Prospecting for gold using MAGNETS.....!?
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- Gold panning or prospecting for gold using magnets? Does it make sense? Is gold magnetic? How can you use magnets to find gold. Well.... No, gold is not magnetic. No, gold is not attracted to magnets. However you can still use magnets to find gold, or to recover gold, by using them to attract the black sands that always deposit with the gold. In this video I use a magnetic separator to refine my gold concentrates making it MUCH easier to get the gold.
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Don’t let the keyboard prospectors and armchair miners get you down Dan. Just forget about what they say. They are a small percentage. The majority of us REALLY enjoy every video and I encourage everyone to tell Dan how cool this channel is and tell him how much we appreciate it. This is a really special channel Dan and I totally understand how hard it is to do this. You are very good at it. We stand with you.
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Those who have very little knowledge about a thing are often the ones who are loudest in judgment. Dan is highly educated in many areas, yet, is incredibly humble and grateful.
I'm a pretty good rockhounder, and I appreciate your knowledge of all minerials, and the knowledge of k..nowing where to find great rocks and minerals . If we worry about what idiots say, then we would be held prisoner. Your a great, kind, intelligent person and I love this channel.
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This is the only guy who I don't immediately think they spiked the bag off camera. Dan Hurd is 💯 . Never mined but my 4 year old daughter and I love your videos.
I can trust him with my social security number
Me too!!!
Truth. 💯💎💎💎
You'll never see me spike a pan on CGT Prospecting Adventures.
I am really proud to have been able to help Colter design this, from a vision of his first Magic Bit Mini. These will sell themselves.
are the magnets using there edge or the main face N or S. ? the n edge has the most potential for influence.
Yo dan , did I recommend the magnet thingy to you , like last year. Told you its cool. I saw it on klesh guitar pic
@@EnergyTRE just join their team already
@@Maxim.Teleguz that's a thought.
Wondering why you designed it with Chinese lettering on the control board. Chinese individuals are not allowed to prospect for gold, unless you are looking at an untapped market in BC?
I hope you keep doing what you are doing, no matter if people say it is good or bad. Your own passion is all that matters.
And also, he is awesome
I remember posting the question if magnets could separate those iron sands and pyrites and stuff from the rest of the stuff to make things easier. Glad to see that I was on the right track!
Several years ago a professor told me if I took the hematite portions and heated them to a certain temperature, then quickly removed them and dumped them in ice water, they would mostly become magnetic. Nor sure if that would be economic, but does anyone know approximately what that heated temperature should be? If the heating could be done by a large magnifier under the sun, it might be worth trying. Also, once the gold has been mostly removed, what is still in the remaining black sands? There may still be some PGM's or even rare earth metals that may be economic to one day remove, so I would tend to save everything in a separate marked container, even after the gold were removed.
Would like to have seen how much of the gold caught up in the magnet and "dry"iron mix would have fallen out if gravity was allowed to do what it does best if turned upside down , but in a wet mix "most" gold would be trapped to truly prove the point .
I've been using one of these separators for nearly a year and am VERY pleased with it. It works!
Love your videos. They are always informative and entertaining.
Glad you like them!
When I got my first pan, the first thing I did was add two small powerful magnets to the inside and out of the bottom of my pan. I would pan both the ferrous and non ferrous. Worked like a charm using some of Dan Hurd's cool panning techniques. Not with the ease of this new separator though. cool!!
Magnet mining for gold was the first method I was taught 30 plus years ago in the White Mountains of NH. Love your content as a hardrock miner.
As a young rockhound, in my day stuck in southern Alberta where there is nothing but clay and mud for the most part, I love how educational and fun your vids are. Thank you to you and your family.
Research ammolite
@@gogetteroutdoors5451 Oh I knew of it, did find dino bones with ammolite like areas in some of those mudstones, but just on vertebrea and some shells, but nothing great.
I have wanted someone to do a video on this for a long time. I can't wait to see what you show us...just starting now. I have always figured gold pans could have magnets in the back of the pan to pull back the ferrous stuff while panning
Just a thought, ANY metal including gold can be picked up by an electromagnet that alternates it's polarity rapidly. This induces eddy currents and makes the metal stick to the electromagnet despite the metal not normally being attracted to magnets.
