SPAAG Gepard vs A-10 Warthog: Guns-Only Dogfight | DCS
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2024
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2:22 Gepard vs A-10
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If I remember correctly, the Gepard gunner did not often use the gunsight that much. One could designate the target on the screen and then the computer did the rest. Also, that seems to be quite amusing, as I have been told because being in the turret was like a wild ride when the tank's turret followed and gunned the assigned targets. The optics were used as a backup and against ground targets more often.
Yes, you have targets on the radar and a laser range finder. Once you select that target the Gepards shoots automatically, it is of course able to fire manually.
Cap is a content machine. Speaking of content, when we gonna get some more carrier command? Love those videos.
Will upload next weekend, sorry for delay.
@@grimreapers Wolfpack. Sub stuff!
Back when I was a lad, the doctrine for dealing with Shilka’s in the Fulda Gap was for A-10’s and AH-64’s to fly NOE, the Apaches pop up and get the attention of Soviet AD, the A-10 pops up, gives the Shilka a burst then pulls off, returns to NOE, then the AH-64 pops up and delivers the coup de gras, if required.
23:45 the thing is, when you move, you are easy to spot, since you are the only thing moving in the area.
So only relocate a bit, if you are still under attak
A very difficult trick to learn:
Crossing open ground in the dark of night and you hear the *_pop_* of a para-flare, instinct is to hit the dirt. WRONG. Be a bush ... don't move a muscle. Oh, also, keep 1 eye closed to preserve night vision.
The human eye is designed to look for movement, I was always told in basic infantry training
@@robertschultz6922 Just like human nature shrieks *_"HIDE!"_* when we hear that POP ;-p
p.s. another thing we practiced ... kinda like "Just go snake-eyes" in Little Big Man: peripheral vision is //especially// sensitive to movement. Kinda fuzzy / unfocussed, but if we don't get sucked into tunnel vision it actually makes a difference.
_stay frosty_
@@BenTrem42 I still remember the Drill Sgt yelling "Aerial Flare, close one eye"
@@RossOneEyed Hard to beat doing it real-time in the dark and forgetting ... _to stumble around flash _*_blind!_*
Yeah RC is back .Takes me back during lockdown it was just you guys keeping me sane 👍
love the colourful description of "a thing happened" keep it up
I think a Tpod on the A-10 would make this more fair. No standoff weapons, but a Tpod would be handy for locating the target.
The trick to staying hidden from aircraft is to stay in the shadows. Its all about contrast.
I enjoyed the part where you managed to put yourself into a spin right at the end when your tail was missing :)
My favorite videos are the carrier battle ones where you watch above them. I’ve watched them 3-4 times each. I can’t afford another PC after I was robbed this year. So I have to watch instead of play. Ty so much for the great content
Pleasure
Another interesting Video, keep up the good job!
This was a great episode
That was good and an intense duel. Really liked that
This was awesome!!
Just watched the "guns only" part so far, and although I don't think it would change the outcome I think your tactics in the A-10 are making it much easier for the Gepard! When you're transitioning from the orbit to the attack run you're just absolutely defenceless and the angle from the Gepard is just coming to a nice gradual and predictable stop. I don't think it could ask for better circumstances!
The A-10 is just not very good at killing AA, it is overhyped like crazy
Hey Cap, got an idea for a carrier strike group battle/naval battle. Here is the premise: Chinese naval strike group/could be carrier strike group attempting control of australian airspace (carrier would most likely have been put out of action by the time they get to Australia). The RAAF has 2 operational squadrons of F-35A lightning with 50 aircraft between them, 1 24 aircraft squadron of super hornets, 12 P8 posidens (not sure how you could model those), E-7 wedgetail AWACS, and one squadron of 12 EA-18G Growlers. They alse have an EWR with a range of between 1000-3000 km. The Australian navy could also get involved with HMS Duncan representing the Hobart class destroyers. The chinese would most likely approach form the west. Would be happy to explain in more detail if interested :)
Sounds very interesting
I would love to see this happen .
A Chinese strike against Australia would likely come from the North East from their planned base in the Solomon's. Indonesia isn't going to let China move through their waters and any attempt to move around Indonesia is going to run into Singapore and Australia's other allies in SE Asia.
Assuming China gets a strike group through the First Island Chain undetected, they would move east around the JORN detection area to the Solomon's, then southwards towards Brisbane or Sydney.
