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Formal education isn't for everyone--Thomas Sowell
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- Опубликовано: 18 июн 2010
- Excerpted from the Diane Rehm Radio Talk Show, Jan 13, 1993
Dr. Sowell discussed his new book about the failures of the U.S. education system, "Inside American Education". He stated that many education systems in the U.S. do not allow for different views and new ways of educating. Full interview available at the c-span video library.
"A person can no more be trained into a thinker by lecturing to him than he can into a gymnast." - Simon Newcomb
Sowell has a gift to make it painfully clear he's right.
LoL ... I couldn't agree more with your assessment!
Yeah he has a wonderful way of cutting to the chase
I've said it before, but I'll say it again: I think he may be the wisest on the planet. The tragedy, though, is look at how long ago his appearance on that radio show was. He and others have been making these arguments for generations, but things have just gotten worse.
That is an absolutely brilliant way of putting it. Listen to the piercing intellect of Thomas Sowell for a minute or two, and you are persuaded that Sowell is plainly right. Not only that, but you wonder how anybody could disagree with him. And why didn't we all see Sowell's point years ago, because the power of his sheer wisdom is overwhelming. Christopher Hitchens had a similar ability.
While mental midgets like Joe Biden struggle to articulate anything at all. And I mean Joe 40 years ago, when Joe was in his prime he hardly made any sense, not now when Joe is a demented old fool who trips over his own shadow as he utters "God save the Queen."
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. - Ecclesiastes 10:2
"I like to think well of myself and I like dancing, but I'm not very good at it. That doesn't mean ballet schools should change their standards for me"- Thomas Sowell
got em good
"There are requirements in the world."
+Don Sums it all up, doesn't it?
+Don Meritocracy all the way!
... does not exist.
There is more than one way to meet them ... and not all of them are necessary. Credentials my ass.
There is a pink rubberduck in this world.
This man is an absolute genius in every video I've see him in.
everything i post on my facebook account is from him and larry elder, ESPECIALLY if it has to do with race issues. only one of my liberal friends dared to say something once, until i pointed out thomas sowell was actually black. i added he grew up poor and was born in the segregated south. the lib has never said anything else.
Absolutely brilliant. It's a real shame and borderline criminal this man isn't more mainstream.
Agreed! And to think his videos just started showing up in my RUclips feed a few weeks ago.
I'm a 23 year school administrator and he is absolutely correct. I am surrounded by administrators and teachers who want kids to feel good about being mediocre. We once had a policy called ZAP - zeros aren't permissible. It's all messed up. I have just a few years to go.
Jeez, you sound like me. I have three years to go.
Yep, that is a problem. Hang on to your love for excellence. Fight for it any way you can, any chance you get. Cowardice is common, courage is rare.
School is not meant to be fun. It’s work. Message got lost
@@LS-td3no I served in the Army in the ranger bat. We had the highest standards in the military. What we learned translated to all parts of life. People can and will rise to higher and tougher standards, and if you lower standards they will drop down to them. My kids attended one of the top magnet programs in the nation. It was tough to get in, it was tough to stay in. My daughters graduating class of 104 students received more scholarship dollars than the other 6 regular high schools and the faux private schools combined. Average ACT score was 32. My son is a sophomore this year and his schedule is AP US History, adv English lit, Calculus, Adv Chemistry, German 4, AP Human Geography, and Health. We hurt students with low standards, we hurt them when we pass them without meeting course standards.
The entire public sector in a nutshell....
"It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong."
Thomas Sowell.
I'd like to add, "who pay no price for being wrong or intentionally misleading or manipulate the facts for their own gain or power." Which is what we see today in the democrat party. They are beyond accountability with the leftwing media operating as it does.
well thats a fail..public sector workers can still be fired, are still managed by performance, and their leaders are voted in by the public. So at the end fo the day if a public service fails....its the fault of the public. As they are essentially the shareholders who hired the execs.
Did he mean Bankers, hedge funds managers, and wall street wealthy people who failed the economy in 2008 and instead of paying a price for this they gave t themselves big bonuses?
@@knucklehead4233 well said
@@dsgio7254 ruclips.net/video/5GoAGuTIbVY/видео.html Politicians are the reason for the collapse in 2008. Giving out loans left and right(IN ORDER TO GET VOTES)to many who would never pay them back. Ultimately the taxpayers were forced to pay the loans instead.
