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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2024
- David Fletcher is back with the next Tank Chat instalment! This week he chats about not one but two vehicles, Spartan and Stormer.
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00:00 | Intro
00:30 | Spartan
05:26 | Stormer
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Hello Tank Nuts! We hope you're enjoying the sun where ever you are - sit back and relax with David Fletcher's new Tank Chat. Let us know what you think.
Im always in awe of David's world famous mustache and his sense of humour. He sounds a bit tired, I hope he's feeling fine. Send my regards to this legend!
I recently visited Armored Weaponry Museum, Poznań, Poland. Saw early stages of development of the PT-91 Twardy. Since these will go to fight I would appreciate Tank Chat about this piece.
Royal Engineers new motto:
canentes res atque nuntius omnia
"Blowing things up and making a mess of everything"
lol. Thanks for another classic from David Fletcher
Wait... I thought that WAS our motto.
'People called Romanes (sic) go the house?'
"The vehicles were also used, now and again, to carry Royal Engineers. Now they would then dismount, go into action, as engineers do, blowing things up and generally making a mess of everything."
LOL Mr. Fletcher is a national treasure. Just weapons-grade snark right there.
LOL! Fond memories of Spartan at 21 Engr Regt in Nienburg, awesome bit of kit for Recce.
As is only appropriate for the war machines he discusses.
@5:50 that's me standing out the cupola of the Stormer. Taken during my 2 year stint at ATDU. Photo taken during a demo at Clouds Hill, Bovy 1982ish
Your 15 minutes of fame !
@@ericgrace9995 🤣
Looking good, Geoff. I see the look on your face and I can relate: If I stopped my vehicle and saw guys jumping out the back, I'd be confused too!
Small, nimble and versatile. A great family of vehicles.
When I fist read this I thought you said “a great family vehicle”. I thought: “yeah, 7 seater, probably pretty safe, mileage might suck though”…
Thank you wonderful people at the Tank museum, including mr. Fletcher. All this material available for us and future generations is priceless. Again, thank you.
01 EE 33: where are you now I wonder?
As sappers we used Spartan as a recce vehicle which meant we only carried 2 or 3 people. In my first tour in Germany our Spartans still had 4.2 litre petrol engines and we once got 100 km/hr out of ours when I was late for an ‘O’ Group on an exercise.
I will never forget the look on the face of the owner of the old green Mercedes as we overtook him on the Autobahn… :)
Don’t think I’d have wanted a fire team of bods in the back though…
I saw my old recce Spartan - 03FF15 - on a trailer near Salisbury Plain, last time I saw her was in Nienburg 1989. Do they change the registration, I hope not.
One thing about the CVR(t) , you'll never see a sad faced driver because it was so much fun to drive. As an APC warrior definitely trumped it, but as a recce car these were king. Loved my time on these in Kosovo and it's a shame they have come to end of life.
Well that was a "blast from the past"!! I'm the vehicle commander, loading a Striker onto a flat bed rail truck. Ludgershall rail head in 1990. I was tasked with providing my troop, GW Tp, B Sqn, 13/18H to help make a training video on how to load and chock down CVR(t) on flat bed rail trucks for BFBS. I knew it existed as a mate in the Yeomanry said he had watched it, but 42 years later is the first time I have ever seen a clip of it.
Sorry, 32 years, not 42 years later - don't want to age too fast!🤣
@@jasondalley4607 It's creeping up on us faster than we like!
The Spartan hull was also used for the Samson recovery vehicle, which had an internal winch and a pair of spades that dropped at the back to stabilise it.
Spartan MILAN carried two ready-to-fire missiles, not four. Striker carried five ready-to-fire Swingfires with another five inside.
The major use of Stormer in the British Army was as a carrier for the Starstreak HVM anti-aircraft missile. The flatbed version was called Streaker and was used for carrying a rapid mine dispersal system. The APC version achived a few export sales, the biggest, IIRC, being to Malaysia, who bought some with twin MG turrets and some with 20mm turrets.
For the Afghan war, some Spartan hulls were fitted with Scimitar turrets to make a more survivable light tank, the extra hull volume allowing them to be fitted with extra belly armour and shock-proof seats, better able to withstand mine blasts.
Thanks for additional information awesome
Quick question, I remember in my Observer's Book of Tanks and Armoured Vehicles, there was a mention alongside, the Scimitar, Scorpion, Spartan, Stormer, Samaritan (Ambulance), Sultan (Command Vehicle), etc. that there was a wheeled version developed for the Malaysian market. Did that make it into production? Or did it go the way of the Ferret 80, prototype only?
