Pros and Cons of the PVS14
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- Both Sam Houston and I talk through some of the Pros and Cons of the PVS14 Night vision Monocular.
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Your youtube channel is criminally undersubscribed
Thanks dude
I just found this channel. I agree.
To talk about diverse capability, I spent about two years on a coast guard cutter. We used these handheld for spotting lights/ships on the horizon and let me say they are effective. I have spotted contacts 30+ nautical miles out with them
Further proof that the earth is flat....
you didnt do jack shit, hoe
@@Heywoodthepeckerwood how do you figure that
@@evanogburn if the earth was a sphere the size (they) say it is, with the circumference of about 25,000 miles. the visual horizon would only be about 12 miles out. If you can see 30+ nautical miles out. Either the earth is over 4 times larger than (they) say, or. It is flat…
Do the math to prove me wrong..
@@Heywoodthepeckerwood oh lord, you're being serious.... First off the visual horizon is not a fixed distance away. The higher up you go, the farther out you can see. In my example, i was probably about 35 feet above the water. Second, when you're spotting a boat, they also stick up above the horizon, so you can see the top of the bridge/mast well before you can see the whole boat. And 3rd, when it comes to night vision specifically, you weren't actually seeing the vessel. You see what we called the "loom" of light it was emitting shining up over the horizon.
Just a couple of buds hanging out in the dark. Both of y’all bring a lot to the community for us to use. Thank y’all for doing what you do
I was blessed to have a friend find me a gently used blemless Elbit Gen 3 thin filmed green phos PVS-14 for $1950 shipped. Low Light Innovations makes a terrific "white" filter that essentially mimics white phos in appearance with limited light transmission loss for only $25. To save money on the mount, he suggested an "Evolution Gear L4G24 NVG Mount Perfect Replica" for only $85 shipped instead of the $465 for the real one, and the quality is phenomenal. I also picked up a used Wilcox AN/PVS-14 Arm for $150 shipped down from the original $229 price. Botach has a Longfri Level IIIA ballistic helmet for only $199 that is around 3 pounds, good quality for the price and there are lots of ballistic test videos on them. I also went with the FCS AMP Headset that is a fully functioning Replica of the Ops Core AMP for only $175 shipped down from $999 for the real one. I plan on running a Disco 32 PTT with them to get my Comms squared away. Although all of this stuff is still expensive, there are ways of making NVGs and Comms realistically affordable instead of an unobtainable pipe dream. I highly encourage yourself and others to do the same. I was able to have just as functional of a setup for a little more than $2,500 that would have been $7,500+ if I had gone "Gucci" on everything.
Amen bro,sounds legit,ive done similar and saved thousands !Never wpulda happened going full gucci but im realistic.I dont drive a exotic car or live in a huge house so why would i be buying ferrari nvg shit lol
I would recommend buying a legit 3a helmet bro, armorsource and PGD are two more "affordable" companies. They're a bit pricey ($400-500), but you can find sales and deals
just two men sitting together on the couch in the dark
Lol
Excuse me...."Casting couch in the dark" get it right sir.
rather close and snug too!
$20,000 with of equipment sitting on a $50 couch.
@@2rich2Mr a couch doesn’t give you the ability to see at night. But if you really want $10k fabric for your ass to sit on, go for it
love your content. you helped me make my choice for owning the night. I went dark a few months back. Watching ufos and bats right now.
Great video, this helped me make my mind up and finally order my first NV device. I was wanting something useable (not that digital junk), but wasn’t too keen on dropping 10k right off the rip for a set of dual tubes, the 14 gave me the capability and left a few shackles in my pocket for classes/training and a IR laser & light.
You guys are great - lots of helpful info here!
Great vid, I've been considering a PVS-14 for a while. I'd love to see a video on passive aiming and weapon-mounted night vision.
