I am about to purchase a heavy leather sewing machine, so I have been taking my time digging into the differences between Cobra Class 4 and Cowboy CB4500 to determine what machine is the best value. The Cobra Class 4 and the Cowboy CB4500 and the Juki 441 heads are made in the same factory on the same assembly line. They are identical in every way until the Cobra gets painted Brown, the Cowboy gets painted Tan, and the Juki is painted White. Cowboy has stepped up in my opinion by replacing some of the carbon steel parts that touch the leather with Stainless-Steel parts to include the presser feet and needle plates this is to eliminate the possibility of rust due to the moisture in the leather, they also include an Extra-Large Flywheel for ease of operation, a Wax/Lube pot for the thread and a Better LED Light. I was also told Cowboy has a bit Heavier Built Speed Reducer. I contacted Cobra folks and asked them the same questions I had asked the Cowboy folks; they did not contest any of what Cowboy folks had told me was included with the Cowboy CB4500 or what is better about the Cowboy VS Cobra or vice versa. Cobra did not even speculate that something was better about their Class 4 machine vs the CB4500 (that was really odd or telling to me) they would only say is Cobra has a limited lifetime warranty and did not elaborate further. Cowboy also has a limited lifetime warranty, so Cobra did now win any points from me on that. They both come with a heavy built table/stand and a Servo motor. Both the Cowboy CB4500 and the Cobra Class 4 are around $3k, I am seeing the price of the Juki 441-U around 7k to 8K (maybe they line the inside of those with gold or something, seems crazy high to me). I have only seen these machines from a distance and never used one, so I am going off what the information from the sources listed below, videos, and forums provided me. I am feeling a little better about turning loose of $3k + shipping on this machine now that the information provided from every source has lined up. The amazing thing to me is that all the info lined up no matter what part of the country it came from. Even the machine owners just giving me their honest opinion lined up with what the other sources had provided, their information kind of glued it all together for me since they had no skin in the game to want to sell me one way or the other. (I thank you guys for that!). My confidence is High that I am making a decision that is best for me. SOURCES: I have spoken with Ryan Neal at Neil Saddlery & Harness and Bob Kovar at Teleto Industrial Sewing Machines, about the Cowboy CB4500 machines I also contacted Aaron Hizer at Makers Leather Supply, Heather Bradt at Leather Machine Co about the Cobra Class 4. I also spoke with a 4 of machine owners that I will not name here as I did not ask their permission. This is the accumulation of the information I received from all of sources. CONCLUSION: In my humble opinion with the information I received, both are good machines. It appears to be as of today's date you get more for your money with Cowboy CB4500.
Thanks for your messaage. It is not good to say something bad about the competitor (Cobra), below is the advantages of CowBoy you can consider: 1. Cowboy was founded as a company that places quality over quantity, we test & improve each machine throughly before delivery. 2. Cowboy CB4500 now is with best low speed high torque servo motor (www.cowboysew.com/750SH-slow-speed-high-torque-servo-motor-for-extra-heavy-duty-sewing-machine.htm ), you CANNOT find similar high performance servo motor from other brand. 3. CowBoy has long business plan, both founders in United States and China are less 50 years old. You do not need to worry about spare parts in future 20 years!! Hope above information is helpful, thank you!
I just spoke with Ryan yesterday (on a Sunday by the way) and this guy is sharp and on point, I would choose to purchase from him just for his availability and knowledge even If I had to pay a little more for the machine it would be worth it to get his knowledge to back you up when something breaks. Thanks Ryan
I think I've fell in love with this sewing machine. I watch this video again and again everytime and enjoy everytime. so beautiful machine to see. thanks for great video
@@HightexHeavysewingtechnology I think I love to buy thisone. you can use needle up to Nm26 and thread up to 5/3. and the Presser Foot Lift is just perfect for me. the only thing am less happy about is is the stitch lenght. I wish it is 15mm. but 11mm is also not bad. A few minutes ago I send a email to your German branch about this machine: CB 4500 Freiarm Sattlermaschine mit 42 cm Armlänge hope can get a agreement and try to buy this one.
@@farhadfadayi7389 If you need bigger stitch length for decorative seams, 205-370 is better (14mm stitch length), automatic-sewing.com/205-370-heavy-cylinder-arm-triple-feed-sewing-machine.htm
@@HightexHeavysewingtechnology thanks for advice. I was thinking the same. it gives me also needle size 280/28 , it is very nice option. am busy to talking to your German branch. am sure I can find a machine by them.
