Ladies & Gentlemen... THIS is how you do LIVE music!

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  • Опубликовано: 31 янв 2025

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  • @lintollefsen7166
    @lintollefsen7166 Год назад +28

    What a great, smokey, expressive voice. Uniquely hers. Great to listen to.

  • @pninnabokov3734
    @pninnabokov3734 Год назад +38

    Exquisite singing and music. No whining, winging, screeching and intolerable vocal and gestural contortions. Put simply: No unnecessary drama. Reminds me of a woman I met on a film set who invited me to accompany her to a nearby Church where she proceeded to sing a hymn in her truly angelic voice. Lasted a few minutes and then we walked back to the set. The experience has remained with me all these years. Thank you, Fil.

    • @gbsailing9436
      @gbsailing9436 Год назад

      I don't suppose that was Clare Tory by any chance?

    • @pninnabokov3734
      @pninnabokov3734 Год назад +4

      @@gbsailing9436 I searched out Clare Tory and no. I do so regret not remembering her name. We were both in costume. The tintinnabulation of crystal bells. A perfectly pure voice. Simply divine. She mentioned she sang for a living. The closest comparison I can find is the Soprano Lucia Popp and her "crystalline clarity and creamy warmth." Thank you.

    • @holeemolee8323
      @holeemolee8323 Год назад +3

      Vocal contortions, it's like they try to mis-pronounce every word, and the vocal calisthenics, so unnecessary except for the purpose of showing off.

    • @pninnabokov3734
      @pninnabokov3734 Год назад +1

      @@holeemolee8323 Agreed!

  • @libertyauto
    @libertyauto Год назад +15

    When this song first came out, I was smitten by it. I played it over and over. I had not done that since I was a teenager. (64 now).
    Thanks to this video, I now understand some of the reasons why this was.

  • @arizonaskye4179
    @arizonaskye4179 Год назад +26

    Love when I like a performance from someone I have no prior knowledge of.💜 thanks

    • @hannahpumpkins4359
      @hannahpumpkins4359 Год назад +2

      Check out the song/video 'Wasting My Young Years' by London Grammar - it's awesome.

  • @katherinea.rodgers8366
    @katherinea.rodgers8366 Год назад +34

    She has a beautiful voice! I can't believe I have never heard her! Thank you, Fil! So much music to discover!

    • @hannahpumpkins4359
      @hannahpumpkins4359 Год назад +1

      Check out the song/video 'Wasting My Young Years' by London Grammar - it's awesome.

  • @heartpath1
    @heartpath1 Год назад +6

    I remember these guys but never really checked them out. Wow, how far we’ve fallen in just 10 years. She’s sings with so much vibe and expressiveness.

  • @waltermelyon4300
    @waltermelyon4300 Год назад +4

    Very glad you looked at London Grammar, Hannah Reid was one of the surprises of 2013

  • @TorToroPorco
    @TorToroPorco Год назад +19

    KEXP has some really great live performances. The bands that play live there often sound better than they do in their album recordings thanks to great sound engineering and the stripping of all the excessive tinkering during the studio production. London Grammar is one of my favourite current groups although their music might be a bit dark for some people.

  • @wraithstalking
    @wraithstalking Год назад +7

    Wonderfully atmospheric music on all of their albums. Great live too.

  • @debbier938
    @debbier938 Год назад +13

    Hi Fil,
    I love Hannah’s voice. She is really able to support the low notes and fly up to the higher notes. She has a great raw emotion going on, which is so soulful.. love it! Glad you did this one tonight Fil. Awesome job, beautiful song. Debbie☮️

  • @tammydoolittle6054
    @tammydoolittle6054 Год назад +13

    I have never heard of her, but she does have a lovely voice! As always, you did an incredible job analyzing this beautiful lady's voice!

    • @hannahpumpkins4359
      @hannahpumpkins4359 Год назад +1

      Check out the song/video 'Wasting My Young Years' by London Grammar - it's awesome.

  • @glamgal7106
    @glamgal7106 Год назад +4

    Thanks Fil for a great analysis of London Grammar's performance. It's amazing and refreshing to listen to a natural voice that isn't pitch corrected. There's something raw yet beautiful about Hannah's voice. I haven't heard of London Grammar until today. I love learning new things from you from your analysis videos. In a way, it's like I'm Alice in Wonderland--without drugs of course. Thanks for being a superb and informative teacher, Fil!