That's part of class curriculum. Come on out
@@KineticConsulting I just watched the video. super informative. I couldn't catch the name of the mount you named as first choice neurotos? 700$? Do a video on were to get financing over 12months so everyone can get themselves some Dual Gen 3 L3 white phosphorus with a snr of 30. PVS 14 makes it so atleast you have ability to run at night over nothing. but the argument for Duals seems to be verrrry strong. buy once cry once allegedly.
Comment is 3yrs old, where you at with it?
I love mine!! Glad I seen this video I was about to sell mine to get a dual set up!!
Purchase another one and a dual mount and you'll be way happier with the versatility.
Just got my gen3 PVS14's a couple weeks ago and theres no comparison, they are WAY better than anything I was ever issued from 05 to 13. These guys can build some quality stuff. Still waiting for my IR laser to ship
What IR laser did you get
@@suburbanprepper peq15, that still hasn't shipped.
Been happy with my aka2 mount with dual dovetail.
I wanted to save money for a PC build, but man I want a PVS14
i hope you saved for night vision.
I would rather have a PVS14 and a 10/22 than almost any battle rifle.
Did you build your pc or get a nod?
@@-jimmyjames
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I BOUGHT THE NODS 😂😂😂
*BRAVO SIX, GOING DARK*
I've had several PVS-14's (MX11769UV Tubes) over the last 10 years. I sell my 14 & then feel naked, end up buying another & sleep better at night. It's a no nonsense workhorse in the I2 world.
I tried the Bridge option with two 14's but the weight just killed it, maybe one day I'll pick up a set of used 15's or a BNVD.
I've owned All the mounts, shrouds & arms plus a Wide selection of helmets & various other skull crusher replacements. I always end up going back to the AKA2 w/ dovetail socket, Norotos Universal shroud & either the Dual Dovetail Adapter THA or wilcox J-Arm with an Ops-Core Carbon or Team Wendy Exfil LTP.
I've found that to be my personal best system setups.
Wilcox kit is nice but no one ever mentions with a good bit of use it tends to loosen up at the pivot points & can not be repaired. Bungie's on your helmet mitigate that play but for the money I want a Rock Solid mounting system that can take abuse. SF loves them because its free kit that serves its purpose but for the average user I'd say Nortoos is the clear winner.
Just my lously opinion :)
@Les Fernandez
I keep the eye cup on, but flip it foward so it acts as a cushion if the 14 gets jamed back into my eye socket or takes an unexpected plunge to the ground (it offers the occular lens a bit of drop protection at the very least).
Free Kit? I’m sorry that’s not how that works.
@@atacorion
Meaning Its issued kit on their end (they break it they may pay for it but that's another can of worms). I'm speaking about Civilian buyers getting their money's worth in the long run.
It's also not as well designed as proclaimed ( a steel insert stop pin working against an aluminum barrel wears down fairly quickly EX. G24, Wilcox Dovetail J-Arm ect...). It's all subjective, I'm not here to crap on your vid, just offering my opinion on the longevity of this expensive kit for the uninitiated.
@@jcarter855 I've got about 7 years of hard use on a G24, and about 3 years of hard use on 8 others...theyre going all going strong so the wear and tear is non issue and with Wilcox's lifetime warranty its a no brainer.
I own a pvs14 gen 3. I love mine.
How often do you use them
Looks like TNVC sells Mod3 monoculars setup by themselves. Would it be a mistake to get one of those monoculars with the intent to get another and the bridge at a later time? I don't know how hard it would be to match the two later.
I needed this thanks
Great video. Could you recommend a night vision class? Flights are more reasonable these days so it might be worth it.
You can check my schedule as well as Greenline Tactical
Does the Matbock Tarsier Eclipse come in a model compatible with an ANVIS lens RNVG/DTNVG set up? Or is it strictly for PVS-14/31/7-B lens types?
Not sure. You have to check their website
I have mounted the PVS-14 forward of a 4x ACOG. I turned the eye piece where it meshed flush with the over hang shield of the forward lense of the ACOG. You can focus the lenses using the forward and rear lense dials on the PVS-14 where it provides a clear picture. Now, I have no idea if this causes a POI shift in the zero but I noticed an INCREASE in magnification from this setup. It made positive identification of everything within 200 meters under starlight possible. I was able to positively identify people and objects through windows effectively.
