so i watched fate the winx saga... *i want wings now*
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DIFFERENCES BETWEEN FATE AND OG WINX CLUB
- “otherworld” was actually supposed to be a different universe entirely, solaria was its own planet
- there were 3 different schools: Red Fountain (Specialists), Cloudtower (Witches)
- musa was a music fairy and not a mind fairy
-there was a 6th fairy (Tecna) who controlled technology
-Aisha was a whole PRINCESS (Andros) and that planet had mermaids
-Bloom is a long lost princess of Domino (a dead planet)
- the fashion was very y2k inspired
-Flora (who was replaced by Terra) was latina coded and the og fairy of nature
-Beatrix was THREE different characters and not fairy. They were witches: Icy (Ice), Stormy (Storm), and Darcy( Darkness)
- The witches’ group name was the Trix
-Riven and Musa were in a relationship
- Each Winx had their own specialist boo
- There 6 main specialists paired with a Winx
- Sky = Bloom, Brandon=Stella, Helia=Flora, Timmy=Tecna, Riven=Musa, and Nabu=Aisha
- Stella was never a bitch, maybe a bit sassy not to the level of her fate counterpart
- Every fairy at Alfea could transform and there different levels of transformation
- Only girls could be fairies and witches
- Only boys were specialists
- Aisha actually wasnt in the 1st season, she was introduced in season 2 (but i’m glad that changed)
Those were the main differences from fate but I really liked the show overall but fate did whitewash musa (asian) and flora (latina) and completely got rid of tecna who was supposed to be coded as autistic representation
The only thing i like better is the fact that anyone can be specialists/fairies and it isn't limited to gender. musa being with sam too because riven is a menace
@@simplyvonnie I agree
This deserves a pin
Such a comprehensive comparative analysis. THANK you and totally agree. I had my gripes about Winx being so centered on Bloom but I prefer that to this and THEY DID AISHA WRONG HERE. She had a kick butt entrance and was way more independent in the show, not sniffing behind Bloom. Made me sick.
I really hope Amanda pins this comment. Wins was so good that I used to wake up at 6am on Saturdays willingly as a kid because that's when 4kidstv had it on for me. Winx was everything and the theme song was absolute bomb.
Aisha was treated horribly, absolutely no plots, NOTHING, she was the black best friend
Not even, she was the last friend
even worse, for the parts i watched (i stopped at episode 2) she was basically reduced to being bloom’s babysitter instead of giving her growth.
And she’s meant to be royalty in the OG what a downgrade
the original winx club was lowkey racist, the apple doesnt fall far from the tree unfortunately
White men should not be allowed to write stories about poc women and their friends
The only characters who don’t have a love interest are the darkskin black girl and plus-size girl...... hmm.....
Like damn we have love lives as well. They try but do the bare minimum
The sad thing is that Aisha has a love interest in the animated series and he even proposes to her. Idk where that character went. It's a stretch, but it'd be nice if they utilized season 2 to give Aisha the development she deserves.
@@TuesdaysArt He got killed in season 4 of the original cartoon. I'm still about it, ten years later.
@@felicityb93 they did her wrong when they killed him off yet everyone still had their love interests especially musa and her toxic relationship like what was the reasonnnnn
@@venus9727 right? completely messed up when they were the cutest couple in the show😒
bloom was the cause of 99% of the problems in the show, yet everyone always instantly forgave her. meanwhile aisha who was trying to keep her friends alive AND ENDED UP BEING RIGHT was shunned for two episodes. the writers are going to hell.
EXACTLY. I was so tired. And then she APOLOGIZED and I was like," for WHAT?!!"
@@saamahlouis-jean5413ikr! and aisha's apology was super in-depth for no reason, like the writers made her list out every reason why she was wrong. meanwhile bloom's apology for bringing literal armageddon to her school was lol "i was a brat my bad🙁" MAKE IT MAKE SENSE
@@ani1830 Like you legit not only let loose not one but TWO murderers who had no plans on reforming themselves but you left them UNATTENDED. Aisha was right, she was being selfish. "I was a brat, sorry lol" does not cover it. No matter how much I sympathize with her.
