Good video 👍 Nice answering of questions posed to you with in depth responses. I like the previous reply that said pole barn with faux exterior 😊 I also like your idea of doors on either end to allow for airflow. Also keep in mind a smoke hood and vent pipe over your boiler door. Your boiler smoke stack and smoke vent pipe could be camouflaged in a cupola on the peak of the roof.
Thanks for answering my question! I’m in Alaska so freeze-ups are on our minds half the year. This looks like a great long term addition to your place.
Maybe in colder climates you could run a mixture of glycol in the systems, I'm really not very familiar with it. I know for here though, I'd be fine and not freeze stuff up as long as my hvac is on.🤷♂️
Thanks for the answers, Jack. If nothing else, I would get a small pull start gen to at least keep the pump running. Without any circulation, I would think the water jacket could freeze long before 3 days. Or that would be my fear, anyway.
You'd be surprised how very well insulated these things are. It often times take over a week for them to cool down. Especially without any heat loss from circulating. There'd still be a fire in there too. Just cause power goes off doesn't mean fire goes out. Whole house is on the list, on top of the other improvements we're doing in the next few months
Thanks Jack for getting back on our questions, what about a timber frame structure for the pad? I would look nice next to the log cabin open and could always enclose it down the road
If I'm gonna put a roof over it I'm gonna close it in, i though about having just a lean to type structure with open sides. I'd really just like to have everything under cover in there. We'll see what we come up with. Thank you for the idea!!!!
Informative video, Jack! Out here in Colorado, we have operated a Central Boiler 6048 Model for the past 15 years at our home place. She's still going strong! We've found that having a spare circulation pump, solenoid, fuses, and digital readout in stock and ready to replace as needed has served us well. Overall, we're pleased with our decision to get all our hot water and all our hot air needs met with an outdoor wood furnace. Take care!
My dealer has most everything in stock and has answered his phone in the middle of the night 🤣 super good dude, but that is a good idea to just have a few things on hand just in case. If i could have put a 6048 here i would have. He told me he wouldn't sell me one since my neighbors are so close. 🤷♂️ Thanks man 🤘
As for the Green vs seasoned. My thoughts. I've had my Hardy outdoor boiler 23 years now. I will toss unsplit, green rounds (trees cut 3 weeks ago) into the heater along wil some seasoned. In very cold nights- below 30 degree, i will fill heater 75% green, 25% seasoned. This gives me longer burn times, as i can fill the heater up at 8PM, and it will last till 8AM without refilling heater. I think of it as a kiln going on inside my boiler :) . It dries the wood, and it last longer. This may not for for newer style boilers, but works wonders in mine. LOVE you channel- thanks for the vids.
What you're describing is exactly how central boiler suggests you loading green wood if you have to use it. We're far enough ahead on supply, I'm okay using all seasoned wood. 🍻
6-7 years it will have paid for itself depending on how cold winters get and basing those numbers on at least 6 months of boiler running annually. My electric bill has already been cut by over half this month. ( if only using heat pumps) If I ran the heat pumps here to heat and the electric hot water heater it's over $550 bucks to heat this place keeping it at 70° a month. It's legit logs, not much "R" value in this place. Now I keep it 73° and my garage at 60ish depending on if I'm out there or not. For the most part wood is free. Unless I buy logs for the business. Even then I get the cut offs for free. Saws and splitter were paid off the first year I sold wood. Same thing with the dump trailer, It paid for itself after the following 2 seasons. I just keep reinvesting anything I do make trying to grow to where I can do 100 cord a year to sell and still keep 20 cord at all times for myself. I enjoy working, it's free exercise, my idle mind gets me in trouble and firewood keeps me seeing constant progression and I'm setting something up that my nephews can take over if they want it, 15 years from now too. So while a major investment, free heat is eventually there. 🍻🍻
Metal pole barn seems cheaper. Then, because you're semi off the beaten path (I think), frame it in later and then insulate if you wish. May "void" the pole barn's warranty but that way you can save some $$. Great episode, keep cuttin' brother!
Hey Jack if I can make a suggestion why don’t you go to your local Home Depot and buy some styrofoam cut out some pieces and glue it to the inside of the garage doors . That would be a cheap fix and help keep your garage heated. Cheers Woody !!!
Now you sound like my dad 🤣🤣 he said same thing. They even make kits for the doors too. It's stays plenty warm out there even with the bit of heat loss at the doors. That heats exchanger is silly how much heat it puts out. Thanks brother 🍻
Thanks for the response on the glycol question - was well worth the cliffhanging wait 😉😉. So if you're away from the house for an extended period of time do you need a Boiler Babysitter to feed it or does it rely on the continuous circulation to keep the water from freezing or would your HVAC system need to provide some heat to the water?? Talk to me Goose...
