@@mmonkeyman1403 I heard that with brooks and dunn also, but they decided that they would hate each other all the way to the bank lol financially smarter
@@mmonkeyman1403 No, they didn't Golic actually thought of him as a friend until GREENY the little snake in the grass stabbed him in the back and basically told the brass he's not renewing his contract and he wants his own show. All he had to do was tell Golic yo bro I'm leaving next season but he kept in the dark about it for over a year! That's when Golic realized what a punk that greeny is and yes he hates him now
I can't remember the last time I turned on the radio... it was probably 2012. Now with a RUclips Premium account, I'll just go to my subscriptions and listen to clips commercial-free like this while I drive. Great discussion here!
I swear I fell off from ESPN and ESPN radio i probably haven’t listened in ten plus years with Mike and Mike and I think Colin and Freddy ESPN fell off
Local college radio is literally the only thing I like at times. All the big stations are garbage. I been listening almost entirely to mp3's and later on streaming on my phone of podcasts and music I choose for 17 years now.
The industry died when iHeart slaughtered all of its competition. I miss when we had a functioning Antitrust Department in the United States. Everything's syndicated now, and it's fucking nauseating.
I was with you all the way up until you mentioned Colin Cowherd... Getting rid of Colin Cowherd was the best thing ESPN has ever done! Now Mike & Mike and The Stugotz show w/ Dan Le Batard I agree with you on. But Colin Cowherd was never a part of any trinity that line up was made worse just by the mere presents of Colin Cowherd.
@@YC-zw5eblook at what happened to FS1 since Colin went over there. Undisputed follows, First things first follows. Nah, ESPN was severely foolish for letting Colin walk, Dan Patrick as well (also with fox) so you couldn’t be more wrong, they get rid of him and he goes to fox and fox blows up behind him trailblazing the way for sports shows for them. Don’t be blinded by hate my friend.
I really appreciate this discussion as a former journalist and media professional. Mike Ryan is right that this RUclips channel and other digital video from LAF has a lot of room to grow. This channel was dormant for 5+ years with limited posts and tiny clips. Now, it's their mainstay distribution channel second to the audio RSS. This channel, given their empirically- proven audience, should be at least 500K subs. Probably 1M+.
Unfortunately, he refuses to be honest at all. This is all the result of him and his dumb buddies forcing politics onto the network and now all of these people are out of work, because everyone stopped watching.
I really haven't listened to espn radio, since this show left. Hell, i don't even watch the channel anymore. If bomani was on ESPN radio again, i would listen again.
I agree with this completely. The show likes Mike Golic today, and he appears to be a cool guy...but Mike and Mike in the morning was exactly the show you're describing. I could not stand Mike Greenberg especially. He wasn't funny, and they knighted him as their main guy. It has nothing to do with caring about radio or not as Dan says. Their content sucks and young people don't want it.
@@al99795 anyone who just saw a slow white unathletic dude with ungodly touch and passing ability mop up kd lebron and miami saying that . . . gimme your meth dealers #
@@rokka222 dude mike and mike was great, you're on crack. i think the way nyers talk about that terrible mad dog and whoever duo, was how i look so fondly back forever on mike and mike. sure wokespn has developed a nasty racist streak, exemplified by kendrick perkins starting a campaign robbing jokic of the mvp and giving it to embiid. but that said rodmans comments started that duscussion wokespn didnt start it to be fair, and rodmann wasnt being racist because he referenced jokic. anything that points out the players were much worse in mj's era is good by me. it's like players of that era are sacrosanct or something so we can bash lebron. golden state woulda beat the bulls by 60.
Dan 9:30 “The idea that tv executives or radio executives know how to do that is largely overstated but they often think they know how to do that and are hellbent on proving to you that they know how to do that” This can be said about most managers/supervisors in every industry in this country!
I believe the biggest issue with ESPN radio is the local vs the national broadcast decisions as well as the constant switching of hosts and time slots. It feels like musical chairs at times.
I graduated from Barry University in Miami Shores Florida. I’ve had dinner on Lincoln Road, been around the buzz sounding Dan Le Batard, and all of that have worked with him for amazing talents and kept us engaged in the mornings! He will b missed and I will always remember his jingle and fathers funny comments!
You guys are professionals, but just another friendly fan reminder.. Keep what you guys have got & built, & keep building. Very few programs are worth the time investment plus entertaining to watch from beginning to finish.. You've got one of those rare gems here 👏🙌
Keep building? This is the biggest trending topic in sports since the Super Bowl... and in 3 days this video has 184k views. There are completely independent commentators who have never worked for ESPN that have more views discussing this topic. I'm sorry to let you know, since you clearly love the show, but it's not long for this world. He's been doing this for 2 entire years and there are only 144k people who care. Dan, and I'm sure most of his fans, thought he was carrying ESPN, but based on this 144k he was a complete non-factor, and continues to be. And there's no chance he's adding new sports fans with his constant race-baiting. People are sick of it... that's why ESPN's ratings are horrendous.
No way Greenberg thought he was bigger than what he was and broke up Mike and Mike. That was the downfall. He's been at shitty shows ever since and nobody cares what he says lmao
The absolute pinnacle of the ESPN Radio "morning drive" was 1st & Last with Robin Lundberg and Mike Golic, Jr, Mike & Mike, and The Dan LeBatard Show with Stugotz. Greatest 8+ hour stretch of sports and goofball radio ever produced.
The discussion on ESPN and the Morning shows was so interesting. I really enjoyed KJM. I have always been a fan of Max’s since Around the Horn and from Boxing. I am also so impressed by J Will. They should use J Will on College Hoops and NBA.
Max works well with blacc ppl minus Stephen a haha but Thts another story stephen a jus has a huge ego which isn’t wrong but I love kjm man they relate to the ppl the show is clsssic
I personally thought that show was a 0/10. I liked absolutely nothing about it. To put in perspective, Max on “This Just In” I thought was well put together. Preference I suppose? But those two programs aren’t even in the same league
Only 5 years ago I was getting my life together, stuck in a work release facility. My little radio was everything. ESPN radio was nothing to write home about so I was mostly listening to Fox radio. Fox wasn't perfect, but I did enjoy the Odd Couple w Chris Brousard & Rob Parker. Being born in 1991 has developed my mind to be so confused. I saw the end of the analogue era then when I became an adult, suddenly computers were in our pockets. Sometimes I wish I was born a little bit later so I didn't have that nostalgia for the simpler times.
I'm an ESPN LA former listener. I could tell things were going downhill when they cancelled Thompson and Trudelle. Those two had incredible chemistry, they're both still with the station, but we had to listen to Stephen A do a solo show because that's what corporate wanted to push. Sad!
This show sucked. Like why does that jaggoff keep saying "audio" instead of radio. This Libertad guy some days, seemed like, talked about ANYTHING BUT sports. Always all the STUPID 'morning zoo' laughing hysterically at NOTHING.
My God how far ESPN Radio has fallen from the days of Mike and Mike, Colin Cowherd, Scott Van Pelt Show, and of course The Dan Lebatard Show with Stugotz!
You mean the days when no one talked politics on their shows? Yeah, those were the days. Unfortunately Dan, and several other maniacs decided it was more important to push their political agenda than to entertain. And now they're all out of work, and the network is on its last legs... or its last what? 8 or 9 set of legs since they fired everyone else?
I liked Keyshawn, JWill, and Max. I listened to it on my way home pretty often, but the chemistry never quite seemed to be there. I have loved everything Max has done, so I hope he finds a good match. Maybe do a show with Wiley online.