Not going to watch it🙅🏾♀️🙅🏾♀️🙅🏾♀️
In teen groups this happens a lot. It easier to see you problems from an outsider perceptive and the solution seems simple however when your in it it your whole world or you fall in too deep. Plus people tend to ice out the individual from a group who do not align up with there own thought or codes for friendship, it immature but it happens. Most people are the cause for there own undoing.
My mum always says as parent the hardest thing is to watch me do things wrong or trust people i shouldn’t but she had to watch me fall to learn, and she couldn’t cuddle me because then I’ll make the mistake with not support system to rely on. My point is Aisha is an outsider to the problem and not emotionally involved so to her there’s a simple solution, however that person (bloom) didn’t listen and therefore had to find her own solution to the problem. All her friends were yes man her or looking at the problem from bloom perceptive. So from the group perceptive she the villain. In addition, some people may just apologise to avoid further problem which what I think is what they did here. Hopefully season 2 her character develop a spine.
Netflix put one, ONE black girl in and said "Whew that's enough dIvErSitY for today"
Basically!!
lmfao precisely
And gave her no love interest, made her a workaholic and unlikable with no substance but to move the plot. Oh yeah and everyone’s parents were introduced but hers. Like okayyy
huh, aisha was black in the animation.
@@tessemo okay well musa was also asian in the animation so if you want the show to "follow the animation" well we've already got issues with that
I really hope in season two the writers give Aisha a personality instead of having her just be Bloom’s token friend/mammy
It’s written and produced by a straight white men at this point it gonna happen sadly...
BYE NOT HER MAMMY
I hateddd that! I was like why is Aisha always all up in Bloom's business? Give her her own business and her own story too! Ugh As if her purpose is to be there for Bloom... like she literally saved Bloom's bum multiple times. The mammy role was strong in this one. All the other characters had their own little stories & backgrounds but we didn't get much for Aisha
Laura Pauleus the original cartoon was written by a white possibly straight man and they were able to give Aisha her own storyline. Not sure why a cartoon in the early 2000s is more progressive than a show in 2021.
RIGHT. Aisha was a whole princess with her own problems and morals yet here she just lives for bloom with no backstory at all.
They didnt cast a plus size latina because that would break the sexy bombshell stereotype and they werent ready to give us any dimention besides "exotic"
Also they would have given us a stereotypical rendition of a latina
@@nicoletorres7882 I’d rather that then that whitewashed Greta thunburg look alike
@@onyinyemilia as a latina im tired of it and all they did to make flora “latina” was like um tan like no . it was already stereotypical to begin with making someone tan doesnt make them Hispanic/ latino i rather they just do a well developed storyline for terra and that if we do ever get flora its not a stereotypical hyper sexualized depiction
Nicole Torres Flora is based on Jennifer Lopez which is probably why she has tanned skin
@@nicoletorres7882 as a latina you are either white af, afrolatina, native or just, tan. Im not light enough to be white passing, not dark enough to be afrolatina and not connected to my ancestry to be native, majority of latinos are just "tan" the stereotype is not the skin color, its the oversexualization and if we refrain from putting latina characters on screen because "they will just get oversexualized" or exotified then we are literally never going to break the cycle.
They could have changed the names of all the characters and called the show Fate... and no one would have blinked an eye. They really didn’t have to pretend like this was apart of Winx Club. They could have saved themselves the animosity, lol.
My thoughts exactly!! Like separate it from the winx and just call it fate. It has no correlation to the original winx so there was no reason for them to add winx in the title
Exactly! My thing is, if you're gonna relate a specific show to your own then go all the way or not at all! Or at least make it more accurate! If that's not the case then don't bother!
