Yeah, and since Luigi now grabs with the Poltergust, his back throw might be new. They're really giving more variety to the "semi-clones" to further differentiate them from Echoes.
Buffs and nerfs Yoshi got as of these last three videos: >Egg Throw has more vertical distance when used the first time. (Buff) >More end lag on up air (nerf) >Less end lag on grab (buff) >less range on up tilt (nerf) >more startup lag on nair (nerf) >up smash kills later than 130%(?, nerf) >No more jab cancels (?, nerf) This is just speculation, but from what I can tell my main isn't looking too great in Ultimate. ),=
What about his up-air, if it has the same combo potential and kill power then that’s one hell of a buff considering how it starts behind Yoshi and goes all around his head giving it more range
The N air is still frame 3 . I think the up air is better and although up tilt has less range the end lag was decreased ALOT so I think it’s better . Also f tilt was useless before but now it combos into a lot. I feel like we have to see how the metta of this game evolves. Only then will we be able to say if he is better or worse.
Actually he has far greater lag. Doc Tornado in S4 doesn't return to neutral animation for quite some time after the final hitbox concludes, but it's cancellable unlike Luigi Cyclone. If you want to test it for yourself, do a Doc Tornado offstage and mash double jump or SJP (upB) out of it. You'll notice the lag is actually rather minimal (this is also why you ALWAYS tornado BEFORE your double jump for maximum horizontal distance; other way around for vertical, since dj tornado rises slightly higher when cancelled with SJP). Unfortunately, Ultimate Doc doesn't look like he has that. Since most people don't even know you can do it, though, we'll have to wait to test it more extensively before we make any conclusions.
Brandon Yanosky I’m a Doc main so I can tell ya. 1.He’s one of the slower characters 2.He hits hard, true, but it’s difficult to get in sometimes due to his poor range 3.He has a subpar recovery compared to Mario since Doc Tornado is exploitable, Up B doesn’t travel as high, and Cape doesn’t help. 4.He has a combo game, but it’s easy to jump out of, combo break, or air dodge out of Doc’s strings. It can still be pulled off though.
@@Lwiis64 The animation going upward seems to change trajectory sometimes. I've seen it reflect oncoming attackers in the opposite direction as usual, but during a match at the Treehouse showing, he reflected a Super Launch Star item straight upward.
@@tylerlaunius7396 I think that what happened in that particular situation is that the Super Launch Star touched the ground and activated right before Dr. Mario swung his cape, that's what i think because in all the other footage that has shown Dr. Mario's cape, it has not happened again.
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Seeing Doc recover from that low is making me wet...
0:50 Doc's back throw changed
Damn, Doc's really proving himself that he's completely different from Mario
They should have given some viruses smashes. Like Pac-Man with the ghosts.
Yeah, and since Luigi now grabs with the Poltergust, his back throw might be new. They're really giving more variety to the "semi-clones" to further differentiate them from Echoes.
Yoooo that new victory animation for doc
:thonking:
But they still didn't fix his fanfare, god damnit.... Oh well...
Looks the same to me with a different camera.
Oof!
Doc is looking good so far.
Higher damage output, better Dair, sweet foot-tap to chin rub.
Glad to be a Doc main.
(Shout-Out to Dr. DVD)
MrGameguycolor same glad i stuck him out in smash 4 and melee
Doctor Mario is looking clean in this game
Buffs and nerfs Yoshi got as of these last three videos:
>Egg Throw has more vertical distance when used the first time. (Buff)
>More end lag on up air (nerf)
>Less end lag on grab (buff)
>less range on up tilt (nerf)
>more startup lag on nair (nerf)
>up smash kills later than 130%(?, nerf)
>No more jab cancels (?, nerf)
This is just speculation, but from what I can tell my main isn't looking too great in Ultimate. ),=
Don’t worry my dude you can find a way to play him
What about his up-air, if it has the same combo potential and kill power then that’s one hell of a buff considering how it starts behind Yoshi and goes all around his head giving it more range
Yoshi will be fine, we'll just have to adapt!
