Given that the title that gave it away, I think you could already tell in the early game when ArtosisMouthAPM took the high ground after Artosis said it was good for Terran that he's sniping.
I don't know why a hopeless player surrenders, fight till the end, so those extra units killed and the attention the enemy has to invest on you plays against your executioner.
Not just that, so much of what brought down fail_god was him being targeted by the cheater when Artosis said that it was between the two terrans based on tech/army/map position. Evidence of such involves all the skrims between the cheeter and fail_god over the center base and all the wraith strikes on fail_god. I mean look at how many turrets fail_god built at one of his last mining bases. For a while it felt like the cheeter had the absolute upper hand but he was either waiting for Arty to tell him what to do to win or he was just a shit player who cheated his way to a position where he couldn't win and could only lose by taking initiative on his own (as guided by the mouth apm of arty)
@@cidiousblack2136 Good point! I think the yellow terran (fail_god) would definitely have been stronger against the last remaining Protoss, considering that he had a strong mech army, had white not screwed him over. Considering that the cheating white terran left, I suspect that he did so deliberately just to mess with the other two. That or the other reasons you stated.
@@seawingo I think white cheater left to avoid getting banned because he knew he fucked up and was just going to get shamed/banned if he played for the win with the advantage he had. The chat hate was so strong that even though Artosis wanted to be merciful the chat was out for blood and wanted appeasement. Resigning would end the game faster which Artosis was complaining about. And let the chat enjoy a bit of the end, thus the cheater fell on his word to prevent a ban. When I talk about it like that it kind of sounds like Roman politics.
@@ЭУвеличеев Ya do you play BW? When you hear that notification you’re basically in the same mental state as realizing you’re being chased by a serial killer. You don’t think properly. Also, he had a huge perimeter to patrol and he didn’t even look at any other place. You can tell this by his unit movement. Also when you try to nuke you generally go to place that is hidden and not directly right on, once again leading to the mental breakdown a person who isn’t cheating feels at this moment. Yet the scan is so close to the ghost the blue magic dust touches the ghost... Ya okay... That was totally legit!
Love how last FFA Arty got all mad about people accusing of stream sniping then the very next FFA he has an obvious sniper and realizes how bad it makes it... lol but GG anyway
It was huge mistake of WHITE to bother neighbours in the begining of the game, instead of quiet occupation of the center and creating reliable defence.
If anything bother one neighbor after your wall is secure. Odds are one or both of your two neighbors attack you no matter what; so better to have one of them on the rocks and attacking you early than to risk facing two neighbors hitting you at their timed moment back to back. But yes, inviting both neighbors to come visit with the shit wall he had was awful. I guess given how unaware the other players were of the center it would have been ideal to play possum, but how do you predict that no one scouts/moves on mid when the map preview shows it to be a honey pot?
@@cidiousblack2136 person with 3 expoes needs quiet period of time in order to convert economical advantage into militaty advantage. Anyway WHITE had already tank positions for closing 2nd expo of each neighbour, and could use it at any convenient moment
Heh.... "Youre not gaining a huge advantage by stream cheating in ffa." "Oh what thats not fair he knew because he was watching the stream and could see everything."
It's too bad nukes are completely worthless against a stream sniper. I could see why there are no zerg on this map. Choke points are terrible for zerg and the lack of expansions really hurts zerg too. Definitely a terran favored map.
I'm very suspicious of how quickly green protoss killed the streamsniper's base after artosis mentioned it (You can see it on the minimap, it was like he was reacting to artosis saying it). Was he streamsniping too?
@@dutubsucks Good point... I guess there are no good solutions. If the mouth piece didn’t say anything it’s impossible to catch him. Pretty much makes Phantom pointless because you know there’s ALWAYS going to be a couple cheaters in an 8 man game.
what if arty reviews a chat-replay ? ie: he leaves them to play, then gets the replay, and watches that with the chat to analyse the game; he can't influence the game in either case, and then stream cheaters can't do anything.
