The REAL Reason the Jedi Order FAILED
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Often times the Sith are blamed for the downfall of the Jedi Order, but upon closer inspection the relation between the Jedi and the Galactic Republic was never sustainable in the long run. This wasn't a relationship governed by rules and boundaries, instead the two groups are held together by an informal handshake, it was a union that was doomed to fail.
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It was me, Krennic! It was me.
Again Allen… you got to stop acting like you’re on expert on real-life politics just because you understand how politics works in Star Wars.
Understanding politics in a fictional universe does not make one an expert on understanding real-life politics.
Make it clear what you’re saying is just your opinion on real-life politics or don’t bring up real-life politics if you’re not going to back up what you’re claiming with evidence.
Yo gen tech where are the subtitles?
@@Hesaysalot good night Karen
@@V.B.Squire I don’t think you understand what a Karen actually is there Ken.
You can go ahead and blindly believe and defend everything a RUclipsr you like says and does even if they’re blatantly wrong like Allen here, but it won’t change the fact people like you and Allen aren’t qualified or informed enough to make claims about how real-life politics works lol
The Jedi should never have allowed themselves to be tied so closely to a political entity or government. As servants of the Force they should have known that governments rise and fall, civilizations evolve and cultures shift. By forcing stagnation through their support for the Republic they only ensured that they would die with it. The Sith were not even completely responsible for the Fall of the Old Republic, they just fanned the flames and positioned themselves to profit from the chaos.
I completely agree with you, it was a mistake to allow themselves to become tied to the judicial branch of the Republic. You are right that the Jedi ended up forcing stagnation. In the ROTS novel Yoda finally realized that he had failed the order because he didn’t allow it to change, he had been too rigid, and too arrogant to see that the old way was not the only way. Whereas the Sith had changed, they had remade themselves, they had evolved over a millennia thanks to Darth Bane.
@@jmwilliamsart I think QGJ should of taken a seat on the Jedi Order to push change.
@@datawolf2318 Perhaps, but Qui Gon was just one man, and many of the other council members probably wouldn’t have allowed any meaningful change. The Jedi had centuries to change (under Yoda) but they chose not to allow the order to evolve. Therefore the Jedi order had to fall so that a better order could emerge later on, a renaissance if you will. Luke’s order in Star Wars Legends (forget the sequel trilogy) is what the Jedi should’ve been.
@@jmwilliamsart totally! but I believe Qui Gon had support which couldve pushed some early modificaitons.
In short, the Jedi Order had become complacent and arrogant which led to their downfall.
God this shit is getting redundant lol
They were thus evil
@@austincalhoun1752well it’s true!
@@gabrielaj2066 oh most definitely true they were so corrupt and dogmatic especially in the end
when ahsoka got blamed for the bombing that was really the straw that broke the camels back i dont blame ahsoka for leaving i would have left too oh and dont even get me started with how bad they did anakin
That's why I like Palpatine as a villain so much, no matter what the Jedi did, they where going to lose something against him, for not being aware of the exploits and his presence.
A shame everyone forgot about that genius when Palpatine became Emperor.
The real tragedy of the jedi failure is that half of the tragedies in the prequels could have been avoided. The jedi at the time were peace keepers but despite their all their powers despite force empathy they allowed themselves to serve people who were truly awful without a second thought with absolute obedience. Boba fett eventually became the clone template because the corrupt ruler of the planet they were fighting on called the jedi and they never questioned it, they did not try to find a middle ground, handle negotiations or even make a proper assessment of the situation and because of that they destroyed a mandalorian faction that could be the most pro republic and set up the motions of another civil war. They just sent a couple dozen dudes and let things play out, it was obvious that this way of operation is unsustainable.
Agreed and the rule of no relationships was emacyed 4k years before this and also slowly over time weakend their numbers so also by this time ensured their death imagine their numbers had they not had that rule much less how many jedi falling away becuase of that they just ensured the fall of the jedi and the rise of the empire and sith rule
I remember a comment from Kreia, asking, what remains of a Jedi, if you take away his Force? He would be more inept than anyone else. They rely too much of the force. Every clever detective like a Star Wars Sherlock Holmes relying on logic and deduction would have found out Sidious and his plan in no time.
As to your point: if you have a SUPER-SORCERER in office... the way to "go to bureaucracy" is basically suicide. It's like 1933 saying "oh Hitler is evil, let's report that to the police!"
Rely on The Force is more than well & all; there is nothing wrong with it whatsoever, however… if The Force meant for us let alone The Jedi themselves to relay on The Force as for the only source of brain power, The Force would not give a brain & anatomy over it to any sentient being anywhere in the universe in the first place.
If one insist on relay on The Force just as that much as The Old Republic Era Jedi does, especially the ones during The Old Republic Era's final end period, a.k.a. The Clone War period of that era, for at least one can do is balance thing out by equity relay on one's own brain power & mind as much as that one relay on The Force.