Keyshawn thinks anyone who didn’t play a sport professionally shouldn’t talk about it. Furthermore anyone who didn’t play football professionally shouldn’t be able to have a different opinion than him on football. He’s awful. Even if you think he’s right, it doesn’t make for a good broadcast. Kills the chemistry and discord.
The repetitious nature of ESPN radio through the day (same stories,same talk) barring breaking news is the killer. Podcasts by the right personalities can certainly be better with news updates at the top and bottom of the hour interspersed with fewer shows.
That’s what their listeners wanted. When ESPN tried to lean in on new media and complex content, people wanted them to “stick to sports” and the suits caved to a loud minority.
That is the problem...how many different radio shows do you need to hear talk about some bit of sports news? If you have one big show that gets huge ratings and another that's ok the rest can just skate by with low ratings....did ESPN Radio ever have a big ratings show?
Ironically this was a better show back then. I'd say they're lucky, being that even on the worse days they are still entertaining. I really wish people would show up. Like why hire new members just so they get air time for a week or two and then never show again?
David is the new Michael from the Office. He's talking shit about the company that he chose to sign with to build his brand and reinvent himself. Mike nailed it. The show has really been rolling!
I loved Mike & Mike. I like KJM, & I have tremendous respect for all 3 of the guys. Dipietro & Rothenberg are taking over the airwaves now. Michael Kay with Don & Pete are also great. Shout out to Bart & Hahn as well. I miss Dan LeBatard on the radio but he’s better without limitations now. There’s content everywhere. ESPN is been a factory for talent & it’s not gonna change.
@@johnnytimestamp8224 Key is the worst former sports guy on media. Embarrassingly ignorant, obviously doesnt watch much ball. His horrible takes were jokes.
You're the first one that I seen notice that. Weeks/if not weeks ago, I noticed that KJ was doing all of the shows from home while Jay and Max were in CT and in the studio. I didn't understand that.
Reds had a weekday crowd of 7,500 (record low) immediately preceding their 12 game win streak. Good baseball sells in small markets. Great baseball sells out. Doesn't hurt to have a rookie phenon show up.
Missed Mike and Mike. Glad my city has good local talent. Love listening to the local line up. Funny how KJM was a downgrade to the local programming. Freddy and Fitz should take that spot.
Interesting that they are 8 minutes into this convo already and haven't mentioned that new cars are starting to sell without AM radio. Even local talk sports is going to go away. This won't just be an ESPN thing.
@@4149stoneponyBut does your average driver know how to find the content? That’s the issue. Once AM isn’t in cars, the stations die a quiet, slow death.
@@davidleary4524 if your power goes out and your internet goes down your app is useles.. the AM frequency still has a place in my opinion. I hope it doesnt go away
I prefer local sports radio over the national shows. Hearing about the local teams keeps my interest rather than being subjected to hearing about the Dallas Cowboys, LA Lakers, and who will make the college football playoffs or the Heisman race. That is so tiring.
Max and Marcellus was another GREAT show. One of the very few "mainstream" ESPN shows like Mike and Mike where the chemistry and content was good enough to listen to every minute every day. These days most shows I don't even care to hear the highlights.
ESPN radio has always been the most cookie-cutter and soft radio in existence. That's why we like the Le Batard show and why Dan existed in a space of making fun of it. I don't get the sentimentality. 95% of the shows were trash, full of people afraid to take tough stances. Evolve or die. Good riddance.
@@colinwhat769 Not even sure what that means. So basically you just don't like the causes Dan stands up for? The show has been a huge hit since they left ESPN and most people think it's better. The metrics show that. So Pat McAfee is not self-involved? Colin Cowherd doesn't make the show about himself? WTF kind of criticism is this lol?
@@rokka222bad criticism and failed attempt to hijack your point lol so apparently there’s a bunch of hate watchers of this show… and they all love Samson 😂
The other day I accidentally turned on ESPN Radio any my wife just went "Wow, you haven't listened to this in forever.". I hadn't even noticed that I didn't listen to it anymore. I used to listen all day from about 2004 until 2016-ish. LeBatard, The Right Time, Jalen and Jacoby, Jorge and Izzy, Freddie Coleman was the last lineup that I remember tuning in all day for. Slowly I just kept tuning in less and less. The last nail was LeBatard. Other than hearing people complain about whatever Kellerman's show is/was, I don't know any other show that is on there anymore.
@kenfresno2125 I was changing stations on the radio and stopped on ESPN Radio without thinking. Accidentally may not have described it perfectly, but it gets the point across that it wasn't something that I meant to do.
@@gernblanston2652 I don't believe you at all. No one just scrolls through stations on the radio. It's not 1982. Stop lying to try to make a point that doesn't exist. ESPN died because they forced politics into sports. That simple. The ratings decline started exactly when it happened, and it's been downhill ever since.
In school I loved the idea of being a deejay like my longtime local one, but saw radio wouldn't last, so found another career, but used to say if born a decade later, I'd have loved starting sports radio's height. Now, though, it seems I'd have been in a dying profession anyway if I'd done that.
Mike talks of how ESPN screwed up with Podcasts with them, the _real_ screw up was Bill Simmons. ESPN was on the ground floor of the entire Podcast revolution with by all accounts the 2nd biggest podcaster in the world and they had zero clue how to monetize it, let alone capitalize on it. Even with his forced time off and basically starting over again, in 2020 Spotify paid just shy of 200M for 51% of the Ringer, but really it's the Podcast network they were after. When Adam Carrolla can just guest star on a few pods and see the potential and create his own entire network and generate more revenue than ESPN Radio it just shows how ass backwards ESPN was dropping the ball.
@dannytallmage2409 i mean, they have a market cap of 32 billion, so if your take is ESPN was better at monetizing podcasts, you're definitely zagging from everyone else who has an opinion on this. But all the power to you.
@dannytallmage2409 but they're talking about how poorly ESPN is run. Even if Spotify overpaid for the Ringer by 50M, that means it was still worth nearly 280M, and ESPN let Simmons walk for nothing. They let McAfee walk, then paid him millions to return. They let Lebatard and company walk with their entire library according to Ruiz for nothing. They were light years behind on where the market was going thinking terrestrial radio was still important and now they're basically scuttling it entirely because it's not profitable.
Please do not draw the obvious correlation of people like Dan forcing lefty politics onto the network, and the exact moment the network headed downhill. Pretend it's not happening. You guys are on the right side of history. Who cares if it has resulted in what? 40 or 50 people losing their jobs over the last 3 years? So what?! The communist agenda is all that matters.
@@brandon46and2 It was Mike.. He also called back to the Rangers "paying big money for Cliff Lee (and it didn't work out)", when that was a deadline deal, the Rangers won the American League, and Lee signed big money with the Phillies that following off-season.
@@BillyHoyle25 somewhat true statements. Seager having a monster year on a monster contract but got injured. Semian having a decent year on a monster deal. Eovaldi and Jon Gray were excellent FA signings. Probably their best player this year is Adolis Garcia and he's homegrown. All true about the Cliff Lee signing from Seattle - he was a rental. You could make an argument that their best signing was getting Bruce Bochy out of retirement....
@@javakidnyc1 We mostly agree, just picking some nits.. Semien is arguably the best player at his position and top-10 in WAR. "Decent" is an undersell of his season so far. Seager is the AL MVP betting favorite, in spite of the injury. Love Adolis (even more so because they got him from St. Louis for couch cushion change) but Seager is the dude.