Yes!!!! They changed a lot of things already! They could have made a show about fairies and that's ok. I don't understand why they added the winx thing.
ya i feel like i and a lot of other people would have been actually able to enjoy it cause it wasnt a BAD show, just so far removed from the original. the nostalgia baiting was not necessary
agree 100% I could have watched it if it didn't have Winx in the title. Also, the fashion in this show is atrocious!! like if they are Winx characters why dress them like grown women, and the colors don't match them at all, like bloom dressed in red just bc she's a fire fairy?? wtf!!
It's so sad bc back in the day it was cool that how ethnically diverse this show was for the 2000s, and they took that out. And it's sad that people who never saw the cartoon don't understand why we r mad. Y do minorities need to beg for representation especially when that was in the source material. And people say well the made "flora" (I know her name is the show is terra but she is flora, or at least her replacement) plus-sized y do u hate plus-sized people. No I love that, that is actually something I'm so happy they changed, but r u telling me there was no hispanic or latinx actors that r plus-sized? And I know everyone has talked about this but I must be said, why are the costumes also bad. Like in the original show they literally had designer brands help design the outfits and now these people look like they're about to go on real housewives. But these actors don't deserve hate for doing their job, tell the executives what's wrong with it.
Completely agree with this! It’s honestly so upsetting. Another thing that really upsets me is the decision to make the show “darker” and explicit. This Netflix adaptation is basically saying that there is something inherently weak about femininity. Which is the opposite of what the show represented. Also I’m really sad about the removal of all the love interests. Especially Helia and Timmy because I like that Helia was in touch with his femininity and Timmy was a good example of the “nerdy” guy trope done well. Also in the original how the male love interests treated the faeries was so sweet and it made me so happy. They literally not only took away the ethnically diversity of the characters but also the diversity of the personality types. They were in no way stereotypical in the original which was so refreshing. I just don’t think they needed to use the winx name if the were not going to keep the things that made it winx. I’m honestly so tired of Netflix doing this.
@@victoriaadaini I'm so glad u pointed this stuff out bc i want to add on to this. I'm not hating on the show bc it's not the original, I think changing the fairies to be any gender, body inclusivity and the dark skin representation r great additions. But the way netflix would be like we will give u this but u have to lose this is ridiculous, and I honestly don't know y the people in charge r almost trying to split the fandom into 2 for no reason for the sake of money.
@@victoriaadaini This!!! The comments from the showrunner *screamed* misogyny, why do we have to get rid of anything femme to deal with mature topics??? Like Solaria looks like Scotland in the dead of winter, the realm of sun, stars and moons, looking like the darkest rainiest part of the world 😀. The sprinkles of homophobia and the really mocking way they make social progressive comments just confirms that. Which is why I have to ask: why does Netflix keep giving these properties to people (men) who hate the source material and what it stands for 🧐
@@braingirl9112 No ur kidding!!! I'm not surprised though 🙄✋🏾
@@victoriaadaini the girls are not masculine in anyway what are you talking about?
No because why would we care that's shes flora's niece WE WANT FLORA!!!
she was literally cast as flora you caan find the orignal press releases, and then they were like oh we fucked up and had to back pedal with a new name even though shes THE EXACT SAME CHARATER LOL
That is some last minute BS they put in to the script to save their asses from having to explain why they cast a white woman (who looks like one of the librarians who used to yell at me in high school) to play Flora. I saw those screenshots of the casting calls. They were casting for the original winx characters, not original characters. And they still don't have an explanation for why a white woman is playing an asian character (and they probably aren't going to). Had no one brought up the whitewashing in this series, I guarantee they wouldn't bothered to write flora in for the next season.
EXACTLYYY
It’s like they don’t realize that if they wanted a plus-size character, she could still be Latina 🙄 it’s not like people are only allowed to have one non-hot-skinny-straight-white-cis trait at a time
@@Hi-ky2wd well yeah duh
Aisha's powers have been downgraded to just water - when she actually controls waves and a substance called Morphix which can be solidified. She's also a princess:D
we dont know if they downgraded her powers, she will probably be able to do more in s2
@@winxwarrior9240 The writing room don't seem to care that much about staying true to the source material. I mean, fingers crossed, but I just don't have much hope.