"You have the dregs of the academic world becoming teachers." Yes!!!
So savage... just so so savage
Well, I guess that is more true maybe in some states than in others?
straight to the point without any mumbling.
He has an unparalleled talent for stating the blindingly obvious. Only, It WASN'T obvious until he pointed it out! THIS man is the Isaac Newton of clear thinking and so-called "common sense," which is actually very uncommon. I must buy a few of his books, and so should you.
Your first two sentences are a spot on summation of the knowledge I have gathered from him. I couldn't have said it better! And yes, I MUST begin reading him!
You may watch his videos on Uncommon knowledge with Peter Robinson from Hoover Institution.
They talk about his books.
You will get this on RUclips, full Episodes.
I remember when I was in elementary school back in the late 80's. One particular student couldn't multiply small numbers.He would cry when he couldn't answer the questions. Our teacher, Ms Pepa, God rest her soul, she would pick him to answer the questions everyday, anyway. She completely and ruthlessly humiliated him everyday. By the time the school year was up, he was the best math student in our class. Standards, they matter and anything else is a disservice to our kids.
Jesus it was really bad, I remember in 3rd grade, our teacher was horrified to find half of us didn’t memorize our times tables. She made us do drills every damn night. I remember how embarrassing it was for me.
Now she would be written up for bullying. We live in a sad world now.
@part 3 The proof is in the pudding
@part 3 I think the point is, Ms. Pepa acted out of care, not out of abuse. Her job, her purpose was to teach him, and she cared enough to make sure she was going to do her damn best to get him to learn his math. I'll bet the kid KNEW that.
It is a different thing if a teacher 'picks' on a kid to be nasty, and abusive. A kid knows when a teacher cares.
The example in this story shows how adults used to basically be on the same page with learning. As a kid he couldn't go home and whine about being picked on by his teacher. His parents would have just ignored it. These days, unfortunately, everyone has gotten all whiny. Yes, there have been good things about teaching children to speak up if they are abused, but we have also lost our bearings, our common sense, so are losing out on having a lot more teachers like Ms. Pepa, and an educational system that is about teaching, and learning, not indoctrinating.
Good story. Thanks Bo for sharing it.
She should help lunch time like mine did
If I go to the doctor I want a DOCTOR not a person that has become a doctor due to LOWER standards!!
Boy, that is for sure...
One of my favorite sayings. Self esteem without merit creates arrogant idiots. It gets truer with every passing day.
This dude is just spot on.
Hear that? It is the sound of the hammer squarely hitting the nail.
Hah.
I HEAR THAT
Wow. What’s amazing about this clip is that the caller’s opinion is a totally acceptable one in most social settings, but Sowell demands that we look beyond that with incredibly strong logic. Incredible.
Thomas Sowell is a national treasure. I wish more people knew about him.
I have posted most of his videos on my facebook page.
This man is absolutely brilliant. It's a real shame and borderline criminal Mr Sowell isn't more mainstream.
As a teacher who finds himself constantly constrained by this touchy feely education culture, I agree with T.S. almost entirely (I was educated in Portugal and now teach in the UK).
The only issue is that parents exert enormous pressure. If their kids aren't smart enough for exams, then eliminate the exams. If they can't focus enough to read, then lets play games. And so on. Parents are at least as guilty as teachers, educationalists and meddling politicians.
I feel this man , My brother and I would come home everyday at no one time where my mom would feed us lunchand ask questions about what we were learning, Now the government does that job with the free lunch programsand the mothers if not holding a job can get their nails done using EBT cards.I grew up in the welfare system and have no plans of going back thanks to the teachers of my day.
good job on getting out of the welfare system. modern day slavery in my opinion
I too grew up on welfare in the projects after my dad died when I was 6.My mother made sure that all six of us children take advantage of the education system we had in the 60s and 70s.All six of us have lived the American dream and so have almost all our children because we stressed how important education is to them and helped them when needed.The older I got the more thankful I was for having a mother who didn't let us make excuses because a subject was somewhat difficult.My mom only collected welfare until my younger brother graduated high school and she immediately entered the work force.I miss that woman so much.
Thomas Sowell is a genius! The problem is that the majority of people can't cope mentally at his level.
“I’m a very bright person”... oh the humility
They do what they please regardless of the outcome. The auto industry started to fail when the Japanese manufactured cars that meet the outcome consumers wanted. Schools need to meet the outcomes required by society.