They might be able to avoid detection by JORN, but they would likely be under watch from Pine Gap the entire time.
roger I have something similar planned but just can't seem to get around to it...
@@magical_catgirl The chinese do own a port in sri lanka.
Very cool! I think this demonstrates an interesting issue, that if you are driving a ground vehicle while under attack by a plane, then you need to have somebody watching the plane as you move or they could dive on you when you are distracted (which leads to bad outcomes;).
Yes, in real life there would be a crew a three. driver, commander and gunner.
First GS a-10 video now this! This day can’t get better
This looks like it would be a fun 2v2
each 35mm has 150 or 300 tungsten cylinders,
programmed to relesa while leaving barrel - the programators are visible at the end of barrels
That was a good one! Well, tbh they are all good :)
This reminded me that a freakin A10 has a helmet mounted display yet the F22 and F15 don't. Rrrriiiight
Very entertaining I must say.
That was definitely entertaining
I'd like to see how many Warbirds it'd take to destroy The Gepard!👍
Let's see some Mosquito's and P-47's try this! Would also be cool to see how The Super Tucano and MB-339 Aerimacchi would fare👍
It would be easy for the gepards radar guided auto cannons to track and shoot down the slower warbirds but any air defense can be overwhelmed if enough warbirds are placed in there 😎
Almost forgot about The Pucara!
Firstly love these videos. Just one criticism Cap keeps using the zoom mode when he's scanning terrain, the real life Mk1 Eyeball doesn't have a zoom mode.
A10 Pilots were know to carry binoculars for spotting targets
Both capable predators! Interesting
The only problem with this is if the Gepard is _hiding_ from aerial threats it can't do its job.
The Warthog can just orbit out of range and pick off easier targets of opportunity it encounters. Not sure the divisional commander would be too happy if all his vehicles get wiped out...but the SPAAGs are fine.
German Veteran here. The Gepard is a close-in AA System. Meaning, it's supposed to keep your immediate overhead air clear. It's designed to destroy AT Helicopters and CAS planes going after your Artillery, your logistics and other chewy stuff like that. Plus it is designed to work in Tandem with the Roland AA Missle System. So loitering outside the imediate Gepard Bubble is no option, since the Roland would just send you a nice little present up there. Plus it stands to reason, that someone either through AWACS or the simple fact, that everyone and their mom can hear the darn A-10, would ask for a EF Typhoon to kindly move it's arse over and blast the sucker up there.
Especially since the whole darn front segment should be on EMCON anyways and you'd have to go active sensors to find anything to start with. I've lived in the greater Ramstein Area far to long to know that you can hear an A-10 from Miles away. You will know it's there. There is no way to hide it.
Both systems (GEPARD and ROLAND) are purely defensive in nature, like almost all Bundeswehr Systems from that time are. They're designed to lie in wait and ambush soviet attackers. Considering, that almost everything behind the direct frontline will duck and hide, just to avoid being spotted from FOB's and AT Helicopters, it's fair to assume that the Gepard would not invite desaster, by doing something completely different than anybody else does.
The German doctrine is mostly defensive in nature. Meaning, that each segment of the frontline will try to setup for defense in depth and not attack. As it was deemed almost certain, that the soviets/russians would posses way more shit than we do. So the idea was to wait, hit them where it hurts, run like hell, rince and repeat. More or less like the Ukrainians are doing right now.
If you take a look on how even a simple MANPADS can ruin a KA-52's day, you can certainly imagine what a Gepard could do. ;-)
But hey the whole contest was kinda daft anyways, since these systems have never been designed to compete in the first place. Gepard was designed with russian adversaries in mind, while being on the defensive. And A-10 is a bird designed for providing CAS to attacking allied tanks and mechanized infantry. Both are NATO Systems which are designed to rather fight side by side and not against each other.
The GAU-8 was specifically chosen, and the A-10 specifically designed, to be able to engage, fire, and hit a ZSU-23/4, while having a tight enough turn radius to turn away before the ZSU-23/4 could return fire.
*Former board admin, A10org*
'My cup of tea is in the way' Probably the most Cap thing that has ever been said. Other than expressing worry about spilling said tea on his union jack waistcoat.
Fun vid btw.
lols major concerns.