@@Hi-ky2wd From the moment she set foot on the scene, yep! I feel like they lack respect for the original, hence why they've left so many interesting details (that could have been an actual story for Aisha).
@@Hi-ky2wd You know they didn't just from the colour pallet alone, the vibrancy, brightness all gone.
And I am too, this series is so close to our hearts for a reason but I'm just being realistic given Netflix's record on popular franchises. If they bring Nabu (and don't kill him off) they'll get an C+ from me easy. Let's wait and see 🧐
Shes a princess?
As a gay I would like to say that the original girls outfits were hot as fuck and from what I've the seen the reboot did not do them justice. They better act right before I go loot a target
Honestly!!! And they had so much potential because Y2K is so trendy right now
Please loot the target, they’re giving us nothinnnggggg. 😩
Lmao
One of the other channels I’m subscribed to said that the costume designer for this show was the costumer designer for Desperate Housewives and it shows.
@@Starfire10982 I wouldn't say that it was because she was on desperate housewives that she can't dress teenagers. But yeah the outfits were bad. Like Euphoria had a similar aesthetic to winx, why couldn't they?
I enjoyed the show however I hated how they didn’t give Aisha any storyline likkkkkeeee we FINALLY get a darkskin black girl (Netflix love a paper bag test) and you don’t give her her own arc tffff, they better find a way to make her princesss next season or I’ll make a surprise entrance to their writer’s room (you can tell their are no ethic minority writers cause how you whitewash 2 out 3 ethnic minorities??!!!!!😡) Especially as Precious Mustapha had the BEST performance.
@Brian Nguyen remember, she was also Blooms nanny 🤩
ikr her character was so much better in the cartoon
@@thatrantinggirl7376 major mammy vibes 🤮
especially since in the original cartoon she had a really cool storyline! she was my favorite and still is but they could have made her so much more interesting, i feel like most times she was just used as an exposition tool to make up for lazy writing
@Brian Nguyen The worst part is when they sort of acknowledge this (when Aisha calls quits from 'pulling her from the edge') and do *nothing* with it! Same for when they never explore Aisha's issues with her powers (i.e. being a natural fairy, being less rigid with its form). They just present it and let it die. Just goes to show how much consideration they gave her character. And even say the same goes for Musa, whose story mostly revolves around Sam, but she at least has her 'always on powers' issue.
Heres the essay on what the did wrong:
Making half of Winx club white.
Not half, 90%
@@inioluwaadeboye9923 no deadass u rite
Exactly what did whitewashing actually add to the plot?!?
Yup!
@@onyinyemilia cuz netflix is racist but wbk
Oh Amanda, the OG series was **chef’s kiss**
Way more diverse in every way
plus the Trix and techna 🥺 I’ll never forgive the reboot for taking them away
@@jadethirlwall1573 ikr and the fact that Flora and Techna are like polar opposites so it made no sense to merge the characters!
@@victoriaadaini it’s cheaper to merge their characters
@@ajf1219 you know what’s even cheaper? 😂 not remaking things you don’t have the budget for
And why did they make Stella (aka the LIGHT fairy) a bitch??
it’s the whitewashed characters for me
No "diverse" entertainment can go without it!
the DROP of color added to this show’s cast......
& 1’s gay(?) and they made him kind of annoying with a slightly confusing character type and the other is just straight up annoying. so like. what’re y’all tryna say
good show tho, fuckin loved it
@@ShemarKnowles I’m tired of these mediocre gay storylines where the make the gay character annoying.
The main costume designer for the show is Catherine Adair, also known for her years of "great" work in Desperate Housewives. So if anyone wonders why the girls are dressed like suburban middle-aged white women now you know why.
