Was The Worldsoul Saga Anouncement ...Bad? Dan Olson, Perculia, Soul Weekly Reset LIVE Roundtable
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
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Blizzcon 2023 revealed THREE New World of Warcraft expansions in the Worldsoul Saga - The War Within, Midnight and The Last Titan. Taliesin and Evitel host their regular Roundtable live from Blizzcon and talk through the announcement, the future of WoW and the next expansion in front of the loveliest live audience of all time
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I'm so glad for every additional way to get to listen to Dan Olson talking about WoW.
I want to get him to talk about corn in a prepared format instead of an impromptu rant at a noisy restaurant in the middle of a video where he and a few other RUclipsrs try to talk over the crowd.
But WoW is fine too.
Dan Olson sitting casually there as if he never pwned the whole crpto community by himself with just one video.
Dan Olson is probably the smartest person on RUclips.
@@happyclam1266if not the most intelligent the most intelligently eloquent.
thanks for giving Soul a little love on this panel. He is a dedicated wow streamer that doesn't get alot of clicks, but always produces good content. You two were awesome as always.
Soul is great
Soul is awesome.
Soul is awesome and one of the few supporting the casuals playing almost exclusively world content. He is super chill and another of my fav RUclipsrs.
In spite of the technical difficulties that was a great panel. Super excited Soul was able to join in. His content is always informative and the stream good company while chugging along playing the game. Thanks for putting this together for all of us :)
Please, organize more round tables, this was awesome.
Agreed, even if its just once per patch announcement.
I second this! Could even be a short podcast format with different creators
Dan, Soul and T&E the combination i never knew i needed
I got into Dan's content independent of WOW. Love his flat earth/Qanon video, his trilogy of videos on the Fifty Shades movies, his NFT video. He's wicked smart and coherent, and I love seeing him in this context too! Thanks for having him on your show. :)
The Suicide Squad bad editing vid is my fav, but, yeah, did not expect to watch about 3 hours about bad sex movies, and yet I did. Like watching nearly 2 hours of dishwasher rant on Technology Connection, the time just flew by. Or Jenny Nicholson describe 14 dinosaur cartoon movies.
I know how wild is it to see the amount of WoW content Folding Ideas is doing these days.
I've watched FI since the early days of wondering "what the heck is going on with this puppet? So to see it come to this is so wild.
I am a simple man, I see Soul, and I click the video. It's so cool to see him with you two.
I LOVE Soul's Videos, He's such a good content creator.
His videos are always positive, simple and honest.
That "Daughter of the Sea"- bit at the end gave me an idea. This song was originally a song Daelin Proudmoore made up for his daughter, to show his love for her. But after Jaina turned her back on her father, when he threatened Thrall's Horde, the Kul Tirans turned the song into a warning against Jaina, who in their mind had betrayed both her family and homeland. But after the Alliance campaign of BfA, and the years folowing Shadowlands, I could see the Kul Tirans make yet a new version, this time aimed at their enemies:
"Beware, beware the Daughter of the Sea. Beware, I heard them cry.
Their words carried upon the ocean breeze, as they sank beneath the tides.
Those blood- soaked shores, of Zandalaaar, where the Horde fleet fought and died.
The troll king fell at Zuldazaaar, because she led the charge!
All hail, all hail, the Daughter of the Sea! All hail, she led us to victory!
Once more the priiide in our nation's eyes! She is our destiny!
When she was captured by the Banshee Queen, our heroes followed her.
What else to save their Daughter of the Sea, into the Shadowlands.
And there they found, in the realm of death, our admiral in chains.
And when they faced those twisted sooouuuls, they feared that she was lost.
Tormented for many weeks, wounded to the core.
To the Jailer's minions she cried: "Beware the Daughter of the Sea!"
I heard, I heard, across the moonlit sea, from our enemies:
"Beware, beware the Daughter of the Sea. Beware of me!"