Totally agree you can tell ESPN face up on radio and podcast. Even in the ESPN app radio and podcast are inaccessible. It’s sad they real refused to develop talent on that lane and it shows
I just need somebody to explain how Dan Patrick is still on the radio, blathering always and endlessly about nothing. Five seconds of him is more than I can handle.
Dan was one of the driving forces of that change. No longer was talking about sports and making a couple jokes acceptable. Now you have to break down the racist and sexist implications of every single story. If you miss sports talk being sports talk... blame Dan.
@@DC3PO-ty3mz You didn't realize they were lying? A company has no way to make you sign an NDA if you are leaving. You're not required to do anything for a former employer. Why would he have signed an NDA on the way out the door? Just to be nice and to make his show worse? It's yet another lie by this racist clown to make himself seem like a victim.
When my wife passed away in December 2015 I couldn't turn my car radio to music.. I just couldn't. Too depressing. So I found solace in listening to ESPN radio and LeBatard and Stugotz. At first thought Stugotz was an escapee from Hogan's Heroes. Now gone just like the show that followed, Mike and Mike in the morning.
Someone needs to inform them "welcome to the world of business". This is what most people in our society deal with every day. Move on guys! Grow like the rest of us have had to.
@@gregalvis4339 This is not at all what most people deal with... because these folks cost themselves their jobs. Forcing politics into sports has killed the network to the point where they're laying off 20 on-air talents in a single day. Guys like Dan, and the other whiners he's had on, were the driving force of politics being added to ESPN. Meaning they were also the driving force in the destruction of ESPN. They didn't lose their jobs, they cost themselves their jobs.
Dan is so right. I tell my son of the days Colin, SVP and others would be on my work radio all day. And I enjoyed it. That was 15-20 years ago. It is truly sad what espn radio and tv have become now. Won’t watch. Espn is and has been dead. Mutha out.
I don't know which jerkoffs at universities trained this current generation of middle managers to focus their attention on as narrow an audience as possible, but the premise itself is laughably counterproductive.
You're kidding right? Keyshawn was almost never there, and when he was he clearly did zero research on the topics. It was clear he was hearing them for the first time when Max read them, and just tried to quickly come up with something to say. Most of his responses made little to no sense, or were some attempt at a reference or joke to distract from the fact that he did no prep.
ya'll, Cowherd, Ryen Russillo, and Dan Patrick. My go-to the last 10 years, I don't care what platform ya'll are on I'll find you. Great video. ESPN bought Pat for his VIEWERS/FOLLOWERS. Period.
Why else would a network hire someone? You understand their job is to get people to watch the network, right? Clearly that's lost on you folks who think the point of ESPN is to push identity politics and race-bait every single topic... but it actually exists to make money.
I'm big on visual consumption, like with reactions & expressions, so my favorite shows such as this, McAfee & DP I'll watch on demand, but I work 10 hour shifts weekdays & then I still listen to other podcasts while at work throughout the week.
If you ever listened to that morning show it was just keyshawn and J Will disagreeing and arguing with Max about literally everything. Max is way too smart for guys like that
Max’s problem is he thinks he the smartest person in the room at all times and usually he is. He has learned how to let other talk, get to their conclusions and then reply. Just as he was with Marcellus WAY back in LA he has to be correct. He needs to do another one man show like Cowherd does, that’s his strong suit. His baseball and boxing are to tops for me. The other sports I find him about average. He shouldn’t work with partners, it’s not for him. He needs to be the only voice. That show I would watch and/or listen too.
@@g.fredsimmons759 good point. I agree. And i also would listen to max alone. Better then Greenys morning radio show that comes on after. I hate Greeny
I've gotta say, ESPN WI is a really great radio network. They have a load of great local shows but the station is owned by Good Karma Brands and I believe they simply license out the name ESPN. That being said, they regularly get national ESPN talent to appear on the local shows, and the local hosts at times are given fill-in spots on the national shows. They also rip-off you guys at every friggin turn and I feel like they should be paying you guys for all the bits they steal.
I disagree with Dan. KJM was the best show in the lineup on the main channel, even more so than FT most days and imo they had great chemistry. In fact it is the closest thing to old school DLS left at ESPN since Pablo is no longer working on Debatable. I'm sad to see them cancelled because imo Max was the reason the show felt genuine and there were so many times on rejoins where they didnt even talk about sports. And they had a REAL connection with call in listeners. I never watched that show prior to that other no name host they started with.
Jkm was an okay show. Not the best but not the worst. The problem is ESPN holding onto names like the Greenberg Show where Greenberg is never the actual host of his own show.
The Lebatard Show was at its best when they were strictly radio before ESPN when they were on 790 the ticket. A local or "homegrown" show ( like Pat McAfee) usually suffers because the identity of their shows are watered down to appease corporate agenda. Money is always attractive but at the cost of compromise is not worth it.
Pet peeve: Can we stop describing people as always "consuming content"? People listen to the radio. They want to hear things, not consume content, whatever the hell that is.
Unfortunately producing content is the same as creating a product. Everything is a commodity for people tobuy. It's all about marketing consumption and selling
It's another dumb buzzphrase fabricated by the misanthropic aspies in the tech sector who've managed to hijack every industry in the country and make them all worse.
ESPN morning radio was largely uninspired since Mike and Mike ended. ESPN thought they could throw in any random person and make a show called "[Last name], [Last name], and [Last name]" in an era where now people can on demand go find the people they actually give a shit about and listen to them instead.
“You’re growing it right now.” - Mike Ryan This show (and it’s team - shout to Dan) has been genuinely genius level since I first started listening almost everyday 10-11 years ago. KJM was awesome. I may be partial to the show due to Keyshawn being an similarly raised LA product. Shout to all of the talent *Juju voice*.
@@rbrinks5 I’ve noticed that too, and wondered about that. Especially since the “pirate ship” model ‘allegedly’ had the algorithm spaz. I can’t really listen to those other shows. They make my ears bleed. Idk if it’s because I’ve grown to love and crave this one or from another factor. I just know that this show is super (insert positive adjective here).
In all honesty this show made me start listening to fox sports. Key surprisingly knows very little about anything. Jay seems grumpy all the time & Max is Max.
@@JamesKlass79 It's pretty clear Keyshawn did absolutely 0 prep, and was hearing each topic for the first time live on-air. I don't blame him for stealing a paycheck from Disney, but that's absolutely what he was doing.
They need to start off by getting rid of Malika Andrews. That’s the whole problem with ESPN is her and them trying to prove they support the me to movement
I’m not sure how ESPN failed with radio. Some of the more popular podcast are just that person’s radio show or television show put out in podcast form. I love listening to talk radio, that’s why I enjoy a podcast. Maybe if major companies gave the talent more freedom, it would be a success.
They forced politics into all of their shows. Everything became a discussion of sex or race, and for some reason they felt the need to start talking about Presidents and policing after having never once done so in the past. They spit in the face of their core audience and attempted to shame them into following their political ideology. People don't like being preached too... especially when they were just trying to listen to sports talk. The second they started talking politics the ratings started dropping, and the more they talk about them the more they drop.
Used to be a great lineup. Starting with Mike & Mike. Then onto Cowherd. Then Scott Van Pelt and Rusillo. LeBatard was a great part of that as well, but on the other ESPN channel. Now it kinda sucks…which is why Undisputed took off. Sidenote: I miss the original SportsNation.
Another fan referencing the days before every topic was about race or sex... yet Dan is king of the race-baiters, and makes every other topic about race. This is a guy whose father had to escape a communist nation, and lived a wonderful life here in America... but his son is desperate to turn this into a communist country.
