THIS IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE TRACTOR REPAIR I'VE EVER HEARD OF
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- A customer wrote in to me to see if I had any good ideas of what he could do with his broken 1025R. The cost to repair is astronomical, and he's already replaced it. Honestly, I don't have any great suggestions, so I'm hoping I can rely on the community here to teach me something-where can someone buy used parts for a modern tractor? Does a place like that exist?
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I've discovered one of the greatest attachments you can buy for a tractor doesn't go ON the tractor, it goes UNDER it. A trailer that will haul it to a place that can do better service than I can give it!
Haha, that's a good point!
The problem is that you don’t know if that’s true😢. So many scammers or incompetent mechanics. If you know a good one, it’s a real blessing and like gold!
So I had a catastrophic failure of the transmission on my 2021 2025R with about 300 hours on it. A big chunk of the transmission case blew out. I'm sure it will be several thousand, but should be warranty, but if not, it will be insured.
Currently at the dealer waiting for them to look at, and determine warranty or not.
maybe an iron axle housing would have prevented that instead of the aluminum that they decided to use for their smaller tractors
why would they use aluminum anyway, using heavier iron instead would also help with rear end ballast weight
just seems like a no-brainer to me
I was moving logs into the firewood processor, had the forks on, had a chain on the front in case i had to pull some out. it came undone. wrapped around my hard hydraulic lines and as i lowered the logs the chain ripped all my 3 hydraulic lines off, bent them. was able to patch it together . Dont have a chain on the front haha. Also snapped my lever for the hydro sta lever on my john deere 4600
Oh man, that would have been painful!
3-point hitch arms were not included when I got the used tractor and I didn't know I should have them. Fortunately the manager at the John Deere store had an extra set in a box and he gave them to me. $900 from John Deere. $250 in the non OEM market.
Kudos to United Ag and Turf for making things right.
When I seen what looked like cast aluminum for an axle housing, could be wrong but aluminum is for lawn mowers. I'm so glad I bought the best tractor "EVER" made in 1993...
hehe, what tractor do ya got?
I made sure to buy cast iron from engine to axle, Yanmar.
I’m always reminded by BH that my time and labor always has a monetary cost to it, even though I’m retired. If the owner wants to just part it out which would be my choice on this age of tractor, I’d be advertising on tractor forums.
If your in Pa or close wengers of Myerstown has parts tractors. They have more farm tractors than the little stuff but they do have compacts.
Nice, thanks for sharing!
If we ever find ourselves not able to find any parts for old bailers and tractors. Our farm relies on the Mennonite and Amish communities up in Pennsylvania. You can extrapolate how difficult it is to find these communities however, given their aversion towards technology (I.e. no websites and non listed phone numbers). My grandfather was our contact and he recently passed, so we’ll see if we can still tap into that pipeline anymore.
Yeah, that doesn't sound like fun
Interesting video! I always do the math to decide whether to repair or replace. If it costs greater than XX% of the price of new, then might better replace.
Definitely, especially depends on how much of my own time is going to be involved.
I wonder how much he’d need for the tractor? Getting that little 1025r and fixing it up would be a great project. Your own labor is free if you were going to keep it. 👍🏼
Look at the bent wheel at 6:23. If that happened prior to the axel brakeing it would be a big indication of where his trouble started. Would take a huge impact to do that which could have started a crack somewhere.
Wow….I google search rear axle failure on JD 1025 and there’s others who had same issue. I guess with the volume they sell that’s expected…..kinda? Pics of snaps JD axles and the core of axles looks like gray popcorn. May be same axles used by others, but that’s garbage at 200ish hours. Stories I read had common theme of loaded rears. Makes ya wonder if those axles just can’t handle weight. Would be shocked if insurance covered a mechanical failure as it broke before the tree collision.