Not really. While you can induce a current, it doesn’t make most non-magnetic metals magnetic themselves. There is a definite difference .
Magnets and their resulting eddy currents do interact with nonferrous metals, but it won't make them temporarily magnetic...they just have more drag when they go through a field. It's possible that with enough eddy current generation in the right manner, you could use that drag to throw some of that gold over the hump, but the field is rather small and switching polarity fast enough that it wouldn't happen in this case. Older tachometers and speedometers used eddy currents to move a needle by using the drive cable to rotate a permanent magnet around an aluminum cup, and the resulting eddy current was enough to overcome a very weak calibrated spring tension...so the force is definitely there to pick up gold and move it, but at the same time, the eddy current produced is a constant force and polarity...not alternating at a high frequency as this device does.
You talking about the Lenz effect ?????
@@rodmills4071 Lenz's law is what explains the drag forces behind eddy currents, which itself is a subset of the law of induction.
@@akakscase Wrong. A video demo of an electromagnet magnet attracting gold is called "Gold magnet!".
Dan - you're the man! I enjoy all your videos! You always have something to share and educate the rest us about mining, prospecting, gold recovery, and semi-precious gems. Thank you for that. Please don't stop educating the rest of us! Love that dry magnetic separator.
I just wanted to express my gratitude to you Dan. You have taught me so much! Because of you and your videos im growing as a prospector. Thank you for all the hard work you do and the knowledge you keep sharing!!! Your awesome.
Colter has some nice items that I could see going far with large operations!! I enjoy using my separator and it does make it easier to pan out and even when I use my clean up sluice and it does not get filled with heavy black sands.
I have Colter's prototype Rollie Pollie. Great design!!! I'm glad to see this thing of his finally getting the credit and recognition it deserves. WAAAAY better than another well known magnetic separator on the market.
Some people have to disagree for the sake of arguing. My wife and I love your videos. Finding gold never gets old. Just your aching joints.
Claro, that is a good idea. Here we have magnetic black sands, at the Mediterranean coast.
Neat machine! Doesn't seem fit for large con runs but if they made a slightly larger one that's a really cool idea!
Also, if you aren't doing anything wrong don't even bother trying to prove the nitpickers wrong. You haven't shown any reason to need to prove yourself to them. Your smart, experienced, and humble 99% of the time in your videos. They just want a reason to complain.
Great video as usual Dan!
Half a cup, walk away, half a cup, walk away. Before you know it, you got a couple jars full that you can go through later. Not a bad little tool imo
They do have larger versions but they are really large (like washing machine large) and are normally using water to separate. It does go pretty quick but they are big and expensive and need a large amount of water.
What a great machine , im sure it's way to expensive for people starting out but definitely something I will keep my eye on ..... great video and technique teaching 👏
I just made myself a nice slab of salmon with a side of broccoli and garlic bread, sat down to see if anything good was on the tube and saw a fresh Dan Hurd video. Life is good!
Dan, for someone in their late 70’s your an inspiration to everyone in their 70’s and 80’s.
Всё верно, уважаемый Dan.
Вчера только разговаривал с Индонезией о том, что у них в чёрном шлихе золота может быть больше, чем в самородках. У них действительно очень много шлиха. Они очень удивились. Сегодня покажу им ваше видео. Вот им будет наука!
Большое спасибо. Я ваш давний подписчик.
Успехов вам.
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It was interesting, keep it up as you are. Those who criticize you likely have never panned anything in their lives, or even gotten off the couch. I watch your video's start to finish, always willing to expand my own knowledge. Continue to correct yourself as well, I hate being wrong, if I am I will correct myself. It's good to show that everyone makes mistakes. A good person corrects themselves as you do. I don't comment often, but when I do it's the truth from my perspective good or bad... have a good one Dan
I love that you read the comments people leave you still even after you’ve gotten so big! Colter from Mining Magnets is a stand up guy. He’s local to me and always working on new stuff!!
Klesh has a video using a magnet to pull black sands out of the stream using that tendency of gold to get caught up in it. He then goes through the magnetics to find the gold. Interesting way of mining.