Damn i like this concept so much, but i hate stream snipers play this for win with "cheat" ... Artosis you need to make some changes with rules of FFA please !!
Is is possible, while streaming, to delay the stream... with let's say 30 minutes - the content will be buffered locally, before being sent to the streaming service (twitch). This will prevent stream sniping, because when watching the stream at any moment, you will see what was happening 30 minutes earlier.
That's the best solution but that means Artosis would have to change the format of these streams into more of a pre planned show because I think Artosis enjoys seeing chats reaction and answer questions about the match in real time and if theres a big delay like that then he would have to treat it like a solo cast which might not be as fun for the viewers.
If the map is uncovered for the YT VOD I guess that's cool, but I feel like especially early game it's hard to figure out what part of the map Artosis is looking at without the minimap.
Lol funny map! I haven’t watched yet. I will say that I do like it better when Arty doesn’t play. Of course I enjoy him playing in these, however when he dies we don’t have the advantages of him being an observer (seeing mineral count for example). It makes the rest of the game less enjoyable to watch when he dies. Just my two cents!
eh I think the opposite. usually you have less skilled players who masses battlecruisers and 1a2a3a's them into the opponent and loses at the end. Seems more exciting with good players who won't just sit there
When he does play, it is the main feature of the video for me, outweighing observer advantages if he dies. Is there a work around? Alternating between observing one game and playing another is good for variety.
I think Phantom Mode would be a bit more fun to watch compared to these FFA's. I love the concept of the FFA's, but all the energy gets sucked out when someone cheats. Though for Phantom, you should hide the resource count until it's pretty clear who the phantom is, so stream cheating doesn't even matter.
No Zerg? I guess Arty doesn't want everyone to find out about how OP Ultra + Devo is.
I got that joke :D
imagine cheating in a public free for all lmao
gotta win at all costs in the extremely high stakes match, the prize is 30 seconds of clout with artosis's neanderthal intellect chat
It's a video game for boomers.
@@jackpowell8155 i feel like im the only zoomer who knows about this game lol
@@empty5013 What do you mean? Guys in the chat truly collectively form the epithome of high esteem and cultured company.
30:07 for detection on stream watcher
How'd they figure it out?
@@harizotoh7 just click the time stamp lol
Given that the title that gave it away, I think you could already tell in the early game when ArtosisMouthAPM took the high ground after Artosis said it was good for Terran that he's sniping.
@@harizotoh7 The guy replied in the game to what Artosis said the moment he finished his sentence.
thanks for this series it's so wonderful
I don't know why a hopeless player surrenders, fight till the end, so those extra units killed and the attention the enemy has to invest on you plays against your executioner.
Such a lame thing to streamsnipe, the blue terran could've made it much further had he not been screwed over by the streamsniper
he's a mod, agreed. seems like a cool guy
Not just that, so much of what brought down fail_god was him being targeted by the cheater when Artosis said that it was between the two terrans based on tech/army/map position.
Evidence of such involves all the skrims between the cheeter and fail_god over the center base and all the wraith strikes on fail_god. I mean look at how many turrets fail_god built at one of his last mining bases.
For a while it felt like the cheeter had the absolute upper hand but he was either waiting for Arty to tell him what to do to win or he was just a shit player who cheated his way to a position where he couldn't win and could only lose by taking initiative on his own (as guided by the mouth apm of arty)
@@cidiousblack2136 Good point! I think the yellow terran (fail_god) would definitely have been stronger against the last remaining Protoss, considering that he had a strong mech army, had white not screwed him over.
Considering that the cheating white terran left, I suspect that he did so deliberately just to mess with the other two. That or the other reasons you stated.
@@seawingo I think white cheater left to avoid getting banned because he knew he fucked up and was just going to get shamed/banned if he played for the win with the advantage he had.
The chat hate was so strong that even though Artosis wanted to be merciful the chat was out for blood and wanted appeasement.