Jay does such a good job and pours so much emotion into to everything he does. He won the Talent contest the year BFA was announced
Having Tali and Evi, my favorite WoW content creators interact with Dan Olson, my hands down favorite RUclipsr, was just awesome. It's really cool to learn that Dan still plays and that he's waiting with the rest of us to see what comes next haha.
Amazing work as always guys, you killed it this Blizzcon and that Live Weekly Reset really was the best one yet.
Dan Olson? Incredible crossover!
Right? I mean he did that wow essay a while back but I didn't expect this.
@@bass679 Yeah and the one a few years ago. But I was still surprised to see him
He sounds ignorant and arrogant
It's so good to see Perculia back on RUclips.
I fucking love Dan Olson
who tf is he?
@@Azazar His channel is called Folding Ideas, some of the best content on youtube
Any Dan Olson video is a must watch even when it's not on Dan Olson's channel.
What an all star cast. Shame Soul's microphone didn't record, but what was salvaged was definitely worth it. If I have any complaints, it's that I could have heard everyone sitting here talk about WoW for 50 minutes each!
Soul sounded fine, good recoup job.
@@happyclam1266 Yeah, it's only noticably poor quality in contrast to the clearness of everyone else. In isolation it's not even that bad.
My god, the focus on that key light is crisp 👌
really love how crisp that ring light looks
Tali, whatever you did to fix the audio for the missing mic, that's an outstanding job.
Great job with what you had to work with Tali, Soul came out muffled but you could definitely understand him which is great.
Tali saying to not put it in fullscreen makes me want to totally put it in fullscreen
I admit, I did it.
The weekly reset live was awesome. Thank you
I liked how they announced the World Soul Saga. It felt more homey and I hope we get more of this style. It felt like they were just developers putting their cards out there.
Yeah, the complaints just feel like manufactured drama for clicks.
It only works if they can actually pull it off but I feel like the direction change is addressing a very specific and real problem which is that most all of the lore that people care about in Warcraft is from the RTS series but we have exhausted all of that and 1 off expansions had no way to rebuild something new that people cared about. Making the story more episodic and spanning multiple zones and themes I think they have the CHANCE of doing some real lore building that can keep interest in the new stories that are well past the RTS games.
I’m really happy that they interviewed my favorite WoW content creator; Dan Olson.
Clearly, Iridikron succeeds with the help of the void, and kills the titans. But, we the players manage to foil the void plot to corrupt the world soul of Azeroth, and she emerges as the Last Titan.
Glad Evitel mentioned "the War Within" being not just within the core of Azeroth, but also within Anduin (and I'd say also within Alleria and maybe even (still?) Thrall).
Ugh, sorry but that sounds awful, it's not a shrink simulator or a world of feelings game. i don't see what the inner thoughts of an out of place character, as Anduin have been since BFA, would impact my game play more than a side note, unless we'll go into his mind inception style!
@@asmosmedenGod forbid games have themes and narratives.
@@SunniestAutumn where did i say it shouldn't have themes, you know just because you set your minds that this is theme, which it is, doesn't mean that there are no other theme out there... Sure, a feeling theme is a theme, maybe even a great one for a movie or series, but not a good one for games.
Besides, what makes Anduin so special to begin with that he's the only character in game to break down because of the thing he was forced to do? There are not only leaders in war, the foot soldiers suffer too maybe more. A great leader should be the one who guide those people out of the downward spiral, not plunge into it headfirst.
@@asmosmedenjust because you want to bitch about themes doesn't mean it's bad 😂
@@jtowensbyiii6018 and you insult me makes it good? Why should a game which has it roots in RTS, the word war in its name and to 99% about violence be better if it's story is about someone's feelings? It's like going into a skirt store and wanting them to sell you pants. Sure it's nothing wrong with pants, but it's a skirt store and you knew it was a skirt store when you entered, so buy a skirt or go somewhere else.
Seeing Dan and Soul was beyond awesome. Thanks Tali!
Thanks for all the work you put in to organize this and to rescue/salvage the recording!
Everyone: "Hi, it's so great to be here!"
