!
Thank you :) Go into the setting of Keynote (three dots in righthand corner). Click Apple Pencil and make sure "select and scroll" is on. You just need to change the functions of the Apple Pencil in Keynote!
Hi, thanks for this video, I just want to know what is the proper size for GoodNotes , I tried A4 stander size and it is bigger than GoodNotes paper, please help me with that.
I normally use the "screen size" option in KeyNote when creating planners. When I create rings or stickers, I also use the screensize option in Procreate. I then crop both of the down. To me, this is easier than determining the perfect amount of draw space.
Compress the file! You can google "compress a file" and there are a number of safe websites where you can upload the file and it will condense the size. I haven't experienced any issues with its quality or use afterwards, but it may be possible.
When I place the circles at the ends of my curved line and then move them behind they don't look like metal clips going into paper. The line cuts off just before the circles and does not overlie them. I've tried it a couple of times with the same result. Is there a setting I need to change? Thanks.
Why not just make the original line that you build the ring around on its own layer and then just delete the layer when you’re done? You can also delete the background to give you the checkerboard background with no fill, by the way.
There has been an update for Keynote, but mine still currently works the same as the older version (just a few differences in the overall appearance and negligibly small changes). It can be pretty difficult sometimes to select and group -- sometimes it's finicky. I recommend using one finger (one one hand) to hold down one shape that you are trying to group and then tap with the other finger (on the other hand).
Hi, thank you so much for these videos! They’re really helping me out. Just wanted to ask, when you create the binders in keynote how do you then add it to your planner? I tried to save it as an image but then the white background is behind the ring binders so not very realistic. Thanks again!
I plan on filming an updated ring tutorial soon :) but: once you have all the rings, select them all, and group. Then copy and go into the Keynote file where your planner is and paste. Alternatively, export as a PDF and convert to PNG. I don't have my iPad in front of me right now, but I wanna say you might be able to export as PNG as well? Not sure on that one, but the other methods are definite things you can do!!
I plan on (hopefully) releasing more Android-friendly tutorials soon. Keynote is accessible to anyone for free online though to create these binder/planner rings. Since I don't use Android, my app recommendations are limited. But I've heard great things about using powerpoint to create a digital planner!
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Dont know if anyone has previously mentioned this, but that music is totally competing with your voice. Way too loud, and you dont need it . Aside from that looks like a good vid.
Select the layer you want the image over, click the ‘plus’ icon and insert image, select the new layer, click clipping mask, select the layer again & click merge down. More steps but less confusing when you get it. Procreate has sooo many features it’s hard to find the easiest way to do things lol. I only found this because I’m also a digital artist 😅
This video is sooo old. I am releasing an updated tutorial on this Wednesday at 11am EST. The new tutorial will cover how to make them even more realistic looking, will also cut the time and headache in half :) hope you'll check it out!
as beautiful as it seems it a total waste of time I kept my journal simple without ANY of this great video though I would totally do it i am a busy student :\
Keynote is free! If you are a PC user, you can use Keynote on your preferred Internet browser. Procreate is an artistic app that does cost, but Keynote is a great option too!
UPDATED DIGITAL PLANNER RING TUTORIAL 🤩 Watch it here: ruclips.net/video/4xRiQCsXjv4/видео.html
I’m just going back and forth with RUclips then key note🤣 but it worked!!!
I have the video up on my phone and then my iPad has procreate up 😂😂😂
same
Can’t you have the RUclips playing while on keynote?
I tried digital bullet journeling recently and fell in love with your tutorials, awesome videos
Thank you. I’ve been watching your videos all night and learned so much.
It took me like 2 hours but I dit it thank you so much for sharing this.
I can’t believe this is where it showed the shape rotation! Thank you!
Haha I have little pearls everywhere! You're very welcome.
If you trace and hold your pencil on Procreate and then just touch other finger on the screen it will lock in 15degrees angles so you can make it perfectly vertical
And also if you’re making shapes and put other finger on the screen you can make perfect circles (not elipses) and perfect squares, triangles etc, all with same sides and angles and etc
You have a great knack for teaching! Your subscriber count should skyrocket soon.
