2024 CFMOTO ZFORCE 950 Sport G2 Should you buy one REAL OWNER REVIEW
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We have done 5 e brake recalls in our dealer shop and noticed the same issue. Multiple times bleeding and vacuum bleeding did nothing. Best fix we found was to adjust the brake rod between the brake pedal and master cylinder.
I’m going to do this I had to do it in my xl also it’s now maxed out. Thank you for this information.
@@R.N.GPerformance did doing this solve your issue?
I had the E brake installed a month ago, came back with trans shifter out of alignment and shitty brakes. I just got it back yesterday. @Karnsmotorsports have my brakes working like factory before the e brake install and trans adjusted properly. They went through 2 bottles of brake fluid to get them correctly. My dealer does have my back. This 950 is my 2nd machine, no real problems yet. I have 20 hours of trail riding and no overheat issues
I get that you like CFMOTO but you are a good mechanic and you should work on all brands. Your channel would blow up
Love the honesty, they pay attention to you more than most so keep up the constructive criticism and they usually respond!
💯 thank you 🙏
Well hell that’s a real bummer. I just bought a 2024 trail back in May. So far 300+ miles and I’ve been really happy with it. No issues with brakes or overheating. Really appreciate your videos and hope you get things worked out to your satisfaction. Keep us updated.
I have a 23 g2 800 trail I had the same problem mine was on the floor like yours.I done alot of time checking things that people talk about trying.One thing I found was the piston wasnt pushing out all the way .So I rigged up a tool that would twist the piston just move it a little back and forth put everything back together and rebleed all brakes got a real good brake now and will stop on a nickle still soft at top but still helped a great deal.....
went in to my dealer today and cancelled my e brake install,,,he had me drive a unit with one of your primary clutch kits and restored my faith in my 950 trail
I don’t blame you one bit brother. That is awesome 😎 clutch kit makes a huge difference don’t it ?
Thanks for your honest vids! You are a stamd up guy
Thank you 🙏
I have a brand new 2024 950 sport g2 and my water pump failed at 53 miles. Took it in and they contacted cf moto and they overnighted the parts and rebuilt it asap. I had my unit back in only 2 days. I believe they are getting better with part resolution. I also put a 6 year warranty on it.
I have a 23 ZForce 950 Trail and ride at times in temps over 100F here in Kingman, AZ, EL 3,700'. My temp gauge reads between 2 & 3 bars, NEVER more than 3! Cab heat is also MUCH cooler than the 2022 KRX 1000 I used to own! Great Ride!!
I really appreciate you giving us your honest opinion on everything. I have the same machine and my opinion is the same. I don’t much care for the guys that sell these things sugar coating everything on the videos just for sales. Cfmoto has some work to do, plain and simple. Thanks for being honest and keep up the good work.
You’re very welcome 🙏. I agree same here. Too many folks out there hiding the truth just to get paid.
My bud has a 2023 G2 950 trail. l told him to look into a manual brake line lock, instead of the stock e-brake. He is in the process of getting all the info now. this is the valve/co he is working with. HEL Hydraulic Brake Line Lock with 1/8" NPT Outlets and optional Horizontal Lever Cage Bracket
So I went out Saturday and checked mine. Pedal is low but stopped very well and temperature was on the second click never got hot>Will be calling you next couple days for a clutch kit have a good day
Awesome to hear that. Thank you for your feedback. We appreciate it allot.
Hey Steve, I have a 2023 Zforce as you know already and did not know about recall..she stops on a dime but the e-brake hold is not the greatest, maybe if I did not forget to disengage while backing off trailer a few times probably didn't help either.....That's cuz I smoke too much weed!🤗 It does hold and I'm not letting any dealership or mechanic touch my toy🤨.......except maybe you 😁. Thanks for the heads up. Funny, I did not jump a pin on seatbelt so the low gear limiter does not kick in if unbuckled. I put a 5point harness in before I watched your video and don't remember what I did but it does not kick in
"Thanks to YOU"👍
No doubt. Seems like allot of problems with this change. 😩. You’re welcome 🙏. Heck yeah that’s good. 👍
Don’t give up on CFMoto Steve! They are great machines regardless of what some of the haters tell you.