Looked to me like up air has a better hitbox around him and not just above, it looks like a hella good combo tool
The N air is still frame 3 . I think the up air is better and although up tilt has less range the end lag was decreased ALOT so I think it’s better . Also f tilt was useless before but now it combos into a lot. I feel like we have to see how the metta of this game evolves. Only then will we be able to say if he is better or worse.
Dr. Mario appears to have less lag after using tornado.
Just some bird its does also I love his spike lol
Fucking yessssssss
Actually he has far greater lag. Doc Tornado in S4 doesn't return to neutral animation for quite some time after the final hitbox concludes, but it's cancellable unlike Luigi Cyclone.
If you want to test it for yourself, do a Doc Tornado offstage and mash double jump or SJP (upB) out of it. You'll notice the lag is actually rather minimal (this is also why you ALWAYS tornado BEFORE your double jump for maximum horizontal distance; other way around for vertical, since dj tornado rises slightly higher when cancelled with SJP). Unfortunately, Ultimate Doc doesn't look like he has that. Since most people don't even know you can do it, though, we'll have to wait to test it more extensively before we make any conclusions.
Awesome
It looks like it has more lag but I hope I'm wrong, at least his running speed looks a bit better now.
1:33 Doc’s up b gave him the metal box item, like how mario’s jump punch would normally work in his own games
What's cool is that you can still use his docnado to recover unlike luigi which is a bummer since he used that move to gimp recoveries.
Dr. Mario has been changed a lot I see.
Come on it’s NNN you can’t just show me Doc’s new victory screen like that
I finally I found Luigi's Down B in ultimate OTL
And it's with the Doc 💊
A Doctor a day keeps the Apple away...
Wait a minute...
Lol, the "Growth" item was right there
Waifu Stealer: Aqua The Healing Sprout
is that a baseball what does that do
Doc’s victory pose changed a bit
Yeah, it looks alot better
Smashville looks smaller for some reason
0:34 dat aerial drift tho
I wish Dtilt still worked with reverse knockback like it did in Melee....that was unique and awesome (especially if you were next to the ledge)
Anyone notice the new baseball item that appears at 0:23
Why are people calling this character bad???
Brandon Yanosky I’m a Doc main so I can tell ya.
1.He’s one of the slower characters
2.He hits hard, true, but it’s difficult to get in sometimes due to his poor range
3.He has a subpar recovery compared to Mario since Doc Tornado is exploitable, Up B doesn’t travel as high, and Cape doesn’t help.
4.He has a combo game, but it’s easy to jump out of, combo break, or air dodge out of Doc’s strings. It can still be pulled off though.
@@karonvoid6292 True, I mained him in smash 4, so hopefully he plays a lot better here!
Is side b supposed to trip for doc?
I am not sure. Also curious if there is a difference between Mario's sideB and Doc's. Other than animation, of course.
@@Lwiis64 The animation going upward seems to change trajectory sometimes. I've seen it reflect oncoming attackers in the opposite direction as usual, but during a match at the Treehouse showing, he reflected a Super Launch Star item straight upward.
@Tyler Launius Interesting. Maybe there's a way to angle it's trajectory. That's going to be crazy in free for alls.
@@tylerlaunius7396 I think that what happened in that particular situation is that the Super Launch Star touched the ground and activated right before Dr. Mario swung his cape, that's what i think because in all the other footage that has shown Dr. Mario's cape, it has not happened again.
@@pancho66207 Yeah, that seems reasonable. Any other Dr. Mario gameplay from here on I'll be observing his cape properties more closely.
at 1:38 he could get the ledge by air dodging just saying
I wish they gave Yoshi a new side b. Egg roll is just bad
Que buen buff le dieron a Yoshi ahora si no me caere al hacer Down S xD