I'd argue that the Clone War is to partially blame. CIS droid army supposedely ran on logics and calculation, and it made the jedi consider logics to be inferior to the force due to both arrogance and hostility. Likely a sentiment Palpatine exploited to his benefit
I recommend the novels "Heir to the Empire" and "I, Jedi." In the first Luke temporarily loses connection with the Force and proves himself smart and capable even without it. In the second Luke's student Corran Horn learns to reconcile his Jedi powers and skills with those of his former profession as a detective (at one point he muses that while one approach may work better than the other sometimes, neither is inherently better). Luke mentions how Corran's grandfather (also a Jedi and detective), often solved problems without relying purely on the Force and was admirable for doing so.
This strikes a cord with the FBIs criticism of believing they are elite AND beyond question when the real hallmark of being elite is embracing oversight & criticism for constant self improvement and self correction
THIS topic should have been what the sequel trilogy was about. The rebuilding of the galactic republic and the Jedi Order but finding a way to keep them as allies but apart from one another. 1-3 was about the father, 4-6 about the son, and 7-9 should have been about Leia's battle to rebuild the republic while Luke is training the next Jedi order. Both can be guided by Anakin but he focuses most of his attention on Leia as it is the power the Republic controls that can bring pain and suffering to the innocent people of the galaxy and so the foundation of the new Republic needs to be strong and at the same time wholly separate from the Jedi order. Meanwhile Yoda and Obi Wan give guidance to Luke on what happened to the order and how to best avoid it happening again in the future. This last trilogy could have been a homage to old fans while building a foundation for what comes after.
But, no.
Instead we got A New Hope v1.5 and then a train wreck of "subverted expectations" afterwords.
So basically the EU wita more direct and simpler story arch. 😃
@@hackman669 where is a unified europe? with a common army, election corp, law system? if u dont like it, there is RusSith Empire
No goof ball. He meant Star Wars Expanded Universe. It was series of stories, novels, and comics about what happened after movies 3 4 and 5.
Actually we got A New Hope v1.5, Return of the Jedi Act 3 Super Extended Cut, and a 30 minute finish.
I said this on another video, but their culture of suppressing or avoiding emotions instead of learning how to process them properly is where they messed up.
Given how much you talk about Star Wars philosophy in your videos, I think it’s natural that you should one day do a collaboration with Geetsly’s. There’s a lot of Star Wars topics you two could explore and put your heads together on.
The Jedi Order failed when it decided to champion "Republic" and "Democracy" rather than listen to the will of The Force.
The Order fell because they decided to remove one of their most important Branches: The Sentinel Corps. Their mission statement was to track down Sith and Dark Jedi that might exist within the Galaxy, but they did more for the Galaxy than just that. The Sentinel Corps also benefitted local law enforcement agencies using their suite of Non-Force Sensitive Skills to help out in arrests and investigations of criminal activity that would happen in the Mid and Outer Rim Territories, these were hard-boiled detectives and gumshoes rather than Lightsaber-wielding Samurai, and that the Sentinels weren't so above using firearms like their contemporaries. When the Sentinels were disbanded, the members were reassigned the position of Temple Guards; and because of their absence: the Mid and Outer Rim Worlds would eventually fall to Pirates and Criminal Enterprises like the Hutts, along with the Order at-large being in the Republic Senates' pocket as their personal attack dogs that had distanced themselves from the daily affairs of the Galaxy. Naturally because of this isolationist view, and the removal of their standing forces in the Mid and Outer Rim Worlds; they would decide to take matters into their own hands to protect themselves by establishing the CiS. And even when there was tentative hints at the return of the Sith that were leading the CiS, The Sentinels weren't released to go and fight in the war; despite how effective they are and familiar they are with battle: instead the only ones allowed to leave the Temple Grounds were the aloof Consulars and Sword-brained Guardian Corps.
It took The Clone Wars, Order 66, and the rise of the Galactic Empire for the few surviving Padawans and Knights to finally realize how badly the Order had screwed over the Galaxy by disbanding the Sentinels in the first place.
Great idea 💡👍
The jedi should have been a neutral ally to The Republic and not be fully entwined so they can easily fight injustices around the Galaxy without having to ask the Republic's permission all the time.
It's a shame they became so centralized after the Old Republic era. Having temples and academies throughout the galaxy would have helped foster that neutral impression.
Exactly, instead of a police force Jedi become more like a religious group with less dogma. They could train force users to control their powers, peace negotiators and be productive. Could train non- force users to be mindful, conflict resolution and history.😄
Their hubris in my opinion was one of the greatest factors of their downfall.
7:31 Even if Mace Windu taken out Palpatine, the latter has a failsafe of making sure the puppet war he orchestrated will become a full blown real war with nothing holding back the Separatists this time.
If he can't have the galaxy, then no one will.
Sounds like the good ending.
but dooku and grevious is dead so there is no commander
@@veyselkerematak9897 Kalani.