Dan: "I smell cooperate fear..."
i gasped when i saw Dan Olsen in the ending in the previous video. then i remembered his wow documentaries i had watched some 5 times. duh. makes sense. glad to hear more of his wow brain
Dan Olson! I love Dan Olson! Hell yeah!
After the trilogy are we going back to basics? Like how we went from Legion to BfA to start where we were dealing with pirates and trolls after stopping a few literal titan gods.
That's a strong pity about Soul's audio. Love him as well. Glad you did this content! My bf and I are thinking of becoming patreons in the new year since we've enjoyed your content. Also the opportunity to attend this live show is a big draw.
That rendition of Daughter of the Sea brought tears. I wasn`t expecting it.
really great seeing Soul, Perculia, and Dan with you both! Great panel
This group would make for an awesome podcast series....
the bard in the ending was amazing
Calling it now.
At the end of the World Soul Saga, Azeroth cracks apart and we live/fight on the chunks.
World of Warcraft: Chunks!
Collect World Chunks!
Gather Ore/Hurb/Elemental/Meat/Fish/Cloth Chunks!
Combine Recipe Chunks in a new form of crafting!
Participate in new Chunk Vs Chunk PvP/PvE battles for player chunks!
New Chunk glyphs!
I started follow your channel 7 year ago as your 2051th subscriber and your rise to glory. Then i saw your react about the world soul saga and "where have they been for so many years!" i had youtube account in 2018... Now i have much to catch up too. ^^ So nice to see youguys again, love your content and happy too see your little family. Best regard!
44:04 -- I’ve never understood people somehow thinking people have a problem with Anduin showing emotions…?? Considering how legendary Arthas’ storyline was? Varian always showed emotions? He was just a mature King that people respected?
It just has to be warranted, you can't force people to care about things they haven't been immersed in.
People just care about it being done properly, and with respect, dignity and care, which is rarely done, and hasn’t been done in the Warcraft series for awhile.
And Anduin is a warrior. He’s the King of a consistently war torn world, he /has/ to be a warrior whether he likes it, or not, otherwise the Crown should go to someone else. You don’t rule nations that way. And war will always dominate Azeroth, no matter how many little rainbow sparkles or paint you want to put over it, because that’s not the way people work, peace is never forever, life is filled with constant "ups" and "downs", and it’s not the way the world of Azeroth has worked, for thousands upon thousands of years, and our time is just a small pocket of it, despite all the events that have happened. This is normal in Azeroth's history.
Sorry, it just personally ticks me off hearing that, because it’s disingenuous and false. People are passionate about it, and the complaints are focused on heartfelt, emotional moments like that feeling incredibly forced, and not earned, or given the respect that is needed, or being fed far too much of it, to the point where everything just feels sickly sweet now. //Everyone// loves “emotional” moments when it is done well. I’ve lost count how many people I’ve watched sob when Invincible is played. the scene where Arthas' murders his father is palpable. Wrath was considered one of the best expansions BECAUSE of it's rich story, the fact that it directly continued from Warcraft 3 and Arthas' downfall from a Prince behind a prosperous nation. Not a single person complaining ACTUALLY has a problem with this, it's because it's done so poorly and we know what can be done, Blizzard fans are passionate, and it's frustrating to see people being happy being spoon-fed sh*t from their multi-billionare dollar company, and saying thank you, knowing they CAN do SOOOO much better.
You just need to do it well and respect people’s own emotions. It very quickly becomes sickly sweet when you just throw bubbles at everyone. I don't care about anything anymore, because it feels as if nothing matters. You need a healthy balance of both, which is sorely lacking, and I'm truly hoping we go back to the old Warcraft storytelling that everyone loved, with the War Within.
What a set of pipes that musician has at the end of the video
Great to see Soul featured on this video. His and your channels are the pinnacle of good WoW content on RUclips.
Give us Warbands right now. Why wait? Give us the first iteration. Shared stuff. So many people would resub.
