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  • @77Chester77
    @77Chester77 Год назад +357

    It never came to my mind that a div.equation could have a polynomial AND an exponential AND a trigonomic solution. Cool video

    • @yahhav345
      @yahhav345 11 месяцев назад +5

      That's when we're lucky.... There are always those annoying non elementary functions that surface from the most innocent equations

    • @andrewscott9919
      @andrewscott9919 5 месяцев назад

      @@yahhav345
      Also note that the equation is nonlinear

    • @moshadj
      @moshadj 5 месяцев назад

      Finite vs infinite polynomials

    • @darkfool2000
      @darkfool2000 3 месяца назад

      I mean, isn't that already possible in normal linear differential equations? All you need is Eigenvalues of 0,1,i etc. and maybe repeat them a few times if you want. The simplest example I can think of is y^''''-y^'''-y^''+y^'=0, which unless I've screwed up should have basis functions of X, Sin(x), Cos(x), and Exp(X)

    • @beez8022
      @beez8022 5 дней назад +2

      I mean, trig functions are just exponential functions in a complex sort-of way

  • @RizkyMaulanaNugraha
    @RizkyMaulanaNugraha Год назад +36

    11:56 probably meant to divide by e^{2kx} so that the exponential factor is out of equation.

  • @TheLowstef
    @TheLowstef Год назад +127

    Production value improving, little basic mistakes on the blackboard remain.
    I approve!!! 😂

  • @richardfarrer5616
    @richardfarrer5616 Год назад +278

    Should be dividing by e^(2kx) in the second case

    • @byronwatkins2565
      @byronwatkins2565 Год назад +23

      He did; he simply omitted the 2 when he wrote the reciprocal.

    • @elsurexiste
      @elsurexiste Год назад +44

      @@byronwatkins2565 More like forgot, but it's a minor mistake, true.

    • @byronwatkins2565
      @byronwatkins2565 Год назад +12

      @@elsurexiste The important part is that he recovered from it.

    • @MrMctastics
      @MrMctastics Год назад +17

      @@byronwatkins2565 I'll leave dividing by the second e^kx as a hw exercise

    • @ChadMcCall42
      @ChadMcCall42 Год назад +14

      Thank you! I knew I was missing something in his solution. I'm glad it was a mistake on his part lol Even if it does wash out in the end.

  • @The1RandomFool
    @The1RandomFool Год назад +222

    The trigonometric case is actually included in the exponential case if k is allowed to be imaginary, such as k = b*i. You would take the real and imaginary parts to get both real trigonometric solutions.

    • @iabervon
      @iabervon Год назад +19

      This one is a bit weird because the DE isn't linear, so you can't just separate a solution into a sum of real and imaginary parts and have each one work. I think you need to solve the two exponentials case such that the cross term on the right is 0, and find where that cancels out the imaginary parts.

    • @The1RandomFool
      @The1RandomFool Год назад +5

      @@iabervon It does work out because it's valid for all k, even if imaginary. If you substitute the exponential form into the differential equation the real part and imaginary parts of the equation must also be equal. You can then take the real and imaginary parts as separate equations. The LHS of each is f(2x), which is trivial to solve for f(x). The RHS is irrelevant as the work was already done when finding the solution to the exponential form. I also did the work from the entirely real approach afterwards and the results are the same.

    • @carstenmeyer7786
      @carstenmeyer7786 Год назад +10

      @@iabervon Superposition does not work, you're right, but any solution
      *1/k^3 * e^{k*x}, k ∈ ℂ*
      can still be written in terms of *"sin(..) + i cos(..)",* using "Euler's Formula". You just cannot split real- and imaginary part to generate new solutions, since the differential equation is non-linear.

    • @somedude1666
      @somedude1666 Год назад

      God damn i just post my comment observing the same thing and then right afterwards I see this lol.

    • @indnwkybrd
      @indnwkybrd Год назад +4

      @@carstenmeyer7786 Yeah, this is right. You can set e.g. k=bi to get f(x) = i/b^3 * exp(ibx) as a particular solution, which you can then express as f(x) = -sin(bx)/b^3 + i cos(bx)/b^3 by way of Euler's formula... but this is only a "trigonometric solution" in the sense that "it has sine and cosine in it"; really it's still the same underlying exponential solution. It doesn't work to just take the real & imaginary parts as separate solutions. You would have f(2x) = -sin(2bx)/b^3, f'(x) = -cos(bx)/b^2, and f''(x) = sin(bx)/b; multiply the latter two & get f'(x)f''(x) = -sin(bx)cos(bx)/b^3 = -sin(2bx)/(2b^3) ≠ -sin(2bx)/b^3.

