Love that this episode exists! an hour of hearing an actual product engineer geek out about his product is just soo valuable, especially with such an iconic company as TE. So by all means, do publish more of these
Concerning the design question at 30:00, anyone interested in their approach to design (at least in terms of the hardware) should check out Dieter Rams, the Industrial design GOAT. Teenage Engineering borrows A LOT from Rams - he's _very_ clearly their biggest influence when it comes to hardware design. Jony Ive - the industrial designer behind most of Apple's most iconic products - also borrows heavily from Dieter Rams, which is likely a big part of why people are always comparing Teenage Engineering to Apple. Most people drawing that comparison assume TE is drawing inspiration from Apple, but the reality is both TE and Apple draw inspiration from Rams. If anything, TE goes way further in emulating Rams.
this interview was so interesting! I have a KO2 and I love it! I love it even more now knowing more about how it was made. The whole process sounded like it was a lot of fun, you can really tell a lot of passion went into the EP line. Im very excited to see what comes next!
"It's a dual-core CPU, but we don’t actually use the other core yet." Well damn. Here's hoping for some interesting new features with that untapped potential in the future 🤞 Thanks for sharing this conversation!
@santiagomarcano6354 That'll be interesting to see. They definitely have a weird history of what they decide to support over time: the oplab was discontinued and unsupported relatively quickly, but the OG OP-1 got USB audio streaming after 10 years. Since this is the first of the "EP Series", I wouldn't be surprised if they lean into support to make sure the rest of the series is successful, but I could also see them losing interest over time like with the OP-Z
I loved this so so much! Thank you, Adam and David. I'm such a massive fan of Teenage Engineering-I adore my OP-1f and EP-133, but this changed my entire view of the company. Just so cool!
This is super interesting, thank you! I'm a software engineer/ originally electronics engineer myself. In my company we used to work in a very similar way when we were smaller 10 years ago... "Unfortunately" we grew quite a bit and had to add more "structure".... I miss those creative / chaotic days. Love TE and their products!
Could you let me know the time stamp please? The factory reset wiping all sounds from the machine is just baffling. Really need to restore the original samples. Thanks
@@soundwithsilence it’s at around 46 mins. But here is a link to someone who exported all the factory content. This was posted by Decima1 in a video where he talked about his fader problems. I used the link so I had all my factory sounds backed up, so it is legit. drive.google.com/drive/folders/1lqHracO15q4tDPq2FWmVHpW-x6wMKaYH
Wow. I'm a big TE fan and was expecting just a basic interview. I love that it gets into the details of their design and production problems. I'm building hardware right now and going through some similar challenges, so it was great to learn about their experience.
Very insightful interview, especially for me, coming from a Product Manager perspective in the music manufacturer space. This was great! More of these please!
I know next to nothing about audio production but this was such an interesting and engaging chat that I found myself really enjoying the talk and I learned a thing or two in the process. Mad respect to David for being really open and willing to receive feedback and work on improving the products. Great job on the interview Adam!
I"m having so much fun with my KOII! TE are legendary! The OP-1 Field is one of the most interesting products I've ever played with. Will remain a staple in my studio as long as the battery lasts.
@@santiagomarcano6354 wow, you’re right! I guess that because it does so many different things, it doesn’t strike me as an instrument like a guitar, or trumpet, or any other “analog” instrument. It feels more like an iPhone or a gaming console than a violin, or even a dedicated synthesizer. Interesting food for thought 👍🏼
@@santiagomarcano6354Watch some of his videos and see how versatile the op-1 field is. Anything can be a product. My mpc live is a product, made by akai. It’s also an instrument/sampler,midi controller etc. - Like the op-1.
Yeeees!!! Such a cool surprise!!! Thank you so much for putting this out!!! Absolutely loved it!! Had to pull out my KO II while I watched it 🎉🎉🎉 looking forward to the future 🎉🎉🎉
One of the other founders of Teenage Engineering, Jesper Kouthoofd, has opened a small restaurant slash listening bar in the old town area of Stockholm. Can really recommend it if anyone is in the neighborhood. Of course, the sound is quite good at this venue.
Such an insightful interview & it makes you respect their approach to product design. Thanks for sharing this as I was not expecting this kind of coverage on this show! 👏👏👏
I know nothing about synth. Just heard about Teenage Engineering being the partner (I think the builder/manufacturer) of Rabbit R1. If I am not wrong, Jesse Lyu founder of Rabbit is in the board of Teenage Engineering. I am excited that Teenage Engineering might be the builder of Rabbit R1 hardware.