Artie Guerrero Photography thank you for your kind words! We hope to gain more subscribers over time to build a supportive community!
just a tip in using procreate you can do a layer that you don't need to erase the line you have created. Also before you export your image make sure you remove the background and use png so that when you save it, it appears transparent right away. That way you don't need the use of background eraser.
Hey there! I’m aware of this now. This video is super old. I have an updated version of this video where I walk you through the process of creating more realistic rings.
@@KDigitalStudio I’d love to see the new video thanks
You are so nice for sharing this with us omg i been learning so much for you thank you so much ❤️
You are so welcome! 💓 I love sharing with others, so I'm glad it's been helpful to a lot of people :)
I cheated by making my brush way thicker for the ring outlines and then merging the layers together. Went over it with a white airbrush and under that did a dark grey airbrush to give it more depth. Thanks for this technique!
@KDigitalStudio do you sell ring stamps for your binder rings?
Not currently! But it is certainly something I can explore in the future
Great video!! Thanks for sharing, I love that I can make my own and save some money. Keep teaching, you're great at it!
You are so welcome!
Great video. Very easy to learn. Ive been falling in love with procreate
You are so very welcome!
Thanks so much for this video. I’m just starting and this was very easy to follow! Have a great day!
I'm glad it was! Thank you for your kind words
Just found your channel, going through all the videos. Love it ❤️
Another great tutorial! Thanks so much! :) Love the positive vibes you give off.
Thank you! Positivity is key! :)
K does a great job for experts. For beginners on he other hand, all you see is her clicking here and there and you're wandering what was that she just clicked on and what is it used fo? Or how did she even get there? Sooo fast for beginners. Can anyone please help me find a step by step video? These videos are for experts that don't need step by step explanations. K does an awesome job, as she's a pro at this. Thank you K for great help on your videos. You are great!!! 🙏🥰💕
Great video. Super helpful . Could you make a tutorial just like this video on notebook covers?
Thank you for your feedback! I am happy to consider tutorial and video requests! What would you like to see in a video about notebook covers?
Thank you so much!
this video really helps me a lot!!! Love u!!
wow.... great video. Thanks for showing us how to do it.
You are so very welcome!
Awesome tutorial! Thank you!!
I love you so much video for you.
Thanks very helpful, like how u explain it
Aww man I don’t have procreate.. I was hoping you did the outside rings in keynote too
Love your video!! I AM SO FRUSTRATED by keynote though. I have the new ipad pro and the apple pencil 2nd generation. Every time I try to move an object (like I see you doing on the video) it instead reverts to drawing on the object. Is there a way to turn off the drawing feature while working on manipulating circles and such to create the rings? Please help. You are the absolute BEST video for explaining how to CREATE a digital planner. Everyone else is just showing how to utilize one. Thanks in advance for any advice you may have.
Shelley Clifford I have that same issue! If you find out let me know!
Go into the settings of your iPad (not in Keynote, the actual grey gear app that comes with the iPad). Scroll down to Keynote and adjust the settings there. I hated the fact that the pencil would always draw too, so I figured out how to change it in the settings. Hope this helps!
@@KDigitalStudio thank you!
THANK YOU!!! :)
@@KDigitalStudio thank You! 😊
how do you save the rings on keynote with a transparent background?
You can touch out of paper area to select all copy and group them
how do we export the ring we make on keynote so we can upload them into the planner we create? or procreate
I had the same question!
How can I export the ring on keynote so I can upload them into the planner?
BTW thanks for this video I already subscribed😀
Same question
I just figured out a way
You can group them then copy a d paste onto your presentation
@@mrsalileonor thanks for sharing!
how do you make cover rings with keynotes?
Love this video
Hey I’m just getting into digital planning and I have and Apple Pencil yet whenever I place my pencil in keynotes it goes to drawing mode is there a way to or setting it change it to be like your? Great video!💜
Go into the Setting apps on your iPad. Scroll to Keynote. You'll be able to change it there. This setting isn't within the actual Keynote app. I hope this helps!