  • @indnwkybrd
    @indnwkybrd Год назад +29

    Trigonometric solution: let f(x) = a sin(bx + c). (If the solution ends up being a cosine, then we will just have c = -π/2 so that's covered. Also that's a-times-sin, not asin i.e. arcsin.)
    Then f(2x) = a sin(2bx + c), f'(x) = ab cos(bx + c), and f''(x) = -ab² sin(bx + c).
    Multiplying the two derivatives, f'(x)f''(x) = -a²b³ sin(bx + c) cos(bx + c).
    Apply the double-angle formula for sine, i.e. sin(2x) = 2sin(x)cos(x), to the product to convert it to f'(x)f''(x) = -a² b³ sin(2bx + 2c) / 2.
    So now we must choose the parameters a, b, c so that a sin(2bx + c) = -a² b³ sin(2bx + 2c) / 2.
    Inside the argument of sin(), we have c = 2c -> c = 0.
    From the amplitude, we have a = -a² b³ / 2 which can be rearranged to a = -2/b³. This requires dividing by a and b, but we can safely assume a ≠ 0 and b ≠ 0, since either a = 0 OR b = 0 just leads to f(x) = 0 anyway.
    Thus, any function of the form: *f(x) = -2sin(kx)/k³* will also satisfy the original equation!

    • @reubenmanzo2054
      @reubenmanzo2054 Год назад

      What if the trigonometric solution is tan?

    • @davesanchez3495
      @davesanchez3495 3 месяца назад

      This makes me feel stupid as hell, I only spotted the case where k=1 😅

  • @kevinmartin7760
    @kevinmartin7760 Год назад +109

    In the polynomial case, a=0 is valid, and results in f(x)=0, which is a correct solution. It appears to violate the n=3 finding, but this is based on deg(f'(x)) = deg(f(x))-1 which is not true if deg(f(x)) is zero. The correct value is deg(f'(x))=max(0, deg(f(x))-1) and if you plug this into the degree analysis of the original equation you also get the solution n=0.

    • @landsgevaer
      @landsgevaer Год назад +3

      Nice. And the power series corresponds with n=oo, which is also a solution, kind of.

    • @khoozu7802
      @khoozu7802 Год назад +1

      Hmmm.... do u know degree of non-zero constant polynomial is 0 while degree of zero polynomial is not defined?

    • @coc235
      @coc235 Год назад +9

      @@khoozu7802 The degree of zero polynomial is usually defined as negative infinity, to satisfy the product rule (deg(p*q)=deg p+deg q)

    • @khoozu7802
      @khoozu7802 Год назад +1

      @@coc235that's right, not a real number

    • @giacomosimongini5452
      @giacomosimongini5452 Год назад

      But is f(x)=0 a polynomial or an exponential result?

  • @masonholcombe3327
    @masonholcombe3327 Год назад +4

    I'd love to see more content on more difficult subjects such as your research! Great vid!

  • @NoName-ip4tt
    @NoName-ip4tt Год назад +9

    This is my first time to see a differential equation solution without integration. Hats off!

    • @radadadadee
      @radadadadee 17 дней назад

      you must be new around here

  • @bazboy24
    @bazboy24 Год назад +6

    Some years ago I did A Level maths so I love watching your videos since watching your videos my math skills have dramatically improved and I can understand maths at a much higher level than before I love your videos

  • @renscience
    @renscience Год назад +1

    Michael Penn is fantastic. Love watching

  • @trelligan42
    @trelligan42 Год назад +21

    I like your transitions. #FeedTheAlgorithm

  • @luigiquitadamo1990
    @luigiquitadamo1990 Год назад +2

    Perfect and clear explanation,also an interesting d.e.;really an excellent Teacher,Thank you.

  • @zsoltnagy5654
    @zsoltnagy5654 Год назад +18

    Consider f(x)=A·cos(αx)+B·sin(βx)+C with A,B,C,α,β∈ℝ for any x∈ℝ.
    Then f(2x)=A·cos(2αx)+B·sin(2βx)+C
    =A·(cos²(αx)-sin²(αx))+2B·cos(βx)sin(βx)+C
    and f'(x)f''(x)=(-αA·sin(αx)+βB·cos(βx))(-α²A·cos(αx)-β²B·sin(βx))
    =(-αA·sin(αx)+βB·cos(βx))(-α²A·cos(αx)-β²B·sin(βx))
    =α³A²·sin(αx)cos(αx)-β³B²·cos(βx)sin(βx)+αAβ²B·sin(αx)sin(βx)-α²AβB·cos(αx)cos(βx) for any x∈ℝ.
    If f(2x)=f'(x)f''(x) and A=C=0 and B≠0, then
    2B·cos(βx)sin(βx)=-β³B²·cos(βx)sin(βx)
    ⇒ 2B=-β³B² ⇒ B=-2/β³
    ⇒ *f(x)=-2/β³·sin(βx) with β∈ℝ\{0} for any x∈ℝ.*
    If f(2x)=f'(x)f''(x) and B=0 and C=A≠0, then
    A·(cos²(αx)-sin²(αx))+A=α³A²·sin(αx)cos(αx)
    ⇒ 2=α³A·tan(αx)
    ⇒ *f(x)=A·(cos(αx)+1) with A,α∈ℝ\{0} for x=arctan(2/(α³A))/α.*

