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  • @VeiledShotSWU
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  • @ossunnix
    @ossunnix 4 дня назад +33

    The issue is the fact that Han can defeat the stolen resource. The tech DJ combo is fine in other decks, it’s just the fact that Han can defeat the stolen resource, which turns the combo from a tempo combo to an absolute game breaking combo.

    • @ossunnix
      @ossunnix 4 дня назад +12

      I think the best move is to make a rule change to where resources not owned can not be defeated

  • @HaronLudetsky
    @HaronLudetsky 2 дня назад +6

    nah, there is no need to ban Han, there is just too many players playing that deck because of that funny combo with dj and tech, and that is good, maybe Palpatine players are little bitter because of this and rest of us are just fine :D

  • @fruchtfleischfil9214
    @fruchtfleischfil9214 3 дня назад +6

    I think if they feel the need to move on Han, then just errata him to say, that you have to destroy a resource of your own, not a Stolen one

  • @therealstefanb
    @therealstefanb 3 дня назад +7

    I think a ban would be extreme, an errata to Han or to tech would fix things quite nicely

  • @Brigmz
    @Brigmz 3 дня назад +7

    Instead of banning or changing a particular card wouldn't it just be easier to do a roles update starting "you can't stack smuggle effects. If a card already has the smuggle keyword you can't add more smuggle to it. Honestly it feels like that is how it SHOULD have been from the beginning.

    • @franciscoojeda2063
      @franciscoojeda2063 3 дня назад

      This

    • @zandhoeg
      @zandhoeg 3 дня назад

      Exactly.
      Making a unit that do not have Smuggle be able to Smuggle is what the Tech text says.
      If it would change another unit w Smuggle it would/SHOULD be worded differently.

  • @hidden-assets
    @hidden-assets 3 дня назад +1

    I think the problem is DJ. Han is a fun but not broken leader otherwise. Playing a big unit early is fun and is basically what Han is supposed to do. Stealing a resource and making it harder for the opponent to deploy their leader is not fun.

  • @madquest8
    @madquest8 3 дня назад +12

    Ban Bossk Green, Cad Red and Jango space, and Darksaber... and everything else that I can't win against. Thanks!

  • @rebelresource
    @rebelresource 3 дня назад +1

    It’s not just tech DJ. If you know you know. Ian (Lego pizza) won back to back PQs with Han green. He is an amazing player but he fully knows Han feels so good. It’s just an insane effect in any game with resources.

  • @mosest3144
    @mosest3144 3 дня назад +5

    I support FFG so far as they are not hiding from their mistakes but so far addressing them.
    I am well aware of the history of FFG, at this this time around they are front and centre when issues cone about.
    As long as they continue in their ways, they will have my backing.

  • @Jason-uf8uv
    @Jason-uf8uv 3 дня назад +1

    I like the rule update " You can not give a card smuggle that already has smuggle". Simple, low impact, and keep this from happening again in the future. Continuing to ban leaders will grow tiresome. Love the videos as always, Thank you!

  • @jikkithesneaky
    @jikkithesneaky 3 дня назад +1

    All they have to do is add a rule saying units with smuggle, can't gain smuggle

  • @cwoods_unlimited
    @cwoods_unlimited 3 дня назад

    You have to look at what he does with his ability and how it is indeed similar to Boba. They both cheat resources which is one of the most powerful things you can do in the game. Having more resources than your opponent can put you at a real advantage. But on top of cheating resources, with DJ and Tech, he can also steal and defeat an opponent’s resource which they will never get back, and that’s crazy. Slowing you down permanently while ramping themselves up is pretty unfair. I think a suspension would be warranted with his numbers as high as they are currently and those will probably only get higher before set 4.
    If there is no suspension and he ends up being OP in set 4 as well, because like you said, his ability is powerful no matter what set you play him in, then he could ruin the fun for what looks like a super exciting new set. That could hurt the “fun level” for the players playing against him and could ultimately hurt the state of the game if people don’t want to play against Han anymore just like they didn’t want to play against boba anymore and were quitting because of it.