I bet that Shane Klesh would like that machine . He has the channel Klesh and does gold prospecting at home videos . It is a really neat machine Dan . 👍👍👍
What I want to see is some sort of contraption that Dan manufactured himself for the sake of isolating the gold from his concentrates. It would be interesting to see what he comes up with.
no time for that sorry
@@Danhurd BUT.... IF you had time, we ALL would be interested in what you would come up with, IM sure it would be a winner !!
@@Danhurd I understand, I just have ideas swirling around in my head like strategically placing magnets in a sluce to capture magnetic black sand and using that as a dynamic alternative to miner's moss. I'm sure that greater minds have considered something along this line and dismissed it as insufficient, but it still makes me wonder what an actual prospector would concoct to address their own challenges. Either way, loved the video!
Vibrating pinwheel. Would be interesting to see results vs a pan I think. Even just a normal pinwheel.
@@Scott93312 In Australia they use detectors that find gold. Their picks axes have strong magnets on the tips that will pull up any rubbish and sometimes if your in Wester Australia ( Around Kargoolie ) it picks up
" hot rocks " magnetic iron rock, sometimes they may contain aluvial gold veins that you can crush to separate the gold from the rocks. I have never heard of people " detecting for gold " in the US. Why? Other magnetic minerals that can be found with a magnet can also be " species " pronounced spe- she- s. They are highly valuable and sought after! They are usually easy to find with not just a detector but also a magnet.
I have actually seen a 78 oz and a 42 oz nugget found 10 meters apart and both found in a 75 min period.
Is this not used in the US?
I have also seen several hot rocks that were cut in half and found to have pure gold inside! Now prospectors are not so quick to discard them. If they find these hot rocks are quite dense or very heavy, they keep them to cut open.
Hey! The dry magnet separator was 3-D printed. That's pretty new fangled!
As always Dan, I keep learning so much when watching you, and I smile a lot too. I think both are important.
Got me to thinking if there was a way to separate gold and other non ferrous metals from concentrates using an eddy current and perhaps some sort of drop tube or something once the magnetic portion is removed. The theory being the gold would be slowed down going through the eddy current while the non-metallics would fall unimpeded. Or on a vibratory plate, where the non-metallics would bounce around more energetically and bounce off the plate while the metallics would be dampened by the resistance from the eddy current and stay on the plate. That separation, if capitalized on, could potentially classify gold out of concentrates entirely.
That's a smart idea and I've considered similar procedures myself. I experimented using copper filings. What I found was while copper is strongly inductive (as is gold), the ability to induce force using a magnetic field is not apparent in fine particles. Even pouring the filings directly over the magnet produced no noticeable change in velocity (I used large N52 grade magnet). I'm not sure what size piece starts to become resistant to movement in a magnetic field but I expect it is far larger than you would need a machine to separate.
@@nathanegbert977 Well, theoretically speaking, the size of the object is irrelevant in regard to how much drag it sees from an eddy current, sort of like how the same countering forces between inertia and gravity balance themselves out regardless of mass. Maybe it has more to do with how saturated the flux lines that the conductive particles are flowing through, or perhaps the nonconductive particles are just overwhelming the drag effect when colliding into the conductive particles, or a combination of both. It could be that in order to get any meaningful separation, an extremely dense electromagnetic field would be required...which may rule out the idea for a hobby prospector.
@@Skinflaps_Meatslapper I don't know much about theory but concentrating the field seems worth looking into. There's ways to do that using magnet arrays or ferrous shielding. I can make an iron clamshell but I'm certainly not going to attempt an array. The magnets I have were built for a wind turbine and thus have deep field which is not ideal for this experiment. 10 cubic inch N52 is a scary thing to play with. It's good practice to not even have two of them in the same room. Trying to get four of them into an array? Yeah, not me. If I was pursuing this further, I'd get four 1/2" x 1/2" x 1" and force them into an array. Then drop a stream of filings through the concentrated field and look for drag. If it works, it should be obvious and you can scale up from there. But the short of it is, I don't live near gold. I pan a bit while rafting rivers. So good luck and maybe you discover the next gen separator.