Idk man. I’ve been seeing quite a bit of craaap my self coming out of that factory. Dont get me wrong I do love my units and have had good luck with most of them. But I’ve seen my fair share of garbage. And I’m the last 2 years I’ve seen allot of it. Loose missing bolts. Shit brakes. Engines eating oil. Engines leaking oil. Bolts in the diff backing out. Rust on the frames brand new. The list gos on. I’m not going anywhere but ima call it exactly how I see it so yall know what you’re up against.
@@R.N.GPerformance awesome transparency! I’m sure glad you are telling it like it is but I’m sure you see way more than I do cause you work on them a lot more than I do. Great content. Love your channel!
I have same machine got mine done exact issue BUT I bleed my over and over and it's great now.
On my 23 950EX I used my DA sander with 120 grit sand paper on each brake pad to remove the mfg material on the surface. Big differance on mine. No I didn't remove the braking material, just broke the surface.
It stopped fine before I don’t see pads being an issue on this one.
I hope they fix the problems because that’s a sharp looking machine.
I agree. No doubt.
First of all, i love this machine, and i applaud cfmoto for listening to is customers to do something about the initial problem. But i have the same issue with the e brake kit installed, brakes are not the same as they used to be, haven't taken it out yet with new brakes but i bleed the the hell out of the when i got it back with premium fluid and its minimaly better, found no air in the system. As for the people say buy a better machine, even your top of the line 30k, 40k, 50k machines all have problems to, didn't like those machines, nor could i afford one.
I’m with you. They fixed one problem and created another for us. It would have been better left untouched for sure. I agree this is like my 15th CFMOTO machine we absolutely enjoy them however we have seen CFMOTO come from craaap quality to awesome quality and then doing stuff like this. They are too focused on bringing out new models every year. If they would just focus on the problems the previous models had they would be far better units and too be honest I would pay an extra 1000$ more if it meant these 2 issues I have be gone.
Evans Coolant? Check air flow pattern, Port air flow better, Adjust push rod, Metallic Brake Pads? Rough up the Rotors?
I have to agree had the ebrake kit installed and now it feels way to spongey. Thanks for your honesty hopefully they listen and do something about it. We love are 950 trail but this breake issue is a safety problem!
Unfortunately CFMOTO probably won’t listen to me because they call me a hater for some reason. Last time I called them out like this on a seal on the u1000 air box they put out a dealer memo saying I was a internet hoax and what I said wasn’t true even tho many many people have reported their seal also missing. Ugh 😩
@R.N.GPerformance that disturbing for sure, my brother in law has the same year and model and warranty ebrake is the same. Were trying to figure out what to do. I will have to contact you folks sometime because I am thinking of change out my current clutch kit and I've seen your kit and I've just watched you vid. So I am interested, but first I have to figure out this brake issue. Hey thanks for your videos and your reply here.
I just took my 1st ride after the ebrake install. I told the dealer make sure the pedal feels the same. They did above and beyond trying to bleed them. Pedal still went to the floor. 20 mile ride today about half way through I had almost no brakes. Headed home and the right rear caliper blew fluid everywhere! And no I did not leave the ebrake on. Beyond pissed...
I’m with you 100% me too. 17k for a machine that won’t stop. Reminds me of a kid when we built stuff for free that didn’t stop 😂
I have a 23 950 trail with the parking break. I noticed that I have a soft pedal but nothing like you’ve shown ( guess I’m lucky). I have just over 100 miles on it and so far so good.
I’m going to talk with CFMOTO and see what they recommend. Thank you for your feedback I appreciate that allot.
I have seen a few posts talking about overheating on the g2. I have the same model and it has not gotten past 4 bars. If it was software you'd think it would be the same for every model. Maybe a difference in temp sensors between build dates. I also had the e break installed, It is noticeably softer but not to the extent of yours. It takes considerable pressure to depress it to the floor. Breaks still seem to grab fine when I need them.
