wow that's really cool, most on proc items are based on use of that item only. I haven't gone back and re-read the item before I made this reply but if true it means this item was designed for i'd assume melee only hunter or possibly beast mastery hunters which is cool. my only side comment would be I hope this wouldn't take away from ranged hunter options by replacing what could be a epic lvl ranged wpn, but just add to it. so i'd hope we have a ranged options as well, maybe in the same choice to get through blood moon pvp or a related to get item.
whats missing is a summary of the statsweights value to ranged hunters, on all options. the 30ish strength that comes at the cost of (in theory) 30 agility (36 with hotl) which is a bit like unequipping chest and legs to parse as a MM now. that is where p2 falls apart for those of us that play hunter, and didnt roll it by mistake, thinking this is retail, or missed the part about rogue, warrior, feral, retri, ench shammy, who all are actual melee classes. take 30 strength from warriors sets, and replace it with intellect, buff their one ranged attack and tell them they are ranged now - then ull see what they say about it. yet we have to deal with it, for some reason.
Making melee weaving even more benefitial than it was in og classic is the best thing that happened to Hunters. If you played Hunter like a ranged turret in Classic than you were not using the full potential of the class. I mean, I get what you say, wouldn't hurt to just have a full agi set as str is always worse
@@chocrikir655 thats a hateful mechanic - running 50% of every fight is awful gameplay. but atleast thats gone. now its DW BM in melee 100% - ranged atatcks cant keep up with melee ones
@@Naturetvz thx :) its good to hear tbh - bit frustrated by so many going "woOw" over the stuff hunter gets, and litterally hasnt done a lick of thinking
if part of a big AOE pull mage type of scenario i'd go lone wolf, marksman, w/ explosive shot. besides that niche scenario i'd go BM, as it does close to the same dmg as marksman currently, but your pet will scale better than you as you lvl since your gear will stay the same / BM is much more mana effecient for constant dmg
this video was centered around only new items discovered in datamining, however those bracers typically are released in later phases of classic it's unclear if they will be available at 40, if so a must get for sure.
i dont get why all go for slow range weapons... ever played with hurricane at 60? 1,8 attack speed with the eagle 30% haste proc, it is down to 1,26 seconds...it will even procs eagle more often now. you normally got permanent eagle +30% haste proc!.. thats by far more dmg increase than any melee weave can ever to and you just stand still and not hustling arround as a melee weaver
@@tokopaaisen2927 well aware. it doesnt matter tho. shots are only for pulling, pvp and some solowork, so rotations dont matter really. pve dps will be 100% melee. ure flanking, raptor KC macro. thats it. just abt as braindead and booring as u can imagine. what they are doing to hunters, is a hatecrime. u will feel the hate when u roll MS on the first epic melee weapon and the whining starts from the real melee classes. "Hunters have prio on ranged weps, so we want prio on melee" - nope, no more. melee is the main weapon, and if u have an axe, and another axe drops, its yrs, for the DW spec. shouldnt even roll on it, as thats a huge damagespike. yea, super times to come. glad i have a guld full of only great guys who get theorycrafting. most dont, and will feel all that hate. doubled when u also slaughter those melees in pvp, with permarooting in FFA pvp. we like classic for the good social experience, and they litterally do everything possible to make it a hateful place. yea, a hatecrime against a class. as a sociolgical experiment, its fascinating, or i would quit this moment.
Honestly, they should just make a seperate hunter set.....the str on it is most likely for the shammans who also use the same set and gain no AP from agi, since str only gives 1ap for melee hunter and literaly nothing else agi also gives 1 melee AP and also crit chance, and pet damage(since pet only scales off of ranged AP) so even for melee hunter (who are insentivised to go down the surv tree that gives a bonus 15% agi) having agi is better then str in any situation, so dont cry about melee hunter ruining the item set, melee hunter also has the same stat prio as ranger (other then flat AP on items witch might be better) if ya wana blame someone blame the ench shamans for the shit gear lmao
well tbh, regardless of what spec you choose melee weave is strong - this set looks really good, it only has 2 less agi than the leather set while having a decent amounf of strength and 76 attack power. it'll be a strong set for ranged, but adds extra benefit for the min/maxers who also weave.