" A child from India has no advantage over an adult from America." " In general, I found that at the end of their 1st year of university, math majors in the US are equivalent to high school graduates in India in terms of math study. This emphasis on maths in high schools and engineering programs is also the reason why India produces so many "good" software engineers. The analytical thinking taught by mathematics is exactly what is required for software development."-Sumit Gupta
Totally agree mate.
I took up a degree in Photography and digital imaging, after talking to the teacher for 3 hours to find out exactly what i'd be learning.(he lied completley) A year and a half later i dropped out because i had learned nothing at all new, both teachers were useless as hell. With regard to photoshop etc i was the one teaching them! With regards to photography they only taught basic physics about light and colour which anyone who got through high school should already know, and as far as learning technique! We were just given assignment after assignment that were graded with little or no feedback as to why.
Decided at that point to pass up academic traps and schools. To teach myself anything that i wanted to learn. At least that way you get reliable help.
Books, Google etc have been loads more informative and useful than my college teachers ever were. Be an autodidact, that way you dont get stuck to someones curriculum and can explore multiple aspects of the same topic from multiple sources, not just reading through an out of date poorly written textbooks
We've barely scratched the surface of true knowledge in my opinion. I think the term for the condition of that feeling, of knowledge or that we are superior to our own past selves is called "the end of history illusion."
I think it applies to society on the whole not just individuals. We see we have come quite far society wise and therefore think most of the journey is over, that we're most of the way there somehow (admitting otehrwise would bruise our fragile ego's) Where as in reality we're still very much ignorant on how the world works, how the universe works and so much more.
But the good news is being stupid is the perfect place to start for getting smarter, smart people tend to think they dont need to learn any more because they are smart enough already.
@@garethjones3227 As others have stated, "Humility is a good place to start from." Or, always remember to be humble...
That is so depressing to hear about college. Around here the photography shop offers specialty classes from actual photographers.
Dr. Sowell got better and better with age! Amazing man, philosopher and educator who came from humble beginnings!
Dr.Sowell is absolutely right I was one of those underachievers but, sooner or later you gotta look in the mirror.
Yup, I was a total loser in H.S. then I graduated functional illiterate. I realized I made a huge mistake flunked the entrance exam for the community college and had to take the basic skills course.
In elementary school I learned quickly that I was too lazy to get the big end-of-year awards, so I did poorly at the beginning of the year on purpose so that I could get the “most improved” award at the end of the year with only average effort. lol
Over the last 4 years, while in graduate school, I've come to a very hard and difficult realization. That I'm a libertarian.
As a TA in both physics and chemistry, I see so many students who shouldn't really be there. A great deal of these students barly pass because of the curve. Maybe only 6-7% of the class are hardworkers that will excel in almost any area they ecounter.
What's even worse is that so many students drop out or pursue degrees that are less demanding.
Spot on!! I was a TA for a 101-level course that looked at history through the growth of the city (I was a grad student in urban planning). I TA'd three courses and 80% of my students were C average or below (mainly C's); 15% were B students and 5% were A students. This was consistent in all three classes, in both of the semesters that I TA'd. It really saddened me that most of my students wouldn't make the effort to do any better.
Same thing at work. Jordan Peterson introduced me to the Pareto Principle in one of his videos, where 20% of a company does 50% of the work and 80% does the remaining 50%. That's certainly been my experience as well. I guess that's just how life is.
@@josephryan9230 I'm a college professor now. The situation has only exacerbated more.
@@ErwinSchrodinger64 Sorry to hear that.
Amen! Having endured with great suffering a slough of such warm and fuzzy classes I applaud his courage and insight!
Time spent in a brick and mortar classroom may NOT be well invested. I have formally "educated" grandchildren pitching freight and hustling fast food for a paycheck. About 70% of Americans with a degree work outside their field of study. When I see people in their 40's still paying on college loans I shake my head.
Thomas Sowell is an American Treasure. Great man.
Saddest aspect of the malaise we find ourselves in is that a generation do not recognise who has betrayed them and bar a handful likely never will.
I'm an autodidact and what the first person I think was eluding to was being taught hands on as opposed to by a book. I, of course use books to teach myself as well as hands on as part of becoming learned in any endeavor. I also use the trained engineers Mr. Sowell speaks of when needed. I think the conclusion can only be that we need Mr. Sowell's academia as well as the self taught who are the ones that many, many times figure out the less expensive, time saving new methods out of need that is lacking in the academic arena.