Plus Separatist leaders won't be taken out since Anakin wasn't sent there and will continue the war anyway.
@@veyselkerematak9897 dooku and grievious aren't the only separatist leader that existed. Others will take their place.
Honestly if the Jedi stayed out of galactic politics both the Republic and Jedi Order could have survived instead of both organizations falling into decadence.
Coleman Trebor should've been in Skywalker Saga, as well as Jedi Bob
Always love your content, keep up the amazing work!!!
The same happened with the Rakatan Empire, they tried to augment their darkside powers through science and the Force pushed back altering it into a disease that cut them off from the force entirely.
i saw the beginnings of the Jedi-Republic alliance in different way.
Both Republic and Jedi were one among many, many space polities and many Force groups, each pursuing different approaches to understand the Force,
I believe the reason the Republic and the Jedi teamed up was so that the fletchling Republic (maybe a half-dozen star systems at this point) could be defended from other Force users, presumably some Force users actually ruling some polities (without them being evil), and the Jedi would be the only group allowed to use the Force.
As the Republic grew, the Jedi would destroy and assimilate other Force using groups (i hesitate to call them cults) and where the Jedi would start taking children to train, where they were unlikely to be indoctrinated in different approaches to use the Force).
In time, the Republic would become this huge, swollen bureaucracy and the Jedi became a more peaceful, benevolent and spiritual guardians of the Force and Republic.
And I believe the reason Mace Windu did not go by the book to arrest the Chancellor was because the Senate was almost fully behind Palpatine and feared that the Senate would rise against the Jedi and the Jedi's only hope was to cut off the head of the snake before it became a hydra.
What were the chances the Jedi would effect a great sea change in everything they did before the Clone Wars started?
I would agree, but Windu points out that ‘he’s got control of the senate and the courts’ and could possibly escape prosecution while making the Jedi look bad.
I'd very much like to see Generation Tech's thoughts on the Space Marines of 40K, a monastic order specifically bred to wage war for the Imperium but also occupy a politically complicated position being somewhat the polar opposite of the Jedi.
As for the Jedi, there should have been much more specialization than what we saw. The knights are important and should be seen as the public face of the order, but there should also be the sages who delve into the mysteries of the force and maintain the sacred sites far from the concerns of the Republic, the sentinels who investigste and hunt the darkside and even among the knights they should be taught about the ancient battles and learn the martial skills beyond using a lightsaber. There needed to be more room for specialization in the order, along with a Republic military to procide the general security and protection for the average citizens.
Palpetine already had the senate enthralled to himself; they would never "Vote him out". Palpetine knew Anakin would immediately tell somebody, so time was an issue, and ofcourse as we've all heard *He could not be left alive, too powerful. Windu's plan was correct, it was Anakin that Really ******* everything up.
As an anime fan myself, I recommend watching _How a Realist Hero Rebuilt the Kingdom_ for, under the _Star Wars_ context of course, political reasons…
7:22 Palpatine had deposed General Zod, one of Christopher Reeves Superman's enemies.
Haha 😄🤣😂
No wonder the Jedi Order needed a hard reboot. The chances of them effecting a sea change in their belief's were practically non-existent as they were before the Clone Wars.
All religions must change to adapt with the ⏲️📰🆗️
@@hackman669---Agreed
They should’ve never been tied to a government. George has said they’re like Buddhist monks so why would they join the republic in the first place
While what you're saying seems reasonable at first. Thing is, it all falls apart when you remember it wasn't just because pappatine was a sith that windu went after him. He went to arrest him because they found out pappatine was the sith running the separatists. That is a huge difference.
It's still reasonable and what Windu did was anticipated by Palpatine. He knew that the Jedi's desperation (the idea that they'd have no allies if they tried to go about legally getting rid of Palpatine via vote of no confidence) would make them feel like the only thing they could do would be to disregard the proper channels and attempt to "arrest" him which gave Palpatine what he needed to gain emergency powers and purge the Jedi. He was counting on the Jedi not telling the Senate. I think you don't give the Senate enough credit, just like Mace, there were many who were tired and sceptical of the war and Palpatines administration, and had they rallied those leaders, they would have had a much better chance then to make themselves genuinely look like they were attempting a coup during a time where citizens were over their whole "guardians of peace in the Galaxy" bullshit they had been peddling throughout the Clone Wars.
The problem is that the Jedi could not keep themselves separate from the Republic. Not since they banished their dark side users way back which resulted them meeting the Sith. By siding with the Republic they sent a clear signal that they are not Sith, which was one of the few ways normal people could distinguish the two sides.
However their crusade to destroy the Sith bound both sides into a cycle of conflicts which bound the Jedi more and more to the Republic. As the Jedi never even considered any kind of coexistence with the Sith their connection to the Republic was cemented. After all, this represented their greatest advantage over the Sith.
Well, after forgetting why the Dark Side is weaker that is.