The new ammo types for 30mm and 35mm guns is *nasty*. Whatever about MANPADS, SPAAGs with modern ammo are no f*cking joke. The AHEAD round gives me the creeps.
Doctrine in the German Air Defence units was not to use the search radar. The air picture was delivered by either AWACS or a central air surveillance radar out of range of enemy artillery fire. What most people don‘t know that the Gepard has a very sophisticated optical aiming system as well. Commander and gunner can spot individually! I don‘t know how Ukraine will get the air picture and how they intent to use the Gepard to avoid making him a prey for Russian artillery.
They could use it to protect critical locations from russian cruise missiles with it, as they repeatedly attacked armor and ammo depots that way. The Gepard does really well against small slow flying targets like cruise missiles and (military) drones.
This was an experiment.
Gepard can fire on the move, - so better in the A1 with digital firecontrol-computer.
Also a driver knows how to use terrain and shadows and bot move in the open
Gepard vs Vietnam Quad 50.cal. There actually was one called the "Grim Reaper"
Cool
Hey you're using the 25th FS skin on that A-10 cap! I used to work on those back in 2016
Wow cool
The gun on the a 10 reminds me of the siren on the Stuka. In that it's s a real crowd pleaser. However in combat against a well equipped enemy, and without total air superiority best not to use it If you want to live. Still a really cool plane. As is the Stuka also.
The gun isnt the primary weapon for the hog, it hasnt been for like 20 years now... it is still a great back up for an exhausted payload when you need to loiter while still maintaining fire superiority.
This wouldnt be a video had they not neutered the a10; orbit until locked with targeting pod then its just pick your poison, agm, bombs, even guns... the biggest issues for the boys was simply maintaining visual contact on the gepard and getting rounds on target.
I'd like to see a group of Humans on the ground in similar/same ground vehicles, defending a group of light skin vehicles from a number of Huewman controlled ground attack aircraft with only guns and bombs. 2 respawns each(depending on player count), ground/red cant leave the area and cannot let the softies be destroyed. Blues cannot let the reds control that 'base', and must destroy all softskin targets and/or all AA vehicles? Sounds fun to me
Imagine being in a helicopter against a Gepard somewhere hiding in a city
Simple answer: dead helicopter. That's EXACTLY the role the Gepard was designed to fulfill: close AA support against CAS and helicopters.
The A-10 is also known as tank buster, reason the A-10 is slow and hits the tanks from behind. fly low., there is a reason they call the a-10 tankbuster.
fly fast fly low, there is a reason that the A-10 is called Tank Buster.
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You can use the radar of the Gepard to improve the aim for AA rockets. And it was planned to mount them on the vehicle.
Nighttime with FLIR perhaps the best way to go after anti-aircraft guns? You have to wonder if even anti-radiation missiles would work if the tank is doging in and out of the buildings?
Looking to get into this game. Are any ground vehicles included, or do you have to buy them seperatly?
If you want to drive them you will have to buy the combined arms module. If you only want AI to control them then it’s included for free as everything else in the game.
Omg love your content but I’ve had two people come up and say “are you copying Grim Reapers”!? I’ve even put in my bio that it’s my rotc flight name…anyways keep up the work I’m trying to get a channel going.
My understanding was the Gepard is primarily for an anti-helicopter close air defense role for armor units.
Originally the Germans were going to mount 30mm, but instead went to 35mm (according to wiki)... either of these rounds are going to hurt most aerial targets at 2500m.
Perhaps you could try the ZSU-23-4 (quad 23mm) in a similar scenario, for funs?
Originally it was meant as an anti aircraft weapon system. But by the time it was ready for service it wasn’t able to do keep up with current airplanes. It was pushed into an anti helicopter role which was also pretty short lived since ATGM technology was already outranging its gun. So they opted to use FAPDS ammo as their de facto standard ammunition, since the ballistic properties were vastly superior.
Now what would happen with a low cloud deck, say overcast with 1,000 ft above ground level?
This video is A-10 approved
You shouldn’t tell him when you see him pretend you don’t see him and go after him
no way you guys havent done top gun 2 videos yet
recording tomorrow
my gut feeling is with TP I think it can win all times. the only possibly exception might be just gun.
you now have better tools for tracking, that can help get some opportunities. might be enough of an edge.
Swordfish. "Hold my beer ."