Mike Ryan mentioned that ESPN punted on its radio shows and podcasts, which is an embarrassment. I ask, is it an really an embarrassment or an adjustment to the times? I believe when you look at the current radio and podcast landscape, one is possibly on its death bed, with the other being exploited in every possible fashion. At some point, radio may completely die out and podcasting will fall right along. I don't want to give ESPN credit, as I do believe they sold themselves to the First Take format and mindset that they tripped over, but you have to give credit to them for looking at what Pat Mcafee is doing and jumping aboard that money train. With that said, it's a damn shame we lost the days of good radio, from Dan LeBatard, Mike and Mike and the unsung hero Freddie Coleman. Back when good content was just a standard, not a desire.
Keyshawn, JWill & Max was my morning tune-in here in LA. Keyshawn's LA connections gave the show a flavor I enjoyed, along with the football-basketball dynamic between he & JWill. I guess this wasn't playing well across the rest of the country, but Disney is bleeding money and is desperate to cut costs. For reference I am one of those 'older listeners' (Boomer). I listen to podcasts, but still like my AM radio.
Thank you for covering the shop talk with ESPN and the radio industry. Y’all look so prescient right now having jumped ship and built this before that happened for yourselves. I hope everyone involved feels proud of making that decision despite all of the challenges and additional work I’m sure it’s brought on. Very cool to watch Mike flex his producer knowledge and experience, With McAfee, giving up his outsiders throne to to go corporate y’all might end up catching them as the sports people for the alternative crowd. Rooting for the pirates to make it happen!!
Loved KJM. I watched on ESPNU early in the morning. In Dallas and ESPN cut their radio station here months ago, so not surprising. Top 5 media market that doesn’t have an ESPN radio channel. Radio has been dead at ESPN
I haven't turned on ESPN radio since Lebatard left. Bomani Jones and Dominique are the only voices there i seek out, and i get them on Google podcasts.
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I listened to mike and mike every morning for years. You can’t replace that chemistry that just makes people tune in
Its funny because the two Mikes apparently hated each other.
It was Mike and Mike for me!
Mike Golic was mike and mike and he played the game of football before they turned it into something unrecognizable
@@mmonkeyman1403 I heard that with brooks and dunn also, but they decided that they would hate each other all the way to the bank lol financially smarter
@@mmonkeyman1403 No, they didn't Golic actually thought of him as a friend until GREENY the little snake in the grass stabbed him in the back and basically told the brass he's not renewing his contract and he wants his own show. All he had to do was tell Golic yo bro I'm leaving next season but he kept in the dark about it for over a year! That's when Golic realized what a punk that greeny is and yes he hates him now
I can't remember the last time I turned on the radio... it was probably 2012. Now with a RUclips Premium account, I'll just go to my subscriptions and listen to clips commercial-free like this while I drive. Great discussion here!
I swear I fell off from ESPN and ESPN radio i probably haven’t listened in ten plus years with Mike and Mike and I think Colin and Freddy ESPN fell off
Local college radio is literally the only thing I like at times. All the big stations are garbage. I been listening almost entirely to mp3's and later on streaming on my phone of podcasts and music I choose for 17 years now.
I keep an actual radio am/fm in my hard hat at work, I can't have a phone on site.
That's the only option I have for audio entertainment.
The industry died when iHeart slaughtered all of its competition. I miss when we had a functioning Antitrust Department in the United States. Everything's syndicated now, and it's fucking nauseating.
I haven't listened to ESPN radio since they had the Trinity in the mornings Mike and Mike, Colin Cowherd, and Dan lebatard show.
I was with you all the way up until you mentioned Colin Cowherd... Getting rid of Colin Cowherd was the best thing ESPN has ever done! Now Mike & Mike and The Stugotz show w/ Dan Le Batard I agree with you on. But Colin Cowherd was never a part of any trinity that line up was made worse just by the mere presents of Colin Cowherd.
@@YC-zw5eblook at what happened to FS1 since Colin went over there. Undisputed follows, First things first follows. Nah, ESPN was severely foolish for letting Colin walk, Dan Patrick as well (also with fox) so you couldn’t be more wrong, they get rid of him and he goes to fox and fox blows up behind him trailblazing the way for sports shows for them. Don’t be blinded by hate my friend.
Anybody else tune Mike R out? Juss sayin
@@hankarmentrout6697 Jess sayin?
@@SmittyAZ reading difficult for you? JUST? Simpleton says ???
I really appreciate this discussion as a former journalist and media professional. Mike Ryan is right that this RUclips channel and other digital video from LAF has a lot of room to grow. This channel was dormant for 5+ years with limited posts and tiny clips. Now, it's their mainstay distribution channel second to the audio RSS. This channel, given their empirically- proven audience, should be at least 500K subs. Probably 1M+.
They need to promote this channel more! they never do!
This was a fascinating discussion of the industry. Thanks for taking the time.
Unfortunately, he refuses to be honest at all. This is all the result of him and his dumb buddies forcing politics onto the network and now all of these people are out of work, because everyone stopped watching.
Mike and Mike, you guys, and SVP and Russilo were a must listen every day. ESPN killed themselves. Hope they don't kill McAfee too 😂
McAfee has always been one of them at ESPN. Just you wait and see.
He's already on College Game Day
McAfee is over I hate to say it
McAfee show won't be the same at ESPN, a lot of filters on television compared to RUclips or other platforms.
McAfee is already dead and annoying. used to love it but it's so annoying now.
I really haven't listened to espn radio, since this show left. Hell, i don't even watch the channel anymore. If bomani was on ESPN radio again, i would listen again.
ESPN was discussing whether or not Larry Bird could play in today's NBA. The network is a joke.
I agree with this completely. The show likes Mike Golic today, and he appears to be a cool guy...but Mike and Mike in the morning was exactly the show you're describing. I could not stand Mike Greenberg especially. He wasn't funny, and they knighted him as their main guy. It has nothing to do with caring about radio or not as Dan says. Their content sucks and young people don't want it.
well... could he?
@@al99795 anyone who just saw a slow white unathletic dude with ungodly touch and passing ability mop up kd lebron and miami saying that . . .
gimme your meth dealers #
@@al99795no he couldn't. I'm glad I could help clear that up for you. Have a great one 😊
@@rokka222 dude mike and mike was great, you're on crack. i think the way nyers talk about that terrible mad dog and whoever duo, was how i look so fondly back forever on mike and mike.
sure wokespn has developed a nasty racist streak, exemplified by kendrick perkins starting a campaign robbing jokic of the mvp and giving it to embiid. but that said rodmans comments started that duscussion wokespn didnt start it to be fair, and rodmann wasnt being racist because he referenced jokic. anything that points out the players were much worse in mj's era is good by me. it's like players of that era are sacrosanct or something so we can bash lebron. golden state woulda beat the bulls by 60.
Dan 9:30 “The idea that tv executives or radio executives know how to do that is largely overstated but they often think they know how to do that and are hellbent on proving to you that they know how to do that” This can be said about most managers/supervisors in every industry in this country!
So you still can't figure out what I'm saying???? Well that pretty much proves my point!!!!!
I'm saying your you can't figure out what I'm telling you!!!
I love how they start waffling when Samson pushes back on them asking how they would be any different 😂
I believe the biggest issue with ESPN radio is the local vs the national broadcast decisions as well as the constant switching of hosts and time slots. It feels like musical chairs at times.
And many of them are old farts
The biggest issue for me is that they hire insufferable narcissistic pricks with egos too big for the same room.
@@jimmytwotimez like Biden then
They also have the host with their name on the show, but never do their show. There is always a fill in.
So true they have stopped nurturing local radio for years now. Think about it the DFW market lost ESPN radio. That's 10 million people.