I agree with you. I was trying to understand where Thomas was going with his talk. I agree with the woman in the beginning that maybe the way she learns is just different. Everyone does not learn the same, so people have to figure out what works for them. There is nothing wrong with that. I didn't understand how that had anything to do with the whole speech about that schools have requirements.
I’m not american, but I think that formal educators not caring happens everywhere. I went to university for a few years and I saw two kinds of students who did well, those who were very intelligent and studied a lot, and those who cheated. And unfortunately, the second group was very big and the teachers just didn’t care. There was no control whatsoever so it was very easy to cheat, and even if someone was caught cheating, they would just take away their notes and let them continue the exam.
This was a huge problem for us average students who never cheated, because of teachers grading on curves. I personally failed a lot and eventually ended up quitting. Now I’m not the brightest guy so I don’t blame it entirely on them. But I did study a lot and I feel like my hard work was worth less purely because teachers didn’t care and students cheated.
Sharper than a two edged sword. Dr. Sowell, my hero.
"The citizens of the country should be either be treated equal, or come before the foreigner." from the same story: "The Japanese do not deny that they rely heavily on Japanese managers, but they attribute that reliance to cultural considerations, not discrimination. Because the Japanese share a common tradition and approach to doing business, they say, it is simply more efficient and comfortable for them to look to themselves for leadership, at least for now."
Thomas Sowell is a powerful advocate for the truth of meritocracy...which is solely able to lead society to advancement and well being!
I am so impressed with Thomas Sowell. He is clear and accurate, is not telling people what they want to hear.
Finally someone who says it correctly. "Couldn't care less." And not could care less. Get it right people.
The fact Thomas Sowell had to say "there are requirements in the world"😄 is hilarious. This woke culture has people living in a fantasy world.
The majority of the USA has seemed to forgotten that. Well said!
This man is a national treasure.
Such a wise and pragmatic man. I could listen to him speak all day.
Whenever I see Thomas Sowell, I click!
Ahhh such succinct clarity weaved into common sense... Love Professor Sowell
Apprenticeships were an integral part of a time-honored tradition that was killed off during the countercultural revolution of the 1960s and 1970s. Before that time, our culture assigned a fundamental dignity and societal respect to manual work, and it was possible for men to support their families in modest comfort on one repairman's or factory worker's wage. That way of life, by which our forefathers bequeathed us our present-day standard of living, is gone now --- and it's not coming back.
I love this man.
Every time I hear this guy speak, it’s crystal clear common sense that comes flowing forth! Sowell is an American hero! In a sane world Thomas Sowell would have been the first black US President!
That would give every Leftist a heart attack.
I had a professor once who taught cultural anthropology who said in class that, “someone has to make my burgers,” as a means to gate keep people from education. It was odd to me hearing that coming from that specific professor; given the class we were in.
The problem is that we’ve created a system of oppression. We need a large workforce to keep this oppressive system operating. It literally only benefits a select few to the point we need I think it’s 2.5 earths to keep up with their greed. There are people who are intelligent enough to overcome systemic injustice and the wholesale murder of Gaia. We only use IQ tests to test for what 2 or 3 types of intellects when I think it’s closer to like 36 types (the numbers are from memory so look up the stats if you are interested because it’s a rabbit hole).
Obviously, the difference between wanting to be a dancer and not being good at dancing and wanting to go to university and not being taught in the way you learn best isn’t a perfect analogy. Dancing would be a kind of intelligence and being able to learn from books would be a kind of intelligence. If you have the ability to dance you have the intelligence of agility and fine motor skills. If you don’t have the ability to book learn you could still have so many other kinds of intelligence. But if you can’t dance your life won’t be ruined. If you can’t book learn it will be. If you can’t dance you have options while if you can’t book learn your options to both learn and advance are crippled to the point of disability. That is why we call it a Learning Disability; the person isn’t broken but the system is.
It is not that someone is unable to learn or unable to be intellectual; it is that we’ve decided to sacrifice most people’s potential to keep Capitalism running. It’s not just learning that is a roadblock; it’s cost of learning, it’s mental and physical illness; it’s networking and relationships and cultural biases. We, the actual masses of the world, have to take responsibility to become an educated proletariat. The future of our existence depends on it. I have heard interviews from climate scientists talking about what is coming. One called it “The Great Culling.”