Oh, 35mm vs 30mm, interesting!
Hey Cap can't remember if you've done this yet but A10 vs
Warbird (p-51 or FW) i think you've done one with this mosquito already though.
SU 30 MKI vs F22 Raptor....pls MAN big fan....It would be fun..to play....
Didn't we do that one?
@@grimreapers No...Sir ...
This needs to be reflown. Don't be so aggressive in the A-10, like don't do a "chicken" run with the SPAA at best you will both die. Locate him first, then find a good attack angle. Getting tunnel vision is death for the A-10, you must not be flying towards the bullets for as long as it takes the bullets to get to where you are. Use time of flight and the A-10 much superior mobility to win, do multiple runs, use range. Think of it like the MAR of a missile fight, bullets must travel a few seconds if you have range, so you can be out of the way when the bullets strike where you were.
"Regular" guns have advantage in range and accuracy over Gatling. On the other hand, SPAAG is shooting upwards, against gravity, so it's a pretty "fair and equal"...
Pretty interesting video, guys. Keep it up.
Why would the A10 not use his targeting pod?
so, about that, did you know that the targeting pod was put onto some A-10s, for the longest time the "targeting pod" and FFI was called "binoculars"
What was that thing at 12:12? "MSN000"?
Why is he not using the targeting pod on the A10?
the firering distance of a Gepard is 3500m
We found it more like 2000m in game.
So, part two we going to see if the A10 can dominate with stand-off weapons? Not gonna lie, seems like a natural progression to me.
I wonder if trying it with a third Birdog spotter aircraft flying at treetop level to help find the target would even the odds some.
agree
RC: King of Kentucky windage :D
Do you have ammo limit on the A-10? If so....triggering like you were doing in short bursts is pretty bad on ammo management because the gun takes a bit to spin down after firing. It stops firing when you let off the trigger but as it is braking it's shucking rounds out of then back into the belt...counts how many unfired there were then backs up to where they start to save ammo. Quick triggering ends up with the belt mixed with lots of live rounds which was one of the challenges when making the reloading machine having to deal with empties and loaded rounds. You might be shorting yourself of hundreds of rounds left in the belt.
It's a very quick spinup and down. Also, as far as I'm aware, the gun has no firing pin cutoff, meaning if the round goes through the gun, it fires.
It might stop rounds feeding in at the end of the burst, though.
@@No1sonuk The 7.62 Minigun IS mechanical firing so you really don't want to be turning the barrels by hand on the ground. The A-10 is electrically fired so that can be instantly stopped while the ton of barrels spinning mechanically does feed more until it stops.
I had a working acquaintance with a company in Florida that made the reloading rig....and dealing with spent and live rounds intermixed in the belt was a real challenge to overcome.
A-10’s use a maneuver called a bump up, use this and you can defeat the AA gun. Aquire the gun outside of its range first of course. Then run in low level 50-100ft agl from a direction he doesn’t expect bump up roll 3/4 inverted and engage him with your gun.
No surprise...guided weapons vs non-guided with the A10 having nowhere to hide.
Gepard uses a Leopard 1 hull which is fairly thin by tank standards... HP damage model isn't realistic in general.
If it had Steel Beast level model, then it would be more interesting
Cap i'm very happy to tell you that with the latest OB update.... CA is now working again (i.e vics can now climb hills)
will make our King of the hill missions more fun
if only ED could remove the slow areas on the Caucasus map
and also why can one drive through bushes out in the open on the Syria map but those close to buildings are solid
also.... Mariana's map is still utterly horrible for CA
Ok looking forward to testing.
tunguska would be a nice try
Do u stream on twitch ?
yes www.twitch.tv/grimreaperscap
Getting creative. If you are doing "Air" vs "Anti-Air" in it's compatible form, I'd like to see a tse-tse Mosquito with a 57mm "6 pounder" attack an .88 battery, wouldn't you? All the world wonders. Although, the ZSU-23, mmm, there's a monster. Wonder what you could get to attack that? Something sexy, I bet. Cheers you irreverent muggles!