Great work indeed😂😂😂
💀💀💀
Omg for real!? That's exactly how I describe what terra and Stella look like
Okay I don't like the outfits, at all. But you can not say that just because she worked on Desperate housewives that she wouldn't be able to dress teenagers. Don't just regurgitate everything you hear. I do hope we get better outfits though.
it was the white washing and removing techna that broke my heart
Specially when Tecna was coded as being in the spectrum and treated respectfully
Here's my entry for comment section essay on the failures of this as a winx club adaptation.
The biggest issue for me with this show is that every change they made seems to be rooted in misogyny or racism. With racism everyone already knows that Musa was whitewashed and the latina character flora was replaced by a white girl named Terra that's big. The other big thing with racism is how they changed Aisha. I loved her casting I love her actress and I was actually hesitantly excited for her arc in this show however all of her personality and story was stripped in favor of making her blooms babysitter. In the original she was an athletic no nonsense tomboy with a soft side hidden under her somewhat harsh exterior. Shes the Princess of one of the largest kingdoms of the galaxy, Andros, but she struggles with the role as she has so many expectations placed on her by her parents. I expect that the majority of her story is going to be given to Stella. In the series she was introduced as having run away from home and befriended a group of Pixies who she has been singlehandedly protecting from the Tyrant ruler of the underground for months. After meeting the other winx club she slowly begins to trust people again and joins their group as one of the most powerful fairies in the series. She also has arcs where she struggles with an arranged marriage and her conflict between what she wants to do and her duty to her kingdom and I love her very much. I didn't see any of the Aisha i grew up with in Fate which sucks because I love her actress Precious.
In terms of the misogyny oh boy. In the original show the girls weren't always best friends all the time but they were extremely close. Even when arguing or even insulting each other there was always one other winx girl trying to stop them and no matter what happened they felt like a really close group of friends. They never fought about boys they only insulted each other's clothes or choices playfully but the show threw all of that out in favor of making the girls rude to each other at first for realism points. Stella was especially bastardized from her original counterpart who certainly didn't shy away from snarky remarks but when push came to shove stella was always the one most protective and caring of her friends. Fate to me seems to have little to no respect for it's source material. Not only does it not include many aspects of the original show like the outfits, music, or fun atmosphere but it actively mocks those things at every opportunity. It claims to be for fans of the original show but it also seems to mock us for wanting to see things like glittery fairy forms which was a big part of the draw to the original show for a lot of people.
I was a kid who had parents that didn't let them watch anything like spongebob and Hannah montana were BANNED from my house but winx club was allowed because my mom thought that it had positive women role models and that while there were always elements of misogyny and racism the overall message of the show was incredibly positive such that it was one of three cartoons I was allowed to watch. I hate the phrase "ruined my childhood" but personally I feel like Fate took a beloved aspect of my childhood and ruined everything that made me like it. To the people who like Fate I'm honestly not mad at you I'm just disappointed they insisted on making this a winx adaptation. I've said quite frequently that the series W.I.T.C.H. which was airing at the same time as winx and had mostly the same fan base would have made a much better basis for this adaptation. Anyway it's a bad adaptation and I'm sorry to those who like it but I can't stand it. If you can enjoy kids shows I recommend the original cartoon (4kids dub tho. This is important) and if that's too girly then W.I.T.C.H. is also good.
This is so PERFECTLY well said! Flora & Aisha were some of the *only* characters I have in TV growing up that looked like me and who I related too. So it really hurts seeing Flora get practically erased & Aisha’s incredible character butchered
This^^^ every criticism I had of the show
I agreed with everything you said! Winx, WITCH, and Totally Spies were the cartoon holy trinity of female empowerment
OMG AMANDA PIN THIS COMMENT!!!!!!
Summed up everything I feel so nicely
Riven a menace to society when I was a child and a menace as an adult CONSISTENCY
I loved him and Beatrix! They made the show sooo interesting. I would have been so bored without them in the show.