Its not about invading academic work, its that teaching academic subjects is out of date. The basic structure of the education system was conceived in a different age. The subjects people may be good at are barely taught. We should encourage people to find things they excel in. Schools at the moment are not a place to be educated and do well in life. Formal education as it stands is a place to teach people to be university professors in maths, science and English.
That is correct. Education isn’t about feelings or whatever but learning and understanding.
Positive reinforcement does help to motivate people into going to class but actually learning and understanding the subject.
That’s a different topic regardless of how anyone feels
I enjoy reading and listening to many of Dr. Sowell's works. His comment on many teachers evading academic work reminds me of a lot of my experience in university. Many professors were either unwilling and/or incapable of generating or making arguments towards concepts/ideas, etc. They often didn't/wouldn't answer questions, which infuriated me! I later read a blog from a professor at U of Pennsylvania by the name of Mary-Ellen Weimer, stating how this is a brilliant approach to promoting student learning by deliberately not answering questions. In other words, letting students "figure things out" by themselves and answering their own questions.
She actually said that?! My understanding of "figuring it out themselves" is to guide students through the thought-process and let them reach the answers, not completely abandoning them.
Everything Dr. Sowell says here is as true today as when he said it 20 years ago.
Thank you. You are so right, Mr. Sowell.
Trust me. Thomas Sowell will always be the most intelligent man in the room
Went to college from 2006-11 and it fits perfectly on how the non-STEM classes me and other students were forced to take were taught. It is probably 1000 times worse 10+ years later.
As I understand the human condition we need four things from 'formal' education. The four 'R's. Reading, Writing, Arithmetic and Reasoning. All age and aptitude appropriate. Armed with those basics the naturally inquisitive minds (almost universal) will pursue their passions and interests with an organised mind. From that groundwork we can take education one stage higher and offer any proofs of excellence (certificates, licenses, diplomas and degrees) by the exam-only Socratic method. Schools will become learning centres for the self-motivated, the default human. The growing mind learns more from play and peer pressure, informal mentors, experience, etc. than any teacher can provide. Teach them how the human mind works, flaws and all, and get out of their way. Let the proverbial 'village' do what it does best.
I think we need both. Depends on what the subject to be studied is. Teachers are part of the 'village' too.
@@LS-td3no perhaps, but the system outlined above needs only to tap into the thirst for knowledge, the desire for capacity the undamaged human mind craves. It certainly will not be classrooms as a daily grind. As I imagine it the main method will be general and specific both quizzes, and questions. To inspire a love of books and what they contain. As I told my sons, the printed word is a long conversation with someone perhaps more clever than you.
2:40 "What's so ironic..." Indeed.
He spoke speaks still, so much truth the media never calls on him to opine, on current issues e.g. Covid and school opening... effects on our kids.
I half agree with him.
There are many trends in education that while work and help learning, have never surpassed "positivism" (which is the classical way of teaching, you can look that up), but just because "positivism" has some let's say right wing or military connotation, is abhorred by many teachers.
So he is right on that schools never needed to adapt to students, but it is not true that role playing and stuff like that do not work, and are actually good compliments to old school education.
I think he is talking about my 7 grade teacher who showed a film most classes.
Why don't politicians just listen to this man, it would go along way to clearing up the complete mess they've made over the last 20 plus years.
Because what Thomas Sowell states, does not win elections, hence the mess.
Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with all of us. Proverbs 26:28 A lying tongue hates those that are afflicted by it; and a flattering mouth works ruin.
If only the world were to listen to Sowell, we would all be some much happier. We wouldn't FEEL as good about ourselves, but we'd be happier.
Thomas Sowell is a certified genius!
2:53 Brilliant!
@ 2:39 "Well, the phrase is dumbing down". That phrase applies to so much right now that it's ridiculous.
Wow Sowell again offers a succinct clear and lucid analysis on a very important issue, the de-educational system. The lowest part of the class succeeding.. that explains a lot of what is going on today.
" If you don't know the language of the country you're in, you deserve to fail." That's not how Americans feel about that. In a story dated June 3, 1991 in the N.Y. Times titled " Americans Complain of Bias By Japanese Bosses in U.S." Americans complained of bias by Japanese managers against American managers for better jobs. The story cites several instances.
So true. Words of wisdom.
Love Mr Sowell's clarity and honesty.