YES! ❤ lovely company of boutique devices that all in its own right are just lovable beyond their sheer functionality, all and everyone I know who owns one or more of their products have stated that they have inspired them the most over years at end in their respective creative workflow. and it all just reflects so well in this beautifully conducted interview.
My KO2 arrived today, took the protective rubber of the fader and the knob went on ok,no worries, working fine. Just got to get into the workflow. Got some pocket operators plus KO1 so bit of a headstart. Looking forward to see what else they bring out in the EP Series.😊✌🏴
This episode was exactly what i was not looking for , and exactly what i needed at the same! Great work. I have some new found respect for everyone involved ! Marques, I am going to post this on reddit for you, (Which is harder than you think without apollo). And Oh , Hey Andrew😉
I am in love with this company. Their pocket operators are genius products. Even at 99 € you should buy all , and a backup. I own 21 pocket operators. OP-1 and OP-Z are products we should give god thanks to have it available. I own two OP-Z. Their products provide unique user experience. Now, knowing they produced the KO II in Spain, makes me love them even more.
21? Worse case of Gear Acquisition Syndrome I've ever heard lol Their stuff is cool. I own two Pocket Operators. Surprisingly durable the pocket operators are. But outside of their latest grove box, which I will have within the month, they charge too much.
When Adam was mouthing the outro at the end, I got confused and thought Adam and Andrew swapped voices or something bcs the timing on that was IMPECCABLE
the EP 133 KO ii is $299 ( perfect price ) but sold at $455 (without including tax ) in India which is really heart breaking whereas arturia products are sold at its original prices.
There were probably less revisions because it's an electronic device. There are loads of costs associated with iterating hardware depending on which stage you're at. For example, if they managed to just send it in for EM certification once they're doing good.
I KNEW IT!!! I was wondering if that mic was the TE one and finally confirmed!!! Only thing that is weird is in the video it looks like the side facing the camera doesn't have the mic grill like it should have on both sides, but maybe there's another version or I'm just blind but no doubt it is the CM-15. Andrew, you're awesome, your keyboard vid was great! Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about. 😆😜
I don't know why but this "teenage engineering's ericsson guy" and his design signature reminds me of Sony Ericson range of devices from my "teenage" days and ironically his name also is Ericson.
Had they included back up /restore or sd card in the first place I wouldn’t have had to send mine back. I was making some jams when the memory locked up. From what I observed it doesn’t actually allow 99 scenes per pattern, only about 20-30, once all 9 patterns are full.
There was a foreshadowing for this when Marques featured a TE mic (CM-15) on the youtube video-vlog last week. :) I own an Op-1 and 2 PocketOperators and like them a lot. Just wish OP-1 wasnt forgoten by TE after so many years as a classic sucessful device. It deserves an firmware update here and there from time to time.
Did they update it until the field came out? I just got the field and am wondering how often they add things and update it. Since its release, it’s already gotten more updates than maschine plus has since 2020 when it was released.
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Dang! That was so interesting. This video is at the cross-road of so many subjects that fit this channel well. On the same subject, you may be interested in another European company called Eve Audio. I'm using their SC203 monitors. There is nothing better at that size and prize. Just like Teenage Engineering, they propose high end tech to (almost) everyday people. The tech is amazing, but the way it comes to market is even more.
You guys were talking about whether people have designed this way in the past, e.g. starting with available components. Nintendo called this "lateral thinking with withered technology" / "Kareta Gijutsu no Suihei Shikō" - which gave us.... The Gameboy!
Yes more stuff like this please! Can we dig deep in the software side of things, like mainstream stuff, some old some new… MS-DOS or software like Adobe for example
This conversation must be pretty cryptic to people who has no idea what a synth and a sampler is :D I'm quite happy that I'm so into that music gear stuff.
got excited and thought it was friday for a sec
Me too. 😂
Me too :/
Same!
same
IKR 🤣
Well this is certainly a collision of two things I enjoy that I was in no way expecting lol.
Right?!?!
Yesss! Ahahahah
Fr 😂😂😂
Same
Love your channel Free Beat!