Thank you for your feedback
I did not get the E-brake installed because of all the problems that I have heard. My dealer even said they were having the same problems. Petal to the floor. Not big enough reservoir to push the fluid. I have had no problems with the temp gauge.
Thank you for your feedback bad. I too was warned by multiple dealers but wanted to find out for my self.
I put the old pads in which are 3 mm thicker and bleed the rear with e brake on and it did seem to help
Thank you for that feedback my friend.
I guess I won’t do this , I’ll just get the hook thing for the brake pedal
Good thing I keep stocking those people are buying them left and right.
That's too bad you're having issues with it Steve, and others. I was thinking about getting one but now I'm reconsidering. I hope that CFMOTO does right by you
I agree I hope so also.
I have a 23 Zforce 950 trail that they did the factory e-brake on… works good but pedal is definitely softer than it was… bleed the shit outa it.. it gets better
100% they didn't get all the air out during their bleeding. it took almost 2 bottles of fluid pushing it backward through the brake system to get it back to a firm brake.
I had the e-brake installed on my 2023 800 Trail G2. E-brake doesn't hold. I would expect with it yanked up all the way it would slide the rear tires. Nope. Pedal feels a lot softer than before. Dealer says that's the way it is designed. I will be digging into it further to figure it out. Will be getting your clutch kit soon.
Yep bad design for sure. I will say tho our ebrake will lock up
RNG if you're thinking the gauge is faulty.
How about adding a Manual gauge ? Would definitely be interesting to see If your theory is correct
It’s an idea for sure.
Bought my 21 rzr xp 1000 for 19k no issues at all even rolled it and still no issues I'll keep my Polaris
My Polaris sportsman 2022 had a brake recall. Polaris makes mistakes as well.
I looked at a new 950 and I seen the rear brakes. I wasn't keen on what I saw, as a matter of fact it seems like the brakes were an after thought, especially the way the cables were routed and exposed the calipers too.
Thanks being honest I appreciate it
Your very welcome 🙏
I guess I'll stick to my 2021 zforce950 for now. As far as temperature when guage is pinned to 5 bars a meat thermometer into mouth of radiator will tell you if it's actually overheating. Can't trust the dealer near me for sure.
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Mr RNG: Could you do me a favor? Please show how you adjust the handbrake cable on a zForce 800 EX (or similar if they use the same system)? Could you make a super-short qucikie video on what to do? My handbrake goes throught the roof and has only 1 notch left. I'm afraid if I pull it all the way up the handle won't be able to go further up to release the brakes. Please? I promise to subscribe and click like on all your videoes!
Just got the notice from Connie of Nature Inspired Snips n Snaps been thinking about trading my older Ranger 800 for a CF Moto I'm thinking your channel is a good one to help me decide on this.
Have you checked out the Segway villain and what do you think of it?
Here’s the thing and we can use your smaller rotor example. You get what you pay for. Now don’t get me wrong I love my 23 Uforce 1000. However, I was on the fence over a CAN HAM in order to avoid some of these miscellaneous issues. What makes CF MOTO so popular is their price to quality differential which is GREAT… but it comes with flaws. The second we get those bigger rotors and better calipers we the consumers will pay for those better components. I have a love hate relationship with mine.
I agree. But honestly I would rather have better brakes then fancy wheels 99% of us replace. Give and take. Give us steel wheels and better brakes. Or give us better brakes and charge 500$ more. Something. But then again this is not a cheap CFMOTO it is an expensive CFMOTO. 17k. I can definitely understand corner cutting on 10-12k sxs
My 22 c force 800. Does the same heat issue. In high gear it’s fine but if I use low it climbs to 5-6 bars instantly and runs bad. Spits spuders and pops. But put it back in high and it comes down to 4 bars and it’s all good again! So being said I can’t use low range
Yes. Same here. I’m thinking about making CFMOTO but this pile of crap back.
@@R.N.GPerformance do you think it’s possible they are running too lean. the higher rpm’s from running in low is causing the temps to climb faster?