In reality the geopard would pulse fire as the lead sight starts coming central so as to cause the A10 to evade becomes an attrition fight occurs
I think what we might be seeing the in the Russian war on the Ukrainians is the benefit of small drones. In the case of an aircraft trying to attack a ground target, small drones make excellent spotters. A simple laser range finder on a drone could determine the GPS coordinates of a ground target. A high flying bomber or attack craft, far above the range of air defenses could easily and safely drop a GPS guided bomb on those coordinates. There would have to be constant communication between the spotter and the bomber in the case of a mobile target as long at the bomber loiters in the proximity of the ground target.
There is absolutely potential for this but I don’t see this happening for two reasons.
1. Air defenses. While flying high will keep you out of range of short range AA weapons like MANPADS or guns, it will put you within range of medium to long range AA systems like Buk, Tor, S-200, 300, and 400 can hit targets high up. Both Ukraine and Russia possess potent AA systems which prohibit either side from using aircraft more than sparingly.
2. Russia has been running out of PGMs, this includes GPS guided bombs. There are few if any PGMs that Russia can spare at the moment and the situation is likely even worse for the Ukrainians given that their aircrafts and accompanying systems are on average inferior to Russian systems.
Within the context of the current conflict, Ukraine will probably make better use of GPS guided artillery, which could wreak havoc on the Russians if supplied in large enough numbers.
800hp just means 19hp per ton, less than 1/2 of what an old 850cc mini had.
the guns are better though.
Why not SU-25 vs Gepard? If everything is going as expected, those will finally meet on the battleground.
Just remember rule 357: NEVER, EVER, EVER make a direct attack on AAA unless you can kill it from outside it's effective range. And just for the record: Rule 246, NEVER go around again on a defended target. OH, and Rule 1: all rules are subject to arbitrary change.
Hey Cap, try with Pancir S1.
Do this again with 2ea A-10's working together. Let the Gepard use radar.
Add another A-10 until "balanced".
Man I love the Gepard.
I know you have done US V.S Russian Carrier Group but more than likely in a real conflict they would probably not use there only Russian carrier maybe try a surface group it might be a good fight.
Say, BFM w/A-10 ... *_can be done?_*
I've never tried any of that.
*_Ooooh!_* 24:57
Commenting before I´ve watched the whole video but: how about a low-altitude attack?
Does anybody in the DCS modding community make sci-fi stuff? I feel like dcs is the perfect platform for sci-fi aircraft and vehicles
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I need to do this in War Thunder soon.
Edit: Has a better damage model for the Gepard
War thunder is a bit cheesy though. I'd probably play it if it wasn't F2P and they made the aircraft handle a little more realistic, they are way too maneuverable and don't really have the weight and inertia like they do in DCS. I also don't like the way you aim, you just put the dot on your target with your mouse and the plane does all the flying for you.
@@rubiconnn depends. Also there is SB, where you can't use the mouse like in RB/AB.
Aso the "instructor" really aids with turning the aircraft better, witch is off in sb.
I think I have a crush on RC lol
Who doesn't?
we need to try this with pantsir s1 :))))
eek
@@grimreapers do your best cmon...one run with guns only and then do full spectrum ... and please don't do brit version of it it will be more interesting..
boloks I meant guns only meaning nobody uses bombs or missiles .. PVP
it is better to on the ground wishing you were in the air
than
in the air wishing you were on the ground
Damn I wish DCS had AGM-122 Sidearms.
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Moral of the story , If on the ground always hide in civilian towns and cities 😃
I reckon I could take ye all out #easywork
Do you think that you could test the Gepard versus Russian aircraft being used in the conflict in Ukraine because Germany is shipping Gepards to Ukraine if I heard right?
rgr
11:25 anyone else get Firefly Pilot Episode vibes?
Why did you say and show that you put rockets on the A-10 but never used them in any footage? I was looking forward to seeing what the rockets would do.
Have you done this comparison against a Frogfoot?
HARM to whack the radar and Maverick to Kill???? How about a "Sky Raider" attack on Snake Island????
I was wondering, can you remove the tracers to avoid revealing position when firing?
Bro can you do "Can 20 b1 Lancers destroy a Russian carrier group"
We already did that one.
9:46 The entirety of British military history in just eight words: "My cup of tea is in the way."
JK - Love the GB. ♥🤗🏳🌈
Can you do 100 A10 vs USS Nimitz?
rgr
Thre Real Problem with Gepard....where there is one there will be more. Focus on one and the Others!!
It still amazes me that the A-10 doesn't fly iron-hand.