But he wasn't this bad. This riven is something else entirely, it broke my heart cause he was my favourite specialist as a kid, i could not stand this character.
ok girl, lemme be that essay. The original show was so loved due to its diversity, fashion and characters designs and personalities. The two characters who were practically erased were, Flora and Tecna, and they completely ignored how much Musa's asian heritage affected her character. Many people were upset because Flora was something that hadn't been represented in media prior to the release of this show, she was a latina who was calm, soft and outwardly caring, refreshing when media has only portrayed latinas as sassy and fiery girls. While, they replaced Flora with Terra who was supposed to be plus-size representation which is fantastic, they could've done that to any of the characters while keeping their ethnicities. Removing Tecna is actually alot more upsetting than many people say, because she was supposed to represent women in S.T.E.M. in a positive light, which is an even more under-represented character archetype. This is merely scratching the surface of the issues i personally have with this show, like how the dark-skin black girl and the plus-size girl are the only ones without love interests, and how they gave aisha no personality, or how the stella in this show is a disgrace to the cartoon, or the fashion. the fashion. do not get me started on the god-awful fashion. There is so much to delve into like lack of sexual orientation representation, or the erasure of Musa's asian heritage but Netflix doesnt want to talk about that. :( the show on its own wouldve been fine, but to completely shit on what winx is supposed to be is really upsetting.
Hey what is the meaning of S.T.E.M
@@nyeletimushwana2963 science. technology. engineering. mathematics
@@nyeletimushwana2963 it stands for science, technology, engineering and mathematics. it is a programme in most schools that is know to be over saturated with male students who are praised while the few female students are often considered prudes or nerds.
Thank you this
FACTS ALL I SEE ARE FACTS
The diversity in characters were lacking both racially and sexual orientation wise
The way the they could’ve added depth to Dane and really just chose not to
I was excited for Dane being bisexual for all of 0.3 seconds. They rly did him dirty, and I hope to god that they flesh his character out better in season 2.
The og was diverse and then they replaced a lot of the woc with white women.
@@Murder.Of.Crows. Dane should have been Nabu/Roy and still bisexual (Nabu and Riven had a nice friendship, Elisha/Musa should have just been Darcy, Beatrix should have been Icy ONLY and going down the path to forming the Trix, Eliot/Terra should have been Tecna and we should have a curvy Latina as Flora as well, as ACTUAL asian, hopefully Chinese, to play Musa, Roxy is now going to be indigenous, Sam should have been Timmy...
And now all we need is people to play Stormy, Diasporo, Selina, Mirta, Brandon, Helia, Nabu/Roy, Nex, Thoren, and Daphne... now that I think about it, what was the point of all the random ass OCs anyways? It’s not like the Winx Cast is all that small to begin with? Every single OC already fits another characters role?
Hell, we make Tecna and Mirta specialists, Nabu and Roy fairies, Darcy and Selina are lesbians, Daphne, Nabu, and Riven are bisexual, Nex and/or Roy are gay and... voila, you have a diverse cast that is even more diverse 20 years later instead of somehow more regressive and offensive than anything from the early 2000s... it’s like Netflix gets off and controversy.
Seeing how many people shipped girls with each other i really was hoping for some Musa x Aisha or something, how cute would it be? Two of main Winx being a lesbian couple fully supported by their friends as they kick butts and have hybrid spells, god so much potential wasted.