Not sure if this has been done before, but he brings up a neat little notion: what if the Jedi had gone to the Senate and tried to rally the Republic against Palpatine? Sure, the result would've been that Sidious would've gone underground to cause more mischief, but nobody would believe in him blindly anymore. Though, would Order 66 still happen since it had to be given from the Chancellor's office? Would it even be valid to the Clones?
This is why I like this man's channel; he comes with in-depth, lore accurate star wars vids whilst invoking new ideas for the canon to have gone down along with throwing in his own personal bit of wisdom.
You are ignoring a big piece of the puzzle. By this stage the Jedi knew the Sith were controlling both sides of the war. They also knew that the Sith were responsible for the clones. They had also had a clone trooper (Tup) that had killed a Jedi master. With all of this put together they would have felt that trying the legal way would have turned Palpatine against them (which it absolutely would have). There is a lot more going on than just what is seen in that one scene.
Yeah all those red flags and they still all died. Why? Because they were arrogant and stupid!
That inhibitor chip BS only happened in the Filoniverse.
At most the Jedi should have been impartial mediators for the entire galaxy, not just the Republic except when it comes to countering the Sith. If that was the case then they would be much more resistant to corruption ,arrogance, decadence and paranoia. Plus, they wouldn't go down along with any government due to a lack of ties to any single government.
I think the Jedi being too tied to the Republic was part of it. If they stayed as a neutral entity, theoretically they would've called both the Republic and the CIS to the table (with the possible help of the Neutral Systems Council) to work out an treaty. Whether it would actually address the problems facing the Outer and Mid Rim and stay as one state or actually splitting them up into two separate states. (possibly a third state if the NSC decided to leave the Republic as well)
“They execute the will of the Republic as if it is the will of the Force.” - Darth Plagueis
"It's always the same story. People just can't leave each other alone." - Doc Mitchell, Fallout: New Vegas
Having no enemies makes you lazy.
Always keep eyes open. Never get too comfortable. 😃
And it can make you arrogant.
It was the Force that destroyed the Jedi Order. Palpatine and Vader were just it's instruments.
The Jedi never failed because they were on the light side despite the fanbase's nonsense about Grey Jedi. The Jedi failed when they WEREN'T on the light side, even if they thought they were. They overattached themselves to the politics of a failing Republic instead of the Force.
Thank goodness the Senate survived that Jedi Coup.
At least until Palpatine dissolved it.
That has always been a question of mine.
If the Jedi were peace keepers, and generally had no military experience. Why were they allowed to be Generals and lead the clone army?
That's never made sense to me.
I always felt guilty as a kid because I started to resent the Jedi Council and Code based on the obvious hypocrisies and actions. I remember the first issue I had with them! "Wait, they just find Force sensitive babies and take them from their parents forever?!"
I think the complicated relationship that the Jedi had with the Republic is the core of entire saga. The machinations that led to the Jedi being made responsible for the creation of the clone army was a brilliant move by Sidious. It gave the Jedi a more defined role in the government and eventuall led to their corruption and downfall.
The Jedi Order did not know about or commission the Clone army though. They were taken by surprise in Episode 2, Sifo-Dyas did it behind their backs. And yet the fanbase loves to hate on the Jedi for creating the Clone army -- they didn't. The Clones were going to be used by the Republic whether the Jedi worked with them or not.
It is important to maintain separation of church and state. The Republic was a secular state too deep in politics and a lack of regional representation. While the Jedi were a dogmatic religion doubling as hostage negotiators and police force. 🚔
Sometimes its interesting to step back and realize a detailed examination of fictional governmental systems is just rather odd or unique. Every answer comes down to ultimately "because a writer decided to write it this way". I mean we seem to enjoy political and legal discussions that we create fake worlds to argue about hypothetical, non realist governments.
Coleman trebor's Thumbnail reminded me that the Dinosaurs and Jedi Order have a similiar story going on. Both are a clade or an order of great prosperity. Diverse with species and a great influence to the world they inhabited. They were humbled and fell overnight, but survivors of the impactful event would suffer through a dark time and many would die off. But their linages survived with a last and final hope. Birds are the last remaining dinosaurs. Luke was the only Jedi left (Not counting Ahsoka and any others?) who would face the Empire. I hope I wasted your brain cells by reading this.
Different topic, but I heard there's a SW story where the droids go full Skynet on both the Rebellion & the Empire, I think it's called "SW: Dark Droids", which as a concept might be interesting to do a video about that, sounds very not-generic for SW.
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it." is how the galaxy and the Jedi saw the situation for the thousand years before their demise. The problem is that inertia had set in and even when the system did start breaking both sides didn't want to fix it, and kicking the can down the road just made it harder and harder to really start. With no great existential challenges stagnation set in. Monopolies are bad, I bet if the Jedi had a rival group of light side practitioners maybe they wouldn't have been vulnerable, with both being a check on each other.