  • @Schlagathor78
    @Schlagathor78 4 дня назад +15

    Easy no ban. Boba had a significantly better win rate and WAY better top 8 percentage.
    Sounds like people stink at adding scanning officers to their decks

    • @dennys121
      @dennys121 4 дня назад

      Or, don't play green...

    • @Schlagathor78
      @Schlagathor78 4 дня назад

      @dennys121 out of aspect officer is still plenty good tempo

    • @davidwilliford3079
      @davidwilliford3079 3 дня назад

      Get good

    • @Schlagathor78
      @Schlagathor78 3 дня назад

      @@davidwilliford3079 facts

    • @SirMesmer
      @SirMesmer 3 дня назад +1

      ​@@Schlagathor78 out of aspect Officer is not good tempo. You need 4 resources to play that. sure you will block Han in turn 3, but in turn 4 he still can add resource 6, deploy and go to 7 resource. Even if you play scanning, you will have 1 available resource, he will have 4 in scenario where you were able to hit 3 cards with smuggle. It's a tempo advantage only if you can play it for 2 and you hit 3 cards with smuggle.

  • @zenapoc
    @zenapoc 3 дня назад +4

    Cunning Han1 definitely takes a lot of skill and mental gymnastics to pilot well, so it's no surprise that Cunning Han1 decks do very well (powerful deck + skilled pilot). There are ways around the Tech + DJ combo as long as you are aware of what's coming and when. Even an unfavored matchup like agro can navigate that combo if you know what you're doing. I find that Cunning (event) is much more problematic as one of the most powerful tempo plays in the game. However, I never feel like I can't beat this deck like the days when Boba Green with armor + OB was everywhere. That matchup felt absolutely horrible.
    One point of contention that FFG needs to clarify is how the DJ stolen resource can be played around with. I had a match where my opponent DJ'd me and stole a readied resource. I declared an attack on DJ to kill the unit, so my opponent exhausted my resource and readied one of his, and returned my resource exhausted. This is a direct result of ruling 7.4:
    "The number of ready and exhausted resources in a player’s resource zone is public information. The order of those resources does not need to be maintained; a player may rearrange their resources at any time, so long as the number of ready and exhausted resources is the same after rearrangement as prior to rearrangement. A player may rearrange their resources after another player declares their intent to interact with those resources."
    There was a lively judge debate, but it was ultimately declared a legal play, but really borderline because he changed the order after I had declared the attack. It was majority leaning that the play was not in the spirit of the rule, but without further clarification, it was allowed.

    • @ArchDLuxe
      @ArchDLuxe 3 дня назад

      Doesn't this ruling ensure minimal effect of Scanning Officer (unless your opponent is stroking out)?

    • @ArchDLuxe
      @ArchDLuxe 3 дня назад

      As I read it, "a player" includes you (1.4.1). Since ownership of the resource returned by DJ is open information, aren't you also allowed to "rearrange" your resources as well? As the active player you should be allowed to chose who rearranges them last. 1.7.4 is a terrible rule.

  • @BRBTim
    @BRBTim 3 дня назад +1

    As a Han Yellow player I would obviously prefer not to see a ban. However, from early playtesting Han Green in set 4 seems really strong. I think the decent compromise could be a change to the rules rather than a suspension. I think if you changed the rules so that you can only destroy your own resource, then it reigns Han (and in particular Han Yellow) in a bit and that may be enough. You would still get the temporary boost from stealing a resource, making it worthwhile, but your opponent would get it back at whatever point they killed DJ.

  • @WhiskeyjackZA
    @WhiskeyjackZA 3 дня назад

    Just take into consideration that Set 2 had a lot less PQs and viable leaders. With the current amount of PQs it will be difficult to reach those percentages (but raw numbers is a lot) and if he does come even with 5-10% he is even more broken.
    One thing people underestimate in this game as how much the action mechanic impact on design and how important that makes playing units with the right numbers (to stick or remove opponents unit). This is also related to Han's inbuild ramp with little tempo loss - he can cheat in the right body that disrupt whole strategies, keywords and mechanics.
    DJ is the current problem and can be banned. But I can see another body with ability that would normally have a counter create a similar problem with Han cheating it in - before most decks can reply. Or even a series of bodies 2-3 ahead of curve...
    Sabine - biggest problem is I don't see how you ever play another aggro leader unless they print something more broken than 1 damage a turn guaranteed, 4 deploy and with all her support...she like Boba prevents a lot of other aggro from being played / tried.