So I have been watching all the Blizzcon stuff, and I have found a thought, The overall Story arch will peek with Thrall sacrificing himself to save Anduin. It will be similar to what Gromosh Hellscream did for the Orcs, only Thrall will be doing it for Azeroth as a whole. This will push Anduin to really step up due to Thralls sacrifice for him. just wanted to document theory before anything comes out.
I am so hopeful for Delves...I just want to play again without always having to either keep up or catch up in such a short time frame that is seems to be the only thing I do...
Such a great panel, thank you so much for making this happen and also I was sooo happy to see Soul there too, heartwarming to see yall together, wish I could have been there too! ^^
Where's the love for that incredible rendition of Daughter of the Sea???
"This is going to be so casual! You'll be able to take care of your kids!" Cracked me up thanks Dan.
Finally worked through the anxiety to watch this.
...hey I sound pretty hot, I must say.
Camera and sound issues didn't detract at all. Excellent video guys.
Good job picking up Soul's voice. Was great to hear this entire panel. Thank you for uploading it!!
The cheer response to dans comment about being able to take care of your kids this expansion killed me 😂😂😂😂
Sorry about the technical difficulties, that's rough. The light at the top right is 🔥tho
Great round table discussion! Despite all the concerns, I'm still feeling the itch to resub
I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw those "expansion" logos and thought they looked like patch logos. I genuinely hope it just looks that way and it's not what it turns out to be. Also, 20 years ago, I didn't think I would still be playing WoW now, but here I am, so I can't say I won't be playing 20 years from now.
I could be wrong but I feel like planning out expansions like this, could mean LESS retcon. Just a theory.
Dan Olsen ftw. He's my absolute favorite RUclipsr. To have him on stage with my favorite wow creators is great! Also thank you for trying to fix Souls audio. I would've been so sad to not hear him.
From what i saw so far of blizzcon without a virtual ticket or anything, there was one thing thats stuck out to me. When they said your grandkids wont be helping you, wow is here to stay, and showing this saga concept i was very happy. Knowing that they have lomg term plans in the works, but want to get things out at a reasonable rate was something i really liked hearing, and hope they stick to.
Theres nothing i find less fun than to long between new content and ways to progress. Dragonflight has been pretty good in pace and im hoping they can keep that up or slightly increase it.
I think you all missed what Chris said, right before he announced the World soul saga, he said "the decision has been made today" ie they only decided last minute to actually announce the world soul saga at all, that might explain the lack of props around the hall and the reverse structure, if they had made this decision a lot earlier in the planning stage, the structure might have been organised better to maximise hype, at least that was my take on it, the decision to announce the world soul saga was a late one.
What could also be is that they do the world rework along those 3 expansion. So you are down there in war within but then something comes up in an old zone and that zone is remade, repeat.
At the end of the 3 expacs all zones have been retouched. At least thats something I think could happen.
TALI!!!! This was amazing, Technical Glitches aside, your disclaimer seemed uneccesary to me tbh, yes, maybe noticable, but amazing!!! Thank you!
Complete aside not having to do anything with T&E's great content; but the last time I did any recording was over a decade ago in uni, and the idea of trusting a camera to select your focus was right out. Yet just about every single RUclipsr these days whom I watch relies on it (and invariably suffers for it). If anyone can answer my tangential question: Why do people not set their focus before recording in the first place? Are they not aware they can, or is there some best practice philosophy to it I'm missing?
Boy that ringlight looks great!
8:00 I agree with this statement, if they were to do a MoP kinda reveal for the Blizzcon people it would of had more hype after the cinematic forsure
When crossing the streams _doesn't_ absolutely wreck reality and actually ends up being pretty freaking cool!
Great panel, great Insight from all.
I love Evitel's face when Taliesin was talking about SoulSoBreezy's voice 😂
Plot twist: there were going to be pirates and avaloren and when Chris came in as the lead again he said that and said “ naw, that’s dumb! Here’s what we are going to do! “
Ion: but what do we do with the current content we are working on?
Chris: toss it out or recycle it for later. I’m going to throw out a trilogy plan!