Not really related, but when I was watching the video I was reminded of something I've always wondered about the force: Is a force user really able to make independent choices? I mean, if you follow the light side you do what the force wills. And it seems to me that while dark side force-users don't follow the will of the force, they tend to end up doing what the force wants them to do. Not to mention the force corrupts them to act in the same self-destructive way. Even those neutral in the force, like the bendu, still follow the wills of the force. Though I'm not certain about them, the bendu is just one neutral practitioner of the force.
Is there any possibility to NOT follow the will of the force? I wouldn't really want to follow the will of the force even if I was a force user. It seems hell-bent on making the galaxy fight each other the whole time. Maybe I have the way the force works completely wrong. I would appreciate hearing people's thoughts on this matter. Thank you for reading.
I agree with one of the comments which stated that the Republic had grown too big to govern effectively. Why didn’t they try creating 2 or 3 separate Republics instead, one based on Coruscant, one based on Corelia, and another somewhere else? It just seems to me that this would be more manageable than having one large Republic, what do you guys think?
I will admit that I always found the notion of a completely unified galaxy to be rather implausible. I always thought Star Trek's multiple polities is more believable.
Putting that aside I would think that an independent polity or polities in the mid to outer rims would be best. Honestly given the dependence the core had on the outer rim it amazes me that no one tried to set up their own interstellar government bed the clone wars.
@@Loneguy22 I like your suggestion of having independent polities for the mid to outer rim systems, that seems more practical than a Galactic government. The bigger the Republic got the more ineffectual and dysfunctional it became. Some sort of conflict between the core, the mid rim, and the outer rim worlds was bound to happen even if the Sith were not involved.
We know your right Alan but can we all at least agree, Luke peaked the Jedi order to its greatest embodiment in the EU timeline?
Now that you mentioned the real reason why the Jedi Order failed, how about the real reason why the Republic failed? What is your answer to this question? Mine is that the Republic is too big to be govern when it expanded all over the known galaxy.
P.S: Do you know there are videos about Star Wars anime opening with Demon Slayer songs out there, Alan? Check them out! They're awesome!
I agree with your statement about the Republic being too large to govern.
Republic needed more regional and local representation. Planetary governments needed more autonomy to foster economic growth, trade and domestic security. While the core government would focus more on galactic trade, fairness, settling disputes and maintaining a militia, with recruits from all member worlds, against domestic and outside threats. 😀
@@hackman669 My thought is that the Republic should become more like the Byzantine Empire when it comes to size. By being limited to just the Core Worlds and the Colonies and create their own theme system to be used within the Republic's borders, the Republic can worked just fine. What the Core Worlds needed to do is work with the local governments in the Colonies to grow crops to feed the troops stationed there and create weapons and equipment for them to use. With a large number of territories reduced to just the Core Worlds and the Colonies, the Republic will have more resources to be distributed to the new frontiers and also having more times to pay attentions to such developments because the Senate no longer needed to govern the entirety of the known galaxy.
What's up with the duel microphones? Are they in a duel to the death?
I know this is a long shot, but I think it would be cool of you collaborated with your fellow Star Wars RUclipsr, Thor Skywalker. He has a very different perspective on what Star Wars, especially the Jedi mean.
Was there a movement inside the order that contested the authority of the Council ? Were there push for democracy or at least transparency?
I certainly like the idea of the alternate universe in which the assassination of the supreme chancellor by the Jedi was successful.
Well like the old saying goes.. "strong Jedi, create easy times, that create bad an weak Jedi, which creates galactic crisis and bad times, facilitating the need to find strong remaining Jedi an train others in desperation
Well, the shift in the school of thought by the jedi in the Russan era was because of a very long period of relative peace and ultimately, stagnation. The Jedi always considered themselves to be peacekeepers and scholars first. But did not skimp on the combat training. And say what you will for the skill shown by many of the Jedi in the order during the late Republic, but without the back and forth tug of light and dark on more than isolated incidents that came up once the rule of two made them think the sith were destroyed. Well, that's when the stagnation began. The beliefs that the shadows held no place in the teachings or easy access to even veteran knights or masters. Ironically... It's the fear they so often is said to be a path to the dark side, is what brought them to ruin. Allowed Plageious and Sidious in particular to so cloud the Jedi's visions into the force.
The old ways of the order, in the times of the old republic, both before the Mandalorian wars and post first purge, knew that there were things to learn and abilities to tap into that were close to the dark side. But they needed to at least be understood if they were to fight the sith. While the Russan 'golden age' was the first great time of peace from large scale warfare in thousands of years, the push and pull between light and dark kept the jedi sharp, ever learning, ever willing to let emotion and attachment come forth when it was healthy or required. There is no being a warrior without aggression, anger, fear, grief, pride, relief, joy and love. For if you have no love, there is nothing to fight for because you have no attachment. No obligation. If the order had continued down it's stagnant path they would have collapsed, forever moving away from the true meaning behind the meaning of the code. Leaving people like Ahsoka, Barriss, Anakin, Dukoo, Quigon and others, as outsiders more and more. "Your actions are too dangerous, your thoughts are of a dark path." When even just 300 years before, they might have only quirked a brow.