Love that this episode exists! an hour of hearing an actual product engineer geek out about his product is just soo valuable, especially with such an iconic company as TE. So by all means, do publish more of these
Concerning the design question at 30:00, anyone interested in their approach to design (at least in terms of the hardware) should check out Dieter Rams, the Industrial design GOAT. Teenage Engineering borrows A LOT from Rams - he's _very_ clearly their biggest influence when it comes to hardware design. Jony Ive - the industrial designer behind most of Apple's most iconic products - also borrows heavily from Dieter Rams, which is likely a big part of why people are always comparing Teenage Engineering to Apple. Most people drawing that comparison assume TE is drawing inspiration from Apple, but the reality is both TE and Apple draw inspiration from Rams. If anything, TE goes way further in emulating Rams.
this interview was so interesting! I have a KO2 and I love it! I love it even more now knowing more about how it was made. The whole process sounded like it was a lot of fun, you can really tell a lot of passion went into the EP line. Im very excited to see what comes next!
"It's a dual-core CPU, but we don’t actually use the other core yet." Well damn. Here's hoping for some interesting new features with that untapped potential in the future 🤞 Thanks for sharing this conversation!
They will release another product and drop support. This was their gateway instrument to get into the mainstream. That’s why this video exists
@santiagomarcano6354 That'll be interesting to see. They definitely have a weird history of what they decide to support over time: the oplab was discontinued and unsupported relatively quickly, but the OG OP-1 got USB audio streaming after 10 years. Since this is the first of the "EP Series", I wouldn't be surprised if they lean into support to make sure the rest of the series is successful, but I could also see them losing interest over time like with the OP-Z
For those who care, David's comment about the MCUs and eventually, the non-use of dual-core begins at 13:03 (includes context)
Ayeeeee love this. First I see MKBHD rocking the CM-15 mic in his video now this awesome interview. Great stuff!! 🙌🏾
ayee
😮
I'm so happy this interview exists, love, love, love it. ❤
I loved this so so much! Thank you, Adam and David. I'm such a massive fan of Teenage Engineering-I adore my OP-1f and EP-133, but this changed my entire view of the company. Just so cool!
Extra episode. Let's go!
ADAM ON THE BIG TABLE ALERT 🚨 🚨 ‼️
Im a huge fan of Teenage Engineering im so excited!
This is super interesting, thank you! I'm a software engineer/ originally electronics engineer myself. In my company we used to work in a very similar way when we were smaller 10 years ago... "Unfortunately" we grew quite a bit and had to add more "structure".... I miss those creative / chaotic days.
Love TE and their products!
Thank you Adam for getting the scoop on the project backup and restore function that is “days away!” That was definitely my number 1 request!
Could you let me know the time stamp please? The factory reset wiping all sounds from the machine is just baffling. Really need to restore the original samples. Thanks
@@soundwithsilence it’s at around 46 mins. But here is a link to someone who exported all the factory content. This was posted by Decima1 in a video where he talked about his fader problems. I used the link so I had all my factory sounds backed up, so it is legit. drive.google.com/drive/folders/1lqHracO15q4tDPq2FWmVHpW-x6wMKaYH
Wow. I'm a big TE fan and was expecting just a basic interview. I love that it gets into the details of their design and production problems. I'm building hardware right now and going through some similar challenges, so it was great to learn about their experience.
Very insightful interview, especially for me, coming from a Product Manager perspective in the music manufacturer space. This was great! More of these please!
I know next to nothing about audio production but this was such an interesting and engaging chat that I found myself really enjoying the talk and I learned a thing or two in the process. Mad respect to David for being really open and willing to receive feedback and work on improving the products. Great job on the interview Adam!
My GOD. As a Microsoft delivery architect, I learned SOOO mucho! 😂
My K.O. II Arrived today. What a crossover episode!
Geeking out on this stuff while working.... priceless 👍🏻
Great work on the EP-133, such a fun instrument 🙏
love your channel! 🫶
The teenage engineering king 👑
@@Tripwelleverday 🙏Thank you so much!
TE should pay you for your contributions
@@ILLUDIUM_Q_36 🙏
I"m having so much fun with my KOII! TE are legendary! The OP-1 Field is one of the most interesting products I've ever played with. Will remain a staple in my studio as long as the battery lasts.
Interesting that you see it as a product first and instrument later. Says a lot about their marketing
@@santiagomarcano6354 wow, you’re right!
I guess that because it does so many different things, it doesn’t strike me as an instrument like a guitar, or trumpet, or any other “analog” instrument. It feels more like an iPhone or a gaming console than a violin, or even a dedicated synthesizer. Interesting food for thought 👍🏼
@@santiagomarcano6354Watch some of his videos and see how versatile the op-1 field is. Anything can be a product. My mpc live is a product, made by akai. It’s also an instrument/sampler,midi controller etc. - Like the op-1.