Resigning would end the game faster which Artosis was complaining about. And let the chat enjoy a bit of the end, thus the cheater fell on his word to prevent a ban.
When I talk about it like that it kind of sounds like Roman politics.
Can someone please tell me why Artosis randomly selects and unselects units and terrain nonstop? It makes the streams unwatchable for me. Thank you.
@42:39 He knows where the nuke is because the stream.
It was most probable location of ghost, becase that was direction to the nearest terran enemy base.
@@ЭУвеличеев Ya do you play BW? When you hear that notification you’re basically in the same mental state as realizing you’re being chased by a serial killer. You don’t think properly. Also, he had a huge perimeter to patrol and he didn’t even look at any other place. You can tell this by his unit movement. Also when you try to nuke you generally go to place that is hidden and not directly right on, once again leading to the mental breakdown a person who isn’t cheating feels at this moment.
Yet the scan is so close to the ghost the blue magic dust touches the ghost... Ya okay... That was totally legit!
@@canag0d i've played a lot of ffa. My nick was PUPO.
@@ЭУвеличеев Good for you... You’re probably the cheaters RUclips account trying to justify his actions.
@@canag0d i am not cheater. I only used to jerk cpu enemy's probes in 1v1v6c game
Love how last FFA Arty got all mad about people accusing of stream sniping then the very next FFA he has an obvious sniper and realizes how bad it makes it... lol but GG anyway
is it just me or do remastered graphics make it incredibly hard to differentiate whose units is whose?
I actually love maps like this. Wish they would utilize this kind of clever map making in pro tournaments.
It was huge mistake of WHITE to bother neighbours in the begining of the game, instead of quiet occupation of the center and creating reliable defence.
If anything bother one neighbor after your wall is secure. Odds are one or both of your two neighbors attack you no matter what; so better to have one of them on the rocks and attacking you early than to risk facing two neighbors hitting you at their timed moment back to back.
But yes, inviting both neighbors to come visit with the shit wall he had was awful.
I guess given how unaware the other players were of the center it would have been ideal to play possum, but how do you predict that no one scouts/moves on mid when the map preview shows it to be a honey pot?
@@cidiousblack2136 person with 3 expoes needs quiet period of time in order to convert economical advantage into militaty advantage. Anyway WHITE had already tank positions for closing 2nd expo of each neighbour, and could use it at any convenient moment
Bro keep these coming. 100% subscribed for these videos and your commentary.
map looks god tier
Heh....
"Youre not gaining a huge advantage by stream cheating in ffa."
"Oh what thats not fair he knew because he was watching the stream and could see everything."
Please please how do we get involved in the next one, I would love to play
It's too bad nukes are completely worthless against a stream sniper. I could see why there are no zerg on this map. Choke points are terrible for zerg and the lack of expansions really hurts zerg too. Definitely a terran favored map.
If this map had a handful more expansions on the outer rim I think it would be a lot better
Pretty sure my dad plays against AI on this map.
APM most def cheated. glad he left, terrible map for zerg i think they wouldve got wiped the fastest. more a terran map. NICE ONE artosis
I'm very suspicious of how quickly green protoss killed the streamsniper's base after artosis mentioned it (You can see it on the minimap, it was like he was reacting to artosis saying it). Was he streamsniping too?
I thought it was an unwritten rule that everyone tuned into the stream during these matches. Too many suspicious things happening in these games.
I've actually played on Black Lotus, zealot recalled my brother and he refuses to play BW with me anymore lol
Fuck toss
Artosis create a delay of about a minute in your stream to the game, that way stream watching becomes a lot less valuable.
Makes it impossible for him to interact with chat though...
@@dutubsucks Good point... I guess there are no good solutions. If the mouth piece didn’t say anything it’s impossible to catch him. Pretty much makes Phantom pointless because you know there’s ALWAYS going to be a couple cheaters in an 8 man game.
what if arty reviews a chat-replay ? ie: he leaves them to play, then gets the replay, and watches that with the chat to analyse the game;
he can't influence the game in either case, and then stream cheaters can't do anything.