    • @egoreremeev9969
      @egoreremeev9969 Год назад +1

      the first one is very similar to the one we got with exponents, but the next one is not valid because it's only for one suitable x. Or otherwise it's not trigonometric because frequency is dependent on x. And even if it was you would need to take that into account when differentiating

    • @khoozu7802
      @khoozu7802 Год назад

      I don't know how u get 2=a^3Atan(ax) but I think u should separate it to two conditions, first is
      a=b and second is a=/=b, then comparing the coefficient of each terms.

    • @zsoltnagy5654
      @zsoltnagy5654 Год назад

      @@khoozu7802 _"I don't know how u get 2=a^3Atan(ax)..."_
      A·(cos²(αx)-sin²(αx))+A=α³A²·sin(αx)cos(αx)
      *⇒ 2cos²(αx)=α³A·sin(αx)cos(αx) with /A, because A≠0 and with 1-sin²(αx)=cos²(αx)*
      ⇒ 2=α³A·tan(αx) *with /cos(αx) with the assumption of cos(αx)≠0 and with sin(αx)/cos(αx)*
      There you go.
      _"I think u should separate it to two conditions, first is a=b and second is a=/=b, then comparing the coefficient of each terms."_
      If you think so, then you can do that so for yourself. Let me know, how it went.

    • @khoozu7802
      @khoozu7802 Год назад

      @@zsoltnagy5654 I got the same solutions with Colby for fun, u might have a view with his solutions where u can find in his comment.

    • @khoozu7802
      @khoozu7802 Год назад

      @@zsoltnagy5654 I know there is something wrong with ur solution because to find the function f(x) for all x, we are gonna to use comparing the coefficient of each term , we are not solving for x=?

  • @MisterPenguin42
    @MisterPenguin42 Год назад

    Haven't watched a video since 2021; oh my goodness, you've poured a lot into this!! I love your videos sir, thank you for being awesome

  • @GandalfTheWise0002
    @GandalfTheWise0002 Год назад +19

    Interestingly, "pairs" of exponential functions (+/-k) can be combined to give f(x) = 2/k^3 Sinh(k x). Or simply using f(x)=a Sinh[kx] as in the video works to get this as well.

    • @uberless1
      @uberless1 Год назад

      I took an integrable systems class as part of my MS work, and whole families of problems had solutions related to sech(x). I think these functions are often overlooked.

    • @VideoFusco
      @VideoFusco Год назад +1

      This equation is not linear, so you can't get a new solution by summing two different solutions.

    • @GandalfTheWise0002
      @GandalfTheWise0002 Год назад +3

      @@VideoFusco I agree. Two arbitrary solutions of a nonlinear equation cannot be combined to get another solution. However, this is a special case that happens to work where 2 particular solutions out of an infinite set of solutions happen to combine to 1 particular solution out of another infinite set of solutions.

  • @gerberzavala6992
    @gerberzavala6992 Год назад +2

    Wonderful video. I don't know a lot of english (i'm from latam), but I could understand this video. Thanks for the knowledge.

  • @qing6045
    @qing6045 Год назад +9

    I like the colors of the chalks you are using. They are brilliant.

  • @donmoore7785
    @donmoore7785 Год назад +7

    This is very cool. Something I have never been exposed to. The "degree operator" itself was a new concept. Never needed it before.

  • @NoNTr1v1aL
    @NoNTr1v1aL Год назад +2

    That's a cool equation you got there 🥶

  • @fatbudyn
    @fatbudyn Год назад +1

    Great video

  • @InverseTachyonPulse
    @InverseTachyonPulse 5 месяцев назад

    11:47 I've known about trivial solutions for a very long time, but "boring solution" is a much better name 😆

  • @goodplacetostop2973
    @goodplacetostop2973 Год назад +8

    20:49

  • @amirfallahzadeh5099
    @amirfallahzadeh5099 Год назад

    Fantastic!!

  • @JCisHere778
    @JCisHere778 Год назад +25

    The equation seems like something one could apply (generalize) classical lie-group theory to. It would certainly be neat to see what kind of symmetries (I guess an infinite parameter group) the equation admits and how these lead to the infinite set of solutions.

    • @JCisHere778
      @JCisHere778 Год назад +2

      Interestingly, the determining equation turns out to be a normal PDE. However, the equation does not seem to admit any Lie-Point symmetries. Maybe/ Probably there are higher-order Lie-Bäcklund Symmetries that give rise to the family of solutions. But checking that by hand is no fun xD

  • @gunthertoastbrot3738
    @gunthertoastbrot3738 Год назад +4

    The green at 12:00 should say 1/e^(2kx)

  • @elliotsmith9812
    @elliotsmith9812 Год назад +1

    Well that was interesting. Also elegant.