I graduated from Barry University in Miami Shores Florida. I’ve had dinner on Lincoln Road, been around the buzz sounding Dan Le Batard, and all of that have worked with him for amazing talents and kept us engaged in the mornings! He will b missed and I will always remember his jingle and fathers funny comments!
You guys are professionals, but just another friendly fan reminder.. Keep what you guys have got & built, & keep building. Very few programs are worth the time investment plus entertaining to watch from beginning to finish.. You've got one of those rare gems here 👏🙌
Keep building? This is the biggest trending topic in sports since the Super Bowl... and in 3 days this video has 184k views. There are completely independent commentators who have never worked for ESPN that have more views discussing this topic. I'm sorry to let you know, since you clearly love the show, but it's not long for this world. He's been doing this for 2 entire years and there are only 144k people who care. Dan, and I'm sure most of his fans, thought he was carrying ESPN, but based on this 144k he was a complete non-factor, and continues to be. And there's no chance he's adding new sports fans with his constant race-baiting. People are sick of it... that's why ESPN's ratings are horrendous.
ESPN radio ceased to exist for me the day "The Dan LeBatard Show w/Stugotz" left.
Big Facts 💯
Nah it was awful before that
No way Greenberg thought he was bigger than what he was and broke up Mike and Mike. That was the downfall. He's been at shitty shows ever since and nobody cares what he says lmao
When Disney bought them
Daily would listen to that show. Huge to have it on the dial. Miss it man.
SVP was my favorite ESPN radio personality.
The absolute pinnacle of the ESPN Radio "morning drive" was 1st & Last with Robin Lundberg and Mike Golic, Jr, Mike & Mike, and The Dan LeBatard Show with Stugotz. Greatest 8+ hour stretch of sports and goofball radio ever produced.
That’s one helluva morning drive 😂
I cosign this for sure. I loved it for a few years....from 6:30 am to what....1?....made my work day so much better.
@@ricardomayorga9352 Dan and Stugotz were the pinnacle of a 10 hour work day for me back in those days.
I agree . I did love the robin lunberg show also
I miss 790 The Ticket in general. When they had Joe Rose, Joy, and Sid and Juice, Boog, K Rod, etc.
The discussion on ESPN and the Morning shows was so interesting. I really enjoyed KJM. I have always been a fan of Max’s since Around the Horn and from Boxing. I am also so impressed by J Will. They should use J Will on College Hoops and NBA.
Give J Will Kendrick Perkins's spot. PLEASE!!!
Max works well with blacc ppl minus Stephen a haha but Thts another story stephen a jus has a huge ego which isn’t wrong but I love kjm man they relate to the ppl the show is clsssic
ESPN pisses me off with their switching of radio hosts
@@crzycolchrisI swear
I personally thought that show was a 0/10. I liked absolutely nothing about it.
To put in perspective, Max on “This Just In” I thought was well put together.
Preference I suppose? But those two programs aren’t even in the same league
Only 5 years ago I was getting my life together, stuck in a work release facility. My little radio was everything. ESPN radio was nothing to write home about so I was mostly listening to Fox radio. Fox wasn't perfect, but I did enjoy the Odd Couple w Chris Brousard & Rob Parker. Being born in 1991 has developed my mind to be so confused. I saw the end of the analogue era then when I became an adult, suddenly computers were in our pockets. Sometimes I wish I was born a little bit later so I didn't have that nostalgia for the simpler times.
I'm an ESPN LA former listener. I could tell things were going downhill when they cancelled Thompson and Trudelle. Those two had incredible chemistry, they're both still with the station, but we had to listen to Stephen A do a solo show because that's what corporate wanted to push. Sad!
100%
This show sucked.
Like why does that jaggoff keep saying "audio" instead of radio.
This Libertad guy some days, seemed like, talked about ANYTHING BUT sports.
Always all the STUPID 'morning zoo' laughing hysterically at NOTHING.
My God how far ESPN Radio has fallen from the days of Mike and Mike, Colin Cowherd, Scott Van Pelt Show, and of course The Dan Lebatard Show with Stugotz!
Dan Patrick...when he left it was only a matter of time ...BOOM
Im sorry but no one cares about espn radio or sports radio
You mean the days when no one talked politics on their shows? Yeah, those were the days. Unfortunately Dan, and several other maniacs decided it was more important to push their political agenda than to entertain. And now they're all out of work, and the network is on its last legs... or its last what? 8 or 9 set of legs since they fired everyone else?
@@NrthrnKnght Mike and Mike were bigger than Dan ever was. It was politics that killed ESPN.
@@kenfresno2125 This 100% i agree with they destroyed their self with all that bs.
I liked Keyshawn, JWill, and Max. I listened to it on my way home pretty often, but the chemistry never quite seemed to be there. I have loved everything Max has done, so I hope he finds a good match. Maybe do a show with Wiley online.
Keyshawn thinks anyone who didn’t play a sport professionally shouldn’t talk about it. Furthermore anyone who didn’t play football professionally shouldn’t be able to have a different opinion than him on football.
He’s awful. Even if you think he’s right, it doesn’t make for a good broadcast. Kills the chemistry and discord.
I think he should take Dave's spot on speak and spice that show up some
Kellerman is insufferable. I don't know wtf your talking about lol
Too political. Max virtue signaling got old quickly.
@kevinc8955 Yeah, Keyshawn was my main issue with the show.
The repetitious nature of ESPN radio through the day (same stories,same talk) barring breaking news is the killer. Podcasts by the right personalities can certainly be better with news updates at the top and bottom of the hour interspersed with fewer shows.
That’s what their listeners wanted. When ESPN tried to lean in on new media and complex content, people wanted them to “stick to sports” and the suits caved to a loud minority.
That is the problem...how many different radio shows do you need to hear talk about some bit of sports news? If you have one big show that gets huge ratings and another that's ok the rest can just skate by with low ratings....did ESPN Radio ever have a big ratings show?
Miss those days. Mike and Mike, Lebatard show then SVP and Russillo. Didn’t listen to Cowherd
Didn’t think
I’d ever say this but I never turn on ESPN anymore unless it’s a big nfl or nba game live..
Ironically this was a better show back then. I'd say they're lucky, being that even on the worse days they are still entertaining. I really wish people would show up. Like why hire new members just so they get air time for a week or two and then never show again?
Because Dan can't say no to anyone. That's why they need Samson and foxworth to make the hard decisions.
David is the new Michael from the Office. He's talking shit about the company that he chose to sign with to build his brand and reinvent himself. Mike nailed it. The show has really been rolling!
Or David Wallace. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
He's certainly that asshole who's quite entertaining. Better entertainer than running a baseball team minus stealing a stadium.
@@elias.236oh that’s good. 😂
Did Samson really turn the conversation about overall entertainment numbers into a conversation about his podcast?
Of course he did! Sucks the look at me louie button is broke. Maybe look at me David! Please! No really, look at me!
@@brandon46and2ugh, great comment.... 🙄
I loved Mike & Mike. I like KJM, & I have tremendous respect for all 3 of the guys.
Dipietro & Rothenberg are taking over the airwaves now.
Michael Kay with Don & Pete are also great.
Shout out to Bart & Hahn as well.
I miss Dan LeBatard on the radio but he’s better without limitations now. There’s content everywhere.
ESPN is been a factory for talent & it’s not gonna change.
Kellerman & Keyshawn got laid off today
@@johnnytimestamp8224 I know. They are all talented so they will find better opportunities.