Well the jedi hadn't been part of a military in over a thousand years so most of them were a bit rusty.
Sill as said in this video they really weren't prepared for what was to come.
I never expected to get an anime recommendation from this channel lol. Especially a gem like Demon Slayer.
You make many excellent points
Let's talk on how the Vong War story should have been written.
The Jedi should've remained separate from the Republic---a group that the Republic asks for help on occasion, sort of like a religion or an international organization that does good deeds on its own, with or without the support of whichever authorities are in charge.
I love the thumbnail for this video. It is perfect
Would you ever do a video about how the clone wars would've been if the jedi had actual military tatics training and skills
Jedi were more peace keepers and negotiators than generals. 😃
@hackman669 yea I know that's why it's a what if video, kinda like the one about if Mace Windu was Anakin's master not Obi-Wan
If the Sith had died out the Republic would have died anyway - it was too massive to be governed effectively.
Anyone who have a flag of the soviet union is definitely a red flag to me...
Mini chlorines the Force is science
The Jedi were given too much influence and it led to their own self inflicted downfall.
day 110
PLEASE DO MORE TACTICS VIDEOS
AND STUFF ABOUT STRUCTURE AND RANKS LIKE THE CIS NAVY
The Jedi lost themselves at Ossus
The differences between a republic and a democracy, as well as what they have in common, is a video of itself, and could take many hours to watch. Indeed, one thing to be aware of is how the two are not the same, but modern Americans tend to think so. Maybe Star Wars could be a medium for showcasing those differences, though I am uncertain.
The Force had it out for the Jedi from the start.
The Jedi will tell you that "Force Balance" means no dark side users.
The Force will tell you that "Force Balance" definitely doesn't mean a million Jedi and no Sith. It means balance. 1 Light Side unit of force power to 1 unit of Dark Side force power.
If there's a super powerful amount of Light Side users and no Dark Side users, there's no way you're able to tell me that's "Balance" and the Force is definitely setting the Jedi up
The sith themselves are an imbalance in the force, so balance does mean a whole lot of jedi and no sith. Not an equal amount of both.
@@WWTwoGuy
Nah that whole thing in Clone Wars where Anakin visited the Force Deities was all about how Dark and Light are equal sides to the same coin.
Dark Side is absolutely not an aberration, it's part and parcel with the idea.
George, much to my annoyance, agrees with them.
Jedi’s biggest failure was their involvement in politics which took them from listening to the force which they should have done to weak political correct mind set and Palpatine understood this and exploited this at full force
*What if?*
What if the Sith didn't succeed in starting the Clone Wars, what would have happened to the Republic and the Jedi?
If say Palpatine and Plageus had died in a shuttle accident before they could implement their plans and the Galaxy just ticked along.
What would the Jedi evolve to? Would they just continue becoming more detached and complacent?
A different What if?
What if Mace Windu had succeeded in defeated Palpatine?
Anakin comes in too late and finds Palpatine already dead, (the lift was busy..).
Or Anakin isn't such a moron and realises he's been played (or Windu listens to Ashoka about Mauls warning or....).
What happens then?
The CIS would probably lose, even though they are no longer being nerfed they've lost their only Jedi counters (Dooku and Grevous) and they were already on the back foot.
What does a post Clone Wars Jedi Order become, after they have won a great victory and are a military order?
Could they actually become a 'force for good'.
They have a very large hammer and there are a lot of nails (especially in the Outer Rim) that need justice.
Brain is booming with ideas for some reason.
I wish we would get a far in the past Star Wars movie or show that shows a Sith Lord beginning to plant the seeds within the republic government to start trying to put a hold on the Jedi Order. This leads to the Republic doing political bs to basically try to get more control over the Jedi. Then have each Film in the classic trilogy method be so many years into the future when we see the Free Jedi Order and the Old Republic slowly turn into what it becomes. If we don't end up with any retcons to the current sequel movies then we can have one of the movies introduce the Prophecy of the Chosen One, with a twist. The balance comes with the destruction of the Jedi Order and not the death of the Sith. Once the Republic gets it's hooks into the Jedi and it becomes a sort of branch of the republic government, the republic begins offering assistance to help them find more force users to train to bolster their numbers. this completely breaks the balance and the start of a deep rooted arrogance begins to develop in the Jedi Order.
(I'm not sure how people will react to a change like this but I'll say it anyway as it is the best way to kind of Tie it all together,)
take it all the way to movie number 3 and it follows a young padawan learner who develops an arrogance with the Force. We follow him and he loses someone he cared for deeply and this begins his quest to find the answers to death. Story stuff happens and we learn by the end that he leaves the Jedi and becomes a powerful and knowledgeable Sith Lord named Darth Plegueis.