I’m down south and loaded with antifreeze water mix so not too heavy and added weight box on my orange model
The price on tractor parts, especially oem, rivals that of aircraft parts. Not sure, but I expect it's because there are few alternatives, as in the automotive industry, where there is a lot of aftermarket competition. As far as labor goes, $100+ per hour is pretty standard today, as is $6.50 diesel, everything is up and it's going to get worse. I like to do my own work, but with the manufactures requiring you to have a dealer only scan tool to replace simple parts like an alternator (looking at you - big green, but you are not alone), repairing your own stuff is increasingly difficult.
Those are all very good points, thanks for sharing!
Hmm, Thinking back, I thought the Kubota BX tractors were no good, not durable, can’t get much work done etc?
Funny thing though, there sure are a lot of equipment rental places that rent BX series tractors. Because everyone takes such gentle care of a rental…. 🤔
$11,500 to replace the rear end????? That is crazy. I purchased my 1025R is 2020 for about $11,000 (tractor only).
Yeah, prices have definitely gone up a lot the last few years. Couldn't believe MSRP was 18k on it.
This is a drop in the bucket as far as tractor repairs go. Granted this is compact equipment but I have recently rebuilt a hub for a sprayer where the wheel seal is ~$800. One part of the hub is ~$15K.
Any experience with rim straightening services? The 4044m I bought from you might have picked up a heavy load with grapple and slightly bent the rims, mainly noticing at medium and high speeds.
Hmm, no I can't say I've ever had to deal with that. Perhaps an industrial tire shop? A place that works on semi's, that type of place?
Would like to see some close up pictures of the housing break, without actually a close up I would only assume that it is a bad casting on the axle housing. However that does not mean that is the case. Was it all mention if the side with the housing still attached was the initial point of breakage?
Not really sure, I didn't get those details
I was waiting for his asking price on the whole tractor and what region is he in?
Good question, I believe Tennessee if the area code is indicative of his tractor's location. Not sure on his price, depends on what wants to be bought I suppose
Still waiting for you to sell me your M4. I had two previous Kubota tractors and switched to a Deere. I wish I would have stayed with Kubota. You like Deere and I like Kubota how about a new 5065E with cab and 39 hours for you M4 lol
Did you ever mention where this tractor is located??? If so I missed it, could you please disclose that, would make a big difference in my interest. Thank you!
I believe in Tennessee
What I see is the axle shaft broke. This means even though you’re pushing the pedal, the open differential is going to continue to power the broken axle. So you roll backwards until the wheel on the “unbroken” side hits a tree and breaks the axle housing. Too bad it wasn’t in four-wheel-drive or it wouldn’t of rolled backwards and the only fix would be an axle shaft.
Yeah, sure is a bummer. I don't think he mentioned if he was in 4WD or not...would be crazy if it was. Being on those hills, I'd think I'd always be in 4WD.
The other thing I noticed was the heavily bent rim on the right side, and the dent looks to be exactly opposite of the angle of the bent axle. (He also has what looks to be a lot of iron wheel weights, FWIW.) It almost seems like he hit something *really* hard with that right wheel, hard enough to bend both the rim and axle...the axle started free spinning, leading to all traction being sent to that side....and backward he went. The tree caused the axle housing to shear off on the left side.
Pushing the brake pedal engages the differential lock, they probably were just used to using the hydro pedals they didn't think about the brake in time...4wd and the brake pedal would have been the ideal prevention method
At the rate of inflation , It's a thought to keep the damaged tractor just for parts. Those parts may cost 2x in a years time, and at very least you can sell it at an inflated price years down the road.
Steel on the lot is not prone to devaluation like money in the bank, you cant wake up and find it worth a fraction of what it was yesterday.
Very true, I had to go back and look at a video from about 3 years ago on prices I was selling tractors for. A solid 25% more expensive now, some more than that.
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I have a 2014 1025r. If I remember right the 2013 model was the 2026r. JD changed to the 2025r model to be under the tier 4 standards taking effect.
Close. 2011 and 2012 were the 1026r. Changed to the 1025r in 2013.
Sounds like the makings of a new show? Where can you get parts used or new other than John Deere?
Haha, maybe so!
11K is a lot of coin for cheap chinese cast parts in my mind. Seeing made in china stamped all over 1025/2025 tractors turned me off to JD a couple years ago.