  • @paulmackenzie1850
    @paulmackenzie1850 Год назад +8

    Most excellent video, song and analysis...I loved being in the Atmosphere of this song. Hannah's voice is so smooth and haunting.

  • @larabeach176
    @larabeach176 Год назад +4

    Thank you for your analysis of this performance. I've never heard of this band but will be looking for more of their music.

  • @warmgreytenpercent
    @warmgreytenpercent Год назад +10

    Fil you do such a good job getting us excited about music and artistry, big hats off to you!

    • @cindylavina8270
      @cindylavina8270 Год назад

      Hi! Your user name is great!
      It wouldn’t have anything to do with artist’s pencils would it?
      I’m an artist and I love color but I also like variations of grey. 😊

  • @pierreg8562
    @pierreg8562 11 месяцев назад +3

    I love Hannah, she always sounds amazing - to me it's super obvious that there is no pitch correction. If you have the chance, can you analyze/show the pitch on the song "Everyone else" at 2:22, she is moving up the scale but going in between the notes too, it sounds amazing to me.

  • @hannahpumpkins4359
    @hannahpumpkins4359 Год назад +4

    London Grammar is awesome; this and 'Wasting My Young Years' are my favorite songs of theirs! Such incredible talent!

  • @lintollefsen7166
    @lintollefsen7166 Год назад +7

    Many thanks for doing this one, Fil. I could listen to this performance ever and over again with great pleasure!

  • @1SeanBond
    @1SeanBond Год назад +5

    Much appreciated friend! Ty we enjoyed it Fil! 🍻 Cheers! 🤝🏼✌🏼💫

  • @dmcarp2807
    @dmcarp2807 Год назад +4

    Always convincing when you need to use the zoom in details for proof of natural vocal deviations.
    Impressive performance by London Grammar in this live recording.

  • @thomaskline
    @thomaskline Год назад +5

    Fil, please listen to Rhiannon Giddens live tapes. Grammy’s, MacArthur genius laureate, Pulitzer Prize winner, and now Artistic Director of Yo Yo Ma’s Silk Road ensemble. She just released her first album of all original songs. Try “If You Don’t Know How Sweet Is Get On Out of My Kitchen”

  • @RosaKay55
    @RosaKay55 Год назад +8

    I am not familiar with this group, but I so appreciate your doing this analysis. Hannah’s voice is beautiful! Also enjoyed the guitar. Great!

    • @hannahpumpkins4359
      @hannahpumpkins4359 Год назад

      Check out the song/video 'Wasting My Young Years' by London Grammar - it's awesome.

  • @barbie19604
    @barbie19604 Год назад +1

    I also have never heard of this group. I enjoy learning about artists I never heard of before. I can’t sing at all, but I sure can appreciate great singing. Thanks for teaching me so much - I really appreciate these videos!

  • @gbsailing9436
    @gbsailing9436 Год назад +2

    Excellent work Fil. I love LG. Hannah has such an interesting voice - which has such an interesting timber in it, sounds almost off key down low even when she is on key. I also love the character and dynamics that each member of the band brings to their songs! For example, the guitar is so minimalist most of the time, yet he seems to find a place for the instrument in every song. The keys are always on point and guide both the mood and melody much of the time. His use of the drum machine for sound effects and lighting is very creative as well. Hannah's voice is sublimely smooth, of course and very expressive. Thank you for doing this one.

  • @chthoniapodcast
    @chthoniapodcast Год назад +5

    Haunting, I love it--love her voice. And I do prefer the drama-free ending. :)

  • @mattsmith3135
    @mattsmith3135 Год назад +2

    When the record that this song is from (If You Wait) came out back in 2013, I bought it and played it on repeat. So many great songs, and such a fresh sound.

  • @Kers1970
    @Kers1970 Год назад +2

    Great video's!! Might be worth checking live perfomances from Ren, especially his duets with Sam Tompkins (blind eyed) and Chinchilla ('chalk outlines' and 'how to be me') . Also the live performance of Chinchilla's "Fingers" is a killer. But anyways, love what you're doing, keep it up!

  • @DaleBaker-m8g
    @DaleBaker-m8g Год назад +3

    That is singing, very good a talented singer. Good to hear a real singing voice.

