It's covered by most insurances, I'm on the medical card because my depression is so bad I can't work, and my provider said inwould have to have a psychiatrist argue in my favor why this is necessary for treatment. So keep looking and trying, I'm waiting to hear from my psychiatrist if she will help me in getting this treatment.
I’m on day three of rTMS. I don’t know why this isn’t offered BEFORE meds. I’ve felt noticeably better for a few hours after treatment. Almost feels like taking stimulants. Feel calm, more mindful etc. it fades but I’m only in week one of four. I’ll report back on progress after a few months
@@Burevestnik9M730 continued experiencing the benefits but after day 5 I had a nasty panic attack on the bus ride home. I was overthinking that something was wrong, like I couldn’t comprehend what I was reading and had blurry long distance vision. Later that afternoon I was back to normal. I asked the clinic if it was related to the rTMS but they said no. I’ll be continuing treatment tomorrow so anxious to see what happens. I’ll report back again… Some other benefits: I’m actually getting stuff done, I’m reading and comprehending better (apart from the incident on Friday), I’m feeling more comfortable in social settings, not daydreaming as much. I asked the doc about a brain network that an MIT lecturer said was responsible for fluid intelligence. I was interested in targeting it. Turns out the current protocol involves that region. So I did the Mensa online IQ test and got a much higher score of 129 compared to the first time I did it (102). I actually finished all the questions before time was out. It’s a large improvement but I’m skeptical. I would have to do the proper test to know for sure.
@@robinstuart8941 What was your diagnosis with which you were referred to rTMS clinic? Was it a drug-resistant depression? Or it was a research clinic applying novel rTMS treatments? What was the name of the protocol e.g. Harvard, or some other depression protocol? If it was a research clinic, do you know which brain segments were targeted (some of the options: DLPFC-L, DLPFC-R, DMN, temporal, striatal, hipocampal, etc.)? Do you know frequencies and magnetic field strength that was applied on the particular brain area, as well as the regimen and duration of the treatment session?
@@Burevestnik9M730 most recent diagnosis was for emotional regulation disorder. I had a long history of anxiety and was on meds for several years. I decided to stop taking meds about 7 months ago because of side effects. I found out about rTMS from Stanford professor on Huberman podcast. I decided to give it a try in Zurich at a clinic but they didn’t offer the Stanford protocol. Instead I did a qEEG and they identified above normal Alpha activity in the frontal lobe. The protocol they recommended was Theta burst on the left DLPFC. That involves about 10-15 minutes of stimulation. They also do a couple of minutes on the right DLPFC but reducing activity. The treatment is done every day for a couple of weeks and after each week chat with the doctor to check on progress.
RTMS helped me a lot but it was painful and I had insomnia all during the course. Wish though I coukd get it done again( my first course in an academic research study) but my insurance won't cover the 15 grand cost.
I had a similar problems of scalp pain during treatment, insomnia and anxiety. Got iTBS 50hz to left DLPFC. What treatment protocol did you do and for what diagnosis?
@@martinlutherkingjr.5582 I really don't know what the protocol was but it was a research study the magnet ran for 10 seconds at a time. It hurt. Had to skip the last 4 treatments due to worsening headaches. Felt like it was pulling my brain through my skull
This guy seems to know a lot about the treatment. But when you see a psychiatrist about getting a treatment such as rTMS or ECT, none of them and seemingly don’t want try informing you about the treatment.
Depends if you are taking it as a regular medication or only as required. Sedative medication sedates your receptors so they will increase your RMT (resting motor threshold). If taking sedatives every morning as regular well then your RMT will be higher. As in it will take more energy from the machine to get your brain receptors in your motor cortex to respond to the pulses on the day of ‘mapping’. If it’s a regular med then that just is your baseline RMT. If you only take it as required and happen to take it the morning of mapping it’s not real RMT. RMT will be higher than necessary for treatment and considering the usual practice is to increase the amplitude to 120% of your RMT it can be unnecessarily uncomfortable for treatment. So I always insist that people avoid sedating medication the morning of or the night before mapping if it’s not a regular medication.
@@Truecrickettalks cocktails of meds and supplements can help, such as CBD, Buspirone 15mg, melatonin 3mg, Guanfacine 1mg, atomoxetine,, with or without AP. It is very difficult to find a cocktail that is optimized for a particular individual.
It's always about how many treatment resistent people get better with TMS. Why almost nobody metiones that logically people that haven't been treated before will do even better.
Beautiful academic discussion here
This is by far the best explanation of this technology I've heard. Moustache man is Brilliant. Thank you sir.
Now if we can somehow stamp out the greed and make this affordable for the working class person
It's covered by most insurances, I'm on the medical card because my depression is so bad I can't work, and my provider said inwould have to have a psychiatrist argue in my favor why this is necessary for treatment. So keep looking and trying, I'm waiting to hear from my psychiatrist if she will help me in getting this treatment.
I’m on day three of rTMS. I don’t know why this isn’t offered BEFORE meds. I’ve felt noticeably better for a few hours after treatment. Almost feels like taking stimulants. Feel calm, more mindful etc. it fades but I’m only in week one of four. I’ll report back on progress after a few months
How about now that a week passed?