I have a good friend who grew up in Chihuahua. I met him about 10yrs ago. He was here long enough to be fluent in english when I met him, and now it's even better. He was not raised in this country or culture, but I would gladly put him in a room full of Americans raised here, and in the same line of work, give him an exam on his area of expertise, and watch him not only hold his own, but most likely, score the highest in the room. Where he was born, DOES NOT CHANGE HIS LEVEL OF KNOWLEDGE.
I love Thomas Sowell.
Hitting the hammer right on the head of the damned nail! Telling it like it is! Thomas Sowell in the 1980s-90s, Jordan Peterson now, telling us things we knew in our bones back in the 50s and 60s, before the Cultural Revolution turned everybody into morons!
as soon as she said “i’m a very bright person” my mind was made up
Her needs are defined solely in relation to the goal of the class, which is mastery of Chemistry, and a mastery of Chemistry cannot be obtained by ignoring vital parts of the discipline such as everything that doesn't involve playing with test tubes.
That is actually ignoring her needs; and if she claims that she is literally incapable of anything else, then she should not be taking the course.
I feel like chimp every time I listen to Thomas Sowell speak. The man is a *true* intelligence marvel. Such a shame that he wasn’t America’s first black President
@o13starsnstripes my last reply: tests have always been the best way to find out if you can't do something. If a student fails his exams that means he's probably not suited for what he's studying.
Today, everyone has a diploma (since tests are a joke) and the one who will tell them: you failed! is a company who will not hire them.
To bad they didn't know that 5 years ago. Also many are unemployed and wait for a job in their field.
This man is a giant. It's a shame he isn't a household name in this country yet.
I am subscribed and was wondering if anyone else here knows where i could find a complete version of this particular program?
Thank you Doctor. Very insightful as usual.😊
Wow! This interview was in 1993. Imagine what it's like now?
I agree that people need to learn the subjects, but people learn differently and being mindful of that doesn't hurt it helps. Being a mechanic is very technical work, especially nowadays with all the electronics involved, there are gonna be people that are going to learn better under the hood of a car than in the back of a class with a text book. i excelled in history and social studies because i really loved to watch documentaries, i just retained the information better that way. I read books, but sometimes id have to re-read it once or twice to retain in the information. I retain more from an audiobook than a regular book, but if i am reading it while listening to the audiobook my retention goes even higher. We should never stop striving to find better and more innovative ways for people to learn. As along as we are not avoiding the work, we will be fine.
Truth University Liking documentaries isn't going to make you a history teacher. You have to read, there is no way around it. You're making his point.
Silus
I agree.
I too am a technician and would be in serious trouble if I didn't have strong reading comprehension skills...
> people learn differently
If you want to live, you must learn the rational way.
Sowell is the goat, he is my hero
"I'm a very bright person" haha who is this person?!
She excels in finger painting.
Thank you.
LOL
She is every person who thinks they're smart, but aren't. Common delusion.
A couple of my friends have told me how interesting I am, and how I can talk about anything. (I can talk about a lot of subjects...I skim through things).
One person said I was the smartest person she had met. That's scary, I thought.
I realized, how so many people just haven't had exposure to very bright people who have studied seriously, think very logically, and carefully. I maybe wouldn't have either, but my dad loved history, astronomy, and old cars. He knew how to make things, and built his own professional grade telescopes, and restored antique automobiles. He was good, and polite to every single person he came across in life. He never got one cavity, or one single traffic ticket his whole life.
My brothers were freakin' brainiacs who could skim through school easily getting straight A's. One a math/science major, the other a scholar of ancient history who was an encyclopedia, and knew Hebrew/Arabic/French/German/Urdu/Ugaritic, and of course Cuneiform.
It has taught me to try and think more carefully ((I said, try).
Obviously, we don't all have the same gifts. But, I sure wish more kids would have a more broad exposure to the world of ideas, and thoughtful people who really do care, like Thomas Sowell. Learn to think, challenge, or agree. Meeting people, and hearing them speak in person as much as possible is so beneficial.
Now, with this virus thing even more kids are having a limited world. It is too bad really.
Trade schools are more rewarding for the common man who wants to learn a Trade and raise a Family!👍
I agree. I don't think there is anything wrong with saying that formal education is not for everybody. And I don't think it was ever meant to be for everybody either. I'm not even sure when the idea started that everybody needed a degree.