  • @forget-me-notlawncare9821
    @forget-me-notlawncare9821 Год назад +2

    I love this so much, Fil! Her voice reminds me of a young lady who at the age of 17 had a very similar sound and on my just sitting at a piano she would blow you away. Something tells me if one were to sit in a room with this young lady and have just her singing by herself, that would be all that's needed. Powerful video and now I must investigate this group further! Thanks again!

  • @grntchstrmdws
    @grntchstrmdws 8 месяцев назад +1

    I love the way the musicians create a vast space for her voice to shine. The result is musical alchemy.

  • @Mike817
    @Mike817 Год назад +2

    I think I learn something each time I watch one of your videos, Fil. You have a great knack for explaining your extensive knowledge in a way that those of us who haven't studied music can understand and appreciate. May I suggest an analysis video of Pentatonix performing covers of Sound of Silence or Hallelujah

  • @chekia7767
    @chekia7767 Год назад +2

    It's always a pleasure and a learning experience to watch your videos and this one is no exception. I have a request: With the recent loss of Tom Smothers, many of us who grew up with the Smothers Brothers have been reminiscing by listening to the comedy and folk songs they performed back in the fifties, sixties and seventies. Too often their musical talent was overlooked while their comedy took the spotlight. As brothers, however, their harmonies were truly beautiful. I would love to see you showcase and critique them musically. Thank you!

  • @JimsAddiction44
    @JimsAddiction44 Год назад

    At the start ... I started screaming to myself ... noooo as from the distance the waves looked like they were pitch corrected. Thanks for the explanation though as I love this live version and I'm so happy to hear it's not pitch-corrected :)

  • @stefankwiatkowski5241
    @stefankwiatkowski5241 Год назад +2

    Awesome performance!

  • @perseapolaris9015
    @perseapolaris9015 Год назад +3

    So charming discovery,,...!indeed, !! Thank you Fil... 👏👏👏👀👀

  • @rolanddunk5054
    @rolanddunk5054 Год назад +1

    Hi Fil,a great review of an unusual song,beautifully sung with haunting background music,brilliantly performedCheers.Roly🇬🇧.

  • @TheDavidsims
    @TheDavidsims Год назад +1

    Went to see them at Crystal Palace bowl - hypnotised from start to finish

  • @gryphongryph
    @gryphongryph Год назад +3

    Appreciate that you are trying to educate/help people in hearing real music .
    I am a big music enthusiast, but have trouble listening to new music as I feel that most of it sounds so fake or just badly recorded, especially as many music lovers have good systems that unfortunately lets your hear all the crap, that maybe was listenable in your car or your $20 earbuds.
    I don’t understand how record companies/ studios will feel the need to pitch correct good singers, instead they should celebrate the vocal of the artists and do their best making it sound as real as possible, when I say real I mean humanly real as that person is sounding, I feel it is respect less to manipulate a voice of a human being like that.
    I also think it would be nice if recording companies and artists declared on an album if there was any major alternation made too their voices so the buying public would know.

  • @M0odyBlue
    @M0odyBlue Год назад +9

    I so appreciate your analysis, Fil. This channel and the comments section are just a treasure trove for those of us who love music. I did not know this group, but I will now be listening to their music. Hannah has a gorgeous voice.

  • @tnmoppylaura5476
    @tnmoppylaura5476 Год назад +3

    Excellent. Thanks Fil

  • @deborahmccartney5694
    @deborahmccartney5694 Год назад +2

    Lovely Fil You are opening the world of music up for me
    Thank you kindly!!! 💜

  • @zenawarrior7442
    @zenawarrior7442 Год назад +3

    Never heard this song & not my cup of tea but very haunting & can see the appeal. Thanks Fil😊🌜⭐️🎙🎶

  • @nixielee
    @nixielee Год назад

    Always held this as one of the best live radio performances in modern times

  • @pbrooks4040
    @pbrooks4040 Год назад

    props to the audio engineer! thanks, fil, for tellimg me about this band.