You just need to turn the black bolts to adjust the presser foot pressure. If you have any additional question, please kindly contact our dealer,thank you!
Hi Ryan. Just watched your very informative video and am wondering if any of the accessories you mention at the conclusion would work on my machine, which seems to be of similar design. I have a Nakajima 421 and I have been led to understand that it is very similar to your Cowboy CB4500. I am particularly interested in the straight sewing guide, which you compare to the rip fence on a table saw. Also, it would be helpful to have the guides that help one sew knife sheaths and gun holsters. Thanks for any help you can offer.
Joe, we never heard about Nakajima sewing machine, CowBoy CB4500 is clone of Juki TSC-441 leather sewing machine, if your sewing machine looks same, the parts should be interchangable.
Hello. I used to work with the Adler 205-370 and am now looking to buy my own machine . I was just wondering if this machine is comparable. If you would like to look at the work I do you can just type in “A STABLE FORCE” in the RUclips search engine and you will see a short interview with me in my shop. Thank you for your time .
If you are looking for a comparable sewing machine, please look at automatic-sewing.com/205-370-heavy-cylinder-arm-triple-feed-sewing-machine.htm, thank you!
Hello Ryan. I have been looking everwhere for a UK supplier of the Cowboy sewing machine range. No luck so far. Do you know of any UK supplier? Great videos by the way. When I eventually get one of these machines, I will come back and learn from your vid's.
Hello again Ryan, as always thanks for all your videos, I was wondering if you have worked with the CB7132? I saw it on the internet, but haven't seen anyone actually using it. if you have the possibility to use them, would you be able to upload a video of it. Having someone like you explaining the pros and cons of the machine will give a better idea and also see it in action. Thanks again
Yuniel, we do not have 7132UL canvas sewing machine sale in United States, if you are using our 7132UL machine and have any difficulty, please contact our factory at info@automatic-sewing.com, thanks!
What is that clicking sound coming from the tension area on the side? It looks like something is snapping closed. I don't know if I could ever get used to that noise.
Thanks for the video. For those of us new to sewing, can you tell us if there is any advantage to a machine that has a small round bed rather than a larger and flat one?
This cylinder arm shape which helps in the production of 3-dimensional items used when making for example: Bags, saddles, seats, harnesses, safety belts, straps, technical textiles, filters, general leather and upholstery products etc..
Hi..,i from Namibia, South West Africa. your video has help me a lot i have similar machines and its a King-star DU-441 it was out of timing and i got it right after watching one of your video about setting the machine on timing but now i have another problem the machine cannot pick up the underneath thread how can i get that right?
many reasons can caused this problem, for example: shuttle hook tip wear out (you have to change the shuttle hook), the distance between needle and hook is too big, timing is not right etc.
Buen día, aquí está el enlace de CB4500 automatic-sewing.com/esCB4500.htm ¿De donde eres? Póngase en contacto con nuestra fábrica en info@automatic-sewing.com para conocer el precio o el distribuidor local, ¡gracias!
Where are you from? We have dealers for heavy duty leather sewing machines in United States, Canada, Germany, France, United Kingdom, Italy, Sweden, Serbia, Spain, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa.
Какая из машин CowBoy может шить и тонкую кожу (кошельки) и достаточно толстую (несколько слоев с уплотнителем, например сумки и рюкзаки) ? CowBoy 3200 или CowBoy 4500 ? Или CowBoy 205-370 ? Нужна машинка для кошельков, рюкзаков, ремней, женских жестких сумок
we do not have leather sewing machine in Nigeria, and it is very difficult to deliver one machine from China to Nigeria, please find a local importer of sewing machine for help, thanks!
American designers and technicians, but assembled in China. This leather sewing machines have been selling in United States, Germany, France, Italy and Australia for over 10 years.
Where are you from? We have dealers for heavy duty leather sewing machines in United States, Canada, Germany, France, United Kingdom, Italy, Sweden, Serbia, Spain, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa. Please contact out sale engineers at info@automatic-sewing.com for price or local dealer, thanks!
De onde você é? Temos revendedores para máquinas de corte e costura pesadas nos Estados Unidos, Canadá, Alemanha, França, Reino Unido, Itália, Suécia, Sérvia, Espanha, Austrália, Nova Zelândia e África do Sul. Por favor, contate nossos engenheiros de vendas em info@automatic-sewing.com para preços ou distribuidor local, obrigado!