I had my e brake installed and my brake peddle works just like it did when I dropped it off
You are very very lucky for sure.
I have the same machine as you. Ride at elevations from 4500ft. To over 10000ft. From the black hills in SD to the big horn mountains in WY. Haven't had any overheating issues yet. I am thinking about doing the e brake on the pedal.
My 2023 800 trail has the same problem after the e brake install
Sad isn’t it my friend.
Bringing it to a “dealer” doesn’t mean you are getting quality work they are small engine mechanics that’s something I do on the weekend, last time i had work done at a Polaris dealer when I had it they forgot to put the intake and exhaust vents back on for my cvt
Trust me I know that. However I’ve done allot of stuff with this dealer and their work has always been top notch.
Contact cf moto headquarters here in Plymouth,MN.
Let them know that you are still not satisfied with the work that was done on your machine.
I'm looking at getting the 800 trail; to be honest I test drove the 950 sport also and it had way more power than I really cared for.
My days off driving machines with power are in the past.
I just want to go out and ride trails for pure enjoyment with my family and grandkids.
Good luck
I just purchased a 2024 950 HO EX and the first thing I said at the dealership was whats wrong with the brakes? They said it was normal and it jsut takes time for them to work better. I went down a very steep hill and i basically couldnt get the machine to come to a complete stop with the brakes alone. If it wasnt for the aggressive engine braking i could have been in trouble. What should I do?
I would keep complaining maybe show the dealer this video. Dealers have more of a leg to stand on than we do at the end of the day.
I took my buggy to our dealership in New Philly. I have not gotten to drive it yet since I got it back from them to do the E-brake. Just on and then off the trailer out at the campground. Did you end up there for your install or at another dealer? I'm a little worried now about the brake pedal since my wife drives the buggy with our kids while I'm at work. I don't think she's gonna get hurt, just is gonna suck if they are all gonna be like yours. I don't want to do extra work to it to get the brakes working, I agree with you. It should just work as intended.
I do not have the overheating problem though, it stays at 3 bars and kicks the radiator fan on at 4 still. Only 400 miles on it though so time will tell.\
I went to the same dealer you did. I highly trust this dealer and do not think this was caused by them.
@@R.N.GPerformance thanks for the reply. Appreciate all your videos to keep owners informed.
@@R.N.GPerformance hey man. Just wanted to come back and update that I was able to take my buggy out today at the campground and can say the brakes are for sure spongy but mine does not smack the floor like yours. Mine was purchased in early 23.
I also had the e brake installed on my '23 950 g2. Kinda wish i hadn't. I had my dealer do an additional bleed but got no better. Pedal doesnt feel like air, just has too much throw.
I sat in a '24 on the lot with ebrake and it felt like mine used to feel. Best i can tell we need a bigger master cylinder and distribution block, or bigger master cylinder and new front calipers that are designed to match the ones that came with the e brake kit. (Same piston size). I wonder if we took the master cylinder and front calipers off a 24 if that would fix things. I havnt gone as far as tracking down 24 part numbers, but it could be an option.
I took your tip from the live stream and request my OE rear calipers back and got them. Worst case, i go back to stock.
No doubt. I’m going to ask for mine back also I forgot to when I was there. Because I think I’m putting them back on for now
Wondering if they made additional changes for 24 950 G2, this came with the e-brake they seem a little soft but still lock up all four tires and can't get it to hit the stopper with all my weight.
Plus I have ridden this thing all around Busco Beach in the mud and only saw four bars. 13:36
4 bars out of 5 it only gos to 5
How’s the heat in the cab and is it quieter the the older version 800
Wow US$ 17k that’s AUS 25.5k yet the retail price is $only 20k in Australia . Beats me why you would by a CFMOTO in America !
For me it’s for my business it’s and investment.
Got a 23 ho ex brakes not great had 19 zforce 1000 brakes were not the best on it either but did seem to get better the more i drove it guess pads need to get broken in
How’s the in cab heat in the 950 sport G2
I really hope this overheating is figured out. Is this something that you will be looking into more? I've noticed the temp gauge is at 1 bar before you even start the engine! It's so frustrating!!