@@canag0d Ban the cheaters from the twitch. Then let chat decide their fate.
How can I join? What time will you hold this event in America?
he holds these every now and then on the korean server
game name is always a5, password is always 5
WE need all random
Artosis you play any UMS maps for fun?
Does tosis do anything to hinder or prevent stream sniping?
failgod would've won if not for the cheater. too bad, he deserved it most.
Damn i like this concept so much, but i hate stream snipers play this for win with "cheat" ... Artosis you need to make some changes with rules of FFA please !!
00:18 I knew artosis is a jesse Lee Peterson fan !!!
We all know the series finale will be Primeval Isles.
Is is possible, while streaming, to delay the stream... with let's say 30 minutes - the content will be buffered locally, before being sent to the streaming service (twitch). This will prevent stream sniping, because when watching the stream at any moment, you will see what was happening 30 minutes earlier.
That's the best solution but that means Artosis would have to change the format of these streams into more of a pre planned show because I think Artosis enjoys seeing chats reaction and answer questions about the match in real time and if theres a big delay like that then he would have to treat it like a solo cast which might not be as fun for the viewers.
@@gvulture1277Just a 20 second delay would be enough for a nuke to land, dt rush to work (enemy not getting detection) etc.
Maybe cover minimap for the streamed FFAs, then while Atro is panning around it would be harder for a stream sniper to get intel while still playing
If the map is uncovered for the YT VOD I guess that's cool, but I feel like especially early game it's hard to figure out what part of the map Artosis is looking at without the minimap.
This is also a map in sc2.
This map is actually interesting, I like it.
More of this
Black Lotus eh? MtG reference perhaps?
does artosis hate all the maps?
Always exciting to watch since my computer doesn’t have internet
Bruh, he's not only stream sniping, he is LITERALLY HACKING! Look at 12:05, he unloads FOUR tanks out of a drop ship! You can only fit 2 max!
I think there is 2 dropship one over the other
No zerg is pretty lame, although they have only one 1 of these ffas
98 maps are the best
Among us is the UMS changeling, not phantom Artosis...get your UMS history right!
Lol funny map! I haven’t watched yet.
I will say that I do like it better when Arty doesn’t play. Of course I enjoy him playing in these, however when he dies we don’t have the advantages of him being an observer (seeing mineral count for example). It makes the rest of the game less enjoyable to watch when he dies. Just my two cents!
Agreed. And he should put a 30 second delay on the stream to atleast hinder stream snipers abilities.. unless he does already haha
eh I think the opposite. usually you have less skilled players who masses battlecruisers and 1a2a3a's them into the opponent and loses at the end. Seems more exciting with good players who won't just sit there
@@Animefightforum There isn’t a delay because Arty says something and the players respond immediately. I do think a delay is a good idea.
@@Ulve124 Not sure how your comment is relevant to the topic?
When he does play, it is the main feature of the video for me, outweighing observer advantages if he dies. Is there a work around? Alternating between observing one game and playing another is good for variety.
Damn that map sucks
Has artosis ever played supcom? Given he's terran it seems like his cup of tea.
HI DAD
I think Phantom Mode would be a bit more fun to watch compared to these FFA's. I love the concept of the FFA's, but all the energy gets sucked out when someone cheats.
Though for Phantom, you should hide the resource count until it's pretty clear who the phantom is, so stream cheating doesn't even matter.
artosistv, falconpaladin, jinjin5000
all the channels i need, iam all set, gtfo : D
bunkersats op.
Artosismouth shouldnt have expanded.
wow.. that was actually pretty fun! ;) thanks for hosting man. Fuck the cheater!
you should ban the players for watching the stream
oof
Stream cheater? #Avilo
I lose to day nine bro so funny it so funny