In one single trilogy, each movie taking place hundred to thousands of years apart, whatever works best, making it feel like each is a stand alone movie but it's all tied to the core plot of the corruption of the Jedi Order. Then the next movie is about the corruption taking root and causing the Prophecy of the Chosen One to be discovered. ending with the third movie about a young padawan Force user growing to become Darth Plegueis the Wise.
Another important thing is they should have allowed love like ye it can lead to a life to the dark side but they do it right it wouldn’t lead to a army of sith heck in the best circumstances it leads to generations of Jedi new members and descendants with insanely powerful force ability’s with some of the knights and masters even being able to control the dark and the light sides while still being good
Checks and balances
We already know
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Striking metaphor.
Dinosaurs and the Jedi. Both fated to die because of an inability to adapt to their climate.
5:00 weird how inexplicably they never compromise on exploiting third world countries, increasing austerity or doing anything the wealthy capitalist class want them to do this week. Weird how the popularity of a law in Britain and the US has little or nothing to do with whether it will be implemented but the opinions of the richest people in the world has a massive impact. Weird how it takes years of ceasely campaigning in the face of police brutality to get even the barest, most inadequate watered down positive change to happen, for rights to be expanded and protections put in place but they get stripped away so fast it takes a whole seperate set of campaigns just for activists and radicals of today to maintain what activists and radicals of the past have won.
I love the cute kid swing in the background
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Could you make a video listing all the armies or organizations that fought for the Galactic Republic that weren’t clones? IE PDFs or police forces
Oh, you’re making this video again
The Jedi were not moral they were the most hypocrit organization in the galaxy they deserved order 66
Obviously, what caused the Jedi to fall were the long robes they kept Tripping over.
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Because they dabbled in child kidnapping
Personally, I think the Jedi Order should have gotten more involved in politics. I don’t like politics myself, but for all of Alan’s talk of the power of the Jedi Order within the government, they don’t seem to use that power much. Sure they are peacekeepers and generals, but they act only as defenders of the Republic and the Senate. I mean, what if they decided to provide political backing to senators to put an end to the corruption? With how popular the Jedi were, people would probably vote in candidates they supported. To be fair to counter-arguments, a part of the government endorsing candidates is probably very illegal. Though if corporations were allowed to get away with so much, I think the Jedi Order could give it a shot. Then after the corruption is dealt with, the Jedi just accept whatever punishment comes from the stuff they did to show they’re a noble organization.
I’m not sure about the Jedi being able to be as effective against the Sith in isolation. I mean, what if the Sith integrated themselves into a government like Palpatine did? What permission do the Jedi have to kill a Sith politician if they are hiding their evil behavior? If anything, it sounds like what happened after Mace’s attempt to kill Palpatine except it wouldn’t be labeled as treason.
Speaking of Mace, you do have to remember Palpatine was extremely powerful by this point in the Republic? Even Padme and her allies recognize this. Now, killing Palpatine and then presenting all the evidence about his manipulation of the war afterwards is going to look very suspicious and his closest supporters like Tarkin will no doubt fight back. Still, Palpatine will be dead leaving an opening that must be filled by an election. Two parties will likely form, a pro-Republic and a pro-Imperial party. In the short term, the Jedi Order is definitely going to be very unpopular and the Republic would be on the verge of civil war if it never breaks out. In the long run though, things might work out. When the evidence is actually gone over and confirmed to be true, it might sway people away from the pro-Imperials. The desire for security after the war will be high, so the Jedi Order and pro-Republic party will have to maintain a balance between that and freedom to come out on top.
If Mace really did try to go through the regular channels, I doubt things would work out. Palpatine could easily slow down the investigation or even label the Jedi as being paid by the Separatists to cause chaos, a justification for Order 66. Palpatine is also just too popular while the Jedi Order was being blamed for the war at the time. The time for doing things the legal way which I prefer was already past by the time of Revenge of the Sith. Only way by then was to kill Palpatine.
When it comes to the solitude thing, maybe it would be better if the Jedi Order created a branch of itself to operate in solitude while the main organization stays in the public eye. I mean, the Jedi can’t just go around fighting Sith and recruiting younglings from families if they live in isolation. Otherwise people will see them as supervillains causing chaos just because they hate a rival organization or see them as just being baby kidnappers who use their powers to manipulate people.
I will admit that the Jedi Order should have been made more official. It is said the Jedi serve the Senate, but they also serve the Chancellor and the Judicial Department. Either they should have officially been made their own separate branch or properly integrated somewhere.
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I have to disagree with you on that particular statement. Or at the very least note a level of concern. How and why anyone would want to, even in theory, be able to blindly trust anything seems to be a disturbing prospect. Blind faith is always going to lead to chaos and destruction. Look at any religion, and th fallout throughout the ages. For a more readily apparent example, look at Jan. 6th where people, acting on blind faith, ruined their lives.