  • @sn0ggrriss
    @sn0ggrriss 3 дня назад +1

    Do like Flesh n Blood and retire a leader. Keep meta fresh

  • @GP-sz8mj
    @GP-sz8mj 4 дня назад +6

    Banning any card should be an absolute worst case scenario, last resort no other option and even then I don’t think it’s usually a good idea, it also reinforces the people who complain about meta and other things that make a tcg actually competitive that they can just baby rage about whatever card they lost to last is “unfair” and should be banned instead of adapting and getting better at the game,
    It’s also unhealthy for those who just want to play and have the deck they have been working on for x amount time just gone.

    • @VeiledShotSWU
      @VeiledShotSWU  4 дня назад +1

      Banning should definitely be worst case.

  • @Pastromi93
    @Pastromi93 4 дня назад +12

    I think just errata and make it so Han can only blow up his own resources and make it so tech can’t give another card smuggle if it already has smuggle (not my ideas)

    • @86Disab
      @86Disab 4 дня назад +3

      Errata sucks... especially when you have several cards errata'd. Just change rules around smuggle and tech interaction. Cards with smuggle cannot gain smuggle again. Same for other effects too would probably be fine.

    • @HaviccB
      @HaviccB 4 дня назад

      Yep 100% completely fixed with this

  • @channingjones
    @channingjones 3 дня назад

    I think instead of banning Han1 there should be a cheap counter-card against DJ. Like a 1-cost shielded unit (1/4 colorless), that prevents your resources being stolen while it is in play.

  • @donbuhl83
    @donbuhl83 2 дня назад

    You could just suspend dj. And then han is fine. The leader isnt an issue like the boba rainbow problem where the issue is the leader itself, han as a leader isn't really the issue since a han Rainbow isn't dominating. Take the dj combo out and han shifts slightly still a great leader, but no longer able to gain huge tempo swings like he does with the dj combo. Just look at han games where the dj combo does not happen.

  • @connordirks
    @connordirks 2 дня назад

    Ban Han, then you have to ban Sabine, then you have to ban the next best leader…it’s a slippery slope. Han is so difficult to pilot too, and his stats are not nearly as busted as Boba and he doesn’t have a card that makes him nearly unkillable (ala Boba’s Armor)

  • @generalvos344
    @generalvos344 3 дня назад

    LMAO if resource scamming is game breaking then Admiral Piett would like a word 😂

  • @mikeT1100
    @mikeT1100 3 дня назад

    They just need to errata Han to defeat a resource you "own"

  • @86Disab
    @86Disab 4 дня назад

    Swu is just such a fast-paced game. Tempo and aggro will always be strong. Add in a way to ramp or slow down your opponent's resources and you heavily tilt the game in your favor if you can answer on the advantage you create. Seems very difficult to come back because of the action economy.

  • @coreyfrady3301
    @coreyfrady3301 3 дня назад

    Unfortunately what I ran into in the pq I just played in could have boiled down to just a bad judge call in my instance but players not keeping the resources neat enough for your opponent keeping up with your plays I had to remind him multiple times times about defeating the resources and reminding him when he used zorii bliss to pitch the card at end of turn then I lost my game due to him not defeating his resources like he was supposed to and him nor the judge could explain to me how he had the same resources as me when I had ramped two extra resources On the previous turn. So I think truly the problem being it puts some extra really annoying elements to the game you don’t have to deal with against other decks so that being said I don’t think tech or dj is the problem.