Thanks for the info, I knew the Starstreak version, was that not offered to Ukraine?
@@MorristheMinor the only potent vehicle Malaysia has back in the 90s was the 90mm mounted scorpions. That's the fear it's neighbors has of Malaysia of it travelling down fast at 90km/h on pave roads and outflanking you .
Panga armoured car based on the fox for Malaysia.
I served on Stormer HVM. Now it's in a museum. God I feel old...
I spent 3 years repairing Stormer HVM with 12 Regt, now I feel old too!!
It makes me happy, that Mr. Fletcher is doing fine. In previous videos he seemed a bit tired. Looking forward to more awesome comments from him.
Brilliant vehicle when there was only 3 of you! Lovely to drive.
Its overdue that they make him a knight, he's had the MBE for a decade now and he's not getting any younger.
If I ever met him, I'd call him Sir.
In British do knight still have sword and metal cloth?
The soldiers in the back of that thing did not look too happy
Nothing a rousing chorus of _Driving Along In An Army Truck_ wouldn't cure.
As an attached arms radio operator, my vehicle was a SPARTON and it was fitted and used as the command vehicle for the REME LAD. Spent allot of time on this speedy beast. We were meant to have the SULTAN but they didn’t have one in Whole Fleet Management.
All a bit surreal listening to this in July 2022 with no mention of Stormer also being armed with Starstreak missiles and recently been sent to Ukraine to assist in air defence. Maybe they have reasons for the omission.
Probably filmed in advance, could have been made weeks or even months ago.
Always assume the simplest reason: David Fletcher is simply rambling and it shows in the repetition, lack of info overall, and the mistakes he makes.
@@iatsd agreed. He means well, but at the end of the day he has zero military experience with most of the vehicles he talks about
@@GAFloppa it's not the lack of military experience that's important. He can be an expert without that. The problem I have with him is that he's simply not a good presenter at this point. There's no structure to what he says. He's just rambling these days, and he doesn't really deliver much factual information.
@@iatsd I can't help but feel you've missed the point. This is a tank CHAT, not a lecture... other information sources are available. Every presenter has their own style of course, but this is an informal and unstructured delivery at its very core concept.
Finally, us CVRT crew get some loving!
I passed my H vehicle test in a Spartan 👍👍👍
"As engineers do blowing things up."
and making a mess of everything lol
It’s how we roll :)
I have been waiting years to see a CVRT video, so thank you..
I would love to see a longer video detailing the history and development of the Scorpion family.
1 sqn RAF Regiment we used to cram an eight man infantry section in the bstds. Bouncing over sennelager or saultau with the boiling vessel spilling boiling water on your shin's.😂😂😂
I remember that. We deployed next to the RAF regt, I forget where. Woken up early one morning by a pair of scimitars whizzing past us, must have thought they were Jaguars lol. We had Spartan too. AD Javelin detachments. I recall one of your Spartans pulling up near us, and like a clown car, loads of rock apes tumbling out 😁. Must be 40 + years ago.
@@gunner678 yup, had em from about 1981. The Shah of Iran paid for them and we nicked them when the ayatollah took over. Our dopey officers had us in full '58 webbing with tin hat's on in the back. We went to train with the tankies at Wulfenbuttle and they couldn't believe what our glorious leaders were making us do.😱😂
cheers dits
I spent ten years in the REME and never saw these vehicles. Thank you for the info.
Thank you for another excellent video by the master. Especially good with all the little tidbits of information that could be hard to find. Great selection of images, as well.
This man is a national treasure
His eyebrows are a treasure to the world.
Yeah he should be buried
Do you post that on every video featuring Mr. Fletcher??
He’s the grandfather I never had.
Yawn 😴
We first had Spartans delivered to us Engineers in Hameln about 1980 ish. They were fast and fun to drive but we had a hell of a lot of teething problems with them, mostly to do with the Jaguar engines. Particularly with the points which needed resetting often. Would have been a 10 minute job but to get at them the front armour needed lifting and the fire wall taking out. A real pain of a job to say the least. I never saw them with the Cummins engines, That was after my time but I believe it was a huge improvement.
The Belgian Army used the Spartan as the vehicle for the Forward Observer teams of the Artillery (1 driver/radio operator, 1 NCO (assistant FO), 1 Lieutenant (FOO)) and for the Voltigeur teams of the tank battalions (infantry team of the Recce section ).