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I am about to purchase a heavy leather sewing machine, so I have been taking my time digging into the differences between Cobra Class 4 and Cowboy CB4500 to determine what machine is the best value. The Cobra Class 4 and the Cowboy CB4500 and the Juki 441 heads are made in the same factory on the same assembly line. They are identical in every way until the Cobra gets painted Brown, the Cowboy gets painted Tan, and the Juki is painted White.
Cowboy has stepped up in my opinion by replacing some of the carbon steel parts that touch the leather with Stainless-Steel parts to include the presser feet and needle plates this is to eliminate the possibility of rust due to the moisture in the leather, they also include an Extra-Large Flywheel for ease of operation, a Wax/Lube pot for the thread and a Better LED Light. I was also told Cowboy has a bit Heavier Built Speed Reducer.
I contacted Cobra folks and asked them the same questions I had asked the Cowboy folks; they did not contest any of what Cowboy folks had told me was included with the Cowboy CB4500 or what is better about the Cowboy VS Cobra or vice versa. Cobra did not even speculate that something was better about their Class 4 machine vs the CB4500 (that was really odd or telling to me) they would only say is Cobra has a limited lifetime warranty and did not elaborate further. Cowboy also has a limited lifetime warranty, so Cobra did now win any points from me on that. They both come with a heavy built table/stand and a Servo motor.
Both the Cowboy CB4500 and the Cobra Class 4 are around $3k, I am seeing the price of the Juki 441-U around 7k to 8K (maybe they line the inside of those with gold or something, seems crazy high to me).
I have only seen these machines from a distance and never used one, so I am going off what the information from the sources listed below, videos, and forums provided me. I am feeling a little better about turning loose of $3k + shipping on this machine now that the information provided from every source has lined up. The amazing thing to me is that all the info lined up no matter what part of the country it came from. Even the machine owners just giving me their honest opinion lined up with what the other sources had provided, their information kind of glued it all together for me since they had no skin in the game to want to sell me one way or the other. (I thank you guys for that!). My confidence is High that I am making a decision that is best for me.
SOURCES: I have spoken with Ryan Neal at Neil Saddlery & Harness and Bob Kovar at Teleto Industrial Sewing Machines, about the Cowboy CB4500 machines I also contacted Aaron Hizer at Makers Leather Supply, Heather Bradt at Leather Machine Co about the Cobra Class 4. I also spoke with a 4 of machine owners that I will not name here as I did not ask their permission. This is the accumulation of the information I received from all of sources.
CONCLUSION: In my humble opinion with the information I received, both are good machines. It appears to be as of today's date you get more for your money with Cowboy CB4500.
Thanks for your messaage.
It is not good to say something bad about the competitor (Cobra), below is the advantages of CowBoy you can consider:
1. Cowboy was founded as a company that places quality over quantity, we test & improve each machine throughly before delivery.
2. Cowboy CB4500 now is with best low speed high torque servo motor (www.cowboysew.com/750SH-slow-speed-high-torque-servo-motor-for-extra-heavy-duty-sewing-machine.htm ), you CANNOT find similar high performance servo motor from other brand.
3. CowBoy has long business plan, both founders in United States and China are less 50 years old. You do not need to worry about spare parts in future 20 years!!
Hope above information is helpful, thank you!
I just spoke with Ryan yesterday (on a Sunday by the way) and this guy is sharp and on point, I would choose to purchase from him just for his availability and knowledge even If I had to pay a little more for the machine it would be worth it to get his knowledge to back you up when something breaks. Thanks Ryan
Thank you so much💗
I am very happy with the cowboy 4500 I bought from you. Thank you Ryan! Your help has been appreciated.
Thanks for using CowBoy leather sewing machine, please enjoy it!!
I think I've fell in love with this sewing machine. I watch this video again and again everytime and enjoy everytime. so beautiful machine to see. thanks for great video
Thank you Dan.
@@HightexHeavysewingtechnology
I think I love to buy thisone. you can use needle up to Nm26 and thread up to 5/3. and the Presser Foot Lift is just perfect for me. the only thing am less happy about is is the stitch lenght. I wish it is 15mm. but 11mm is also not bad.
A few minutes ago I send a email to your German branch about this machine:
CB 4500 Freiarm Sattlermaschine mit 42 cm Armlänge
hope can get a agreement and try to buy this one.