@@Naturetvz ur right on that end....i was saying It more for those doomers who are saying "melee Hunter is killing ranged Hunter by making their gear shit" while str is Also a super weak stat for melee Hunter and yeah the New addition of flat AP tô the items was dope Hope they continue the trend later on xD
@@MrPratboy yeah true, i mean i think we can all agree melee only hunter falls under as a meme and should never do better than ranged hunter or other melee only classes like rogue, or war and to your point blizzard catering to melee only means we get less rune/gear options that could make ranged stronger. - it's hard to compete when your class has 1/3 of all decisions with melee hunter in mind while rogues have 3/3 all going for melee only
the pvp hunter bow is for MELEE hunter.... proc is on HIT for range AND melee.... imagine hunter wearing this, melee attack and instant gain +50str.... so strong
@@Monnisti that could be. bit odd phrasing if thats right, but then again, if it isnt, noone will ever get a proc as they will never leave melee. so u might be right on that, even tho it doesnt say any hit or spell, it just says "hit". great for the /spit melee hunters if thats the case. so glad they get a tiny buff of 62 strength almost constantly and ranged hunter get to wear strengthgear. fantastic gamedesign. makes me vommit in my mouth actualy.
Wayyyyyyy too much STR on all our stuff. Melee hunter is not a unique fun new SoD class.. once again Hunters getting the shit end of the stick by Blizz...
well tbh, regardless of what spec you choose - this set looks really good, it only has 2 less agi than the leather set while having a decent amount of strength and 76 attack power which the leather set does not have. side note also has the same hit and crit at 1 each. it'll be the strongest set for ranged and equivalent, stat weighting for ranged compared to the leather for melee but adds extra benefit for the min/maxers who also weave. to summarize, they didn't take away from our mail set having the strength and intellect, they literally made it just as good for ranged and added those xtra. you can't just look at agi vs leather u have to add that 76 attack power to realize how strong it is.
Bloodmoon bow is "equip: chance on hit" which means ANY attacks can proc it, including melee attacks.
wow that's really cool, most on proc items are based on use of that item only.
I haven't gone back and re-read the item before I made this reply but if true it means this item was designed for i'd assume melee only hunter or possibly beast mastery hunters which is cool.
my only side comment would be I hope this wouldn't take away from ranged hunter options by replacing what could be a epic lvl ranged wpn, but just add to it.
so i'd hope we have a ranged options as well, maybe in the same choice to get through blood moon pvp or a related to get item.
We're only going to get like 2 rune slots. Forget helm and bracers
Samm jackson called said to say TOUCH BASE one more time .....
whats missing is a summary of the statsweights value to ranged hunters, on all options. the 30ish strength that comes at the cost of (in theory) 30 agility (36 with hotl) which is a bit like unequipping chest and legs to parse as a MM now.
that is where p2 falls apart for those of us that play hunter, and didnt roll it by mistake, thinking this is retail, or missed the part about rogue, warrior, feral, retri, ench shammy, who all are actual melee classes.
take 30 strength from warriors sets, and replace it with intellect, buff their one ranged attack and tell them they are ranged now - then ull see what they say about it.
yet we have to deal with it, for some reason.
Making melee weaving even more benefitial than it was in og classic is the best thing that happened to Hunters. If you played Hunter like a ranged turret in Classic than you were not using the full potential of the class.
I mean, I get what you say, wouldn't hurt to just have a full agi set as str is always worse
dont forget missing out on True Shot aura
@@chocrikir655 thats a hateful mechanic - running 50% of every fight is awful gameplay. but atleast thats gone. now its DW BM in melee 100% - ranged atatcks cant keep up with melee ones
hey just wanted to say i've noticed comments by you, appreciate all of them as they add things for us to discuss as a hunter community.
app you!
@@Naturetvz thx :) its good to hear tbh - bit frustrated by so many going "woOw" over the stuff hunter gets, and litterally hasnt done a lick of thinking
which specc would u recommend for the dungeon grinde till 40 ?
if part of a big AOE pull mage type of scenario i'd go lone wolf, marksman, w/ explosive shot.
besides that niche scenario i'd go BM, as it does close to the same dmg as marksman currently, but your pet will scale better than you as you lvl since your gear will stay the same / BM is much more mana effecient for constant dmg
What about the epic leather wrist with 14 agi from wsg exatled?
this video was centered around only new items discovered in datamining,
however those bracers typically are released in later phases of classic it's unclear if they will be available at 40, if so a must get for sure.
i dont get why all go for slow range weapons... ever played with hurricane at 60? 1,8 attack speed with the eagle 30% haste proc, it is down to 1,26 seconds...it will even procs eagle more often now. you normally got permanent eagle +30% haste proc!.. thats by far more dmg increase than any melee weave can ever to and you just stand still and not hustling arround as a melee weaver
You do not want to clip autoshots.