@@roachfatthenostalgist7535 Keyshawn prob at least get a try out w Skip
@@johnnytimestamp8224 Key is the worst former sports guy on media. Embarrassingly ignorant, obviously doesnt watch much ball. His horrible takes were jokes.
I knew KJM wouldn't last when Keyshawn had more appearances through Zoom than in studio. And funny how in the last few shows bro has been present 😂😂😂
You're the first one that I seen notice that. Weeks/if not weeks ago, I noticed that KJ was doing all of the shows from home while Jay and Max were in CT and in the studio. I didn't understand that.
@@lars_plumlee extra terrible when he talks anything other than football. His Laker bias is difficult to listen to as well.
Once Colen Cowherd left ESPN Radio in 2015 for FS1, that was the beginning of the end.
Cowherd sucks....
Reds had a weekday crowd of 7,500 (record low) immediately preceding their 12 game win streak. Good baseball sells in small markets. Great baseball sells out. Doesn't hurt to have a rookie phenon show up.
Le Batard's show is unsurpassed. Bomani Jones is an American sports angle monster who was introduced to me via Dan the Man.
Missed Mike and Mike. Glad my city has good local talent. Love listening to the local line up. Funny how KJM was a downgrade to the local programming. Freddy and Fitz should take that spot.
Fitz is out too.
Freddy and fitz was so damn boring lol
Interesting that they are 8 minutes into this convo already and haven't mentioned that new cars are starting to sell without AM radio. Even local talk sports is going to go away. This won't just be an ESPN thing.
Am is on the HD FM format in newer cars. Am radio is not going anywhere.
@@4149stoneponyBut does your average driver know how to find the content? That’s the issue. Once AM isn’t in cars, the stations die a quiet, slow death.
That's what apps are for. That's how I listen to my local sports talk station.
@@davidleary4524 if your power goes out and your internet goes down your app is useles.. the AM frequency still has a place in my opinion. I hope it doesnt go away
Now some cars aren't even coming with xm radio. Which is odd to me, not sure if it's a licensing thing or just shortages
I prefer local sports radio over the national shows. Hearing about the local teams keeps my interest rather than being subjected to hearing about the Dallas Cowboys, LA Lakers, and who will make the college football playoffs or the Heisman race. That is so tiring.
Agree with you 💯. It's the problem that ESPN and any national media. The same topics all day long. Talking Lakers Cowboys Yankees...🙄
Max and Marcellus was another GREAT show. One of the very few "mainstream" ESPN shows like Mike and Mike where the chemistry and content was good enough to listen to every minute every day. These days most shows I don't even care to hear the highlights.
ESPN radio has always been the most cookie-cutter and soft radio in existence. That's why we like the Le Batard show and why Dan existed in a space of making fun of it. I don't get the sentimentality. 95% of the shows were trash, full of people afraid to take tough stances. Evolve or die. Good riddance.
The sentimentality is a way for them to be self involved and make it about themselves.
Pretty much all this show does now
@@colinwhat769 Not even sure what that means. So basically you just don't like the causes Dan stands up for? The show has been a huge hit since they left ESPN and most people think it's better. The metrics show that. So Pat McAfee is not self-involved? Colin Cowherd doesn't make the show about himself? WTF kind of criticism is this lol?
@@rokka222bad criticism and failed attempt to hijack your point lol so apparently there’s a bunch of hate watchers of this show… and they all love Samson 😂
@@rokka222I kind of think Pat Macafee is overrated. I’m not his core audience demo, but I don’t get him and the schtick.
The other day I accidentally turned on ESPN Radio any my wife just went "Wow, you haven't listened to this in forever.". I hadn't even noticed that I didn't listen to it anymore. I used to listen all day from about 2004 until 2016-ish. LeBatard, The Right Time, Jalen and Jacoby, Jorge and Izzy, Freddie Coleman was the last lineup that I remember tuning in all day for. Slowly I just kept tuning in less and less. The last nail was LeBatard. Other than hearing people complain about whatever Kellerman's show is/was, I don't know any other show that is on there anymore.
The Era of ESPN Radio that you just highlighted was amazing. Once the started messing around with the shows and lineup it went downhill
How do you accidentally put on ESPN? This is one of those "my 5 year old said Donald Trump's foreign policy is antithetical to his campaign promises".
@kenfresno2125 I was changing stations on the radio and stopped on ESPN Radio without thinking. Accidentally may not have described it perfectly, but it gets the point across that it wasn't something that I meant to do.
@@gernblanston2652 I don't believe you at all. No one just scrolls through stations on the radio. It's not 1982. Stop lying to try to make a point that doesn't exist. ESPN died because they forced politics into sports. That simple. The ratings decline started exactly when it happened, and it's been downhill ever since.
If ESPN really wants to make a big splash (splash Mike Tomlin sounder) they should give Stugotz his own morning show. Call it "Stu Gotz The Morning Show"©®™ Billy Gil as the EP and co-host shid would be lit 🔥
But fucc ESPN they had their time it's y'all time to shine now Danno! I love my gang just as they are right here! Even you Chris Cote, you showed me flashes of ESPN fatz and info last week shid brought a crocodile tear to my eye no 🧢 keep up the good work.
In school I loved the idea of being a deejay like my longtime local one, but saw radio wouldn't last, so found another career, but used to say if born a decade later, I'd have loved starting sports radio's height. Now, though, it seems I'd have been in a dying profession anyway if I'd done that.
I used to listen to sports radio in my car constantly.
Now I listen to RUclips videos.
Need better local talent. Love it where I am at.
Mike talks of how ESPN screwed up with Podcasts with them, the _real_ screw up was Bill Simmons. ESPN was on the ground floor of the entire Podcast revolution with by all accounts the 2nd biggest podcaster in the world and they had zero clue how to monetize it, let alone capitalize on it. Even with his forced time off and basically starting over again, in 2020 Spotify paid just shy of 200M for 51% of the Ringer, but really it's the Podcast network they were after.
When Adam Carrolla can just guest star on a few pods and see the potential and create his own entire network and generate more revenue than ESPN Radio it just shows how ass backwards ESPN was dropping the ball.
@dannytallmage2409 i mean, they have a market cap of 32 billion, so if your take is ESPN was better at monetizing podcasts, you're definitely zagging from everyone else who has an opinion on this. But all the power to you.
@dannytallmage2409 but they're talking about how poorly ESPN is run. Even if Spotify overpaid for the Ringer by 50M, that means it was still worth nearly 280M, and ESPN let Simmons walk for nothing. They let McAfee walk, then paid him millions to return. They let Lebatard and company walk with their entire library according to Ruiz for nothing.
They were light years behind on where the market was going thinking terrestrial radio was still important and now they're basically scuttling it entirely because it's not profitable.
ESPN, and ESPN radio used to be an every morning thing for me, and I'm sure many others. Really is sad to see how far the company has fallen.
Please do not draw the obvious correlation of people like Dan forcing lefty politics onto the network, and the exact moment the network headed downhill. Pretend it's not happening. You guys are on the right side of history. Who cares if it has resulted in what? 40 or 50 people losing their jobs over the last 3 years? So what?! The communist agenda is all that matters.
It’s not sad. They deserve every bit of their downfall with their mismanagement, incompetence, arrogance, and forced political agendas.
I miss Old Guy Radio with Tony Kornheiser.
"The Rangers aren't winning because of their free agents.." - Mike Ryan. The Rangers best four players have been signed in the past two off-seasons.
That's a Stu take, right?!?
@@brandon46and2 It was Mike.. He also called back to the Rangers "paying big money for Cliff Lee (and it didn't work out)", when that was a deadline deal, the Rangers won the American League, and Lee signed big money with the Phillies that following off-season.