Cool. It most likely will have a zero shift.
its not a clip on.
Thoughts on two bridged PVS-14's? I've been shopping hard and I'm leaning towards dual PVS-14's. Sure, it's heavier but I'm just using them to hog hunt and night shoot. I also can split them and go out with a buddy and we can both run a single PVS-14. I know I can get splittable duals but they're more expensive than dual PVS14's and a good bridge.
Nothing really horrible Imo. Just be cognizant of the gain levels on both when using them (see why in my Pvs14 setup video) and make sure when you buy 2 with very similar specs. If you go to tnvc or similar they can match some for you.
@@KineticConsulting My plan was to buy them both at the same time so they'd match up. I've used PVS14's downrange so I'm familiar with them. I actually still have my rhino mount haha
Lots of brands out there for the PVS 14s. Any in particular that are better made/quality? Thanks.
I think any pvs 14 from tnvc is good. But then again, this comment is from someone who never used nvgs before.
Considering nvg. If a fellow had two monos rather than duals he could loan one to a buddy. Two guys looking out with monos seem more effective than one guy with duals not to mention if you have two you would always have at least one if things stopped being available
Now you have me seriously considering buying a 14.
Having one is better than none!
i hope you guys figured out how to boost the volume on your videos since this upload. i literally have to put my head up to the laptop to hear you.
What are your thoughts on the DTNVG dual tubes?
Go see my video on them. In short, I love them
Kinetic Consulting didn’t know you had a vid! I’ll check it. Thanks for the quick response!
Thanks for posting this. I am researching getting in to night vision, so this was helpful. Do you think digital night vision will be viable in say 5 years? I'd almost rather wait for that instead investing a large amount into a dated technology, if that is the case.
I'm not really sure man.
T. rex arms did a great video on digital night vision if you want to check that out
once the credit cards are payed off, building a duel NVG with pvs14s is my next multi year project. TNVC has a powered bridge module for duel pvs14, and they make it easy to buy, finance, and build/acquire your own set. I can't wait.
Nice
@@KineticConsulting I sometimes wonder how guys like you and garand thumb and warrior poet can afford so much Gucci gear. I work very hard for my families business. I save, I pay all my bills on time and have fantastic credit, but to train and take all your classes and to be able to shoot on your level would take more than I would make in 2 years just to get started. I train where I can but I always feel behind. Most times all I can do is dry fire drills. It doesn't help that I live in New York where doing anything like what you guys do is either illegal or severely frowned upon, but I swear I will somehow figure out how to acquire the skill you guys have.
@@kunfugunman I save like crazy. I also work multiple jobs and don't have kids.
@@kunfugunman Because Garand Thumb is DINK (double income, no kids), John makes a killing between his multiple revenue streams of his training, online store, videos, and patreon.
Garand thumb has kids and a family he just works really hard and gets after it. John also works hard and has assembled a good team.
So how far can you see with this unit? Great video BTW very helpful!
Depends on environmental factors and illumination
I feel like single tube for stealth and evasion, dual for direct action. I love my single tube, being able to read light conditions and use my peripheral vision but it all depends on your neuroplasticity if blending two image is too difficult.
If you are by yourself, one tube is best for most people in my humble opinion.
neuroplasticity, that's an old one!
@@Heywoodthepeckerwoodyup
I second that
I think I'm finally going to pull the trigger on NV. I was originally going to purchase a refurbished PVS-30. but I'm thinking the 14s might be a better way to at least get into the water. I'm looking for some direction. Could you point me in the direction of THE 14s that you would choose? And then also, could you point me in the direction of the best bang for the buck 14s? At this time dual's are too lofty of a goal, and all my time is with 14's (and UNS') from my time in the military.
Depends on your budget. Call up tnvc and they can build you an amazing 14
Stick to L3 filmless tubes and you'll be good.