You are right! Its sad
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Correct me if I'm wrong, I seen a video of yours installing a E- Brake on the pedal of a Gen 2 that worked great, got one on my G2 950 trail that works great because of that video
Yes we did. That was before CFMOTO did the recall.
All my cfmotos over heat all the time . Rings need a wider gap from factory
All mine don’t just this one really
Did you fix the brake? My 950 sport 4 does the same but not quite as bad and my 2 door is just fine. My 2 seater is a 2023 4 is 2024
I didn’t. We been driving it the way it is unfortunately
Damn I mean I do stop
The computer should know the exact degrees. Why wouldn't they display actual degrees like other sxs. They are not saving any money by not showing real time temp.
I’m not sure. But I do know the comp logs data.
I have a 23 zforce 950 ho ex and started thinking about getting my wife the gen2 later. This is disappointing to here.
I agree it is.
Good video brother.
Thank you 🙏
I wanna sell my cforce 600 and get a 2 up atv. I think it's time to go back to can am
Crap! Just put a deposit on one coming the end of the month. The ones coming in have the e-brake on it. I test drove one. Didn’t seem bad at all. Maybe coming out of the factory already installed is different? I hope so. Sure would hate to go back to Polaris. You don’t sell many parts for them😂
I hope so also. This is sooo horrible. Keep us posted on it my friend. I don’t lol 😂
@@R.N.GPerformanceWill do. Got a list of stuff to get from you when it arrives 😊
Greetings from Wisconsin! Hey buddy, man that's bullshit! I can't figure out why they went with that Commodore 64 looking speedo cluster. Why not the nice one like the ho ex? "Gen 2" and they go BACKWARDS?? Just like on the 2021 uforce 1000's with the speedo calibration off. Wonder what an auxiliary temp gauge would show?
I’m with you. They completely went backwards on this unit I absolutely hate that display. Would love a nice display like the others. I have a flir I’m going to temp it and see.
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This is what I sort of expected based on what the internets seemed to be saying, so for now I will stay with the pedal hook style "e-brake". I had hoped that after it came back from the dealer if it was crap, you would be going through it, to see if it was installer error or absolutely design error. I have read a few reports of e-brake installed rigs with actual properly working brakes, but many of them seemed to have had knowledgeable owners that knew what needed to be done better than the dealers in order to get to that point. Unfortunately yours seems to be even worse than what usually is reported.
My thing is I put allot of time and money in the brakes of the XL to make it stop better I’m not doing it for this. It’s time CFMOTO steps up and figures it out. I bleed them tonight and it didn’t change a thing.
I just got the break installed on mine. Pedal doesn't go to floor but is definitely soft since they installed the rear calipers. Mine has 20 miles on and like you said, stopped great before that. Any suggestions on remedy for this
I know my friend it sucks bad. I’ll be digging into it for sure.
I just called my dealer and gave him a piece of my mind. The way I look at it is, you are selling this machine so it's on you also. He talked like " oh well, that's all we can do, we installed the way cf Moto said". Told him I'm stuck with a brand new machine that I can't trust the brakes on. I'm not happy. After owning a Teryx, I took a chance on one of these. Didn't even really use it yet and this shit is going on. DISAPPOINTED
Have you ever hit it with a temp gun when it is overheating?
I didn’t but put my hand on the rad and didn’t get burnt.
@@R.N.GPerformance I'd temp gun each head next time. I feel like it would be a gauge issue. My 950 hasn't ever got hot, but I ride with 2 600s that stay on 4+ bars and never give the first sign of overheating
Mine is soft but not hitting the floor,I can't believe a dealer would let that out the door with the pedal HITTING! the floor. Not acceptable! I just bought mine,and am starting to worry about shit like this. Should I bleed the brakes???? Don't know.
I definitely am on the same page for sure. I don’t know if bleeding will help but it’s possible that it will.
What is a e break??