Small JD tractors are just toys they are not for real work. ALL JD parts are WAAAY to high. buy a Kubota and never look back
I'm guessing a huge chunk of that is labor, American labor which costs a bit more haha
@@GoodWorksTractors very true that. Of course we don’t use slave or forced child labor either.
I think his best deal is to part it out. Engine alone would bring serious money.
Ouch!
Ha, for sure!
TTWT had an episode that covered insurance coverage you might think about it also looks like several don't know. My help someone out.
Maybe I'll need to round up some insurance agents!
I'm looking to put rear duels on my 1023... Is there anything I will need besides tires and if so, do you sell a kit to do so?
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@@GoodWorksTractors Thank you for the link and reply. I do have one more question... Can all 4 rear tires be loaded or is it best to just have 2 loaded? I only ask for the reason that it may be to much for the axle if having all 4 loaded may be to much weight. May be a dumb question but this is my first tractor and would hate to damage it. Thinking that having all 4 loaded will give added ballast
@@bigbasslake4280 I would only load the inner two, leave the outer two air only. I ran all four loaded and was fine, but that's just me experimenting. I think it realistically puts more stress than needed on the axle.
@@GoodWorksTractors Thanks again. My inner tires are already loaded, Up North Michigan weather. LOL, I will just go with those and be safe not sorry.
The engine alone retails for just north of $9,000. I wish I could afford to go get it, I'd love to have it for spares.
Yeah, I don’t know. I haven’t brought a tractor in for repairs in quite some time but, that seems a bit much to me. Not that I ever needed a repair anywhere close to that extent but even so. I’m sure thankful that I’m not the one dealing with that problem.
Curious as to if a tractor is insured. Would this be covered by said insurance?
Prolly depends on the policy?
I am in Cannon County Tennessee. If the broken tractor is nearby I would like to check it out. Would repair it for him cheaper (half dealer price) or maybe purchase it.
My dealer just stuck some people with that rear input shaft Failure on the 2320 for about nine grand 😮
This is probably weird you ask.
But what kind of boots you wearing?
They look very comfy
Look like Carolinas maybe.
LL Bean...slip on, insulated, decent winter traction. Definitely comfortable.
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@@jamesb2291 thank you. I had no idea Carolina made a slip on. They look like they have a sneaker type soul
@@GoodWorksTractors thank you very much I'll have to look into them
I would have thought that would have been a warranty issue. That low hours, and they didnt warranty, makes me wonder why... Thats a pretty catastrophic failure.
It's a 2013 model year, way out of warranty
@@GoodWorksTractors ahh... Missed that part...
Home owners insurance will not cover tractors i was told by my insurance it would need a specific policy for the tractor (kioti ck2610) something about home owners policies will not cover vehicles?
There is never a shortage of very optimistic people with very little money who will buy any train wreck.
Good point there
Guilty as charged 😂🤣
I would part it out or find one that's wrecked in the front or blown motor!
Just doesn't seem to be a consolidated place to find modern tractor parts like that unfortunately
Statefarm told me it was not covered on my homeowners.
Huge bummer
Yeah, unfortunately, tractors and other equipment usually aren't covered under homeowners insurance unless explicitly added and even then usually for that kind of coverage requires some sort of umbrella policy
How about "Nudging" one of these Front Yard Transformers, moving it about 3 inches while backing up (Of Course). I considered moving it back, but it dumped it's OIL! I'd guess about 3 gallons of nasty black oil comes out. Replacement Cost $5600!
Dang, that's nuts!
Geez, unless you snagged the drain piping that transformer should not have leaked its oil. I have seen them dropped eight feet with only superficial damage. If you had moved it much further you might have crushed the underground conduit and had a whole new experience!
If it was in its first hour why wasn’t it covered under warranty?
The rear housing on these is 1/2 of the tractor. Supply chain to oem is much cheaper. ( logistics) than supply chain repair parts. Some parts from some companies not even listed, as would not have any volume and not be worth the repair. So not astonomical, that tractor is broken very well. Find a guy with a blown engine to make one tractor.