  • @michaelbaum6796
    @michaelbaum6796 Год назад

    Interested video👍

  • @worldnotworld
    @worldnotworld Год назад +1

    Math is truly one of the world's greatest spectator sports.

  • @rainerzufall42
    @rainerzufall42 8 месяцев назад +2

    For the exponential solution, the result is correct, but you divided by e^(2kx), not by e^(kx). It eliminates all expontial terms though... (a typical Michael Penn mistake)

  • @larspos8264
    @larspos8264 Год назад +53

    The derivative does not always decrease the decree, whitvh is (only) the case for the zeropolynomial. This makes f(x)=0 another valid polynomial solution

    • @Megumin_Random
      @Megumin_Random Год назад +10

      At 11:50, he acknowledges the 0 solution, but is ignoring it for being trivial.

    • @plushrei5926
      @plushrei5926 Год назад +17

      He did name the f(x)=0 solution tho

    • @leedanilek5191
      @leedanilek5191 Год назад

      derivative keeps same degree for any constant polynomial. still only matters if f'' is 0, which means f(2x)=0 so the only solution is the trivial one. sorry, pedantic math brain

    • @larspos8264
      @larspos8264 Год назад

      @@leedanilek5191 some people say the zeropolynomial has degree -infinity or somthing similar

  • @spudhead169
    @spudhead169 Год назад +6

    Most of your stuff is too high level for me, but Imma keep watching and watching until it isn't.

  • @abhijithcpreej
    @abhijithcpreej Год назад +1

    Is it only me having such a hard time with the chalk noises. I'm so tempted to throw my phone across the room.

  • @mixjzp4357
    @mixjzp4357 Год назад

    Idk what to say, it was a nice video

  • @federicofallucca1952
    @federicofallucca1952 Год назад +2

    -2sin(x) is a trivial trigonometric solution 😊

  • @mcpecommander5327
    @mcpecommander5327 4 месяца назад

    “But we know what the derivative does to the degree: it decreases it by exactly one” was repeated twice

  • @user-rs9bq6po5y
    @user-rs9bq6po5y 10 месяцев назад

    better colors, popup fact also felt nice, connection slids can be improved. loved as allways :) 10q

  • @weeblol4050
    @weeblol4050 5 месяцев назад

    14:00 Oh Frobenius you were here all along, my guiding moonlight

  • @IterativeTheoryRocks
    @IterativeTheoryRocks Год назад

    Marvellous!

  • @guigazalu
    @guigazalu Год назад

    Now, it seems tempting trying to substitute the a_n by x^n, and explore the families of polynomials and it's roots!

  • @GeoffryGifari
    @GeoffryGifari Год назад +3

    hmmm i was thinking... if differential equations exist and *functional* differential equations exist, is there a way to map them into each other? maybe knowing about one can help us with the other

  • @Anonymous-zp4hb
    @Anonymous-zp4hb 11 месяцев назад

    yay. I got the 3 basic solutions explored in the video. proud.

  • @mobatyoutube
    @mobatyoutube Год назад +2

    @11:28 Are you actually multiplying by 1/exp(2kx)?

  • @landsgevaer
    @landsgevaer Год назад +16

    At x=0 we get
    f(0)=f'(0)f''(0) -> f''(0)=f(0)/f'(0)
    If f'(0) is not zero, then this defines f''(0).
    Taking the derivative of f(2x)=f'(x)f''(x) at x=0 we get
    2f'(0)=f''(0)f''(0)+f'(0)f'''(0) -> f'''(0)=2-f''²(0)/f'(0)
    If f'(0) is not zero, then this defines f'''(0).
    Thus we may repeat, defining all higher derivatives at x=0, except for perhaps a family of cases where a 0/0 might throw a spanner in the works, but a cursory look suggests that that just covers the case f(x)=0 where all derivatives are zero, which is a solution.
    This leads me to think that if f(0) and f'(0) are known, then generally all derivatives and thus the function itself is known (assuming it to be differentiable arbitrarily often, i.e. "well-behaved").
    Exceptions may be some solutions that do not have x=0 in their domain.
    For example, say f(0)=1 and f'(0)=-1, then from the above it follows that f''(0)=-1, f'''(0)=3, etc. such that f(x)=1-x-½x²+½x³+...
    This is closely related to that power series approach, except that this shows -- imho -- that apart from a0 and a1 you're not free to choose much. The family of solutions has only "two degrees of freedom".
    This is reminiscent of integrating a 2nd order ODE.

  • @phscience797
    @phscience797 Год назад +4

    My favourite functional equation is f(x) = f((x+0)/2) + f((x+1)/2) on [0, 1]. You can guess the solution 2x-1 and it’s easy to show that this is the only continuously differentiable solution. So what other functions can be the solutions? Well, the only badly non-differentiable function I know is the Weierstraß function. Indeed, one can show that the other solutions are all of Weierstraß type (represented using the same power series with any function having the same periodicity conditions in place of sine)!