  • @Slkt12
    @Slkt12 3 дня назад

    Funny how Han 1 TT was won by the same guy, Han1 Green and blue is good but beatable, and Han1 Cunning is dependent on Cunning, Tech and DJ is easy to play around

  • @yannickg9733
    @yannickg9733 3 дня назад

    PQ Durham gave a graphic about all the 111 participants. 2 Sabine top 8 yes but 17% of the deck at start. 12% Han1 at start but none in top 8 : that can be an accident. But my point is, you can't analyze top 8 and winner stats without having the stats of decks starting a tournament. And I have not even talk of the fact that "meta" decks are usually mostly played by experienced players.

  • @zandhoeg
    @zandhoeg 3 дня назад

    To let Tech give (and in case of DJ, change) Smuggle to a unit that already have smuggle is dumb.
    Feels like the intention w Tech is to give other units that do not have Smuggle the ability to Smuggle.
    Not to make expensive Smuggle units Smuggle for cheaper. Then the wording would have been something else.

  • @gabrieltredo6080
    @gabrieltredo6080 3 дня назад

    The problem is Rebels synergy and Yellow aggro cards. Dont you guys see it !!!!!!? 😤😤😤😤

  • @krisune
    @krisune 4 дня назад

    Just errata DJ so he only steals using his own smuggle ability. Deck is still playable and won’t have the early turn blowout possibility

  • @thergaming168
    @thergaming168 4 дня назад +3

    ahahahah, as I was saying in a previous video! Han is the new Boba, banning altogether is a can of worms.... and the possible counter to Han might be the unbanning of Boba! The best out of all of it is wondering what the pitchfork people will ask to ban next, after Han gets the axe.

    • @OsmiumBlaze
      @OsmiumBlaze 4 дня назад

      New Boba, and then new Han, and they'll keep printing new Han's and Boba's to ban :)

    • @GP-sz8mj
      @GP-sz8mj 4 дня назад +2

      It’s a really bad trend to set banning things

    • @VeiledShotSWU
      @VeiledShotSWU  4 дня назад +1

      Not quite to the same degree in versatility, but reaching there in terms of numbers.

  • @blackopstk
    @blackopstk 2 дня назад

    Han shouldnt be suspended, if he does then so does sabine.

  • @zd-1249
    @zd-1249 4 дня назад +5

    This entire situation calls into question FFG’s ability to playtest their game. I get that things slip under the radar sometimes, but the fact that we have seen a meta warping deck get hit, only for another to take it’s place in the span of less than a year is not a good look for FFG. I really hope that they don’t decide the solution is to simply ban whatever the current top deck is. Unless they are trying to kill this game just like the others.

    • @dennys121
      @dennys121 4 дня назад +2

      they supposedly tested the game for 3 years LOL

    • @madquest8
      @madquest8 3 дня назад

      LOL Old 1e Xwing player here... FFG DO NOT playtest anything, you are the playtester. They leave it to the customer.

    • @dennys121
      @dennys121 2 дня назад

      @ it’s called gamma testing, where the customers buy something that in the long run won’t be what they paid for.

  • @86Disab
    @86Disab 4 дня назад

    Stealing resources sucks... Hearthstone had thst effect as well recently and they nerfed it about 3 times, because it was the same garbage, a deck that could ramp and also steap an opponents resources just got ahead too fast and the play experience was awful. Theres no counter to this type of play which just always feels bad, even in a mirror.

  • @rotaryrotary4227
    @rotaryrotary4227 4 дня назад +3

    I don’t know if banning is always the best option. Hyper competitive people will always flock to the flavor of the month. That’s all Han is right now. My main deck is chancellor palpatine, but I’m building a Han deck to mess with my brother. He mains a blue/green palpatine with tons of ramp. Han/dj seems like a lot of fun to finally counter him a bit. Hopefully they find another way. Not all of us are top tier meta gamers.

    • @JK-mp1mg
      @JK-mp1mg 4 дня назад

      Palp tends to out ramp the DJ combo and goes over the top of you. It may not work out the way you expect unless you can apply some early pressure to Palpatine.

    • @rotaryrotary4227
      @rotaryrotary4227 4 дня назад

      @@JK-mp1mgyeah I think it will put ramp me. We have our main decks but we always rotate side decks. I don’t think he’s ever gone against Han/dj. The surprise is what I’m looking for.