Also, I'd make an argument that Mace Windu was easily as evil as Palpatine. And the Jedi order, throughout most of their history are equally as dark as the Sith. Actively so in most cases.
I think rather than monks at a monetary the jedi should have gone the opposite route and act more like a church, or Sikhs.
The jedi should not have been peace keepers or military but be a group of individuals who trust the will of the force and seek to love others and defend others. Not in a state-sponsored role but in an individual self-defense role. The Jedi should not go to worlds as United Nations-esque peace keepers but go to worlds to provide humanitarian aid and share with others about the force. Yes they should carry lightsabers but only in the same way a united states citizen may carry a handgun for self-defense, or a sikh would carry a kirpan.
Lastly Jedi should be allowed to marry and to have jobs outside the order, like how the majority of church members are not priests but everyday people who follow Jesus. Heck Jedi could even join the military but on an individual basis and not as an organization.
yes the Jedi are peacekeepers, but as a mindset and not as a political role for the republic.
This feels like a Sith apologist channel. Sidious isn't evil, he's just misunderstood. We need to understand where the Sith are coming from. Let them spread evil and destroy.
How many "real reasons" are there? 🤨
You shouldn't confuse republic and representative democracy,, the UK and Spain are not republics but China is a republic!
Also Democracy is not the best form of government, it's just the least bad form of government. Compromise often leads to bad decisions: American Chattel Slavery was tolerated for almost a century because of compromise, and was only ended because slavers went to war against the US to force their declining minority views on the rest of the Republic.
The irony is the only intolerance is intolerant to a tolerant society, ie racism, bigotry, bullying cannot be allowed to flourish for a tolerant society to survive as a tolerant society. My point is "Conservatism" or American fascism is a threat to the US as a whole.
By "American Fascist" I'm not saying they're Nazis, but something else. See in the Business Plot, business and industrial leaders hatched a conspiracy to back a military coup to displace the newly elected FDR, just as coups had been successful in Italy and Germany, a bit rough in Spain, and failed miserably in France. They selected Retired Marine General Smedley Butler, one of the most decorated Marines in US history, who in his retirement was a consummate advocate and lobbyist for veterans suffering through the great depression. The selected Butler for his long history of fighting for US business interests overseas, and his great reputation with Veterans who would need to serve as the fighting force of the coup. These Business leaders wanted to depose FDR and his New Deal. Smedley Butler saved America by going to a few meetings, listen to them, and the reported everything to Congress. A Congressional committee investigated claims and found them credible, but no one was arrested.
When war broke out almost a decade later, they made war profits, but went underground, but always with the same goal: to remove the New Deal. Using that as a key goal, you can see the rise of academic and economic research undermining elements of the New deal, you can see religious leaders who espouse anti-communist views get more funding and support. You can see conservative think tanks form. The thread continue through the modern day where the American Fascists openly attack Social Security in congress.
See American fascists aren't as racist or culturalist as european fascists. America is a melting pot from which they wish to profit and subjugate all in the name of those profits. Fascists may even be the wrong word, but so would Capitalists. See capitalists understand a robust competitive market means there's winners and losers, low barriers to entry and no one firm controls a majority or even a large fraction of the marketspace. Greed isn't good. competition is good, but there also needs to be standards and equity to ensure a minium safety and quality. American Fascists don't understand or like capitalist markets, because at the end of the day, it means their wealth and influence is always at risk. The greatest irony of course is progressive programs and policies provide the greatest long term stability and profitability, but it means their slice of the pie is a smaller angle, even if the pie will get considerably larger.
You do realize that all Americans aren't 'fascists', right?
Communism doesn't require faith, it requires both a completely selfless body of government and strict enforcement. Really hard thing for humans to manage. Also I don't think religion provides any benefits to society that couldn't be just as easily achieved through secular means.
Perhaps new communism will accept religions and individual rights for its people. A collective gets its strength from people. 😄
'Completely selfless body of government'
Tell us you're a moron who doesn't understand Communism without actually saying it....
Literally spent an hour looking at lightsabers thanks to you 🙄
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i adore your content but your perception of real life political ideologies always leaves me baffled
It's problematic to compare fiction to real world sensibilities, though I appreciate your interesting attempts at it. But it just misses the actual meaning of the story. This story takes place "a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away." The Jedi are not a stand-in for organized religion in our world. We can't fairly judge them from our real world POV because they aren't from our world. The principles they live by and what they need to do to be who they are in the story aren't up for debate through our lens. They are heros, heros that make errors of judgement but are still the heros. We must understand them within their story, not through the lens of our world. Within the story they selflessly served the Republic because they supported the concept of democracy, but their work was not limited to the Republic. The Republic was becoming corrupt and an evil mastermind was both behind that corruption and using it. He even corrupted certain of the Jedi. But not all. To say the whole Order was corrupt is not supportable within the story. To say the Jedi Order were dogmatic is also more from our world POV than from within the story. We have to embrace the story. Then we can enjoy, and even learn from, where the story takes us.