    • @power-l5z
      @power-l5z Год назад +1

      I think there are other solutions; c*(x -0.5) should be valid for any constant c

    • @phscience797
      @phscience797 Год назад

      @@power-l5z Indeed, the solutions to this equation form a vector space. Neglecting to mention this was sloppy.

  • @Lykrast
    @Lykrast Год назад +5

    At 11:30 wouldn't it be dividing by e^(2kx) and not e^(kx) ?

  • @thomasodonnell2960
    @thomasodonnell2960 Год назад +1

    is there a way to graphically visualize the a/the solution/s?

  • @aronbucca6777
    @aronbucca6777 Год назад +2

    At 11:30 aren't you supposed to divide everything by e^(2kx) instead of e^(kx)?

  • @CTJ2619
    @CTJ2619 5 месяцев назад

    why under the exponential section, when you divided ce^2xk by e^kx you end up with just c , law of exponents says that you subtract when dividing so answer should be e^kx corect?

  • @alfykerolous1869
    @alfykerolous1869 Год назад

    hey sir could plz suggest me a road map to study mayhemtics
    in my country mathematics studies are poor

  • @TurdFerguson43
    @TurdFerguson43 9 месяцев назад +1

    Differential equations really are the coolest bits of math IMO. That said I haven't really taken abstract or much proof based mathematics so I am not sure.

    • @mixedfeelings9020
      @mixedfeelings9020 8 месяцев назад

      There's no differential equations or calculus at all in the IMO. Do you mean functional equations?

    • @blitzer2062
      @blitzer2062 7 месяцев назад

      @@mixedfeelings9020 - I think he means "in my opinion"!

    • @mixedfeelings9020
      @mixedfeelings9020 6 месяцев назад

      Oh dear lord I apologise xD

  • @vladislavlukmanov4998
    @vladislavlukmanov4998 Год назад

    I wonder if there is a general solution like the equation y’=2y+x for example

  • @iandeoliveira9211
    @iandeoliveira9211 Год назад +1

    15:21 look the owl

  • @elkincampos3804
    @elkincampos3804 Год назад +6

    for series solutions, Integrate the equation, int(f(2*x))=1/2*(f'(x))^2+c and ... use series

  • @kolkordygvarzor8583
    @kolkordygvarzor8583 Год назад

    If you mix the potential of inertia in wave meaning and couple it with some abnormal polynomial equation

  • @konraddapper7764
    @konraddapper7764 9 месяцев назад

    How to we know that thrid Solution results in a convergent power series

  • @somedude1666
    @somedude1666 Год назад +1

    Wait does the exponential solution also extrapolate to complex numbers?
    C = -i, k = ì? Meaning that you would end up with a sin(x) trigonometric function that way?

    • @cephalosjr.1835
      @cephalosjr.1835 Год назад +1

      It does, but those are the wrong numbers. C=1/k^3 gives C=i for k=i.

  • @AJ-et3vf
    @AJ-et3vf Год назад

    Nice

  • @alexandermorozov2248
    @alexandermorozov2248 Год назад

    Are there other solutions besides x^3 and e^x?

  • @apetersonej
    @apetersonej Год назад +3

    I misread this as f(2x)=f’+f’’ but I haven’t found a solution to that one. It’s not a polynomial at least, or exponential.

  • @RogelioCaballero-wv8ci
    @RogelioCaballero-wv8ci Месяц назад

    y = 4x^3/3 is not a particular case of the series solution. Its coefficients do not satisfy the recursive pattern.

  • @soranuareane
    @soranuareane Год назад +9

    Hey! Small note about the box transitions between solutions: that causes disorientation on large monitors to people who are susceptible to such things (like myself). It causes a sensation that's vaguely related to brief motion sickness due to my eyes saying I'm spinning while my semicircular canals say otherwise.
    If you want my suggestion, I suggest brief fade transitions (blends) between the shot and the card. We want to avoid giving the sensation of motion where motion isn't expected.

  • @WilliamWolber
    @WilliamWolber Год назад +1

    Maybe I dozed off re-watching this, but was there ever a reference to the source of this problem? Yes, you can always just make one up, but most applications of this "niche subject" have the form of differential-delay equations, where the variable is translated, not re-scaled. So, is there an application?

    • @WilliamWolber
      @WilliamWolber Год назад +2

      Well, my lazy retiree's scholarship finally yielded some dividends. I at least discovered the "pantograph equation", which describes such mechanical linkage devices using a first-order ODE with a rescaling parameter λ, generally constrained to the open unit interval. So, a bit different from this example. Guess I'll have to review "reduction of order" whenever I get the time to play with this again. Also, ignoring the scaling parameter, the form of this equation screams Sturm-Louisville, so has anyone tried to obtain a Fourier Series solution yet? (Again, time permitting ...)