@@farhadfadayi7389 If you need bigger stitch length for decorative seams, 205-370 is better (14mm stitch length), automatic-sewing.com/205-370-heavy-cylinder-arm-triple-feed-sewing-machine.htm
@@HightexHeavysewingtechnology
thanks for advice. I was thinking the same. it gives me also needle size 280/28 , it is very nice option. am busy to talking to your German branch. am sure I can find a machine by them.
@@farhadfadayi7389 Ok, thank you!
Nice video of the back of your head.
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Thank you for this video! What a beautiful machine! Does it walk over large bumpy seam areas easily?
What's the difference in thickness? It will depend on "climbing capacity" of sewing machine?
Hello I have injoy watching video.you have not mentioned pressure foot adjustment. Thanks
You just need to turn the black bolts to adjust the presser foot pressure. If you have any additional question, please kindly contact our dealer,thank you!
Hi Ryan. Just watched your very informative video and am wondering if any of the accessories you mention at the conclusion would work on my machine, which seems to be of similar design. I have a Nakajima 421 and I have been led to understand that it is very similar to your Cowboy CB4500. I am particularly interested in the straight sewing guide, which you compare to the rip fence on a table saw. Also, it would be helpful to have the guides that help one sew knife sheaths and gun holsters. Thanks for any help you can offer.
Joe, we never heard about Nakajima sewing machine, CowBoy CB4500 is clone of Juki TSC-441 leather sewing machine, if your sewing machine looks same, the parts should be interchangable.
Hello. I used to work with the Adler 205-370 and am now looking to buy my own machine . I was just wondering if this machine is comparable. If you would like to look at the work I do you can just type in “A STABLE FORCE” in the RUclips search engine and you will see a short interview with me in my shop. Thank you for your time .
If you are looking for a comparable sewing machine, please look at automatic-sewing.com/205-370-heavy-cylinder-arm-triple-feed-sewing-machine.htm, thank you!
Hello Ryan. I have been looking everwhere for a UK supplier of the Cowboy sewing machine range. No luck so far. Do you know of any UK supplier?
Great videos by the way. When I eventually get one of these machines, I will come back and learn from your vid's.
Thanks for your interesting, here is the link of UK dealer automatic-sewing.com/UK-where-to-buy-heavy-industrial-sewing-machine-in-uk.htm
Hello again Ryan, as always thanks for all your videos, I was wondering if you have worked with the CB7132? I saw it on the internet, but haven't seen anyone actually using it. if you have the possibility to use them, would you be able to upload a video of it. Having someone like you explaining the pros and cons of the machine will give a better idea and also see it in action. Thanks again
Yuniel, we do not have 7132UL canvas sewing machine sale in United States, if you are using our 7132UL machine and have any difficulty, please contact our factory at info@automatic-sewing.com, thanks!
Thanks again Ryan for everything
My pleasure sir!
Thank you
We will be at your service at any time!!
What is that clicking sound coming from the tension area on the side? It looks like something is snapping closed. I don't know if I could ever get used to that noise.
Every heavy duty equipment is noise, include heavy truck!! The noise is coming from the large Barrel shuttle hook.
@@HightexHeavysewingtechnology Oh I see. It could just be the way the microphone is picking up the sound. My Thompson machine is pretty loud.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 Please call Ryan at 330 692 1418 to make everything clear, thanks!
I have the same machine cb4500 but I can't put 4 layers of leather under the foot. How change this? (pressure and neddle foot) thanks
How can be sured your machine is same to CB4500, if not with CowBoy or HighTex brand? Just looks similar?
@@HightexHeavysewingtechnology I have Hightex CB4500
The standard presser foot of Juki TSC-441 type machines is 20mm, why you cannot put 4 layers of leather?
Thanks for the video. For those of us new to sewing, can you tell us if there is any advantage to a machine that has a small round bed rather than a larger and flat one?
This cylinder arm shape which helps in the production of 3-dimensional items used when making for example:
Bags, saddles, seats, harnesses, safety belts, straps, technical textiles, filters, general leather and upholstery products etc..
I understand.... Thank you.
Hi..,i from Namibia, South West Africa. your video has help me a lot i have similar machines and its a King-star DU-441 it was out of timing and i got it right after watching one of your video about setting the machine on timing but now i have another problem the machine cannot pick up the underneath thread how can i get that right?
many reasons can caused this problem, for example: shuttle hook tip wear out (you have to change the shuttle hook), the distance between needle and hook is too big, timing is not right etc.
Hello!
I guess the tank on top of the machine is for lubricating the thread. Does it mean that the machine can sew with linen thread?