@@Burevestnik9M730 continued experiencing the benefits but after day 5 I had a nasty panic attack on the bus ride home. I was overthinking that something was wrong, like I couldn’t comprehend what I was reading and had blurry long distance vision. Later that afternoon I was back to normal. I asked the clinic if it was related to the rTMS but they said no. I’ll be continuing treatment tomorrow so anxious to see what happens. I’ll report back again…
Some other benefits: I’m actually getting stuff done, I’m reading and comprehending better (apart from the incident on Friday), I’m feeling more comfortable in social settings, not daydreaming as much.
I asked the doc about a brain network that an MIT lecturer said was responsible for fluid intelligence. I was interested in targeting it. Turns out the current protocol involves that region. So I did the Mensa online IQ test and got a much higher score of 129 compared to the first time I did it (102). I actually finished all the questions before time was out. It’s a large improvement but I’m skeptical. I would have to do the proper test to know for sure.
@@robinstuart8941 What was your diagnosis with which you were referred to rTMS clinic? Was it a drug-resistant depression? Or it was a research clinic applying novel rTMS treatments? What was the name of the protocol e.g. Harvard, or some other depression protocol? If it was a research clinic, do you know which brain segments were targeted (some of the options: DLPFC-L, DLPFC-R, DMN, temporal, striatal, hipocampal, etc.)? Do you know frequencies and magnetic field strength that was applied on the particular brain area, as well as the regimen and duration of the treatment session?
@@robinstuart8941 In which city are you based?
@@Burevestnik9M730 most recent diagnosis was for emotional regulation disorder. I had a long history of anxiety and was on meds for several years. I decided to stop taking meds about 7 months ago because of side effects. I found out about rTMS from Stanford professor on Huberman podcast. I decided to give it a try in Zurich at a clinic but they didn’t offer the Stanford protocol. Instead I did a qEEG and they identified above normal Alpha activity in the frontal lobe. The protocol they recommended was Theta burst on the left DLPFC. That involves about 10-15 minutes of stimulation. They also do a couple of minutes on the right DLPFC but reducing activity. The treatment is done every day for a couple of weeks and after each week chat with the doctor to check on progress.
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RTMS helped me a lot but it was painful and I had insomnia all during the course. Wish though I coukd get it done again( my first course in an academic research study) but my insurance won't cover the 15 grand cost.
I had a similar problems of scalp pain during treatment, insomnia and anxiety. Got iTBS 50hz to left DLPFC. What treatment protocol did you do and for what diagnosis?
@@martinlutherkingjr.5582 I really don't know what the protocol was but it was a research study the magnet ran for 10 seconds at a time. It hurt. Had to skip the last 4 treatments due to worsening headaches. Felt like it was pulling my brain through my skull
@@pauljames5914 Must have been High frequency rtms, it’s usually more painful than low frequency rtms.
@@martinlutherkingjr.5582 pretty sure it was 10hz. Every click hurt.....
Catch a plane to South Africa and have it done for less than $2000.00.
Doctors in this panel , can you suggest a TMS expert in Connecticut , please?🙏🏽🙏🏽
What is the current state of DMN stimulation?
can tms treatment treat apathy. thank you
This guy seems to know a lot about the treatment. But when you see a psychiatrist about getting a treatment such as rTMS or ECT, none of them and seemingly don’t want try informing you about the treatment.
Health care is still a business and they either don't have or haven't invested in y equipment
Hopefully more emphasis will be placed on the debilitating cognitive impairments that present themselves within these conditions
Is it safe for epileptics?
Epileptics are usually excluded from TMS treatment due to the risk of having a seizure. Even with anti-epileptic medication.
U think that locked up in the hospital please a cure for her depression disorder
Yes. It’s safe.
What affect does Xanax have on the TMS?
Depends if you are taking it as a regular medication or only as required.
Sedative medication sedates your receptors so they will increase your RMT (resting motor threshold). If taking sedatives every morning as regular well then your RMT will be higher. As in it will take more energy from the machine to get your brain receptors in your motor cortex to respond to the pulses on the day of ‘mapping’. If it’s a regular med then that just is your baseline RMT. If you only take it as required and happen to take it the morning of mapping it’s not real RMT. RMT will be higher than necessary for treatment and considering the usual practice is to increase the amplitude to 120% of your RMT it can be unnecessarily uncomfortable for treatment. So I always insist that people avoid sedating medication the morning of or the night before mapping if it’s not a regular medication.
very beginning? I can trace rTMS to early 2000s, DLPFC stimulation. Fast forward 20 years and - nothing. Total darkness. No advance. A tragedy
That's because it takes money away from big pharma...
Dr., does TMS help with cluster headaches?
Does it work for autism in children too ??
nothing works for autism
@@Burevestnik9M730 not 100 percent but surely there are things that will improve things for sure...
@@Truecrickettalks cocktails of meds and supplements can help, such as CBD, Buspirone 15mg, melatonin 3mg, Guanfacine 1mg, atomoxetine,, with or without AP. It is very difficult to find a cocktail that is optimized for a particular individual.
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It's always about how many treatment resistent people get better with TMS. Why almost nobody metiones that logically people that haven't been treated before will do even better.
TMS is a racket! Useless for treatment resistant bipolar. Got the hard sell after I disclosed my Ins
Did not buy the Yugo this time!
Im sure the pharmacological cartel is doing all they can to help this treatment 🤣🤣