The orginal cartoon had everyones fashion and powers reflective of their personality. The cast of the girls were composed of a a very diverse group of girls that all loved eachother (like no boy drama between bloom and stella, they were best friends). Stella, not aisha, used to be Blooms lacky. There was three different schools, one for specialists (all guys), witches and fairies. All 3 schools had different goals but they were on the same level
I especially hate the boy drama 😑
i think i would've liked this series way more if it hadn't nostalgia baited by labeling itself winx. could've had a lot of potential
Exactly, it would be a cool spinoff, inspired by winx
Exactly, they used Winx name for publicity cuz this is so different
Apparently the plus sized girl WAS intended to be flora but the writers changed it to avoid backlash, so yeah they white washed 2/3 POC characters and gave the only poc character no personality or backstory or storyline or even a love interest
No one can convince me that this show is good. They ruined my fav childhood cartoon, i was OBSESSED with it. No Trix? Stella being a bitch? The academy is not pink?No cute outfits ?No wings? No Tecna ,no Flora and Musa not being the asian goddess that she is?????????? Aint nobody asked for a reimagination🙃
Im italian, back then when i still use to live in Italy, i used to watch it(Winx is italian btw)everyday, i had Winx school bag, Winx shirt,Winx shoes etc etc 😅. It was a whole era.Winx was a whole universe with 5 different girls who showed that you can be powerful, feminine,in a relationship,smart and support other women AT the same Time. A girl doesnt have to be one thing. And also the shocking diversity( shocking cause if u know italians well....)in the early 2000' with NO STEREOTYPES, like they all had their backstories and their love stories,and their different personalities and Netflix ruined everything 😐
Really hoping Tecna is coming in season 2
@@cocoapuff_x
She should have been there from the beginning 😫
The show is atrocious I’m surprised anyone liked it. The Italians would never.
@@divinenb4133 YES!!! it was so important that an italian kids show was made to be so diverse, it made young italian girls of color finally feel included in something!
the horrible fashion!!! i cry
yep it was awful
It was such a shame 😭
I was so frustrated. To me only Beatrix looked good(ish)
Winx was alll about the outfits!!!
stella picking out that trashy outfit in episode 1 (or 2) and thinking she's bad...im out.
"because we're in a pon de replay" LMAOOOOO I had to pause the video cause I was cackling too hard 💀
anyways the show needs a lot of work, tecna, flora, the fashion, the white washing because having two black actors does not = diversity and the vfx/ special effects but yeah-
Literally everything
Now y'all know good and well that Techna being there wouldn't have made no damn sense
@@jaheimjohnson2267 Yes, because original Winx was more futuristic, here its more medevil stile with almost no technology and that's why its kinda boring, medival magical trope is really stale since they didi nothing with it.
@@jaheimjohnson2267 she could've just been an air fair with lightning powers or sum lol?
They did Stella so dirty! She was such a good friend in the show and was literally the first person to befriend Bloom in that ICONIC first episode. Now her character is just "blond, rich, mean girl, bitch", when in the og show she was so much more...
Here's my attempt at the paragraph (from someone who watched the Winx as a child! )
Problems:
there's only one (dull) "transformation" (in the original, the fairies would unlock new "forms" which would lead to these beautiful transformation scenes),
they whitewashed two of the characters (Musa is Eastern Asian coded and Flora is Latina coded) took out Techna (the technology fairy). They turned Aisha into the token POC.
the fashion isn't good at all (the original fashion choices in the show were designed by fashion designers if I'm not mistaken, inspired by Y2K)
They turned the damn lights off (lacked a vibrant color pallette) Why can't we have fun magic shows instead of another Riverdale or Sabrina the teenage witch. sigh. The showrunners only made it darker because they wanted to appeal to young adults this time around. It's kinda frustrating because why can't we have FUN. Not everything needs to be this brooding, dark, story for adults to like it.
NOW, I think the show on its own is fine on its own. It can be a good dark magic fairy/witches show. If it wasn't the nostalgia baiting and the whitewashing, this probably is an enjoyable show! This will probably have a good following BUT It's not faithful to the original at all.
They really made Aisha the token black character, she originally had an interesting story and personality, tired of this.
no like in the original series she’s literally royalty, just like stella, and is the MAIN CHARACTER of season 2. her narrative/plot drives an entire season. they did her and everyone else so dirty, just turned them into cliches.
NOT AMANDA CALLING THE PANDEMIC A ‘PON DE REPLAY’ 😩😩
Stream Pon De replay so Rih could release her album
Why did this massive school only have three teachers 😭 there are soooo many things wrong with the series but this was the funniest plot hole
But I feel like in the original they had like 5 or something lol. And like, the specialist wizard, the old specialist bro and Mrs cloud tower.