  • @crazykev1985
    @crazykev1985 4 дня назад

    We will find out possibly this week about set rotation when we get the live stream. I wouldn't be surprised if they rotate set 1 out when set 4 drops. We shall see although i wouldn't wager on being right lol.

    • @HaviccB
      @HaviccB 3 дня назад +1

      That would be the death of their game...people spent so much time and money getting their hands on set 1, a good chunk of them in only November and December only to rotate the out in March..I think I'd quit along with them and I've been in day 1

    • @davidwilliford3079
      @davidwilliford3079 3 дня назад +1

      Rotation in every other game that has a standard rotation happens around the 7/8 set. What are y’all talking about? There’s a lack of understanding of how “rotation” works in TCGs.

  • @TheRobo101
    @TheRobo101 3 дня назад

    Really dont think han needs to be banned just ruling on dj needs to be changed lol

  • @juanbonilla1006
    @juanbonilla1006 3 дня назад

    This game was definitely not playtested for 3 years. Boba’s ability and design is a testament to that.

  • @justinschmelzel8806
    @justinschmelzel8806 4 дня назад

    Just restrict han and dj. That's it.

  • @70rickterscale
    @70rickterscale 4 дня назад

    I think the problem lies in the Tec/DJ combo. I think simply remove DJ from the equation and those win numbers goes down 10-12%. I think they didnt realize how powerful DJs effect would be. Resource manipulation is extremely powerful and add Hans effect to the equation and you have a problem. However, when you pull of the combo its a great feeling lol. I just don't think banning leaders is the answer. Ppl will always find the way to do the most broken things…just the way tcgs go

  • @dennys121
    @dennys121 4 дня назад +2

    Give me a break. I can't think of anything dumber in this game than banning a leader on the heels of a new set release. Every time I see crap like this all I can think is, they playtested this game for 3 years.... And then I can't stop laughing.

  • @joshdoe7288
    @joshdoe7288 4 дня назад +1

    I do hope so.

  • @giorgos345able
    @giorgos345able 3 дня назад

    Stop bitching about leaders and learn how to play around them. Don't let the game become like one of Bandai's failures.

  • @LouisJennings-Melrose
    @LouisJennings-Melrose 3 дня назад

    It’s sad to see the community complain so much about 1 mechanic when there’s several ways around it (removal, bounce, outramp). Literally draw a card like takedown or waylay and save it for DJ to counter the resource steal and you’re golden. It’s really not that hard. If the creators resort to continuous banning of leaders that are winning, this game is going downhill fast. Pathetic really that the community is so keen on getting mechanics banned or changed. Also, this video is nothing but a ragebait - Do better.

  • @fimy3268
    @fimy3268 3 дня назад

    :0

  • @stawickyrs9233
    @stawickyrs9233 4 дня назад

    Also doesn’t help 3/4 decks that are just blatantly unfun to play against are yellow. Like jfc even Bandai yellow decks arent this oppressive

  • @JK-mp1mg
    @JK-mp1mg 4 дня назад

    I still standby that FFG shouldve banned Han and Sabine when they hit Boba. Really shake up the meta and knock out all the pillars.

    • @JK-mp1mg
      @JK-mp1mg 4 дня назад

      I forgot Palpatine, hit him too.
      Alternatively, have a rotation that only hits leaders.

    • @aceassin9934
      @aceassin9934 4 дня назад

      Just ban every leader then.

  • @yenneferofvengerberg4936
    @yenneferofvengerberg4936 4 дня назад +2

    Why not just ban or limit dj ? Ban Sabine first she’s way more braindead and ez to play

    • @VeiledShotSWU
      @VeiledShotSWU  4 дня назад +1

      Well FFG said with the last banning they believe there will be future cases in which that leader will still become a problem, so by their logic they'd probably just ban the leader.

    • @GP-sz8mj
      @GP-sz8mj 3 дня назад +1

      This attitude is exactly why bans are bad in general lol