Probably the best separator I have seen yet uses a tank of water and a fairly weak magnet to separate the magnetics. By pouring in the cons at a specific point it pulls the magnetics without actually clumping them up. This allows the non-magnetic material to fall into one bin, and the magnetics to fall into another. It was extremely effective and could be used at an industrial scale.
Also, and I know Dan has a very limited time to talk about this type of stuff, but remember that no all gold is completely iron free, and some can still be caught by a magnet.
Dan, Try to pull the magnetic material like you did first, the run it through the machine. Just wondering how it would work. Since you are testing.
You could run just what the handheld magnet accidentally traps through the magnet separator maybe, and pan all the rest normally. Would that be even faster?
Not a terrible idea but your still just asking for clumps to already be mixed in when you throw it in. Not sure how well It would separate magnetic clumps.
Yes, very good deduction man. However, consider that the concentration at hand is classified by gravity/weight therefore the magnetite is much larger than the micron gold. The heavy gold will settle by gravity throughout the entire matrix of the larger magnetite. Statistically the more prevalent but smaller micron gold will tend to stay with the magnetic material. Interestingly, is that applying your concept to a wetted matrix would likely have a greater result than with the dry concentrates.
The question I have at this point of classification, whether wet or dry is: What is the composition of the magnetite? Which metals or elements are contrained in the magnetics. If the zinc content is low and the iron content is high: Why not dissolve the magnetite in Hydrochloric acid? Do a few muriatic acid hot soaks and pour through a coffee filter. Why not take the solids from the filter and dissolve them in aqua reg? Maybe? 5 parts muriatic to 1 part nitric on a hot plate should put the gold in suspension, the liquid state. When the solids are gone and the suspension is orange yellow translucent the gold can be precipitated out of suspension using sodium metabisulfate. I suspect that most magnetites are difficult to dissolve but crushing them should solve that problem. Cheers
Thanks for keeping the cold months interesting Dan. 🏁
You bet
What a great birthday present Dan! this vid is AUesome! 35 years young! its actually 70 degrees here in central ny in the beginning of march....think i may go dig a bag! Thanks for the upload Dan the Man with the Beard lol. Glad to see its back!
Happy birthday!
@@Danhurd Thank you Dan! Keep up the great work! I'd love for you to go back to garnet beach and get a few bagillion more! they are so purdy!
I love how you can make a simple panning vid entertaining, love your content
I'm a new prospector in this field and I'm glad to come across your channel first. Professional advice in a lighthearted manner of teaching is a relaxing way to learn faster. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
A lot of people think that magnets attract gold, but they don't, they only work on ferrous metals, ie iron based. But it is helpful to g separate the black iron sands from the gold. These black sands are also fairly heavy and where they accumulate, so does the gold. Nice video, though.
I used to belong to the GPOC(gold prospectors of colorado). I find your video of great interest and you give a fun presentation. Thanks.
First timer here. Thoroughly enjoyed this video and because of this information you have shared with me I too am now the wiser. Thanks Mister for allowing that knowledge to flow right through you into myself and countless others. Thx again 😎
Cool video. Sure like that machine. Would've been nice to seen that before I bought a Miller table , looks more fun to watch and play with lol. You should do another video on some dallasite being cut or something. A little variety on some rocks like agates in there too. Those red skins are pretty when cut.. anyways always love seeing the gold tho and that picture stone..
2 things. 1) your magnetic waste is great for killing moss that grows in grass. 2)add the magnetic waste to your scrap steel recycling. Just some ideas.
That’s a great little machine Dan
I've used it to make crucible steel in the past, it's surprisingly pure and easy to refine compared to the iron ore that's normally used.
05.40 here in Glasgow Scotland 🏴
I have learned so much about prospecting from you. You educate and entertain us at the same time. Keep that sense of humor and ignore those who don't get it and make rude comments.
Like the 3D printing and how it is making its way to gold mining. Great video.
I just stumbled on this channel and have never done this hobby, but...I really like this guy.
If the speed controller is set to high or fast, it will miss some magnetics. I start and test my first run around 12vlt
My problem is i always pan my cons right when i get home cause i get too excited. No bucket of cons left to play with on a snowy day in my garage!