  • @nothingisreal6345
    @nothingisreal6345 Год назад +1

    Has someone generalized this for f(a*x)=f'(b*x)*f''(c*x) with a,b,c real not zero? It would also be interesting to understand if that differential equation has a real-world phenomenon that is describes. Regarding the currently ongoing discussion about AGI: IMHO not a single AGI is any close to being able to develop these solutions nor could it even follow the explanations.

    • @BikeArea
      @BikeArea Год назад

      Wolfram Alpha doesn't so, either?

  • @trelosyiaellinika
    @trelosyiaellinika 4 месяца назад

    The trigonometric solution is quite simple. Take k=i in the exponential solution => f(x)= -sin x +icos x

  • @yosefmohamed1591
    @yosefmohamed1591 Год назад

    In the polynomial case wouldn't if we included decimal powers change the value

  • @alexandermorozov2248
    @alexandermorozov2248 Год назад

    Интегрируя обе части, можно представить уравнение в следующем виде:
    F(2x)=[f'(x)]^2+C, где F(x)=integral[f(x)dx]
    или
    F(2x)=[F"(x)]^2+C

  • @cliffordwilliams9597
    @cliffordwilliams9597 Год назад +1

    @11:32 divide by e^2kx

  • @vincentbroman9458
    @vincentbroman9458 Год назад

    A complete general solution to this equation?
    It seems clear that any solution will have to be defined at least on a semi-infinite interval,
    either (-inf,-a] or [+a,+inf) for some positive a, so that f(x) can always be compared to f(2*x), f(4*x), etc.
    This regress also means that all solutions will have to be C-infinity.
    Non-analytic solutions on [a,inf) could exist in great variety, constructed using e.g. a C-infinity function on [1,2] which vanishes along with all its derivatives at both endpoints,
    then extending it to [2,4), [4,8), etc.
    Solutions analytic near the origin, but with an essential singularity at the origin, I cannot analyze yet,
    but if there is no more than a pole at the origin, then ALL the real solutions will be one of these:
    f(x)=0, f(x)=4/9*x^3, f(x)=+2*c^3*sinh(x/c), f(x)=-2*c^3*sin(x/c), f(x)=c^3*exp(x/c).
    This can be seen by analyzing cases according to the integer N,
    where N is the least exponent on x in the non-zero terms of the Taylor series or Laurent series for f(x).
    Reasoning about the recurrence relations between the series coefficients quickly establishes
    that the cases N3 are all impossible, leading to contradictions.
    The case N=3 produces only the cubic solution.
    The case N=1 produces only the sin and sinh solutions.
    The case N=0 seems to generate a two-parameter family of solutions that includes the exponentials.
    One parameter can be the scale factor, c, and it is convenient to take the other parameter to be b=f'''(0)-2, which is independent of c.
    Numerical experimentation with Maple makes it look very likely that, after excluding the values of b generating the solutions already mentioned, all other values of b generate a meaningful-looking Taylor series with a radius of convergence that turns out to be zero.
    But, this looks hard to prove in general.

  • @superbn1755
    @superbn1755 Год назад +2

    Not too sure about these new transitions, would be less startling if it was just a drop down when showing "polynomial solutions"

  • @chaparral82
    @chaparral82 11 месяцев назад

    exponential solution: Little mistake on the board. You divided by 1/exp(2kx)

  • @petraveryanov2572
    @petraveryanov2572 Год назад +2

    f(x) = 0 is polynomial, exponential and trigonometric... and it fits equation, but I barely heard anything bout it in this video

    • @AlexanderPatrakov
      @AlexanderPatrakov Год назад

      It is definitely mentioned as a "boring solution" at 11:50, i.e. in the exponential case.

  • @moisesbarrera4849
    @moisesbarrera4849 Год назад +1

    But if you divide ce^(2kx) by e^(kx), yo do not get c 🤔.

  • @zakiabg845
    @zakiabg845 Год назад

    What's the general formula?

  • @GustavoMerchan79
    @GustavoMerchan79 6 месяцев назад

    11:32 meant 1/e^(2kx)

  • @successfulvictorypublisher6090
    @successfulvictorypublisher6090 Год назад +1

    Excellent, clear-cut explanation...thank you!

  • @user-wp1uw8fv6y
    @user-wp1uw8fv6y Год назад +4

    Particular solutions for the equation: y=(4/9)x^3, y=(2/k^3) sinh(kx), y=(-2/k^3) sin(kx), y=(1/k^3)e^(kx)
    The solutions have common property: if y=f(x) is one of them, then so is y=(1/k^3)f(kx) for an arbitrary constant k.
    * To verify for any function, let g(x)=(1/k^3)f(kx), then: g(2x)=(1/k^3)f(2kx), g'(x)=(1/k^2)f'(kx), g''(x)=(1/k)f''(kx).
    * Plugging into the equation "f(2kx)=f'(kx)f''(kx)", we get "g(2x)=g'(x)x''(x)".
    * Therefore, if f(x) is a solution, then g(x) also satisfies the equation.
    So when we test some functions like "y=A·sin(x), B·sinh(x) or C·e^x" and we find "A=-2, B=2 and C=1", then we can extend them to the first line.