Ion: but we don’t have anything to show in time for Blizzcon!
Chris: no worries, we’ll get the people on the logos and I’ll handle the rest!
Ion: That ain’t going to work! You know they want content!
Chris: you -know- who I am right?! I AM the content! I’ll handle it and knock this out of the park. Just get the crew on double time and start rolling on the new plans and I’ll softball it in to the fans and tell them the new plan of action! Get the cinematics crew and let’s sauce up a detailed one and then an in game features trailer and the rest will flow EZ-PZ. Trust me.
I thought that live episode was absolutely great, one of the best i can remember. Ive watched you guys for a long time and am glad youve still got it. I played wrath through mists but stopped before siege came out, cam hack at the start of legion, but only for like a patch and a half, then just came back right before dragonflight launch. In all that time ive watched you 2 on and off, and feel youre one of the nest sources for wow news. The only other show i can think of that topped everyone was the weekly marmot back when lore wasnt a blizz employee.
They should use the time between now and the last patch of The Final Titan to make Warcraft 4.
The three expansion reveal reminded me so much of what Bungie did with Destiny 2, where they presented the trio of expansions they had planned for the future (with the last one being pushed now from February to June)
I would much rather have planned out storylines like Worldsoul Saga and Marvel, the the unplanned stuff that has left Star Wars movies a mess.
As someone very casual to WoW that comes and goes(but is informed about patches), I think the announcement was great(for all the WoW stuff). Its a shame we didnt get at least a tease of a future Warcraft RTS game, but the rest was fantastic and I'm thinking about coming back hard and prepare for the new expansion. They sold me on it.
20:06 with microsoft buying blizzard, i think after the worldsoul saga we'll get a time skip which will allow the world revamp but more importantly it'll allow a Warcraft 4 RTS which can be used to set up both a new bbeg and the reason the world gets revamped
48:45 is the realest thing ever. We done got old 😂
What a dream team of a panel!
The delves are the only thing I really worried about. They instantly made me think of scenarios :(
honestly, i don't think there's gonna be much difference "after soul saga". The game is not ending, there is no reason for it to end or transform into wow2. The expansions will continue to come out, new stories will be told, maybe as a saga, maybe as a standalone. For me, the biggest question mark stands on the evergreen systems. Im interested to see how will they continue to stay relevant and not turn into a chore. Will delves be engaging in the third expansion? Will they be yet another "do 5 timewalking dungeons" ? Will there be too many evergreens? I did like the idea of new interesting systems being added in the expansions as like the "shtick" for that expansion, because it gave sort of a refresh to each one. Then they tried to make mission table a recurring system and how did that go...
to the conversation around 35:00 .... i repeat what ion and the others in all the interview mechanically said as if it was programmed in their heads to say "these are expansions, so FOUR zones, EIGHT dungeons and A (ONE!) raid" --- which to me is like, erm no? expensions "as we know them" have more than only 4 zones and one raid, if they added "at launch" but they all said this exact sentence as is, which makes me think u @Tali are right, they wont give an additional patch zone anymore
38:12 that has been my biggest complaint with patches; just when I start to get a little bit comfortable with an area... I'm dragged off somewhere else far on the map to a completely disconnected story. It works in a micro-season (an expansion + patch) but after a new expansion comes out it leaves a trail of chaos for new players to try to make heads-an-tails of. Having patches stay in an "area" makes for a much more enjoyable overall "old content" experience for players in my humble opinion.
OMG the live music at the end?! its crazy
This was surprisingly more level-headed discussion than I was expecting. Blizzard is amazing at marketing and selling, but will they finally deliver? I hope for they can live up to the expectations of a saga.
I also really like the idea of the saga, that stories can be told over multiple expansions. I find if I don't watch outside stuff, and since I don't always pay attention to quest text, I can often not really understand what's going on in the story, or why I'm doing certain things. My hope is that the saga idea will let them zoom in on the story a bit, instead of having to depend on a few hours of main story quest and a couple cutscenes.
i think this is them shifting from an expansion with patches to having all patches be named expansions you get charged for.