@@BillyHoyle25 somewhat true statements. Seager having a monster year on a monster contract but got injured. Semian having a decent year on a monster deal. Eovaldi and Jon Gray were excellent FA signings. Probably their best player this year is Adolis Garcia and he's homegrown. All true about the Cliff Lee signing from Seattle - he was a rental. You could make an argument that their best signing was getting Bruce Bochy out of retirement....
@@javakidnyc1 We mostly agree, just picking some nits.. Semien is arguably the best player at his position and top-10 in WAR. "Decent" is an undersell of his season so far. Seager is the AL MVP betting favorite, in spite of the injury. Love Adolis (even more so because they got him from St. Louis for couch cushion change) but Seager is the dude.
@@BillyHoyle25 I think you forgot about the AL MVP betting favorite leading the league in most everything out in Anaheim.
Totally agree you can tell ESPN face up on radio and podcast. Even in the ESPN app radio and podcast are inaccessible. It’s sad they real refused to develop talent on that lane and it shows
I just need somebody to explain how Dan Patrick is still on the radio, blathering always and endlessly about nothing. Five seconds of him is more than I can handle.
letub is a clown watched by incels on the net. Sorry.
DP has audience and they have loved him since 1993. DP show rocks.
Explain Malinka Andrews
The Dan Patrick show is dry & super overrated. Cant handle more than a few minutes of it.
Listening to you guys talking baseball is like listening to a "Back in my Day." Good shit!
I miss sports talk pioneers like Chris Berman and Tom Jackson on Sunday NFL Primetime. Times have certainly changed.
Dan was one of the driving forces of that change. No longer was talking about sports and making a couple jokes acceptable. Now you have to break down the racist and sexist implications of every single story. If you miss sports talk being sports talk... blame Dan.
Tom Jackson has never been a talk show host
@@anthonytaylor7928he and Chris Berman Chris Carter and keyshawn Johnson was the best countdown show
Miller & Moulton out of Naples FL is the last of the great morning sports shows. I hope they continue forever if possible.
Dan needs a "back in my day" to get out his ESPN feelings.
It is a little wild how he's completely independent and hugely successful but still a little bitter.
You think he has an NDA?
@@DC3PO-ty3mz You didn't realize they were lying? A company has no way to make you sign an NDA if you are leaving. You're not required to do anything for a former employer. Why would he have signed an NDA on the way out the door? Just to be nice and to make his show worse? It's yet another lie by this racist clown to make himself seem like a victim.
When my wife passed away in December 2015 I couldn't turn my car radio to music.. I just couldn't. Too depressing. So I found solace in listening to ESPN radio and LeBatard and Stugotz. At first thought Stugotz was an escapee from Hogan's Heroes. Now gone just like the show that followed, Mike and Mike in the morning.
Now Dan has 3 more bitter ex-employees to have as guests on his show where they can all bad-mouth ESPN.
Someone needs to inform them "welcome to the world of business". This is what most people in our society deal with every day. Move on guys! Grow like the rest of us have had to.
@@gregalvis4339 This is not at all what most people deal with... because these folks cost themselves their jobs. Forcing politics into sports has killed the network to the point where they're laying off 20 on-air talents in a single day. Guys like Dan, and the other whiners he's had on, were the driving force of politics being added to ESPN. Meaning they were also the driving force in the destruction of ESPN. They didn't lose their jobs, they cost themselves their jobs.
I grew up with ESPN and the Weather Channel. Sad to see where both are today
Dan is so right. I tell my son of the days Colin, SVP and others would be on my work radio all day. And I enjoyed it. That was 15-20 years ago. It is truly sad what espn radio and tv have become now. Won’t watch. Espn is and has been dead. Mutha out.
You aren't in to hamfisting wnba updates every day?
I don't know which jerkoffs at universities trained this current generation of middle managers to focus their attention on as narrow an audience as possible, but the premise itself is laughably counterproductive.
Man I havnt listened to Dan's show when he left ESPN an started running a podcast. He was the only reason I even listened to ESPN
Max Jay and Keyshawn was a 🔥🔥🔥🔥 Show. I'm gonna miss it. Someone needs to pick it up!
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You're kidding right? Keyshawn was almost never there, and when he was he clearly did zero research on the topics. It was clear he was hearing them for the first time when Max read them, and just tried to quickly come up with something to say. Most of his responses made little to no sense, or were some attempt at a reference or joke to distract from the fact that he did no prep.
ya'll, Cowherd, Ryen Russillo, and Dan Patrick. My go-to the last 10 years, I don't care what platform ya'll are on I'll find you. Great video. ESPN bought Pat for his VIEWERS/FOLLOWERS. Period.
Why else would a network hire someone? You understand their job is to get people to watch the network, right? Clearly that's lost on you folks who think the point of ESPN is to push identity politics and race-bait every single topic... but it actually exists to make money.
These guys are still reliving the one time the marlins were good 30 years ago
That's what sports is all about buddy guy dude
I'm big on visual consumption, like with reactions & expressions, so my favorite shows such as this, McAfee & DP I'll watch on demand, but I work 10 hour shifts weekdays & then I still listen to other podcasts while at work throughout the week.
If you ever listened to that morning show it was just keyshawn and J Will disagreeing and arguing with Max about literally everything. Max is way too smart for guys like that
Max’s problem is he thinks he the smartest person in the room at all times and usually he is. He has learned how to let other talk, get to their conclusions and then reply. Just as he was with Marcellus WAY back in LA he has to be correct. He needs to do another one man show like Cowherd does, that’s his strong suit. His baseball and boxing are to tops for me. The other sports I find him about average. He shouldn’t work with partners, it’s not for him. He needs to be the only voice. That show I would watch and/or listen too.
Thats almost worse than some of maxs takes
@@g.fredsimmons759 good point. I agree. And i also would listen to max alone. Better then Greenys morning radio show that comes on after. I hate Greeny
@@Gi-or8bk its a fact. 2 pros and cup of joe is better then Key J Will Max. But that show is missing Brady Quinn rn and he is crucial
Keyshawn is useless
They kept Malika Andrews, ESPN has no credibility going forward
This show and Stephen A used to get me through my work day, damn.....stop messing up good things
Their the ones that messed it up with identity politics and race-baiting. They ran off half of the viewers, and now they can't afford to keep anyone.
I loved Mike and Mike when that went away I went away
I love KJM. Dang.
Zero desire to "reminisce" about ESPN radio as it's 95% utter bullshit.
I've gotta say, ESPN WI is a really great radio network. They have a load of great local shows but the station is owned by Good Karma Brands and I believe they simply license out the name ESPN. That being said, they regularly get national ESPN talent to appear on the local shows, and the local hosts at times are given fill-in spots on the national shows. They also rip-off you guys at every friggin turn and I feel like they should be paying you guys for all the bits they steal.
“Talent” What talent does it take to talk into a mic about sports ?
@@EatinOffMyOwnPlate lemme ask you this, do you like every single sports radio show that you listen to?
When ESPN went political I quit listening to everything. Haven't tuned in to ESPN for at least 10 years, maybe longer. Don't miss it at all.
Any show with Max and Keyshawn as the face of it is bound to fail!!!