I've got a 2020 2025R with the same situation. I backed into a fence post with a loaded bucket. The 1 and 2 series are not meant to be repaired.
Holy smokes, can't believe that's all it took
It's just that John Deere as a company is extremely anti-repair. They spend millions of dollars every year lobbying against our right to repair our own equipment. It's why, no matter how good their product, I'll never give them my money.
Small John Deere tractors are for light yard use.....plastic hoods, fenders,and even aluminum trans cases says it all.
@@PeeterPuncher made in China, that is really disappointing John Deere, no wonder you’re ceo is making 35 million a year. The older CubCadet compact diesels which were discontinued, rear end housings cast iron housing said made in china. I’ll stick with Kubota! Warning to Bx owners make sure if you’re doing heavy pushing or pulling make sure your in low range. I worked at Kubota dealership since 1980 and have seen hst transmission (catastrophic) failures. Owners admitted they were in high range didn’t know any better hard lesson 6-8 k $$$
Ohhhh Deere, "TYM" for a new tractor.....
yea i had to buy 3 point arms for my tractor , not fun
I did as well, almost $1000 👎👎
Yeah, at least once a month I have someone looking for an alternative to the expensive JD three point arms.
@@GoodWorksTractors i can look thru my purchase history, i ended up finding universal one that worked for me
That would be real helpful.
I ended up going through John Deere, they don't sell the three-point hitch as an entire kit, you basically have to order every individual part
Depending on the dealership, they take part A and that has a jobber rate of X$$. Then they take part B that has a jobber rate of X$$. The fact 80% of the work is the same doesn’t matter, they just hit ya twice!! I actually had that explained to me be 2 industries that use Jobber rate. My own John Deere dealership I use still and my buddy who owns a Ford dealership. Both of them try to be fair and not charge you for the same work twice.
Seeing what was busted, the housing especially, it’s likely that they don’t have one as parts. That’s a piece that will almost never fail,,,, unless rolling backwards down a hill, into a tree at 30 mph!!! 😂. They have probably taken the entire cost of an assembled unit into account, THEN ripped him off with duplicating tasks under jobber rates,,,,,. It would have been nice to see the estimate.
rear trans axle on ebay for 5000.00 for a 1025R
Nice, wonder how many hours of labor involved to swap?
@@GoodWorksTractors dont know but it was a complete unit with the trans , PTO , PTO cover was still on it with low hours and everything looks pretty straight forward. my thoughts are even if it takes 10 to 15 hours that a win..
I still don’t understand what happened and I read the transcript after listening to the video?
Those 3pt arms are in the 2k range from JD, once I seen China knock offs for around 500 bucks. Unbelievable!
So can you add your tractor in on your homeowners insurance?
Good luck selling the parts.
Hopefully he can minimize his losses
That thing broke an axle blow leafs? Something sounds fishy here.
I would assume the issue had started before this task and this just happened to be when it decided to give out.
These modern tractors are not up to par with tractors of 20 years ago. I have a 2007 TC34DA that has taken everything I can throw at it and has exceeded my expectations. When I compare its build quality to modern orange and blue tractors there is no comparison. Today Mfgs take every opportunity to cut costs in order to pad profits. All the while these things have gotten ridiculously expensive.
I have a complete transaxle Id sell for 500 with 150hrs on it
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Of course it broke, it's a small John Deere....Nothing like a real farm tractor.
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idc if it is out warrenty thats hella dangerous, best know id be chewing some a"" at JD
Yeah being a 2013, it was out of warranty for quite awhile unfortunately.
wow, if it were me, id just sell the whole thing as a parts tractor and be done with it if insurance didnt step in, then just go get another....
Take it to Kubota for trade-in value and hope for the best!!
Hehe, well he did buy a new 1025r and was able to reuse the loader. So, saved a chunk there at least!
Was it a John Deere...is all I'm asking...
If it was orange it wouldn’t have happen 🤪
Green junk! What do you expect?
Ouch!!!
Probably most likely to happen to a Mahindra
Ha, seems they are all susceptible.