  • @katiewardell1656
    @katiewardell1656 Год назад +3

    Gives me Zero 7 vibes a bit. Great band and beautiful voice - love the muted performance

  • @laurajarrell6187
    @laurajarrell6187 Год назад +2

    Great work Fil!👍💙💙💙🥰✌

  • @Upe-f9c
    @Upe-f9c Год назад

    Hi Fil! I´m so glad that Hannah´s extraordinary skills is proven and manifested in your analysis. The song "If You Wait" is just fantastic, and so is this one. Greetings! /Ulf

  • @krandletie1054
    @krandletie1054 Год назад +1

    I recently discovered London Grammar and hope to see them live in the US some day.

  • @brightbeacon
    @brightbeacon Год назад +1

    Woot! A new-to-me band to binge-listen to.

  • @pstreetblues
    @pstreetblues Год назад +3

    Check out their song Strong. Hauntingly beautiful.

  • @angelaboncore3132
    @angelaboncore3132 3 месяца назад

    Nice tonal quality and expression to her vocal and yet another wonderful analysis by the Master Himself !!

  • @SantorinidegliArchangeli
    @SantorinidegliArchangeli 8 месяцев назад

    I'm SO glad you did this song. It's one of my favourites.

  • @EdConnelly8247
    @EdConnelly8247 Год назад +2

    Thank you Fil. I never heard of them. They are great. Minimal backing to her vocal. I believe the tide is turning on pitch correction and auto tune with seeing more and more artists like this.

  • @MichaelRau-n3e
    @MichaelRau-n3e 4 месяца назад

    Man i love the scientific way you analyze it with the scale of notes. Very interesting!
    And i love the song

  • @roamingqueen
    @roamingqueen Год назад +12

    Thank you so much, Fil, for dedicating your time to analyse this musical gem and presenting it to us!
    Have a wonderful and successful 2024!
    So folks, do yourself a favour and subscribe!! He deserves at least one million subscribers for his dedication and hard work!
    Aloha from Berlin ❤🧡💛💚💙💜

  • @roseyc.5846
    @roseyc.5846 Год назад +1

    Hi Fil: I'm not familiar with the singer or the song, but, it's BEAUTIFUL! Her voice is exquisite. I will listen to this one again...very moving. Nothing like some of the rubbish we hear today, and, it's live! Thanks so much for all you do. Hoping your New Year is amazing (in a good way!). 🙂 Rosemarie ❤️

  • @btbb3726
    @btbb3726 Год назад +3

    Good one! Thank You!

  • @gurinapsait8602
    @gurinapsait8602 Год назад +3

    She has a beautiful voice..

  • @mudwiser1391
    @mudwiser1391 Год назад +6

    Hey Fil. While I will wholehearted agree it's a good performance from a musical standpoint, I can't say it hits me with emotion, in fact the opposite is true. I find music in this genre to be contrived and, honestly, the only emotion it evokes from me is depression (something the world is already, unfortunately, overflowing with).. I guess this type of song has it's place, but I listen to music to be uplifted and energized, for me this piece did the opposite.... I would rather crank up 'Flirtin with Disaster' by Molly Hatchet as it would empower and rejuvenate and make me feel positive and good.
    Love your channel Fil.

    • @M0odyBlue
      @M0odyBlue Год назад +4

      I get it, but melancholy music like this actually helps me feel better when I’m down. When I’m happy, I listen to upbeat music. Isn’t being human strange and wonderful?!!

    • @Terri_MacKay
      @Terri_MacKay Год назад +1

      I agree. While I can certainly appreciate the beauty of her voice, this song left me feeling cold. Sometimes a sad song is just the thing I need, but this wasn't it.

    • @hannahpumpkins4359
      @hannahpumpkins4359 Год назад +1

      @@Terri_MacKay I think it's supposed to make you feel a bit cold - the lyrics are about her waiting for someone who doesn't seem like they're ever going to arrive - she has the light on by her bed, like a lighthouse...

    • @Terri_MacKay
      @Terri_MacKay Год назад

      @@hannahpumpkins4359 I get that, but while I do like most of the new music that Fil introduces me to, this just didn't do it for me. Before judging them solely on this song, I'll listen to a few others...I might find something I do like. Her voice is fantastic, and I'd like to hear more of it, so hopefully I can find some stuff by them that I enjoy.

  • @aminahmed2220
    @aminahmed2220 Год назад +1

    What a fantastic video have a wonderful weekend Fil ❤😊

  • @NOELTM
    @NOELTM Год назад

    I think this particular performance of this song is their best. Everything was just perfect. Thank you for another very interesting review.