Yeeees!!! Such a cool surprise!!! Thank you so much for putting this out!!! Absolutely loved it!! Had to pull out my KO II while I watched it 🎉🎉🎉 looking forward to the future 🎉🎉🎉
Their designs are amazing. Thank you guys for a great interview
The chemistry between you guys always makes me smile. Also, interesting interview!
This was great! More Adam and more product people too please. Really enjoyed seeing behind the curtain
Great chat - finally got to hear from someone else at TE and learn about how they operate. Here’s hoping they are at work on an OP-Z Field next!
Op-z field would be sick
I love the engineering perspective! I wasn't expecting it but I'm so happy about it.
Low key, this is that good good. This is why I come back every damn video.
I watch these mostly because of David! Love his insights into things! I realise that only when he's not in one of the episodes!
16:52 that's a great point in fact! Oh they are smart, and understand the real essence of what the tech is meant to be.
More content like this please.
I must admit to being a fan of TE gear so I appreciate this video a lot.
Great Episode and Interview! I can't wait to see Adam doing more interviews like this.
Unexpected. Insightful. Refreshing. More, please 😁
This one was absolutely sweet!
Loved it much more than any other interview you have made.
This was so good. Always in awe of what Teenage Engineering is doing and now knowing how they do it makes them seem even more impressive
One of the other founders of Teenage Engineering, Jesper Kouthoofd, has opened a small restaurant slash listening bar in the old town area of Stockholm. Can really recommend it if anyone is in the neighborhood. Of course, the sound is quite good at this venue.
Sounds cool. What’s the name of the bar?
For a second I thought my brain blended two main topics from my youtube feed into one thumbnail. But it‘s real. So cool!
this was an awesome interview. thanks for recording it and sharing!
Such an insightful interview & it makes you respect their approach to product design. Thanks for sharing this as I was not expecting this kind of coverage on this show! 👏👏👏
This is so cool to see these two worlds come together. Did not expect a synth company to be on Marques' radar :)
Very cool to hear about TE from David's perspective. I was an instant fan of the visual aesthetics of TE products.
Always love this in depth bonus episodes
Loved the part about manuals. It acually worked for me. I absolutely studied and loved the OP-1 Field manual before buying the product.
I love that David had to turn around in case he didn't leak another ep unit 😂
I know nothing about synth. Just heard about Teenage Engineering being the partner (I think the builder/manufacturer) of Rabbit R1. If I am not wrong, Jesse Lyu founder of Rabbit is in the board of Teenage Engineering. I am excited that Teenage Engineering might be the builder of Rabbit R1 hardware.
Nice to see this dude get a shot at leading an episode
Sheeeesh! Production started in August of '22!? And it was finished in late 2023?! 🤯 Crazy !
YES! ❤ lovely company of boutique devices that all in its own right are just lovable beyond their sheer functionality, all and everyone I know who owns one or more of their products have stated that they have inspired them the most over years at end in their respective creative workflow. and it all just reflects so well in this beautifully conducted interview.
His Carhartt WIP jacket is tuff💪! I should have copped that from that collection years ago.
We love special episodes.
i have a lot of TE's products. They always have cool approaches to interfacing and UI.
Excellent interview and episode! Love learning more about TE.
This is a spectacular interview!!
Always when I finish the regular episode early... there's a bonus episode 🥳
My KO2 arrived today, took the protective rubber of the fader and the knob went on ok,no worries, working fine. Just got to get into the workflow. Got some pocket operators plus KO1 so bit of a headstart. Looking forward to see what else they bring out in the EP Series.😊✌🏴
This episode was exactly what i was not looking for , and exactly what i needed at the same! Great work. I have some new found respect for everyone involved ! Marques, I am going to post this on reddit for you, (Which is harder than you think without apollo). And Oh , Hey Andrew😉
best WVFRM so far you guys are awesome
Love seeing Adam in front of the camera!
Had a feeling there would be something between the two when MKB used the TE mic in the quitting video. Just need a video with Universal Audio now.
The EP-133 is such a fun product and I cant wait to see what they cook up next
I dam checked the calendar
Didn’t expect a bonus episode
Anyway weird Wednesday huh
I am in love with this company. Their pocket operators are genius products. Even at 99 € you should buy all , and a backup. I own 21 pocket operators. OP-1 and OP-Z are products we should give god thanks to have it available. I own two OP-Z. Their products provide unique user experience. Now, knowing they produced the KO II in Spain, makes me love them even more.