@@KineticConsulting I'm assuming you'd try to get the highest FOM tube available? Or, would you look for a combination of specs that would be more ideal?
@@NateK9132 it depends. If you know what you're looking for spec wise you can. But FOM and EBI are my main concern
@@KineticConsultingwhat’s so wrong with Elbit thin filmed ? They are better than photonis.
An retired Army guy, been around a while. Deployed to Iraq my first time and had PVS-7’s they worked but the weight made them a pain to use even with training numerous hours driving, mount and shooting with them.
My second deployment we had PVS-14’s the weight alone being a bit lighter, I found myself using them more often with less neck strain. I’m sure the new stuff is good but the weight on your head and neck doing ops has it setbacks, 14’s are the cats meow to me.
How hard was it to drive with the single 14 vs the pvs-7s bi-ocular setup ?
@@mrgrump2534 driving with both had their downs, windows had to be super clean.
Dust on the inside or outside of windows distorted the clarity and any dash lights had to be off or on the dimmest settings plus any interior light reflection would distort also (don’t use either with IR setting on while driving).
The 14’s using one eye allow you to have one eye some options to flash bright light (head lights, flash bang) cutting off your NV plus the weight again being a factor with bouncing on bad roads. 7’s would be fine for the most part but after using both I just prefer 14’s.
If you wear corrective lenses does night vision still work
Yes. They are focused to your eyes
I'm poor I could only afford to buy a ops core fast sf helmet, Pvs14 WP, and a Meyers MAWL. Maybe I'll get some googles next year.
Can you say more about the rhino mounts limitations? I get that they don’t have all the capabilities... but don’t they adjust and work as intended?
Rhino 2 is gtg. Just do the dovetail upgrade.
They work. I agree with a dovetail update. The biggest problem I have with them is they are very wobbly.
I have the rhino 2. The j arm is the only part that seems wobbly.
Run dual pvs-14s! FTW!
So let's say I were to buy the components bit by bit kinda like I do with my rifles...... how difficult would that be, would I save money in the long run, and would there be anything special I'd need to do like nitrogen purging?
Not as simple as a rifle
@@KineticConsulting yea I looked up the parts. Tbh It'd probably be less annoyance to just get the NODs and setup
Can I buy a mono and later add another mono if I later choose to? Can it be done? Would it be easy to do, and would it be and economical?
Yes, as long as you have a spec sheet and can get as close to matching as you can.
If someone saved up to get a single PVS-14, and then a year later had enough to buy another, is it a viable option or a dumb idea to get a second one and rig them up as a dual set-up?
It’s not necessarily a dumb idea, but the drawbacks are weight (which people typically “Pooh-pooh” until their neck is screaming on a protracted hike or day 2 of a class or a hunting trip), but also collimation. If the tubes aren’t properly matched and collimated, it can make people nauseous or give headaches.
For a single tube, how come its run on non-dominant eye?
You can run it on either eye
You can choose either eye but people do non dominant to be able to use their dominant eye to shoot through their optic
Which company is pushing the best Pvs-14’s? Gen WP? Thinfilm vs filmless?
I trust tnvc
Are the best PVS-14s from ITT?
14 is just a housing. Tube specs are what makes them good. L3 has the best tubes currently
Kinetic Consulting jizz, I just bought some
If you were to rank the best tubes. In what order would you place them in?
Depends on specs.
@@KineticConsulting thoughts on a elbit white phosphorus FOM 2403. Where would you say that stands in a line up
@@0780marco elbit makes solid tubes. That's probably a little higher than mid range. Also it's phosphor, not phosphorus lol. Phosphorus is not good for your eyes
@@KineticConsulting lol auto correct. Thanks for the response tho
In my limited experience people learn faster with the 14 vs dual tube devices. Learning to read existing light levels is a key part of using night vision properly and you learn that faster with a monocular.
I have found the opposite. Depends on how you use/setup duals.