Because the class already has a primary concern: mastery of Chemistry. The market does not come to bear within the class room, it comes to bare when individuals choose to take classes in order to master Chemistry in the first place. That choice in turn is determined by the functional significance of Chemistry within the economy, and an individuals calculation that he can meet the stringent demands within that discipline, master it, and use it to make a profit.
Now since he was a high school dropout himself and had familial and financial difficulties, he of all people should be mindful of who is "able" or "unable" academically. He went to the military, served in civil service, obtained a GED and was recommended by 2 professors in order to enter into Harvard. So basically, he was in the same position that many young Black men find themselves in the U.S. So he'd do well to not try to slam the door behind him in the face of so many who deserve the same
Dr. Sowell saw the bloated bureaucracy coming decades ago!
such a brilliant man. :)
You nailed it, good sir!
Forensically on point as ever!
Brilliant. I'm always in awe of TS.
That lady caller is one of the most amazing things I've ever heard. How can you pass a class in Chemistry IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND CHEMISTRY???? Her notion is so ignorant and self serving. There is no gray area in math and science. You either get it or you don't.
Your argument is absurd. You can understand a subject in different ways. Cognitive scientists study this. Just because someone doesn't understand chemistry from book learning, DOESN'T MEAN that they won't get it from lab learning or other methods. She is merely saying that people learn differently, and education should give everyone the best possible chance of understanding the subject matter.
@@ishanloomba8335 Then perhaps the lady needed to change schools, till she found one that could teach her in a way she could understand?
Absolutely on the topic. A serious and proper university education is NOT for everyone. The Germans have known this for centuries. The unending plethora of "online" degrees available these days by "accredited universities" churn out diplomas that require no serious intellectual effort. There are generally no minimum requirements to be accepted such as the GRE or GMAT. A police officer friend just finished his "masters" in Criminal Justice from one such school. The police department paid for the degree and he will receive a modest pay increase for it. I saw the work he put in and it was laughable. Even he stated that it was all about "putting down the cash" for the degree and as long as you did the minimum amount of work, you got your degree. There are generally thesis requirements (just short papers and group chats). These degrees are not worth the paper they are written on. The hard sciences/engineering are quite difficult and I have yet to see folks pursue these "online" if they are even offered in that format.
a class is not a soda, it DOES have an objective.
And your last sentence I agree with. So does Sowell. If you don't have the capabilities required for the class, you shouldn't be taking it/paying your money.
Dr Sowell completely understands. It is basic, but sad to say people want to make the solutions so complicated.
Another nail in the coffin of 'Equality'. Nobody is equal to another. All souls may be equal before God, but all souls are not equal to each other, as though we were just leaves on one tree. Firstly, academia should be for those who are gifted academically with the bar of success set accordingly. Secondly, education should be as much about sifting out the different abilities people naturally have (academic or otherwise) and investing in them, rather than presuming from birth that every student needs to be stuffed with the same filling. Basic learning is necessary, of course (reading, writing, computer literacy, etc), but beyond that, the gift of the person should determine their learning. How to discover the individual gift is what we should be focusing on, not making sure everyone falls off the single conveyor belt of education clutching the same certificate.
+Gail Stanbridge What an interesting perspective. It was a pleasure reading this.
"Another nail in the coffin of 'Equality'. Nobody is equal to another." Equality can mean a lot of things.
Beautiful words my dear!
Your argument also should include that not everybody learns at the same speed, some brains take longer to process certain information which does not mean that they are not working properly.
Why should there be efficiency? Is it because what matters is that the fastest I get the product, the faster I can exploit it?
I object to the feeling of superiority that Mr Sowell has which is shared by the people that adore him.
Yeah if you want the degree but your trying to imply someone can't teach themselves a subject of there choosing and then develop there own ideas on the topic!!! Piss off academics arnt the people you believe them to be as they don't challenge the agenda if they want there funding. Those who are been called loons today are the ones who will be proven correct in the future
well said, the women was just in denial that she just isn't smart enough for chemistry. Sowell was right, cleverness comes in all shapes in sizes!
Sowell is an intelligent man. Neither he nor any other serious proponent of free markets thinks that every problem is a nail with the free market being the hammer. Markets operate on powerful but entirely amoral and non-teleological forces. They should be harnessed where useful (as the only known wealth generators apart from new resource discovery), but cannot by themselves tell us what we ought to value. This is something Sowell certainly understands, whether your caricature reflects it or not.
W O W !!!! Dr. Sowell tells it like it is.