21?
Worse case of Gear Acquisition Syndrome I've ever heard lol
Their stuff is cool. I own two Pocket Operators.
Surprisingly durable the pocket operators are.
But outside of their latest grove box, which I will have within the month, they charge too much.
As someone who owns and loves the OP-1, I’m loving this interview.
I know the people at TE get a lot of hate, but that is how it goes with innovation. I love their products and dedication to their craft.
When Adam was mouthing the outro at the end, I got confused and thought Adam and Andrew swapped voices or something bcs the timing on that was IMPECCABLE
So cool! Well done to you and your team!
the EP 133 KO ii is $299 ( perfect price ) but sold at $455 (without including tax ) in India which is really heart breaking whereas arturia products are sold at its original prices.
There were probably less revisions because it's an electronic device. There are loads of costs associated with iterating hardware depending on which stage you're at. For example, if they managed to just send it in for EM certification once they're doing good.
I KNEW IT!!! I was wondering if that mic was the TE one and finally confirmed!!! Only thing that is weird is in the video it looks like the side facing the camera doesn't have the mic grill like it should have on both sides, but maybe there's another version or I'm just blind but no doubt it is the CM-15. Andrew, you're awesome, your keyboard vid was great! Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about. 😆😜
Love TE! Sweet crossover music tech pod. More of these please!
great stuff! would love to see more episodes like this
As an audio and tech nerd this is stellar!!!
Hi Andrew
Great interview.. Thank you for sharing it!
YO!!!! I’m such a big TE fan. Haven’t been able to get off of my ko2 in 2 months
This was a really sick interview!
I don't know why but this "teenage engineering's ericsson guy" and his design signature reminds me of Sony Ericson range of devices from my "teenage" days and ironically his name also is Ericson.
Super cool to learn they design for other companies too.
Adam, where's the studio channel video about this? What's the title?
Him mentioning the future of an EP series in such a cheeky way was SO EXCITING. I will buy every single one.
Genre crashing mega-hit incomming!
What a ride through hidden tunnels!
been chekcing out the K.O.II this week!
Everyone loves teenage engineering
Except for people who enjoy build quality and longevity of hardware.
I say this as a fan and owner of many TE products.
@@DominicMGeehan yeah seriously
never mind sensible pricing, freaking lmao
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TE is a brilliant company. And yes more content like this.
Thanks for sharing this
Awesome! Was looking into getting a KO II.
Had they included back up /restore or sd card in the first place I wouldn’t have had to send mine back. I was making some jams when the memory locked up. From what I observed it doesn’t actually allow 99 scenes per pattern, only about 20-30, once all 9 patterns are full.
More, please!! Sick of the disingenuous gear-tubers in the pro audio gear industry. Please make more!!! Exactly what our industry needs!
There was a foreshadowing for this when Marques featured a TE mic (CM-15) on the youtube video-vlog last week. :) I own an Op-1 and 2 PocketOperators and like them a lot. Just wish OP-1 wasnt forgoten by TE after so many years as a classic sucessful device. It deserves an firmware update here and there from time to time.
Did they update it until the field came out? I just got the field and am wondering how often they add things and update it. Since its release, it’s already gotten more updates than maschine plus has since 2020 when it was released.
Dang! That was so interesting. This video is at the cross-road of so many subjects that fit this channel well.
On the same subject, you may be interested in another European company called Eve Audio. I'm using their SC203 monitors. There is nothing better at that size and prize. Just like Teenage Engineering, they propose high end tech to (almost) everyday people.
The tech is amazing, but the way it comes to market is even more.
This was great, would love to see one about the OP-1 Field.
As someone from Spain, its awesome they built those here!!😳😄
Amazing company ! And clearly passionate people
thank you! that was insanely good content
Just for this, I am following your channel! ❤️ 🎹 🎧
Music production tech, and mkbhd, has someone been listening to my dreams?
You guys were talking about whether people have designed this way in the past, e.g. starting with available components. Nintendo called this "lateral thinking with withered technology" / "Kareta Gijutsu no Suihei Shikō" - which gave us.... The Gameboy!
Yes more stuff like this please! Can we dig deep in the software side of things, like mainstream stuff, some old some new… MS-DOS or software like Adobe for example
Amazing interview thank you!
This conversation must be pretty cryptic to people who has no idea what a synth and a sampler is :D I'm quite happy that I'm so into that music gear stuff.