Love when their nods cost more then their couch
Hotel couch lol
Priorities seem right to me
@@KineticConsulting 1 or two beds? just trying to save money. i get it. JK man. love your content. you helped me make my choice for owning the night
If you’re spending $10k on a couch, you got bigger issues
@@-jimmyjamesthermal is owning the night or even better duel band systems
Do people run two pvs14's often?
It's very popular to do so but tends to be heavy.
Pro is that you get stronger traps. 😉
I have dual 14s. The hardest part is finding matching quality tubes, much harder than finding your soul mate. I love 10160 over 11769.
BOLShOi BOOzE if you’ve got a data sheet I can pretty easily match the tube
Is your name a prison break reference?
Sent this to a buddy of mine who was looking at 14's, I was dead set on saving up for 31's after your overall NV video but I might just spring for 14's first once I get the money
31's seem really fucking great though lol
You can't buy -31's, they are a restricted item, and a terrible investment for any non DOD entity. There are far better goggle systems on the market.
@@atacorion I can and will because I want them
@@Thunderbolt22A10 enjoy
@@Thunderbolt22A10please do so I can take them off your corpse when the time comes 😂
One day I hope to be able to afford a pvs14
Rocco Cardarelli lol I guess dude
*Cries in Sightmark Ghost Hunter* In all seriousness I'm saving for a PVS-14.
Why not just mount two to get dual tubes...50 hours, dependability, and replacement parts? Maybe a little heavy...but they make counter weights for a reason...even a good size battery pack. For home defense, if you had an IR on your rifle, do you think the light from the 14 on your face would give your position away?
You absolutely can. Nothing wrong with that as long as both 14s are very similar in spec and color. Think of it like you want to find a 14s brother vs it's cousin.
@@KineticConsultingI don’t no I have heard this does not matter as much as vendors and shillers alike like to push on people
From hearing first hand experiences from friends, it sounds like colimation is WAY more important then FOM or snr… as long as they are within reason and phos color is the same you should be g2g for the most part
@@mrgrump2534 colimation is definitely important, most decent bridges will do this for you. If you have unmatched 14s you will strain the eyes. You can obviously do what you want, but in my experience it's important to have similar specs. That's why they do it for duels.
thanks for the info but wow is the outro music a bit much
Why is the bumper music so loud?
@4:09 Night vision and chill?!
I’ll save my money for a good set of dual tubes. Be the end of next year possibly.
Not a bad choice
@Les Fernandez not sure if there is a specific lumen output that it can take but as long as it's brief you're usually good. The auto gating feature is there to protect the image intensifier
My ex has a humongous box so I can relate.
Could you recommend a serviceable durable inexpensive rifle scope? $2000ish I was thinking an anpvs4 as its US technology and serviceable...also can you recommend a vendor that can service and repair said beauty. Thanks. (Just a note, I have heard that vitamin C and D will strengthen you bodies resistance to COVID-19, Godspeed Gentlemen...)
the -4 is very old and logistically not supported anymore, so while you may well find one for that price getting follow on support will be near impossible and spare parts....good luck.
@@atacorion Thanks for the reply, Another question, Any suggestions? Around or under $2k, serviceable here in USA, (repl tubes ) and gen 2 or better? (for rifle sighting?)
@@winstonsmith9067 Good NV isn't cheap and Cheap NV isn't good. save your money and buy some worth investing in that will last and give you your monies worth, otherwise just set it on fire or flush it down the toilet.
@@atacorion OK, what would be the least expensive night vision scope you would recommend? Thx.
@@atacorion Rifle
But what about Ghost or Green?!?
Personal preference and wallet decides.
Lol the strengths and pros
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Okay, you say the PVS14 is the "Glock 19" of night vision... but when I shop on Ebay for them why are some of them almost a thousand dollars cheaper? When you say PVS14 are they only made by one manufacturer?? If not, then maybe the PVS14 ios the "AR15" of night vision?? Help me out here please... Are all PVS14s the same???