  • @ginnyvogel7754
    @ginnyvogel7754 Год назад +2

    I love how this music and style of singing make me feel. I'm so happy to know it is natural. I would like to know if Alice Phoebe Lou uses pitch correction or auto-tune. I'm suspicious of everyone these days!

  • @cheneyrobert
    @cheneyrobert Год назад +3

    I have seen some great singers in my day…..Ian Gillan, Robert Plant, Linda Ronstadt (front row), Annie Lennox in her prime….Whitney when she was starting out…… this is a beautiful vocal….ethereal 👏👏👏👌I think she has the potential to go into a Van Morrison 1970’s poetic trance if she lets herself go and the band will follow…..thanks Fil 👌🥂

  • @davidjrutz1947
    @davidjrutz1947 9 месяцев назад

    i've now watched the original vid and am so happy to discover a new group- these guys are fantastic! thanks for your vids, man

  • @lindadescafano3749
    @lindadescafano3749 Год назад +5

    I am not familiar with this band but I enjoyed this analysis and live performance. 😊🎸🎵

    • @hannahpumpkins4359
      @hannahpumpkins4359 Год назад +1

      Check out the song/video 'Wasting My Young Years' by London Grammar - it's awesome.

  • @texanperry
    @texanperry 9 месяцев назад

    You always do a great job of analyzing songs down to the detail. Keep up the good work. I just recently discovered this band and I'm so glad I did. Hannah Reid has an incredible voice.

  • @terrijaeger9679
    @terrijaeger9679 Год назад +1

    Would love for you to analyze The Outfield- Everytime You Cry! The harmonies in this ballad melts a girl's heart!

  • @34332
    @34332 Год назад +2

    Good request and analytics, enjoyed it. This one is exhaustedly played on 'audiophile' speaker demo's for a reason I suppose. 😅

  • @herrunsinn774
    @herrunsinn774 Год назад +3

    Fil, please evaluate The Seekers doing "I'll never find another you". 😊

  • @cindi1313
    @cindi1313 Год назад +2

    She has a beautiful, natural voice and a unique style. I don't find it to be contrived, I really enjoyed this performance! I could totally imagine this in a movie, it really has a certain vibe to it. It doesn't hit you over the head with emotion, it's more of a reflective nudge. I think there was a lot about this song and performance that was unexpected and that made it interesting. And it definitely didn't have that mechanical sound that we have come to know and hate with pitch correction!

  • @David-xl9cp
    @David-xl9cp 6 месяцев назад

    Hannah has an amazing sound of her own, seen her live twice and not disappointed.
    One of my all time favourite singers and I’m late 60’s, heaverly from the 70’s prog rock period.

  • @krollpeter
    @krollpeter Год назад

    These 3 deserve love

  • @Individualist73
    @Individualist73 Год назад +1

    Phenomenal voice.

  • @DrVaticinator
    @DrVaticinator 4 месяца назад

    First song of theirs I ever heard, thanks to RUclips a year ago, big fan ever since.

  • @toneenorman2135
    @toneenorman2135 Год назад

    Thank you,Fil. You will be like the Elders of old. Saving the stories of the “olden days” or,”Before Times”… we could lose the ear for true voices,if we don’t listen to people like you! show us the way,Sensei…..

  • @dongerickson
    @dongerickson Год назад +1

    Thanks for introducing this band, one that is new to me. Emotive is a great word for it. Also love the notion of journeying through a note. So much can be emoted with just one, honest note! Lastly, you pointed out Hannah Reid's last lines and how it was a bit sharp, but expressed something real -- it got me thinking of those great songs where the singer's voice breaks - Joe Cocker's "You Are So Beautiful" or MJ's "She's Out of my life" come to mind. What would pitch correction do with those notes? Would they be allowed to stand? I can't imagine those song examples without the honest emotion expressed in the voice cracking. It would have been a crime to have corrected that. Sadly, I think that's where we are today.

  • @Eris1701
    @Eris1701 Год назад +1

    Love your channel! I know absolutely nothing about music, can’t carry a tune or play an instrument, but I really enjoy your channel and learn a lot. I recently stumbled upon a singer named Dan Vasc. Whoa, what a voice! Apparently his videos have been bouncing around You Tube for a few years, but I just found him. I would love to hear your take on him. (I haven’t seen that you’ve already critiqued him, if you have, my apologies.)