Nice. The whole CVRT family is greatly underestimated and not, unless you were on the Falklands in 82, appreciated enough. I would love a Samariton as a "Camper Van". Could not afford the fuel though.
diesel
convert to veg
or veg mix
Really enjoyed this. I had no knowledge of these vehicles before this video so very well presented by Mr. Fletcher.
Great little vehicles to drive and maintain. Not as quick as the scimitar but a lot more comfortable.
An IDEAL platform for Brimstone. Cheers for the vid.
David and the moustache? Like clicked.
Dad worked at T'Motors, and he gave me a copy of the paper they published with pictures of the full family, which I think was 7 vehicles.
Thanks again
My dad worked at Alvis machining the hulls on these.
Learned to drive in one of these at bovington, great fun
Looks like a nice all purpose support vehicle.
Bit miffed that Samson didn't get a mention!
"...as Engineers do, blowing things up and making a mess of everything." DON'T JUDGE ME!
I know, everyone mocks, but who do they call when they need a bridge removing, a river crossed, or those pesky IEDs dealt with...
...the rank the pay of a Sapper.
Brilliant quick overview of a multi use chassis, great chat as always by Mr Fletcher. are these currant exhibits , for the remainder of 22. ATVB to all Scott Somerset
I am a simple man I see sir Fletcher I click .
Have you any opinions on the video.
@@Twirlyhead definitely . I found it too short for me. It definitely could go a little longer talking about more features and operations history . However I do not want to exhaust my old gentleman. I am happy he is still around giving us glimpse of the museum collections .
Honestly i love it. It's such practical size. Cummins engine. Seems like something that should be kept as mainstay for decades for UK or others
Appreciate the 9 tiny windshield wipers on the commander copola and drivers viewport
nice bit of kit
There are videos popping up now of the Ukrainians using these beasts in their counter attack they have put these to fantastic use. Thanks for the video
I was a Spartan driver for the Royal Engineers. Best time of my life in Recce Tp.
I must confess to also having an unhealthy obsession with H.E. and "making a mess of things..."
Fletcher talks, we amass
I'm here for the eyebrows
Having ridden in the M113 as a recon scout, with all my kit, it was a miserable existence. I dare say the troops in the back of these wouldn’t have been happy.
I should imagine not. Looking at 0:26, it seems the designers expected soldiers to stay locked into an unnaturally narrow-stanced posture and remain still for long periods while travel jostled them... then simply shrug off the aches and stiffness as they piled out of an armored clown car under combat conditions.
Seriously-- all they had to do was change the official capacity to _three_ passengers. Then it'd reflect the real world and everyone would be off the hook.
Ready for the fight👍
There is video footage somewhere of the Striker version taking out an Iraqi T55 With a Swingfire missile. Anyone have a link ?
This particular name is actually quite awesome.
I remember as a teenager in the seventies reading stuff about how good the Blowpipe AA weapon was. But when they were actually used in the Falklands War they were useless. Wish someone would do a video about this.
They took a lot of training and skill to use properly. Of course, due to budget cuts the training was not available to level required. Thankfully they were replaced.
They were used alongside CVRT and CVRW in the reconnaissance/screen role. The 4 occupant capacity was fine for an OP.
Sounds like a replacement for the WWII carrier platoon
praying mantis :)
very epic tank
got the tank book :)
Beautiful vehicle. I only wish I could afford one.
Stormer HVM starstreak, don't forget that one, it's doing service in Ukraine.
A tank I drove...does this mean I'm old now 😅
Generally making a mess of everything 😁😁
Doing every vehicle except my favorite lol. Scimitar.
hi mr fletcher how time comes opon us was a fan of your knowledge long ago am a grown man now. take care my freind
You know I an getting old when you guys are showing vehicles I used when on exchange with the Blues and Royals. (Household Cavalry)
Would love to tip a pint with Mr Fletcher and hear his stories and bend his ear with a few of my own.
Looks like the perfect vehicle for keeping others clear in peak hour traffic; a tracked estate wagon ! Where can I get one ? ;-)
Woo!
dosent the stormer provide air defence with starstreak aswell.
The like&subscribe bit has become a complete meme at this stage. The director jumps out like a Jack in the Box. I'm hearing a party horn in my head. I am half expecting a confetti explosion every time.
Or it would have become a meme if tank heads were the kind of people that knew how to do memes.
David Fletcher is a national treasure!
Yay, a new David Fletcher video! Thanks.
There is an AFV in the video too.
Didn't cover the Stormer HVM?