  • @mauricioachigar
    @mauricioachigar Год назад

    f(x) is not a function, x is the varible, f is the function. nice video

  • @goombacraft
    @goombacraft Год назад

    Trigonometric solution: f(x) = - sin x + i cos x

  • @bscutajar
    @bscutajar Год назад

    At 17:30 isn't this neglecting terms of x with exponents between n and 2n? Clearly the product produces these terms

  • @colbyforfun8028
    @colbyforfun8028 Год назад +1

    Trigonometric solution:
    Let f(x)=Acos(kx)+Bsin(kx)
    f(2x)=Acos(2kx)+Bsin(2kx)
    f'(x)=-Aksin(kx)+Bkcos(kx)
    f"(x)=-Ak^(2)cos(kx)-Bk^(2)sin(kx)
    multiplying theses and simplifying we get
    f'(x)*f"(x)=k^(3)*[AB(sin^(2)(kx)-cos^(2)(kx))+(A^(2)-B^(2))(sin(kx)cos(kx)]
    Using double angle trig identities we can write this as
    =-ABk^(3)cos(2kx)+0.5*(A^(2)-B^(2))k^(3)sin(2kx)
    Going back to the original equation we have
    Acos(2kx)+Bsin(2kx)=-ABk^(3)cos(2kx)+0.5*(A^(2)-B^(2))k^(3)sin(2kx)
    Setting the sine and cosine parts equal to each other we get
    (1) A=-ABk^(3) and
    (2) B=0.5*(A^(2)-B^(2))k^(3)
    Dividing (1) by A on both sides we get
    1=-Bk^(3) or B=-1/k^(3)
    Substitute into (2) and rearrange
    -1/k^(3)=0.5*(A^(2)-1/k^(6))k^(3)
    -1/k^(3)=0.5*A^(2)k^(3)-0.5/k^(3)
    -0.5/k^(3)=0.5A^(2)k^(3)
    A^(2)=-1/k^(6)
    Since k^(6) is always positive, A must be imaginary. In other words, there are no pure real sinusoidal solutions to the equation.

    • @Vladimir_Pavlov
      @Vladimir_Pavlov Год назад

      f(x)=-2*sin(x)

    • @burk314
      @burk314 Год назад

      Your mistake was assuming you could divide by A. If A = 0, you get solutions with just sine and no cosines such as the -2sin(x) posted above. On the other hand, your solution with A imaginary actually leads to Penn's solution for exponentials, just with his k replaced with your ik.

    • @khoozu7802
      @khoozu7802 Год назад

      @@burk314 I replace k with ik, then sin(kx) become sin(ikx), not sin(kx) anymore

    • @burk314
      @burk314 Год назад +1

      @@khoozu7802 Yes, but sin(ikx) = i sinh(kx), so complex values turn it into exponentials.

  • @ThomasBushnellBSG
    @ThomasBushnellBSG Год назад +2

    The argument about degree is wrong, it only proves the max degree is 3. This allows that a could actually be zero, which is turn forces b, c, d zero, and thus f=0 is a legitimate polynomial solution.

  • @gregsouza7564
    @gregsouza7564 Год назад

    Can you find a general solution to f:R→R f^(n)(x)=f(ax) that converges on all real numbers.
    (The first part is the nth derivative of f(x))

  • @a.s.vanhoose1545
    @a.s.vanhoose1545 Год назад

    I didn’t know that Sting did math.

  • @natepolidoro4565
    @natepolidoro4565 Год назад

    I got f(x)=c*sin( cbrt(-2/c)*x) for any c.

  • @piercingspear2922
    @piercingspear2922 Год назад

    1 sec after seeing this, one can directly notice that the exponential function is onenof the solutions xD

  • @mryip06
    @mryip06 Год назад

    f(x) = -2sinx works

  • @infinite1.0
    @infinite1.0 Год назад

    f(x) = n sin( cube root(-2/n) * x )
    With n =\= 0

  • @Andbovi
    @Andbovi Год назад +2

    f(x)=-2/k^3*sin(kx) is a family of trigonometric solutions.

    • @theloganator13
      @theloganator13 Год назад +1

      This comes naturally from the 1/k^3 e^kx family of solutions, letting k = ±i, and recognizing sin(x) = (e^ix - e^-ix)/2i

    • @burk314
      @burk314 Год назад +3

      I'm not seeing how you can immediately get the sine solution from the exponential one even with that identity. The functional differential equation is in no way linear, so you can't just take linear combinations. We don't even get equivalent solutions with cosine despite cos(x) = (e^ix+e^-ix)/2.