  • @jgweems
    @jgweems Год назад +2

    Lovely! If you're ever looking for GREAT live performances, check out Sara Bareilles covering Goodbye Yellow Brick Road. The one in Atlanta is more stripped down.

  • @pixie706
    @pixie706 Год назад +1

    I've never even heard of them but love that track. Hannah's voice was even lower than yours Fil

  • @btbb3726
    @btbb3726 Год назад +3

    Have you ever analyzed Dave Gahan?
    Alison Moyet?
    Bob Seger?
    Great channel! Thank You!

  • @sabocikotic7632
    @sabocikotic7632 Год назад

    Very nice analysis

  • @tonye9045
    @tonye9045 5 месяцев назад

    Massively underrated band and singer. ❤

  • @alonzobruce1767
    @alonzobruce1767 Год назад +1

    excellent analysis Fil, I think your guitar amp mic was on? no biggie and thanks for all you do!

  • @majpix
    @majpix Год назад +1

    great session as always... You going to NAMM- kindly respond with more than a "heart" 🙂

  • @jporter504
    @jporter504 Год назад +2

    Enjoyed.

  • @janice234
    @janice234 Год назад +1

    I'm glad there's someone out there not using auto-tune!

  • @adrianapignolo
    @adrianapignolo Год назад +1

    You know what I think would be interesting? To know if kexp does pitch correction at all? Their sound engineers are magnificent, that's for sure. Many of the performances sound much better than the album!

  • @TheAgentAssassin
    @TheAgentAssassin 8 месяцев назад

    The 3 songs she did in this performance were stellar.

  • @freespiritwithnature4384
    @freespiritwithnature4384 Год назад

    Beautiful. ❤

  • @peterwooldridge7285
    @peterwooldridge7285 Год назад +2

    Am hard pressed to name any contralto who sings better than Ms Reid...sublime

  • @joekagerer
    @joekagerer Год назад +2

    Fil, Thanks for these awesome videos! I'm curious about what software you use for your analysis. I'd love to try this (I think) with my own voice... also my favorite cover band right now is F211 First To Eleven from Erie Pennsylvania, they have 400 videos on RUclips and millions of subscribers. Audra Miller has an amazing voice. I'm curious about their use of pitch correction.

  • @RealBastard-q9u
    @RealBastard-q9u 8 месяцев назад

    I heard first heard London Grammar on this KEXP perfomance and was blown away by Hannah's vocal performance. I'm still a fan on the band. I'm surprised that anyone would think this vocal was pitch corrected as it's obvious that it's not.

  • @caterinasims6154
    @caterinasims6154 Год назад +1

    Thank you Fil. She reminds me of Sinead.

  • @pninnabokov3734
    @pninnabokov3734 Год назад +1

    Wonder what you think of the "Lake Street Dive" band? Don't know what's become of them, but they had a powerful female singer and great musicians, all of them. Thanks Fil.

    • @sharonammirati2042
      @sharonammirati2042 Год назад +1

      they are performing and you can see their current videos on utube. still awesome

    • @pninnabokov3734
      @pninnabokov3734 Год назад

      @@sharonammirati2042 I had quite forgotten about them till I viewed this band here. Not at all the same style (?) but they have similar qualities. Not the usual fare. I'll check. Thanks!

  • @mennoshouseofmusic1214
    @mennoshouseofmusic1214 Год назад +1

    Great stuff

  • @whosben
    @whosben Год назад +1

    What a Voice. Wow
    Fil, if you havent, check out Jeff Buckleys " Last Goodbye " ... I think you may like it.
    A pure talent lost way too early.

  • @nagagab9224
    @nagagab9224 Год назад +1

    the singer has a beautiful (human being!) alto voice

  • @andrewandjoanhart7882
    @andrewandjoanhart7882 Год назад +1

    Hi Fil, can you please do an analysis on Stan Walker's I AM...?

  • @Jeff-jg7jh
    @Jeff-jg7jh Год назад +2

    Reminds me of Tina Dicko and the band zero 7.

  • @onsesejoo2605
    @onsesejoo2605 Год назад

    She brings the British folk - rock singers of the late 60's and 70's to mind, Annie Haslam, Maddy Prior, Sally Oldfield all though her voice is not as bright as they used to have then.