KDigitalStudio Co I am unable to find this setting? Where are you seeing this setting?
Ethereal X same
rylin kuhnel I figured it out. The setting is within the Keynotes app not the settings app.
Can you do a video on how to make basic digital planner pages
How do you make the rings you made in procreate in keynote? Great videos!! Subscribed!
Thanks for sharing.
How do I save the one I made on keynote as an image?
Hit the three dots in the top right corner, and click export. Choose the file type you want to export is as (I personally recommend images), then you can use the app Magic Eraser to give it a transparent background. Hope this helps!
I was just about to ask this question.
@@KDigitalStudio Thanks - what is the magic eraser though? HELP lol - I just spent literally 2 hours making this and it looks like a 9 year old did it but I love it as my first attempt - but now that it is made and I saved it as an image I am not sure what to do next - so I am looking at the questions here. So basically, I figure out what magic eraser is and give it a transparent background and then do I just click to insert it on my digital planner I am making? Where will I find it in my digital planner?
Great video, how do you move the circle or any shape with the apple pencil? Using my new Ipad & every time I try to drag the circle.. some paint stuff appears?Ty
Read through some comments finally fixed it😉
Hi, where can I find the metallic white thing (I don’t remember the name, it’s on 8:50)? I reaaally like it😍😍i’m doing the second option and it’s pretty helpful😊
Awesome video. I can’t get past the moving the hole around though. When I try my pencil wants to leave a mark. Not sure what I’m doing wrong.
Anything for an Android or Windows device (smartphone, tablet, laptop)?
Search procreate on your device -- the app store should list alternatives :) An alternative for Keynote : Microsoft Powerpoint, Google Slides
@@KDigitalStudio I appreciate the suggestion, no luck though on a procreate alternative. I'll probably go with MS PowerPoint or Google Slides.
So helpful! But I can’t seem to stop turning on the drawing feature. I can’t move anything with the Apple Pencil like your do. Do u have any suggestions?
This is a setting you actually have to change in the "Settings" app on your iPad. There should be a Keynote option in Settings for which you can think toggle through to turn off the drawing feature with the Apple Pencil.
KDigitalStudio Co I found it in the settings of the IPad, not in the settings of the app. On the Ipad settings you go to keynotes and there you can select the behavior of the pencil.
KDigitalStudio Co oh perfect! That makes a lot of sense. Thank you so much
Stephanie Cramer I was having this same problem & in settings I’m in Keynote however it only gives me the option to Select & Scroll with Apple Pencil. Is that suppose to be on or off? Thank you in advance
REAL SEX TALK WITH DR RYLIE If you turn the select and scroll on, it will let you use the Apple Pencil to select and resize stuff in Keynote without it constantly turning on the drawing function.
Thank you!!!
You are very welcome!
Thankssss
Love your video
the background music is to loud
Thank you! P.S. I am so sad because I didn't mean to have the background music on at all for the video -- only the intro. I find it distracting myself. Will definitely be more careful in future videos!
Maybe some soft/low-fi music might be nice in the background
Can I just buy the rings somewhere? This is so much work lol
Carissa Hudman i agree. If i made these all the time it would be easy but i just one them for one planner lol
@@hauntinglyhailey nope. there should never be background sounds when speaking.
All your instructional videos are great, especially for a new digital planner here. Do you have a video that shows how to add a “corner” onto the planner? TIA
Thanks, I appreciate that! Can you clarify what you mean by "corner"?
KDigitalStudio Like a silver or gold corner protector on a paper planner. (Not sure if that helps)
What I would do is create each part of the ring on a separate layer.
I cannot fill in the line with an image!! When I click “Style” all it shows is “Present” & “Color.” It doesn’t show “Image” as an option.
Make sure you are using a shape (not a line), and then decreasing its size to "look" like a line. FIll image should hopefully appear then :) let me know if you still need help!
@@KDigitalStudio Ooo I see, I was choosing the actual line instead of the square and making it look like a line. 😅😅 I’m dumb, my bad.