Can you trade it in
Can you trade it inie it under warranty
It's brand new,10 miles. If I trade it in I'll take a beating probably
Hi I have a 2023 Z FORCE 950 Sport. My dealer here in Canada is a flake. Really considering the 6hr drive to you if need be. I am glad I just installed the brake thing on my pedal instead of pleading to get the calipers .In Canada they do not care about us and will not upgrade the 2023s anyway. My question to you is what is with the belt cover vent for air out doing so low and open. Seems a poor design just waiting to take in all kinds off debris and water. I upgraded to the cf moto factory snorkles and laughed when i saw the belt air out was left unprotected. Had to run abs pipe myself to cure that weak spot on the design. Dealer said it was designed that way to cool the exhaust pipe it blows on. what a load of B.S.
You won’t have any problems with the at all. You will actually have more problems with the snorkel then leaving it stock. Snorkels don’t flow enough air to keep the CVT cool. Nothing will get in there because of the CFM of air moving out. Keeps everything out.
Thanks but I do alot of deep water crossings and so far got about 600miles on it now with my own snorkle on there. If the motor stalled out while crossing I would be a dead duck. Love your brutal honesty .Keep it up!@@R.N.GPerformance
I know this doesn't pertain to this video but do u know what the bolt pattern is for a 950 sport4 is it 4x110 12- 1.25 or is it 12-1.50
What happen to ur C-Force 1K?
Nothing.
Wow, that dealership has issues I’d say !!!
I’m not thrilled but I feel like this is a CFMOTO problem not a dealer problem. This dealer takes good care of me.
I think you may have air in your lines
Huge possibility.
Hi bro
E brake? In europe we don t have it😮
I hope CFMOTO won't go down the KUBOTA path and start making more and more "fancy" but flimsy models that no one can afford. I've wanted to buy a Kubota RTV for a farm but not if I have to pay 35K for it. Kubota has COMPLETELY lost its mind and has priced itself out of the market. So CF-MOTO KEEP IT SIMPLE, CHEAP AND ROBUST, FFS!!
I agree. ☝️
Have you thought about installing your own standalone temp sensor, and gauge to see if you are right about the temperature?
I have.
Why bother with an e brake? My OG Maverick don't have one
Because brakes are nice to have.
I live in Canada iwont install that hand brakes
Oh man thats awful 😢 wheel chock on a rope i guess for me 😅 as for the overheating mine seems fine ☮️
No doubt.
Any issues with uforce 1000 not charging?
2023 models yes. The voltage regulators are garbage.
@@R.N.GPerformance just my luck
Regardless if it was mud causing the overheat . These things are an off road vehicle and meant to be put through mud and bottom line is IT SHOULD NOT OVERHEAT FROM GOING THROUGH MUD !! If the radiator is getting mud all over it then there is a design flaw . A little mud should be expected if someone is in front of you is slinging mud but never to the point that it over heats .
Agreed 💯
Hey brother I feel your pain but to be clear and honest CF Moto is CF Moto You can't polish a turd. If you want something economical but at a better value, I recommend buying a Segway villain either 64 or 72 in. They are far superior, more power the handling is next level they seem to be dependable and I think iyou will be much happier with them. I have a Segway villain, had a little brake issues, to be honest but that's fixed but mechanically, ergonomically and performance-wise it will slaughter any CF Moto out there at this point. So do yourself a favor, get rid of the CF Moto put it in your rear view mirror and just by a Segway villain You won't regret it!
I was going to get one but every dealer I talk with that sells them are warning me to stay away from them because they have all said basically the same things the company is super hard to work with when it comes to getting parts and warranty stuff. So I feel as if it would be a great machine until it breaks then it would be a headache. So right now I’ve decided to back off of one and not pull the trigger.
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If you like them so much all you do is talk. Bad about it
I talk good and bad. All machines have good and bad things if you don’t understand that you don’t belong near one. ☝️
It’s cfmoto absolute garbage 😂😂😂 it’ll break more then Polaris and canam
Nothing to do with a commie red star!
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Is this happening with the uforce too?