I answered that in the video 🤣🤣 As long as heatpumps are on it will heat up the heat exchanger in the plenum of ductwork and prevent boiler form freezing. So long as the pump is on in the boiler too. Most folks say your heating system will keep that water at around 80° coming off of whatever electric heat your air handler is pumping out.
@@LogCabinFirewood you prolly did but I'll be the 1st to admit that I can only pay attention to about every 3rd sentence - just ask my Missus. 😂😂 Thanks for spelling it out for me - you told me once, you told me twice but you shouldn't have to tell me once 😉😉
Right - but if your boiler doesn't reach the necessary set heat, then your HVAC will turn on, but it will heat all the water circulating back to your boiler if your pump continues to run. That means your using electricity to heat the large amount of water circulating to your boiler, around that jacket, back to your home. Will be expensive if that happens? Especially considering your heating water that is leaving your home and circulating outside?
@@DSmith-xf5xi from everything I've read online for folks that have chose to not burn their boilers for a season for whatever reason the hvac keeps the water at around 80° which is more than enough to prevent freezing. The water jacket itself, the thermal pex underground are both extremely well insulated too.
Great video Jack. Great explanation how the system works. Funny yesterday my 24 kw generac went online. Friend coming over to help with a week signal for WIFI. Not able to use my app.
Back up generator is on the list, I've got to run a bunch of conduit before I pour concrete!!! Get a cheap signal booster. I put one out in the garage for my tv, and now it hooked boiler up to that since it's a stronger signal.
Hey Jack, Excellent video and explanations. I don't want to be critical or negative, but make sure you look into the tax situation thoroughly. Tax deductions are taken off your income. Tax credits are taken off your tax bill. So, if you have a $2000 tax credit, 100k income , and 15k tax owed; the $2000 credit will reduce your tax owed from 15k to 13k. That is a much better deal than a deduction that would only reduce your income by 2k. Again, not trying to be negative; I just don't want the Go'ment to get more than they are supposed to.
Id suggest grid supplied natural gas if its available. If you have to use propane, do a lot of shopping around. And compareing lease tanks to buying a tank. Are local grange hall uses propane and we have had some less then pleasant experiences with 2 different propane companies. So we just bought a tank and dont have to live under there thumb any more. Generally the 24kw gens at full power suck down 4 gal of LPG a hour at full load. . Another option with natural gas is to replace the resistance electric backup heat with gas. Or adding a 4th heat option, Greatly reducing the size of generator needed. When the grid is down. 0.01c
I'm 5 minutes into vid so far, and have a question. I have a Hardy outdoor boiler, we use year round. The water only circulates when my inside thermostat calls for heat. Did I hear you correct and say that your water is on a 24 hour non stop circulation? That would mean than when your inside blower turns on, you have instant heat, but your water circulates non stop? As for mine, i see good and bad with this- as its instant heat, but the water circulating non stop- dont you loose a lot of water temp that way? Just asking/ learning..... now back to the vid . THANK YOU for posting this informative vid
@@jerrywayneray Water is on a continuous loop yes, it never stops. 330 gallons at 185° is hard to cool down fast. The only real loss I'm seeing is in the house where I haven't insulated the pex lines where it comes into the house.( which will be taken care of in next few days since I'm off work)
@@LogCabinFirewood I believe when the person installed my boiler he mentioned that it could possible be set up on a non stop circulation. Seems that would be rough on the water pump- running 24/7, and maybe wearing it out prematurely, but maybe not. After 22 years, i did have to replace the pump on mine, thats the only thing I have replaced. Also on mine, we do not have a water heater inside the house. Our hot water (drinkable) comes straight off the heater coils outside. Works wonders for hot showers, but very dangerous if one has kids- per the manufacture. We dont have kids, so we chose to have hot water straight off the heater- no water heater anymore inside house. Maybe all new ones do this now adays, I don't know. My water inside my tank (thermostat) is set to 180. When water drops below that, the fan blower for the fire box will start, and reignite my wood inside heater... I'm so glad stumbled upon your channel, sorry bout all the questions. North Carolina Here. Also, I have vertical Wolferidge splitter, only 14 hours, with conveyor for sale, if you know anyone interested :) ruclips.net/video/xQ6aiD5SI2g/видео.html
@@jerrywayneray I encourage the questions!!! I'm still learning my stove and what I can and can't to with this thing. So please ask away!!!! So for my hot water, its heated with a plate exchanger from the boiler, kinda acts as like a tankless hot water heater, but... big but... it's got a mixing valve on the side that feeds to the house supply where i can actually set the temp that comes out of the faucets and shower. I did a test with my electric hot water heater before enabling the plate exchange, and my water was at 118°. When I slipped those valves over to use the boiler it increased to 121° i cand adjust to add more cold water if I want it cooler, but I actually enjoy the nice hot water since I work outside and often freeze somedays🤣 Ill make another video soon about how things are hooked up inside.