You forgot Jay
@@jujitsujuice9651 Jay doesn't qualify i went with the guys who media experience already. Jay is bad tho!!! Lol
@@genetallen7130 jay has quality knowledge of the game, but his takes outside of the X’s and O’s are outlandish and unwarranted
The problem is that mediocre talent becomes too expensive, there is so much inexpensive talent in podcasting, pat is a good example
I disagree with Dan. KJM was the best show in the lineup on the main channel, even more so than FT most days and imo they had great chemistry. In fact it is the closest thing to old school DLS left at ESPN since Pablo is no longer working on Debatable. I'm sad to see them cancelled because imo Max was the reason the show felt genuine and there were so many times on rejoins where they didnt even talk about sports. And they had a REAL connection with call in listeners. I never watched that show prior to that other no name host they started with.
Jkm was an okay show. Not the best but not the worst. The problem is ESPN holding onto names like the Greenberg Show where Greenberg is never the actual host of his own show.
Your show leaving their airwaves was truly the beginning of the end for them. Quite frankly I'm surprised it took them this long to pull the plug.
The Lebatard Show was at its best when they were strictly radio before ESPN when they were on 790 the ticket. A local or "homegrown" show ( like Pat McAfee) usually suffers because the identity of their shows are watered down to appease corporate agenda. Money is always attractive but at the cost of compromise is not worth it.
Yep it was great back then
Keyshawn was the problem on that show he acted like he didn't want to be there
Pet peeve: Can we stop describing people as always "consuming content"? People listen to the radio. They want to hear things, not consume content, whatever the hell that is.
Unfortunately producing content is the same as creating a product. Everything is a commodity for people tobuy. It's all about marketing consumption and selling
corporate radio speak by suits who have zero clue
It's another dumb buzzphrase fabricated by the misanthropic aspies in the tech sector who've managed to hijack every industry in the country and make them all worse.
Charlotte was 🤌🏽🤌🏽 today i can't chose if it was the Sopranos or Ace Ventura references but love em both 🙏🏽🙌🏽
ESPN = Engineered Social Propaganda Network. Fixed it.
Interesting insight from people that were on the inside.
ESPN morning radio was largely uninspired since Mike and Mike ended. ESPN thought they could throw in any random person and make a show called "[Last name], [Last name], and [Last name]" in an era where now people can on demand go find the people they actually give a shit about and listen to them instead.
“You’re growing it right now.” - Mike Ryan
This show (and it’s team - shout to Dan) has been genuinely genius level since I first started listening almost everyday 10-11 years ago.
KJM was awesome. I may be partial to the show due to Keyshawn being an similarly raised LA product.
Shout to all of the talent *Juju voice*.
Their views on RUclips is laughable in comparison to McAfee, PMT, Cowherd, and others.
@@rbrinks5 I’ve noticed that too, and wondered about that.
Especially since the “pirate ship” model ‘allegedly’ had the algorithm spaz.
I can’t really listen to those other shows. They make my ears bleed. Idk if it’s because I’ve grown to love and crave this one or from another factor.
I just know that this show is super (insert positive adjective here).
Every radio show needs to be a tv show now.
I learned ESPN punts alot!thanks😂
In all honesty this show made me start listening to fox sports. Key surprisingly knows very little about anything. Jay seems grumpy all the time & Max is Max.
I thought Max n Jwill had some potential. Key is awful. Even him talking about football is painful. I can barely make it through a RUclips clip.
@@JamesKlass79 It's pretty clear Keyshawn did absolutely 0 prep, and was hearing each topic for the first time live on-air. I don't blame him for stealing a paycheck from Disney, but that's absolutely what he was doing.
haven't listened to ESPN radio since Mike and Mike.
I can't count how many morning shifts KJM got me through. This is devastating
Sorry to hear that. We've got content for you if we can help on the morning shifts.
Its wasn't a good show.
They need to start off by getting rid of Malika Andrews. That’s the whole problem with ESPN is her and them trying to prove they support the me to movement
Even when Lebatard tried to be the wokist guy in the room he still gets shown the door.
how the fk could a show with lebatard and racist bomani jones even exist? that's the world we live in
Angry palebro is angry. Hates liberalism, yet whines just like a liberal. Well done.
I’m not sure how ESPN failed with radio. Some of the more popular podcast are just that person’s radio show or television show put out in podcast form. I love listening to talk radio, that’s why I enjoy a podcast. Maybe if major companies gave the talent more freedom, it would be a success.
They forced politics into all of their shows. Everything became a discussion of sex or race, and for some reason they felt the need to start talking about Presidents and policing after having never once done so in the past. They spit in the face of their core audience and attempted to shame them into following their political ideology. People don't like being preached too... especially when they were just trying to listen to sports talk.
The second they started talking politics the ratings started dropping, and the more they talk about them the more they drop.
Used to be a great lineup. Starting with Mike & Mike. Then onto Cowherd. Then Scott Van Pelt and Rusillo. LeBatard was a great part of that as well, but on the other ESPN channel. Now it kinda sucks…which is why Undisputed took off. Sidenote: I miss the original SportsNation.
Original sports nation was great
I was a huge ESPN Radio listener years ago. Loved your show, His & Hers and Cowherd. Those were the days
Another fan referencing the days before every topic was about race or sex... yet Dan is king of the race-baiters, and makes every other topic about race. This is a guy whose father had to escape a communist nation, and lived a wonderful life here in America... but his son is desperate to turn this into a communist country.
Mike and Mike, SVP and Russilo, Cowherd . lineup was incredible. go woke go broke
Great break down i used to watch you guys everyday on espn. Still catch you guys pretty often thanks for the great show
Keyshawn was horrible and I don’t wana hear J will talk about football ever again it was time for a reset
The cause, WFAN! Espn can't compete.
Mike Ryan mentioned that ESPN punted on its radio shows and podcasts, which is an embarrassment. I ask, is it an really an embarrassment or an adjustment to the times? I believe when you look at the current radio and podcast landscape, one is possibly on its death bed, with the other being exploited in every possible fashion. At some point, radio may completely die out and podcasting will fall right along. I don't want to give ESPN credit, as I do believe they sold themselves to the First Take format and mindset that they tripped over, but you have to give credit to them for looking at what Pat Mcafee is doing and jumping aboard that money train.
With that said, it's a damn shame we lost the days of good radio, from Dan LeBatard, Mike and Mike and the unsung hero Freddie Coleman. Back when good content was just a standard, not a desire.
ESPN Radio in NYC is LIT, Dave and Rich, Greeny, Bart and Honn and The Michael Kay Show...We good up here
Keyshawn, JWill & Max was my morning tune-in here in LA. Keyshawn's LA connections gave the show a flavor I enjoyed, along with the football-basketball dynamic between he & JWill. I guess this wasn't playing well across the rest of the country, but Disney is bleeding money and is desperate to cut costs.
For reference I am one of those 'older listeners' (Boomer). I listen to podcasts, but still like my AM radio.
I turned in some highlights a few months back and it was after 5 mins of still talking about what Keyshawn cooked I was out.
Thank you for covering the shop talk with ESPN and the radio industry. Y’all look so prescient right now having jumped ship and built this before that happened for yourselves. I hope everyone involved feels proud of making that decision despite all of the challenges and additional work I’m sure it’s brought on. Very cool to watch Mike flex his producer knowledge and experience, With McAfee, giving up his outsiders throne to to go corporate y’all might end up catching them as the sports people for the alternative crowd. Rooting for the pirates to make it happen!!
Mike showed the real reason that he's there right then.
Loved KJM. I watched on ESPNU early in the morning. In Dallas and ESPN cut their radio station here months ago, so not surprising. Top 5 media market that doesn’t have an ESPN radio channel. Radio has been dead at ESPN
I haven't turned on ESPN radio since Lebatard left. Bomani Jones and Dominique are the only voices there i seek out, and i get them on Google podcasts.