That's the coolest thing that Coulter is ever came out with his dry and wet separator something that I'm definitely looking forward to getting into near future and also after seeing your bag of Pay dirt there in the beginning that looks fun I'm going to go over and check your website out lol 😆👍 I'm going to get one lol
Very cool
I just noticed that I put is instead of has lol sorry if some of my comments don't make sense I have nerve damage in my left hand so I use speak text instead of trying to text with one hand lol 😆
6:03 in Texas here
Great video! Looks like mining magnets also has some equipment that's usable in water. I'm still learning about panning, and whether people try this method or not, I think it would be really cool to try.
Have you ever heard of a Franz Magnetic Separator before? This little separator is a very crude small example of a Franz. However, the Franz separates most all minerals, including gold and other economical minerals.
I used one when I worked for the US Geological Survey as a lab technician.
There wasn't 400,000,000,000 pieces of gold, I counted 400,000,000,003 pieces 😀
NO 4 BILLION AND 7! 👍
Funny I counted and could only come up with 399,999,999,999 and I counted 3 times.
@@garymurt9112 how long did that take? :)
You can separate individual gold atoms, from other material, by using a mass spectrometer.
Unfortunately, mass spectrometry isn't used on an industrial scale to sort significant (economic) numbers of atoms yet.
I have one.....just don't have the technology to see the gold!
Ignore the skeptics Dan. You make great videos. Very informative. Keep up the good work.
Much appreciated
Love those layer lines on that. Good 3d print.
Dan you must see the blue table chris from vo gus uses for black sands, his black sands are non magnetic and he has this table that is amazing at removing them from gold. Much faster than what you just went through.
Cool name,
I thought it was too loud. However, the end result was pretty spectacular!
It is oud because I have the camera microphone 1" away from it.
Fun stuff, I’d love to do some prospecting for fun, but I think it’s slim pickins’ here in C Mass
Just seeing the title made me happy that I figured it out before seeing the video lol
Why don’t they have magnetic gold pans?
why would you? it's just like Dan said in this video: together with the magnetic blacksand a lot of the gold will get caught.
Actually you could use a metal goldpan, add a magnet underneath and here is your magnetic pan. but no-one does that.
2:15. Dan’s flexing on us! 😂
Hi Dan.
I think it was Klesh, he kept chucking a magnet in the creek to get the black sand and find gold. It worked better than I expected. Of course he would have gotten more gold doing it traditionally but that's not the point.
I've never looked for gold before, but I absolutely love Dan Hurds videos, and someday I'll go find a pan full of gold. But not yet. Someday though. 😁 👍 ❤️
Hi Dan, really enjoyed the video and will probably pick up one of these magnetic separators. I have a question for you have you ever used a Shaker tables to separate the heavies and the gold from the black sand?
Hey Dan, I LIKE watching the very last bit of clean up, its so VERY satisfying for some reason...lol
I got so excited that I was shaking the tablet along with you!!!
Can you use a magnet to clean up your pan? Seems to me when you finish the pan and have that nice rim of gold on the edge you could pull all the magnetics out of the center.
Yes you can!
I had been thinking about a process that's almost Identical, instead of a rotating magnet, use an electromagnet. Gold would be classified to the same property as copper , and aluminum. It's called Diamagnetic. Theres a fun experiment using a small copper tube and a magnet (those super magnets even work better) that just fits inside of the tube. You drop the magnet inside the tube and you will notice a difference between just dropping a magnet and dropping a magnet inside the copper tube. Its a difference in speed. A magnet has a magnetic field and when it moves when in a tube, the copper increases a counter magnetic Field apposing the magnets motion. In the same way an electrical motor works. The A.C. electromagnet doesn't need to move as a moving magnet would. So less wear and tear.
Dan it's a very good demonstration you show, Thank you..
I think a longuer tube would work a bit better. But still a nice toy tu have. I did see one day a guy that was catching gold using a huge magnet in river bed… he did have great results.
Maybe, but as it was it got 99.999999999% of the gold
Nice idea Dan! Entertaining and always learn something new⛏🏴
Hmmm curious…. Seems between this new device and a Miller table like VoGus prospecting uses even flour gold won’t escape.