Thank you so much!
I’m the updated version of keynote there is a rotation feature under arrange
Yep, I offer an updated tutorial :) but I’ll be sure to update one for Keynote
Having trouble moving the black dots with the apple pencils or do I move it? Thanks for the video!
Go into the settings of the Apple Pencil in the Keynote app and make sure “select and scroll” is toggled on!
@@KDigitalStudio thank you! Ill give it a go later. Im gonna be making yearly planners non stop thanks to your videos! Awesome!
If you uncheck the backroad layer and save it as a png you shouldn’t have to go to any other app
Samara Nicholls Hi! Because I was working on a new project in Procreate, the white background was essentially “locked” once I started drawing on it and adding several layers to decorate my ring. Because of this, unchecking the white background would not have removed it :( you can avoid using Magic Eraser, however, to remove the white background if you begin my drawing on a transparent background and following the same steps as above. White backgrounds can only be unchecked if you are working with 1-2 layers, any more than that (like in my case) will not work.
I can’t erase the line after inserting my metallic on my ring. I noticed before you went and erased yours you couldn’t either, but edited out how to gain access to erase the ring. I’m stuck with the line through the ring
What iPad case are you using in this video? I checked the description but you only have a link to a keyboard case. I really like the look of this one so I would love to know where you got it.
I'll try to edit the description and link it!
Can you put those rings in your shop pleasesss😬.... pretty please
First off love you video! So helpful! But is anyone else having trouble selecting and dragging with the pencil? I did just get the Apple Pencil 2 and an iPad Pro so I’m not sure if it’s just inexperience but I have messed with the settings and still can’t get the hang of it. Every time I try to select and drag I “draw”. If you could help me out I would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance!
Thank you :) Go into the setting of Keynote (three dots in righthand corner). Click Apple Pencil and make sure "select and scroll" is on. You just need to change the functions of the Apple Pencil in Keynote!
@@KDigitalStudio omg thank you so much! So simple but so helpful!
How do I save the cluster of rings created in keynotes as one so I don’t have to keep copying and pasting when I need them?
Great video, girlfriend👍🏼
Thank you! 🤗
Very interesting. How did you import the metallic background from the web intro keynote?
She just saved them into her camera roll and used the rounded corner box where you can selected an image as a fill! Hope it helps!
Wait maybe I missed something but how do you put the rings from key notes into good notes as a sticker ??
Where did you get the metallic template from? I'm searching for something like that 😓
Can it be done without procreate?
Hi, thanks for this video, I just want to know what is the proper size for GoodNotes , I tried A4 stander size and it is bigger than GoodNotes paper, please help me with that.
I normally use the "screen size" option in KeyNote when creating planners. When I create rings or stickers, I also use the screensize option in Procreate. I then crop both of the down. To me, this is easier than determining the perfect amount of draw space.
every time I try to move the circle, my iPad pencil draws instead of moves - am I missing something?
If your planner is too large to upload in Etsy, what do you recommend? The planner is 228.1 MB.
Compress the file! You can google "compress a file" and there are a number of safe websites where you can upload the file and it will condense the size. I haven't experienced any issues with its quality or use afterwards, but it may be possible.
When I place the circles at the ends of my curved line and then move them behind they don't look like metal clips going into paper. The line cuts off just before the circles and does not overlie them. I've tried it a couple of times with the same result. Is there a setting I need to change? Thanks.
You probably have the black circle over layering the circles, so you have to move them down. I hope that was kinda clear😅
can you make an updated video of the rings hun?
yes!
Why not just make the original line that you build the ring around on its own layer and then just delete the layer when you’re done? You can also delete the background to give you the checkerboard background with no fill, by the way.
YOUR KEYNOTE MUST BE A DIFFERENT VERISON FROM THE ONE I'M USING, BECAUSE I AM FOLLOW YOUR STEPS FOR SELECT AND GROUP.. IT WANT WORK FOR ME.