41:35 well they already had some stuff spawn differently depending on day/night -- well it were critters/pets in legion these mana elementals in the broken temple in val sharah ...buuut that at least means that thought did cross their minds already
I dropped the game at the beginning of shadowlands, not because I thought it was a bad expansion but because the feeling of playing the game at a fundamental level was just the same as older expansions. Nothing feels new anymore, new vfx for skills won't make the combat feel less old. All the quest are mechanically the same they've always been and I find myself sleeping at the keyboard more often then not. I think the game needs a proper reboot or sequel with a new engine and a completely new and more engaging combat system. The idea of having to endure 3 more expansions before this COULD happen terrifies me. I keep following the news because I love Wow's world and characters, but it's highly possible that I would only come back only if a proper WoW 2 gets announced. Or maybe project Odyssey could be the game I really wanna play😂
Came here after Dan’s darkmoon faire video and I’m really glad I did. Love to see Soul as well! Panels like these are so much better than echo chamber content where everybody starts to homogenise their opinions.
Edit: If BFA was all faction war stuff, and shadowlands was completely replaced with an old god nyalotha expansion the only thing of value lost would be Denathrius… Makes you wonder if Classic progression will just skip right from BFA to DF when/if it gets that far.
Delves might actually bring me back. I haven't played since the beginning of the expansion and now I'm intrigued
Completely agree with Dan. Props to you man for not just hyping this crap up. Completely missed opportunity.
perc is so cool
The discussion was so interesting I completely stopped noticing all the technical issues after first couple of minutes.
I remember picking this up after work on Nov 24th (release day) back in 2004. After setting the warcraft stand up for sale ,5 kids and 20 years later, No way I thought I'd still be grinding away 😭😊
What's on the other side of Worldsoul is what interests me. In that sense, I'd like shorter expansions as a bridge to get us to a more promising future
I feel like maybe there is a difference between reactions for people who were able to go to Blizzcon vs people who weren't. Like if you were at Blizzcon, I can imagine it being a bit of a let down with them not having as much physical stuff there to avoid spoilers, but as someone who wasn't able to go, the whole thing and having no idea they were going to announce THREE expacs in one go just really blew my socks off, I was so so so so excited.
I think if we do see a WoW 2, then it doesn’t have to mean we’d lose any progress as evidenced by the way they ported things across to Overwatch 2. That said, I’ve wondered recently if Overwatch 2 was a bit of an experiment to see if it would be a good idea for World of Warcraft, and if it was then I’d say that the experiment showed that it wouldn’t. I think the only way we might see a sequel to WoW is if the game desperately needs a new engine and system in order to achieve what they’d like to going forward, and they realise it’s easier to start from scratch than it is to try and take apart the current systems and retrofit them.
metzen did say that they had decided *that day* to release the info on the next three expansions. so if things seemed terribly rushed(and they likely were veeeery rushed) then that would be why. making decisions at zero hour to prop up the wow segment because all of the other ip news was thin. i believe they thought they needed a bit more oomph to propel themselves, and the community, forward. that being said i think the new systems and lore have been received very well, and a lot of ex-players are looking like they might dip a toe back in.
Where did Chris say that?
right after he talks about the release cadence and not needing to have grandkids move the keyboard and mouse for us, he goes into how the scope of the story is so grand they decided to change things up that very day(paraphrased). then he goes into the whole 3 expacs announcement.@@KirkpatrickSounds
I think the biggest issue for me is that I want to skip The War Within and get right on to Midnight. I'm sure others feel the same, or the same but for The Last Titan. The issue with announcing a bunch is that some people will just be waiting for one of the later ones.
Thank you all for all the effort
I wanna see an entire new planet or something where it’s a whole new map entirely that way you can still have the other content there but it’s a tough thing to navigate
I put it in fullscreen
I want the guy's soundtrack that was amazing, goosebumps epicness. The daughter of the sea... Jaina's high point