Pvs14 is just a housing. The internal image intensifier is what causes the significant difference in price. Don't buy off eBay by the way. People will lie and give you crap for your hard earned money.
PVS-14 vs MUM(Mini)-14, functionality seems same, but MUM-14 is lighter weight. So, why PVS-14 is much more popular?
Probably due to price and availability
The MUM is a long dead program. It was designed for the Navy with slightly better water proofing but it used a 10160 auto gain tube, a bunch of proprietary parts and had a terrible mounting interface that would shear off and render the unit unmountable to a helmet. It was a poor design compared to the -14 which even after 20+ years is still going strong.
@@atacorion I'm asking because I'm in Europe and due to somewhat stupid ITAR regulations, we are limited to what we can find and buy here. Specifically, I'm talking about Night-Tronic NT940, which is available with full Photonis tube product line. I googled around several evenings, but wasn't able to find any significant differences between these two designs. Shop I ordered this from was recommending this MUM-14 based design. So, I went for that... with pretty much best Photonis tube available for non-military. Unit is now ordered and likely in assembly already. So, too late change anymore
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@@KineticConsulting Thanks. Regards from Finland. I already ordered my device, which is based on MUM-14 design. Price difference was only 200€. So, I decided to pick the lighter weight one. Now really hoping I didn't make mistake on this. Luckily, due to reasons, I'm getting better Photonis intensifier tube than I originally ordered. Extra price is very reasonable. Total price is about 5500€.
Get in touch with our buddies at Act In Black they have PVS-14’s with Photonis and harder digital tubes.
Audio is low
2 guys trying to sell you on a PVS14 while wearing DTNVS hahaha
More like 2 dudes wearing dtnvs to teach you about Pvs14s.
@@KineticConsulting Haha I have both and use both for different things. Just thought it was funny. You guys do good work. !Respect!
Low volume recording.
why not just use 2 of them?
Thats an entirely different video, suffice to say dont just dont. Get real dual tubes
A $500 glock in the US cost $9000 in my country. Imagine how much a 2 piece $6000 tube cost in my country.
depends on whether the components are manufactured closer to you or not...
Seriously?! What country do you live?
@@echodelta2172 no, it depends on how the government control gun laws.
Pros 'n Cons? They ain't no "cons". With 'em ya kin see in the dark, without 'em ya cain't ... ain't no cons.
The audio levels for this video are we off. The music at the end scared the shit out of me.
Do those of us not as experienced as you a favor, when you talk about say mounts show them so we know what you are talking about!
I am a poor. My white phosphorus pvs14 is all I'm gonna get.
Andrew Sanford a white phosphor pvs14 is a expensive unit, you’re not a poor.
@@Gunmonkey5 well thank you.
Andrew Sanford if you said you had some sight mark gen 1 then yes, but white phosphor gen 3 are like 3600-4000
You mean to tell me that you can afford a couple thousands of dollars of NVG but you afford a set of microphones??
Lol
Hey next time don’t blow my ears out with my headphones on you guys are talking and then the sound goes to at the end of the video go to like level 8 million that reminds me of TV commercials that blows ass
Word!
Just get thermal optics. They run a little more but you will see much more. Night vision is kind of obsolete at this point. An extra 1K and you can get a Pulsar Hellion XP50 Pro. Night vision is very limited.
Duel band son
PVS14 for $3k? Super easy to find a green gen 3 for $2,500, less if you're patient and watch for sales.
S O I’m quoting Brand new retail prices. If you want used I’ve seen them as low as $1300 for a beat up but still useable Gen3
SilentSolutions fair point on used. DVOR periodically has new Gen 3 PVS14s for the $2,500 mark. I have plans on eventually getting dual tubes or maybe something with the 51 degree FOV.
@@spade2you stay far away from the 51 degree FOV lenses, they are a gimmick. Sure its 51 degrees but the image is a fish eye lens and blurry on the outer edges.
SilentSolutions Good to know. Thanks.
Perhaps used and gen 1. I'm not sure I'd want to rely on target identification with a used gen 1.