weaponspeed isnt normalized in sod. so slow=big dmg
You can’t use aimed shot or steady shot. As every cast time clips at least one autoshot it’s like dmg loss
@@tokopaaisen2927 well aware. it doesnt matter tho. shots are only for pulling, pvp and some solowork, so rotations dont matter really. pve dps will be 100% melee.
ure flanking, raptor KC macro. thats it. just abt as braindead and booring as u can imagine. what they are doing to hunters, is a hatecrime.
u will feel the hate when u roll MS on the first epic melee weapon and the whining starts from the real melee classes. "Hunters have prio on ranged weps, so we want prio on melee" - nope, no more. melee is the main weapon, and if u have an axe, and another axe drops, its yrs, for the DW spec. shouldnt even roll on it, as thats a huge damagespike.
yea, super times to come.
glad i have a guld full of only great guys who get theorycrafting. most dont, and will feel all that hate.
doubled when u also slaughter those melees in pvp, with permarooting in FFA pvp.
we like classic for the good social experience, and they litterally do everything possible to make it a hateful place. yea, a hatecrime against a class.
as a sociolgical experiment, its fascinating, or i would quit this moment.
Honestly, they should just make a seperate hunter set.....the str on it is most likely for the shammans who also use the same set and gain no AP from agi, since str only gives 1ap for melee hunter and literaly nothing else agi also gives 1 melee AP and also crit chance, and pet damage(since pet only scales off of ranged AP) so even for melee hunter (who are insentivised to go down the surv tree that gives a bonus 15% agi) having agi is better then str in any situation, so dont cry about melee hunter ruining the item set, melee hunter also has the same stat prio as ranger (other then flat AP on items witch might be better) if ya wana blame someone blame the ench shamans for the shit gear lmao
well tbh, regardless of what spec you choose melee weave is strong - this set looks really good, it only has 2 less agi than the leather set while having a decent amounf of strength and 76 attack power.
it'll be a strong set for ranged, but adds extra benefit for the min/maxers who also weave.
@@Naturetvz ur right on that end....i was saying It more for those doomers who are saying "melee Hunter is killing ranged Hunter by making their gear shit" while str is Also a super weak stat for melee Hunter and yeah the New addition of flat AP tô the items was dope Hope they continue the trend later on xD
@@MrPratboy yeah true, i mean i think we can all agree melee only hunter falls under as a meme and should never do better than ranged hunter or other melee only classes like rogue, or war and to your point blizzard catering to melee only means we get less rune/gear options that could make ranged stronger.
- it's hard to compete when your class has 1/3 of all decisions with melee hunter in mind while rogues have 3/3 all going for melee only
the pvp hunter bow is for MELEE hunter.... proc is on HIT for range AND melee.... imagine hunter wearing this, melee attack and instant gain +50str.... so strong
Seems like everyone is missing chance on hit proc yes
5% chance. meanwhile, ure loosing procs on double raptorstrikes while u sit there for 10 sec fishing for the buff.
@@sebastianbergstl4423 you still dont understand? The proc isnt tied to bow attacks. It will proc on melee. Or are you just answering to wrong comment
@@Monnisti that could be. bit odd phrasing if thats right, but then again, if it isnt, noone will ever get a proc as they will never leave melee. so u might be right on that, even tho it doesnt say any hit or spell, it just says "hit". great for the /spit melee hunters if thats the case. so glad they get a tiny buff of 62 strength almost constantly and ranged hunter get to wear strengthgear. fantastic gamedesign. makes me vommit in my mouth actualy.
If it says "equip:" before chance on hit, it means you just have to have it equiped for it to proc. That bow is 100% best in slot for melee hunter.
Wayyyyyyy too much STR on all our stuff. Melee hunter is not a unique fun new SoD class.. once again Hunters getting the shit end of the stick by Blizz...
I second this
well tbh, regardless of what spec you choose - this set looks really good, it only has 2 less agi than the leather set while having a decent amount of strength and 76 attack power which the leather set does not have. side note also has the same hit and crit at 1 each.
it'll be the strongest set for ranged and equivalent, stat weighting for ranged compared to the leather for melee but adds extra benefit for the min/maxers who also weave.
to summarize, they didn't take away from our mail set having the strength and intellect, they literally made it just as good for ranged and added those xtra. you can't just look at agi vs leather u have to add that 76 attack power to realize how strong it is.
@@Naturetvzfor pvp u would still go with the mail set ?