Fantastic content as always, I had only seen this in freedom of the hills before but it seems like a great option to have in special situations. Thank you!
And what situation should I think to use this technique? It seams like a belay technique that requires low angle slopes. So snow bridge crossing, and other non technical 4th class terrain?
I think low angle is the key. The low angle means friction from the ground and reduced load (since the ground will take some weight). I’ve had a guide hip belay me on low-angle low-5th class terrain
Low angle or stepped terrain. But you can hold a lot depending on the brace you get. So I have belayed quite steep terrain in the alpine with this. This is how most folks used to belay for everything! Of course the number one rule back then was to never fall!
@@somanayr how could the 5th class terrain be low angle? Isnt all vertical or near vertical terrain considering 5th class, and everything else with high fall consequences is 4th class? Or are you being a bit facetious? Like a steppy 5.7 as apposed to an overhung 5.13? I would be seriously nervous using this technique for falls on a wall. Snow slope sure, but definitely not 5th class terrain.
Yes and no, 5th can be quite stepped terrain. But also what one person considers steep could also not be steep for another. In olden times they belayed off the hip in all terrain. So it is doable. There is definitely enough holding power. It just isn’t that comfortable.
So why should I ever consider using this method at all? I mean its actually more dangerous. Now both partners can possibly fall and get injured instead of one.
I think if you get in the right crowd it is still there. But there are a lot of folks coming into the sport that haven't see the basic tools and techniques!
Risk is relative to your knowledge, skill, and experience. Braced belays can be safely employed on all but the most technical terrain, by those that know, have the skills, all backed by applicable experience.
Fantastic content as always, I had only seen this in freedom of the hills before but it seems like a great option to have in special situations. Thank you!
Thx! Definitely needs to be in the right application but very fast and efficient!
Hadnt seen the spinning. Sweet!
Helps my dyslexic mind get it right!
Nice tip on which way to spin: force on left foot = spin left
I use it all the time to get it right!
And what situation should I think to use this technique?
It seams like a belay technique that requires low angle slopes.
So snow bridge crossing, and other non technical 4th class terrain?
I think low angle is the key. The low angle means friction from the ground and reduced load (since the ground will take some weight). I’ve had a guide hip belay me on low-angle low-5th class terrain
Low angle or stepped terrain. But you can hold a lot depending on the brace you get. So I have belayed quite steep terrain in the alpine with this.
This is how most folks used to belay for everything! Of course the number one rule back then was to never fall!
@@somanayr how could the 5th class terrain be low angle?
Isnt all vertical or near vertical terrain considering 5th class, and everything else with high fall consequences is 4th class?
Or are you being a bit facetious? Like a steppy 5.7 as apposed to an overhung 5.13?
I would be seriously nervous using this technique for falls on a wall. Snow slope sure, but definitely not 5th class terrain.
Yes and no, 5th can be quite stepped terrain. But also what one person considers steep could also not be steep for another.
In olden times they belayed off the hip in all terrain. So it is doable. There is definitely enough holding power. It just isn’t that comfortable.
So why should I ever consider using this method at all? I mean its actually more dangerous. Now both partners can possibly fall and get injured instead of one.
Nice to see you have some interested responses. The art of mountaineering is disappearing fast.
I think if you get in the right crowd it is still there. But there are a lot of folks coming into the sport that haven't see the basic tools and techniques!
Maybe time efficient, but very risky. Rather to be avoided or used only in the most easiest terrain.
If done properly you can hold a lot. It is how early climbers belayed with way less dynamic ropes.
Risk is relative to your knowledge, skill, and experience. Braced belays can be safely employed on all but the most technical terrain, by those that know, have the skills, all backed by applicable experience.