Let me preface that I have a very modest collection of games; do you think there is a lot of overlap between Peloponnes, Nations, and Suburbia? If so, which two would you grab before mysteriously crashing on a deserted island. :)
JW G. Peloponnes & Nations are both in my top 10 of all time, so it'd have to be them. Suburbia is my #21 of all time, so it ranks high too :) all the of the games play radically differently
Is there a death spiral in this game? It seems to me that if you get hit by a disaster or a supply phase, you lose stuff, which makes you produce less stuff, which makes you unable to pay for more expensive stuff in the future, which makes all other players at the table run away with the game. I haven't played it, but during the video I haven't seen any mechanism that alleviate the "poor get poorer" issue. Do you find it to be a problem?
the game gives you ample time to prepare for disasters, they never sneak up on you. and you can survive losing tiles or what have you if you've strategized to no longer need them being stronger in other areas :)
I'm honestly shocked this game doesn't get more attention. For anyone that's looking to teach someone a next step after Catan this is an excellent pick and I've had lots of success with it in that context. Learning three more keystones of modern euro game design (auction, universal events and feeding) is easy to understand in to in Peloponnes and I feel the game is no more complex than Catan. PS - this review is still great Richard it's not nearly as bad as your top10 made it seem (I had to come back and rewatch it after your comments lol).
+rahdo not kind I know how difficult it is to play and narrate games - I've tried recording a few myself inspired by your series but ehhh dunno! Question though if you have a moment; do you have all the expansions contained in the Peloponnes Box expansion? Any plans on trying all the modules with the base? I'm really wondering how you rank them all together. I read a post you made on the geek a while back but at that point you still had yet to try them all iirc.
+Alex M yes, everything fits easily in the base box. i did to a 'super runthrough' with every module in the game turned on a few months ago as a live streamed show :)
Your luxury goods token should start on 0 and not 1. It can be easily overlooked, since all of the other resource/population grids/tables have the 0 space built inside the grid as the first space, but there was not room for the luxury goods to have that option.
Love it. I took lots of notes. The auction bidding so great, fast and risky if you bid too low. The loan system is so cool and elegant! Funny video too :)
smoothcriminal28 i think pelo works great with any player count, actually. here's a response i gave awhile ago about how we value the different expansions: www.boardgamegeek.com/video/15870?commentid=4742545#comment4742545 :)
Interesting! I'd never considered that before, but I guess there's some truth to that statement. Peloponnes is ALL about the auction though - at it's heart its an auction game. Suburbia has a tile draft, but that's not really the core of the game - that's what the spacial puzzle building is. Love them both to bits, but I think we prefer Peloponnes a bit more, as it's a bit more clean and elegant
we like this a lot more than goa. the auction system is much better for 2p, and there's no restrictive tech tree, so games feel like they play much more differently, plus it's quicker. goa is great, but peloponnes is sublime, in our opinion :)
Haven't played this version yet, but after several plays of the card game I think I'll pass on this. Both are great games, but the card game to me is much more streamlined and elegant; feels like an evolution of its big brother.
Let me preface that I have a very modest collection of games; do you think there is a lot of overlap between Peloponnes, Nations, and Suburbia? If so, which two would you grab before mysteriously crashing on a deserted island. :)
JW G. Peloponnes & Nations are both in my top 10 of all time, so it'd have to be them. Suburbia is my #21 of all time, so it ranks high too :) all the of the games play radically differently
Pelo is less migraine and less table space.
Interesting. I didn't like Nations at all, especially with 2P. Traded it for Alien Deck building Game. Pelo looks nice and breezy.
I got a copy through trade last week and just finished learning the game yesterday. I got a feeling this will crack my top 10.
Is there a death spiral in this game? It seems to me that if you get hit by a disaster or a supply phase, you lose stuff, which makes you produce less stuff, which makes you unable to pay for more expensive stuff in the future, which makes all other players at the table run away with the game. I haven't played it, but during the video I haven't seen any mechanism that alleviate the "poor get poorer" issue. Do you find it to be a problem?
the game gives you ample time to prepare for disasters, they never sneak up on you. and you can survive losing tiles or what have you if you've strategized to no longer need them being stronger in other areas :)
@@rahdo great! I have ordered this game, I just cannot NOT try out a game in your top 10 ;). Thank you for the answer!
@@bushibayushi what did you think of it?
Which do you prefer...Peloponnes or Keyflower?
I'm honestly shocked this game doesn't get more attention. For anyone that's looking to teach someone a next step after Catan this is an excellent pick and I've had lots of success with it in that context. Learning three more keystones of modern euro game design (auction, universal events and feeding) is easy to understand in to in Peloponnes and I feel the game is no more complex than Catan.
PS - this review is still great Richard it's not nearly as bad as your top10 made it seem (I had to come back and rewatch it after your comments lol).
+Alex M you're very kind! :)
+rahdo not kind I know how difficult it is to play and narrate games - I've tried recording a few myself inspired by your series but ehhh dunno!
Question though if you have a moment; do you have all the expansions contained in the Peloponnes Box expansion? Any plans on trying all the modules with the base? I'm really wondering how you rank them all together. I read a post you made on the geek a while back but at that point you still had yet to try them all iirc.
+Alex M yes, everything fits easily in the base box. i did to a 'super runthrough' with every module in the game turned on a few months ago as a live streamed show :)
+rahdo oh I totally missed that! :\ Yours too prolific I can't keep up
Your luxury goods token should start on 0 and not 1. It can be easily overlooked, since all of the other resource/population grids/tables have the 0 space built inside the grid as the first space, but there was not room for the luxury goods to have that option.
Horace Watkins noted... thanks
Love it. I took lots of notes.
The auction bidding so great, fast and risky if you bid too low. The loan system is so cool and elegant!
Funny video too :)
reprint(3rd edition coming soon, so glad to see this and hoping an expansion will come out soon.
which expansion included the D deck?
Rich.. Two questions, do u think this game will play much better with more than 2? And which of the expansions is Jen's n yours favorite? Cheers.
smoothcriminal28 i think pelo works great with any player count, actually. here's a response i gave awhile ago about how we value the different expansions: www.boardgamegeek.com/video/15870?commentid=4742545#comment4742545 :)
expect it tomorrow.
Just figured it out The Hellas Expansion adds one more round (D) to the game,
This seems like a simplified Suburbia (with bidding). Do you agree? What do you prefer?
Interesting! I'd never considered that before, but I guess there's some truth to that statement. Peloponnes is ALL about the auction though - at it's heart its an auction game. Suburbia has a tile draft, but that's not really the core of the game - that's what the spacial puzzle building is.
Love them both to bits, but I think we prefer Peloponnes a bit more, as it's a bit more clean and elegant
How about this compare to GOA ??
we like this a lot more than goa. the auction system is much better for 2p, and there's no restrictive tech tree, so games feel like they play much more differently, plus it's quicker.
goa is great, but peloponnes is sublime, in our opinion :)
Haven't played this version yet, but after several plays of the card game I think I'll pass on this. Both are great games, but the card game to me is much more streamlined and elegant; feels like an evolution of its big brother.
What big brother?
I guess, the big brother would be the game shown here, while the small brother would be Peloponnes The Card Game.
Sort of advanced civilization the card game, sounds great! Like the intertwined mechanism s.
so you still think this is the best auction game?
To my tastes it is! :-)