Randomly mentions 'Crazy Horse' then leaves without further explanation....🤯😎🤷
Yeah I’d like to know more. (Fires up google).
pretty sure BTM has a video on it
@@AtheistOrphan Look on Armoured Archives channel. Some amazing footage and a full explanation.......
@@thewomble1509 - Thanks for the gen.👍🙂
@@AtheistOrphan No worries.
Those guys at the 1 minute mark don't look too happy being sardined into the back.
But the larger one would be good for the wife taking the kids to soccer games.
Yes, especially if it is pelting down with rain. You could have a snooze in the back, or... l won't say it here!! 😜😜It would carve up the muddy field though.
"Well we got four soldiers and some extra kit in there: that's the good news.
Now does anyone here have a thermal lance or small, man-portable transmat device? We, uh... might need them in a bit."
Perhaps these days, the Stormer and Crazy Horse ideas will be dusted off and reworked for the drone tank projects of the US.
That would be a good idea. Some Hi- Res cameras and a 40mm chain gun or 20mm Gatling gun both with high angle elevation. Possibly a 5m - 8m telescopic pole with a camera for longer range observation and target identification.
In the late 90s they fitted it with a pretty advanced version of STARStreak.
Although retired from service here we've just sent this STARStreak version off to Ukraine for them to knock helicopters and CAS aircraft out.
I think we've yet to hear whether they've been successful.
Ideal for Post Malone Apocalyptic videos.
For the sake of fun can you do a video on the bob simple tank i know none exsest as only 3 tractors were converd in ww2 then converted back so you wouldn't have it but you guys described things that make all the small stuff not boring at all
Wot console quickly taking notes for their next cold war premium.
Why do some vehicles not use track return rollers?
Corrections of food is faster with energy been fotisipadvance , takes longer times
The Spartan is sized just right for David; they should rename it the Fletcher.
Politics killed Stormer, not any inherent problems. A great loss to the armed forces.
What are you talking about? The all-singing, all dancing, size of a bloody house "Ajax" will be in service any decade now...
If they can stop it deafening the crew and make it go uphill faster than a particularly relaxed snail.
Mind you, Ajax will be a very safe vehicle, not because of it's excessive armour but because it's so big that it won't be able to get anywhere near the enemy to do any actual recce without giving the game away so commanders will keep it safely in the rear with the gear.
Confused! Didn't I watch this episode a few days back?????? 🤔
I can just imagine the crampiness for the 7 crew inside that vehicle and other associated luxuries during long trips. Did it have a kettle? A cute Mini Moris on tracks with AT missiles. Was there a variant with a mortar or an AA gun? It should have been a payday but the Sir Moustache's talk should do.
It had a BV. Obviously :)
What is a BV?
@@sealove79able - Boiling Vessel. An essential component of any British armoured vehicle!
@@AtheistOrphan Ah yes thank you. It was also an important addition to the armour protection.
@@sealove79able Boiling Vessel. AKA a kettle :)
What about the Stormer HVM AA?
Huh. I never really thought of TOW as a uniquely American weapon. The acronym is nothing but description of a common design approach and the word has no flair to it, so I figured TOW was a generic technical term. Militaries usually try to evoke or inspire something when naming stuff like that.
:)
Bless you Fletcher. o7
i never understood why they are making a goldf tank 35 cm big, if the goal was to get troops fast from A to B,
but the questions we WANT answered, werent sadly
will it EDC and does it take glock mags?
Ah yes the vehicles used by the original gango of Top Gear.
anybody read devon c fords book series toy soldiers and thats why you needed to know out these apcs
We need a replacement for Scorpion/Scimitar that is a similar size and weight a new light tank is needed really badly
May be the Museum should consider trading their Operational UK tanks that are being deployed into Ukraine now, I'm sure they have some Russian stuff they have recovered. Like the Spartan and Stomer.
Shame David didn’t go into why the army didn’t pick the 113
Re-upload?
I didn't get to the 1st upload fast enough to see it.
I hope David is well. His voice is noticibly weaker than previous Tank Chats.
For the benifit of young people a wireless is a radio.... For the benifit of young people a radio is a......
Sounds lame, what kind of apps does it have?
Soon to be seen on the battlefields of Ukraine.
Already seen there....Spartan was photographed there about a month ago...no sign of Stormer though, suspect they'll be a little camera shy...
What age is mr fletcher
Bearing in mind these vehicles are only just starting to be phased out of service and there are 2 barracks in bovington full of royal armoured corps soldiers within minutes of the tank museum David could have asked about these vehicles in his research on them he's done a poor job here