@@LogCabinFirewood yes indeed ! I use to (still do actually) tell people about our shower- turn the cold water knob all way on, and barley turn hot water knob. Totally reverse from what we did 25 years ago before adding this boiler. We have no adjustments on the water coming into house- so its HOT coming into the house. Can be dangerous hot to the body, but we used to it after all these years. Love it ! ! !
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Very informative Jack! Nice job!!!
Thanks mom, love you bunches ❤️
Good video 👍 Nice answering of questions posed to you with in depth responses. I like the previous reply that said pole barn with faux exterior 😊 I also like your idea of doors on either end to allow for airflow. Also keep in mind a smoke hood and vent pipe over your boiler door. Your boiler smoke stack and smoke vent pipe could be camouflaged in a cupola on the peak of the roof.
Yeppers, definitely will have a vent of some sort above the door to exhaust the smoke. I like that cupola idea!!! Thanks Lyle 🤜🤛
Thanks for answering my question! I’m in Alaska so freeze-ups are on our minds half the year. This looks like a great long term addition to your place.
Maybe in colder climates you could run a mixture of glycol in the systems, I'm really not very familiar with it. I know for here though, I'd be fine and not freeze stuff up as long as my hvac is on.🤷♂️
Very informative. I learned alot today jack . Very nice boiler . Have a great day my boy
Thanks dad, you'll get to see this thing in action very soon!!!
Well presented video🇺🇸
Thanks Larry 🍻🍺
Thanks for the answers, Jack. If nothing else, I would get a small pull start gen to at least keep the pump running. Without any circulation, I would think the water jacket could freeze long before 3 days. Or that would be my fear, anyway.
You'd be surprised how very well insulated these things are. It often times take over a week for them to cool down. Especially without any heat loss from circulating. There'd still be a fire in there too. Just cause power goes off doesn't mean fire goes out.
Whole house is on the list, on top of the other improvements we're doing in the next few months
Good vide jack . And yes a pole building would look good brown .
I just think metal will look tacky next to a log cabin 🤣 we have a few years to plan. Who knows what we come up with 🤷♂️
Thanks
Great explanation of the boiler. You could build a pole barn over the boiler and give it a faux finish!! Stay Hydrated and Have a Safe Day
I think that's the direction we're thinking too.
Thanks Jack for getting back on our questions, what about a timber frame structure for the pad? I would look nice next to the log cabin open and could always enclose it down the road
If I'm gonna put a roof over it I'm gonna close it in, i though about having just a lean to type structure with open sides. I'd really just like to have everything under cover in there. We'll see what we come up with. Thank you for the idea!!!!
Dude a heated driveway 😮 YES! I remember Mike Morgan talked years back about few of the neighbors insanely long heated driveways.
It will be cool!!!! We'll see if we make it happen in my lifetime. I need to hit the powerball or mega millions.
Thanks for the info Jack!
Sure thing!!! Thanks
Informative video, Jack! Out here in Colorado, we have operated a Central Boiler 6048 Model for the past 15 years at our home place. She's still going strong! We've found that having a spare circulation pump, solenoid, fuses, and digital readout in stock and ready to replace as needed has served us well. Overall, we're pleased with our decision to get all our hot water and all our hot air needs met with an outdoor wood furnace. Take care!
My dealer has most everything in stock and has answered his phone in the middle of the night 🤣 super good dude, but that is a good idea to just have a few things on hand just in case.
If i could have put a 6048 here i would have. He told me he wouldn't sell me one since my neighbors are so close. 🤷♂️
Thanks man 🤘
Great video..Very informative.. Thank you 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🪓🪵🪓🪵
Thanks, appreciate you watching! 🍻
Nice video Jack - like the info on the boiler. Stay safe.
Thanks man, I'll try 🍻
As for the Green vs seasoned. My thoughts. I've had my Hardy outdoor boiler 23 years now. I will toss unsplit, green rounds (trees cut 3 weeks ago) into the heater along wil some seasoned. In very cold nights- below 30 degree, i will fill heater 75% green, 25% seasoned. This gives me longer burn times, as i can fill the heater up at 8PM, and it will last till 8AM without refilling heater. I think of it as a kiln going on inside my boiler :) . It dries the wood, and it last longer. This may not for for newer style boilers, but works wonders in mine. LOVE you channel- thanks for the vids.