I guess some gold could still have iron mineralization attached ,making it magnetic..
also the magnet will pick up gold in between the black sands....
I love watching you and your family i have learned so much
I'm so glad!
Your mastering of prospecting is greatly enjoyable, as your good humor and care to explain. Very useful magnetic machine, I guess you did well to not load it too much at once, to make it fully efficient.
I wish you would ignore the negative comments and not comment on them in your videos. There will always be haters and bringing that negative energy into your videos dulls your shine.
In the magnetic bowl, is most of it iron
I collect the magnets and my wife puts them into decorative jars and vases. I sent two ounces to my nephew with a strong magnet to let him play with it. My sister was excited until he dropped the strong magnet into the sand and it disappeared.
Always a pleasure Dan Think smarter not harder please don’t share a million dollar idea for free with everybody🤫🤫🤑🤑
this is not my idea and is very well known
🤣🤣 Faaaaar from a
"million dollar idea" lol but yes he shares a lotta very good tips and facts & makes very informative videos for us all. Any beginner level prospectors as well as the OG's of prospecting should make sure to check him out and don't forget to thank him for all the great information and for spending so much time doing what he does!
@@DanhurdCheers 🍻!! Hope your health is excellent now and hope all is awesome with you & your family!🤘
How You waste time offer ur fucking machine for nothing
Trust me he got a better trick up his sleeve that’s why’s he’s revealing this to you
I wonder if the strength of the magnet would make a difference?
Love all your videos dan
Magnetizing magnets for magnets with magnets
Know what, you have earned my subscription. I wonder how all that black sand would melt. If anything that wrought-iron might make for some good iron hand training.
Just had a thought. Could you simply float everything off in molten bismuth. It is less dense than gold but more dense than iron and has a very low melting point. I have no idea if it would react with any other materials, but being that it is liquid at less than 500 degrees F I think it could easily separate everything from the gold.
Yes, but that's very expensive to pay for energy in whatever form (electricity, hydrocarbon fuel, etc), for heating the Bismuth to melting.
It was really cool to watch them up close literally flipping over like it was walking.
2:31PM here in India
You got my subscription! I enjoy the videos and you are a funny and fun guy. Keep up the great work!
Awesome, thank you!
I have really been wanting to test one of these they really seem interesting
I think the size of the machine is made for doing what you said not to do. You run the magnet through your bucket and then empty the magnet into that machine. The machine will let loosen the stuff that got caught up in your quick magnet work.
I have seen this technique. It works well. Basically pre-concentrate your iron and do a reverse sort.
Dan comments on comments so good because you know it TRUE! Love the videos Dan
My preteen daughter and I love your channel, Dan! We're new to your channel and from the UK. We prospect whenever we get a free weekend. We have an old property in Cornwall that has a fine old bendy river where we enjoy sniping whatever the weather in our wetsuits and snorkels. Thank you so much for this most enjoyable video. *Hugs* Wendi and Molly. 💗
Watching the magnetics dance, on the second run through put a daft grin on my face!
Could you roast the magnetics and get more gold? Great show thanks Dan.
You should gather all the magnetic stuff and send it to Alec Steel and have him forge a decorative prospectors pick for you! Seems like it could be a cool collab video
I’d love to get into panning as a hobby. I don’t there’s much around me though in Minnesota 🥺
That is some good dirt sir, I will have to get some of that for testing. Colter is an awesome person and was really the first person who gave me the positive motivation that I needed. I am glad to see his work continuing to grow.
That was fascinating Dan. Thank you.
Looks like a good pre-separation stage before running dry through an air-blast/drop separator.
Since Klesh taught me through his YTchannel to use jet dry, it has been much more easier to pan for gold… no more floating gold dust or gold flour.
Use 1 liter bottle of jet dry inside a container of 60 gallon plastic bin, no need to clean the water when it looks muddy; wait for a day or two and the water becomes clean enough to reuse while all else settles to the bottom of the bin.
I’ve been using the same water for the past 2 years, once in a while I do add more water and 1/2 a cup of jet dry when it needs more water.
That an interesting little rig there Dan. I was impressed