    • @theloganator13
      @theloganator13 Год назад

      @@burk314 good point, you're right

  • @tomholroyd7519
    @tomholroyd7519 Год назад

    at least one

  • @vicar86
    @vicar86 9 месяцев назад

    Infinitely Many Non-Linear Equations in Infinitely Many Unknows ~ IDIC (Vulcan philosophy) at 17:47.

  • @adandap
    @adandap Год назад

    Putting f(x) = A sin(x) we get A sin(2x) = 2 A sin(x) cos(x) = (A cos(x) ) . (- A sin(x) ), so A^2 + 2 A =0. Hence A = -2 is a non-trivial solution, so one solution is f(x) = -2 sin(x)

  • @NaftaliSpodek
    @NaftaliSpodek 6 месяцев назад

    f(x)=-2/b^3*sin(bx)

  • @antiflex5965
    @antiflex5965 Год назад +2

    I think there's a mistake at 8:18. Shouldn't it be 4b = 18ab ?

    • @samwalko
      @samwalko Год назад

      But we know a to be 4/9, so 18*4/9=8.

    • @antiflex5965
      @antiflex5965 Год назад

      @@samwalko oh right

    • @paulkohl9267
      @paulkohl9267 Год назад +1

      I saw the same thing. The second equation from like terms does not determine anything so long as b ≠ 0. If b = 0 we get solution given by MP. On the other hand, since the video has a second-order diffeq (even if it is nonlinear), there should be at least one free parameter. Let b be a free parameter, then the third coefficient in the expansion is:
      6 a c + 4 b² = 8c / 3 + 4b² = 2 c, or c(b) = - 6 b²
      d = 2 b c, or d(b) = - 12 b³. The polynomial solution f(x) ≠ 0 is:
      f(x; b) = (4/9) x³ + b x² - 6 b² x - 12 b³.

    • @burk314
      @burk314 Год назад +1

      @@paulkohl9267 Except for b nonzero, those are not solutions. If you work them out, f(2x) will have quadratic term 4bx^2, but f'(x)f''(x) will have quadratic term 8bx^2.

  • @Rottingflare
    @Rottingflare Год назад

    Am I the only one that saw the face drawn in on the chalkboard with the eraser marks?

  • @dwaraganathanrengasamy6169
    @dwaraganathanrengasamy6169 Год назад

    [e^(ax) - e^(-ax)]/(a³)
    It's a family of valid solution that I have checked out.
    Subbing in (a -> ia), we get trig solution.
    f(x) = -2sin(ax)/a³
    This is the only trig solution I believe.
    Only sine and cosine have repeating derivatives. Cosine has non zero value at x=0 while its derivative is 0.
    So only sine passes the test.

  • @averagegamer9513
    @averagegamer9513 Год назад

    Could someone explain why we don’t need parentheses on the m terms at 16:55?

    • @Chris_5318
      @Chris_5318 Год назад

      It's because they are suffixes (subscripts).

    • @averagegamer9513
      @averagegamer9513 Год назад

      @@Chris_5318 I meant that I don’t understand why we write n-m+1 instead of n-(m+1)=n-m-1. Why should we not bother changing the sign of the constant terms?

    • @Chris_5318
      @Chris_5318 Год назад

      @@averagegamer9513 I see what you mean. Sadly (happily) I've drunk to much wine to check whether Michael did another of his required typos.

  • @byronwatkins2565
    @byronwatkins2565 Год назад +4

    It looks like the series solution has a0 and a1 as free parameters.

  • @Achill101
    @Achill101 Год назад

    Without watching video:
    One approach: y = c x^3
    y' y" = c^2 * 18 * x^3 = c * 8 * x^3
    => c = 8/18
    Another approach: y = c exp(kx)
    y' y" = c^2 k^3 exp(2kx) = c exp(2kx)
    => c = k^-3

  • @Happy_Abe
    @Happy_Abe Год назад

    Where does the terms @16:55 come from?

    • @landsgevaer
      @landsgevaer Год назад

      Collecting all terms with the same power.
      You missed the Penn fact concerning Cauchy's formula that he pointed out a few seconds before that.
      en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cauchy_product

    • @Happy_Abe
      @Happy_Abe Год назад

      @@landsgevaer I saw the fact
      I’m not sure how it applied to get all the terms that showed up

    • @Happy_Abe
      @Happy_Abe Год назад

      @@landsgevaer the fact had a convolution symbol in it
      Not sure how that’s this

    • @landsgevaer
      @landsgevaer Год назад

      @@Happy_Abe Convolution is * . The circle tends to be a general operator, often function composition.
      But anyway, see the link I posted above.

    • @Happy_Abe
      @Happy_Abe Год назад

      @@landsgevaer Thank you
      Appreciate it