What you're describing is exactly how central boiler suggests you loading green wood if you have to use it.
We're far enough ahead on supply, I'm okay using all seasoned wood. 🍻
Very nice explanation .
Appreciate that!🍻
A simpler was on how a boiler works. Your car heater works the same way as there is a small radiator (heater core) under the dashboard.
Hmmm i like it 💪
Another great video, but the free heat is a very long time down the road if ever.
6-7 years it will have paid for itself depending on how cold winters get and basing those numbers on at least 6 months of boiler running annually.
My electric bill has already been cut by over half this month. ( if only using heat pumps)
If I ran the heat pumps here to heat and the electric hot water heater it's over $550 bucks to heat this place keeping it at 70° a month. It's legit logs, not much "R" value in this place. Now I keep it 73° and my garage at 60ish depending on if I'm out there or not.
For the most part wood is free. Unless I buy logs for the business. Even then I get the cut offs for free.
Saws and splitter were paid off the first year I sold wood. Same thing with the dump trailer, It paid for itself after the following 2 seasons. I just keep reinvesting anything I do make trying to grow to where I can do 100 cord a year to sell and still keep 20 cord at all times for myself.
I enjoy working, it's free exercise, my idle mind gets me in trouble and firewood keeps me seeing constant progression and I'm setting something up that my nephews can take over if they want it, 15 years from now too.
So while a major investment, free heat is eventually there. 🍻🍻
@@LogCabinFirewood Just don't hold your breath, it'll happen.
I use our wood stove for 41 years and oil on one zone.
Hahaha just the title…you told me this the other day. Many thanks Jack.
Haha subliminal messages
Great job jack, my 20 plus year old boiler is definitely not as efficient as yours. But seems to work ok to heat the shop.
You also have endless supply of wood, use that old booler up until you can't anymore 💪
Very interesting! Thanks Jack👍🍻👍
Appreciate you stopping by! 👍🍻
Metal pole barn seems cheaper. Then, because you're semi off the beaten path (I think), frame it in later and then insulate if you wish. May "void" the pole barn's warranty but that way you can save some $$. Great episode, keep cuttin' brother!
hi there interesting info . best to all john
Thanks buddy cheers
Hey Jack if I can make a suggestion why don’t you go to your local Home Depot and buy some styrofoam cut out some pieces and glue it to the inside of the garage doors . That would be a cheap fix and help keep your garage heated.
Cheers Woody !!!
Now you sound like my dad 🤣🤣 he said same thing. They even make kits for the doors too.
It's stays plenty warm out there even with the bit of heat loss at the doors. That heats exchanger is silly how much heat it puts out.
Thanks brother 🍻
Thanks for the response on the glycol question - was well worth the cliffhanging wait 😉😉.
So if you're away from the house for an extended period of time do you need a Boiler Babysitter to feed it or does it rely on the continuous circulation to keep the water from freezing or would your HVAC system need to provide some heat to the water?? Talk to me Goose...
I answered that in the video 🤣🤣
As long as heatpumps are on it will heat up the heat exchanger in the plenum of ductwork and prevent boiler form freezing. So long as the pump is on in the boiler too. Most folks say your heating system will keep that water at around 80° coming off of whatever electric heat your air handler is pumping out.
@@LogCabinFirewood you prolly did but I'll be the 1st to admit that I can only pay attention to about every 3rd sentence - just ask my Missus. 😂😂
Thanks for spelling it out for me - you told me once, you told me twice but you shouldn't have to tell me once 😉😉
@902hand7 lol 🤣
Right - but if your boiler doesn't reach the necessary set heat, then your HVAC will turn on, but it will heat all the water circulating back to your boiler if your pump continues to run. That means your using electricity to heat the large amount of water circulating to your boiler, around that jacket, back to your home. Will be expensive if that happens? Especially considering your heating water that is leaving your home and circulating outside?
@@DSmith-xf5xi yup it wouldn't be cost effective at all, but won't let the boiler freeze.
@@DSmith-xf5xi from everything I've read online for folks that have chose to not burn their boilers for a season for whatever reason the hvac keeps the water at around 80° which is more than enough to prevent freezing. The water jacket itself, the thermal pex underground are both extremely well insulated too.
Great video Jack. Great explanation how the system works. Funny yesterday my 24 kw generac went online. Friend coming over to help with a week signal for WIFI. Not able to use my app.