Yes, you are right. The casting iron tank is for lubricating thread. This machine can sew with linen thread.
Is the pressure foot and feed dog smooth so it doesn't mar the leather?
Yes this leather sewing machine standard supplied with non-teeth feed dog, feed dog and needle plate.
Buenas tardes Señor. Podría enviar información por favor sobre la máquina de coser cowboy 4500.
Y cuál es el precio?
De antemano gracias
Buen día, aquí está el enlace de CB4500 automatic-sewing.com/esCB4500.htm
¿De donde eres? Póngase en contacto con nuestra fábrica en info@automatic-sewing.com para conocer el precio o el distribuidor local, ¡gracias!
I want one. Now.
Where are you from? We have dealers for heavy duty leather sewing machines in United States, Canada, Germany, France, United Kingdom, Italy, Sweden, Serbia, Spain, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa.
@@HightexHeavysewingtechnology I'm in Virginia.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 please contact our head office in Ohio, USA at 330 692 1418 or neelre@comcast.net, thanks!
Ryan, can you do a video on setting thread tension?
+ericp726
Ryan is just in our China factory, we will try to do a service video.
+ericp726
Forget to tell you, I am Bill, work at factory.
Thanks. I was referring to Ryan in this particular video. Ryan Neel. I bought a CB4500 from him.
+ericp726 OK, I will tell him later.
+ericp726
Hi, here is the video for setting thread tension, please check, thanks! @ ruclips.net/video/udRtllp0TAo/видео.html
Какая из машин CowBoy может шить и тонкую кожу (кошельки) и достаточно толстую (несколько слоев с уплотнителем, например сумки и рюкзаки) ? CowBoy 3200 или CowBoy 4500 ? Или CowBoy 205-370 ? Нужна машинка для кошельков, рюкзаков, ремней, женских жестких сумок
CowBoy 205-370 - лучшая швейная машина для тонкой и толстой кожи.
@@HightexHeavysewingtechnology Спасибо !
what is the price of the cowboy machine CB4500 a used one
Where are you from? Please contact our factory at info@automatic-sewing.com for price or local dealer, thanks!
What size of thread are using in the video?
V277 Nylon bonded thread, the maz. sewing thead of CB4500 is V415, metric size #7 or 1300dX3, T-400.
@@HightexHeavysewingtechnology thank you, very much.
Nylon bonded thread V277
i need one in Nigeria please send quotation
we do not have leather sewing machine in Nigeria, and it is very difficult to deliver one machine from China to Nigeria, please find a local importer of sewing machine for help, thanks!
how much is this machine in the uk / in pounds £ ?
Morning Dave, we have CB4500 leather saddle sewing machine stock in UK, please write to info@cowboysew.com for detail,thanks!
How can i get such machine in Russia ? Do you have local dealer in Russia or Kazakhstan ?
We have dealer in Russia, and sold a lot of CB4500 to Russia.
@@HightexHeavysewingtechnology tell me please their contacts
I am not sale man, do not have their contact information. Please write to info@automatic-sewing.com, thanks!
this Machine isit frome USA made ????
American designers and technicians, but assembled in China. This leather sewing machines have been selling in United States, Germany, France, Italy and Australia for over 10 years.
Rate plz
Where are you from? We have dealers for heavy duty leather sewing machines in United States, Canada, Germany, France, United Kingdom, Italy, Sweden, Serbia, Spain, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa. Please contact out sale engineers at info@automatic-sewing.com for price or local dealer, thanks!
price & It has Flat Bed ?
The flat bed leather sewing machine is 7243, where are you from? Please contact info@cowboysew.com for local dealer or price, thanks!
Thanks
I'm from Egypt, and I want to buy this machine.
We do not have dealer in Egypt, please write to our sale engineer at info@automatic-sewing.com for direct sale price, thanks!
Valor?????
De onde você é? Temos revendedores para máquinas de corte e costura pesadas nos Estados Unidos, Canadá, Alemanha, França, Reino Unido, Itália, Suécia, Sérvia, Espanha, Austrália, Nova Zelândia e África do Sul. Por favor, contate nossos engenheiros de vendas em info@automatic-sewing.com para preços ou distribuidor local, obrigado!
Watch the video of hand operated leather stitching machine for saddlery and leather crafts: ruclips.net/video/WTvREYt4TYg/видео.html
Excellent
Thank you!
teamo.mucho.miamor
what do you mean?
lol.
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