There has been an update for Keynote, but mine still currently works the same as the older version (just a few differences in the overall appearance and negligibly small changes). It can be pretty difficult sometimes to select and group -- sometimes it's finicky. I recommend using one finger (one one hand) to hold down one shape that you are trying to group and then tap with the other finger (on the other hand).
8:04
Hi, thank you so much for these videos! They’re really helping me out. Just wanted to ask, when you create the binders in keynote how do you then add it to your planner? I tried to save it as an image but then the white background is behind the ring binders so not very realistic. Thanks again!
I plan on filming an updated ring tutorial soon :) but: once you have all the rings, select them all, and group. Then copy and go into the Keynote file where your planner is and paste. Alternatively, export as a PDF and convert to PNG. I don't have my iPad in front of me right now, but I wanna say you might be able to export as PNG as well? Not sure on that one, but the other methods are definite things you can do!!
How do I stop my pencil from writing and use it as an editing tool?!
Go into the Apple Pencil settings in Keynote :)
If you want a transparent background straight from procreate just turn of the background in layers and save the image💕
I tried that and it still leaves a white box around my ring. Any suggestions?
Thanks for this, the background music is very distracting though.
Sorry about that. I have a much updated and recent version of this video on the channel since this one is over a year old :)
Do you know a free app like Procreate !!!
Can i sell these digital planners on Etsy?
3:04 I can’t move the circle ⭕️ around :(
Do you know how to create a digital planner on ANDROID? App names? Thank you so much!
I plan on (hopefully) releasing more Android-friendly tutorials soon. Keynote is accessible to anyone for free online though to create these binder/planner rings. Since I don't use Android, my app recommendations are limited. But I've heard great things about using powerpoint to create a digital planner!
Hi everyone!! PLEASE don't forget to subscribe so you can see MORE of the videos I film for you all. Thank you so much for all your support! It really does mean a lot to me ❤️
I can’t get it to do the transparent background…. Anyone else have that problem and find a solution?
It’s a current bug with iOS15 update. All we can do is report & wait. Save and access from Files as a workaround for now.
@@KDigitalStudio Ok, thanks for the reply! Been making my planner and it's turning out great so thank you!
I can’t do this I can’t ! My keynote is not working same as yours
I will go buy notebook better than this headache
Do u sell your digital rings
Dont know if anyone has previously mentioned this, but that music is totally competing with your voice. Way too loud, and you dont need it . Aside from that looks like a good vid.
Yep, this is feedback we've received before. I'll take it into account when filming future videos. Thanks for the feedback!
You didn’t tell us how to save it with no background 😩
Can you sell these rings in Etsy?
I have Happy Planner inspired rings currently in my shop, but I also plan on listing metallic rings soon.
You lost me when it came time to add layers and copying and paste. 😭
An updated version of this tutorial will hit my channel soon, I promise :)
Select the layer you want the image over,
click the ‘plus’ icon and insert image,
select the new layer,
click clipping mask,
select the layer again & click merge down.
More steps but less confusing when you get it. Procreate has sooo many features it’s hard to find the easiest way to do things lol. I only found this because I’m also a digital artist 😅
Slow down so you don't have to say oops so much.
pound sign, not hashtag :(
Lastly....it's Voila....with a V. :D :D
This video is sooo old. I am releasing an updated tutorial on this Wednesday at 11am EST. The new tutorial will cover how to make them even more realistic looking, will also cut the time and headache in half :) hope you'll check it out!
This actually isnt actually as easy too do as she is making it seem
I agree 😭
as beautiful as it seems it a total waste of time I kept my journal simple without ANY of this great video though I would totally do it i am a busy student :\
Pleseeee use free apps
Keynote is free! If you are a PC user, you can use Keynote on your preferred Internet browser. Procreate is an artistic app that does cost, but Keynote is a great option too!
Couldn’t watch after two minutes due to the music. You don’t need music on a video like this.
How do I save the rings as an image in Keynote?
I plan on releasing an updated tutorial super soon! But for now, you can change the background to "transparent" in Keynote and export as an image.
I've been wondering the same too