Back up generator is on the list, I've got to run a bunch of conduit before I pour concrete!!!
Get a cheap signal booster. I put one out in the garage for my tv, and now it hooked boiler up to that since it's a stronger signal.
Thanks Jack for the info. Thanks for responding back.
Hey Jack, Excellent video and explanations.
I don't want to be critical or negative, but make sure you look into the tax situation thoroughly. Tax deductions are taken off your income. Tax credits are taken off your tax bill. So, if you have a $2000 tax credit, 100k income , and 15k tax owed; the $2000 credit will reduce your tax owed from 15k to 13k. That is a much better deal than a deduction that would only reduce your income by 2k.
Again, not trying to be negative; I just don't want the Go'ment to get more than they are supposed to.
@@Ken-e6w5h okay, that makes sense, I stand corrected 🤣🤣 thanks brother 🤜🤛
Agree
@jillmarsh1397 I'm not perfect 🤣
Id suggest grid supplied natural gas if its available.
If you have to use propane, do a lot of shopping around. And compareing lease tanks to buying a tank. Are local grange hall uses propane and we have had some less then pleasant experiences with 2 different propane companies. So we just bought a tank and dont have to live under there thumb any more.
Generally the 24kw gens at full power suck down 4 gal of LPG a hour at full load.
.
Another option with natural gas is to replace the resistance electric backup heat with gas. Or adding a 4th heat option, Greatly reducing the size of generator needed. When the grid is down.
0.01c
No nature gas out here.
We will buy our own 500gal tank. There's tons of options here, just have to get something eventually.
Thanks David 🤜🤛
I'm 5 minutes into vid so far, and have a question. I have a Hardy outdoor boiler, we use year round. The water only circulates when my inside thermostat calls for heat. Did I hear you correct and say that your water is on a 24 hour non stop circulation? That would mean than when your inside blower turns on, you have instant heat, but your water circulates non stop? As for mine, i see good and bad with this- as its instant heat, but the water circulating non stop- dont you loose a lot of water temp that way? Just asking/ learning..... now back to the vid . THANK YOU for posting this informative vid
@@jerrywayneray Water is on a continuous loop yes, it never stops.
330 gallons at 185° is hard to cool down fast. The only real loss I'm seeing is in the house where I haven't insulated the pex lines where it comes into the house.( which will be taken care of in next few days since I'm off work)
@@LogCabinFirewood I believe when the person installed my boiler he mentioned that it could possible be set up on a non stop circulation. Seems that would be rough on the water pump- running 24/7, and maybe wearing it out prematurely, but maybe not. After 22 years, i did have to replace the pump on mine, thats the only thing I have replaced. Also on mine, we do not have a water heater inside the house. Our hot water (drinkable) comes straight off the heater coils outside. Works wonders for hot showers, but very dangerous if one has kids- per the manufacture. We dont have kids, so we chose to have hot water straight off the heater- no water heater anymore inside house. Maybe all new ones do this now adays, I don't know. My water inside my tank (thermostat) is set to 180. When water drops below that, the fan blower for the fire box will start, and reignite my wood inside heater... I'm so glad stumbled upon your channel, sorry bout all the questions. North Carolina Here. Also, I have vertical Wolferidge splitter, only 14 hours, with conveyor for sale, if you know anyone interested :)
ruclips.net/video/xQ6aiD5SI2g/видео.html
@@jerrywayneray I encourage the questions!!! I'm still learning my stove and what I can and can't to with this thing. So please ask away!!!!
So for my hot water, its heated with a plate exchanger from the boiler, kinda acts as like a tankless hot water heater, but... big but... it's got a mixing valve on the side that feeds to the house supply where i can actually set the temp that comes out of the faucets and shower. I did a test with my electric hot water heater before enabling the plate exchange, and my water was at 118°. When I slipped those valves over to use the boiler it increased to 121° i cand adjust to add more cold water if I want it cooler, but I actually enjoy the nice hot water since I work outside and often freeze somedays🤣
Ill make another video soon about how things are hooked up inside.
@@LogCabinFirewood yes indeed ! I use to (still do actually) tell people about our shower- turn the cold water knob all way on, and barley turn hot water knob. Totally reverse from what we did 25 years ago before adding this boiler. We have no adjustments on the water coming into house- so its HOT coming into the house. Can be dangerous hot to the body, but we used to it after all these years. Love it ! ! !
Great job with the video brother. I’m sure I’ll keep harassing you. 👍
Thanks bro. Always here... unless I'm sleeping 🤣