I was thinking the same thing after the second episode 😂
Bloom had me pissed the entire season. I know she's the main character but she got on my nerves the whole time.
She’s the least interesting character in the whole show lololol
@@aliceroared Honestly
She was annoying in the original too. Tbh she's the only character i felt had the same personality. I couldn't stand either of them
she was such a crybaby listen to the black girl for once
Why did they hate the only black person there?????
Right she literally saved them from a wayyyy worse situation and have the audacity to call her snitch...tuh please she literally saved the school in a partial way😒😒😒
@@chinyereudeh3405 the black Woman saved the day trope !!!
@@fedhaamour I feel stupid for asking but do you mean in a good way or bad way? I'm sorry I'm lost😭😭😭
@@chinyereudeh3405 bad way because it feels that she’s only there to clean up everyone else’s mess and and also she’s a token black girl
@@fedhaamour ah yes I understand. I'm sorry I just liked the fact that she was the most mature. But now that you say that, I for sure see what you see. Again I'm sorry
I can’t tell you how happy I was that Aisha was darkskin
Then they gave her no plotline of course
FR. I was so happy but the way the writers treat her character is awful.
@@onyinyemilia yeah I realized that she barely had lines that was disappointing!!
It really annoyed me though because it just felt like she was the token black friend which sucked because Aisha in the original series had such amazing storylines yet it feels like it was all tossed aside for the other characters
It’s so annoying because in the original series Aisha had a strong plot line like she was a freakin princess
amanda looks so good with braids wtf can she rock everything
She looks good period
The original Winx Club was a show that had as its main message that friendship is important and that friends (true friends) will always be there for you.
In winx club they also showed that no matter where you are from everyone can be friends (Flora being the Latina representation, Musa the Asian and one last character I don’t remember the name of [it’s been so long since I’ve seen the show x.x] that was the African(?)/darker skinned rep). Winx Club also said a big middle finger to same ethnicity pairings, all the girls having their own guy, never having a ridiculous fight over one of them.
Edit: in the case of the clothes, the one in charge of it in the Netflix show was the same as “Desperate Housewives” so that explains the... fashion sense (oh god Stella they did you so bad)
That makes almost even less sense cause Desperate Housewives started in 2004 so in the first seasons the fashion was pretty Y2K aesthetics but suburbean. They should've made it more like the first seasons of DH but with some more colors, magical flare etc. Not early 2010s generic CW show
@@mwodny8034 well then, it seems they didn't want to go back in time. I didn't know Desperate Housewives was that old
I’ll never forgive the reboot for taking away Tecna and the Trix
Based on what I've heard about Fate, they can't even properly juggle the characters they decided to keep. Adding four other main characters would have made it even more of a hot mess. At the very least, they could have made the girls more interesting to make up for the missing characters.
@@TuesdaysArt true but it doesn’t feel like a winx show without those characters. I get that they half-assed the characters they did include, but including all of the winx except for techna, and leaving out some of the most interesting characters in the OG (the trix) feels like a slap in the face
@@jadethirlwall1573 That's true. Even if they made the Trix into a composite character, it still erases the interpersonal relationships between the three of them and the other characters. I'm a huge sucker for interpersonal relationships and this show sounds disappointing in that category.
@@TuesdaysArt yeah, exactly! it feels like they don’t understand why those characters were so beloved in the first place
@@jadethirlwall1573 I get the impression they wanted the show to be the love child between Riverdale and Harry Potter because that's all I see. It's so unrecognizable that I wouldn't have even known it was Winx unless it was in the title.
The entirety of the original show is on RUclips. You can watch it all now
It was having 2 poc characters in a sea of caucasian for me.
It's the white feminists thinking recasting a poc woman as a plus size yt woman was okay for me.
This is the only show I've ever WANTED to flop. I REFUSE to watch it. YES I'M MAD lol
Sameee
Stream that🏴☠️🦜 Were not giving Netflix anymore views 😑
I saw the fashion and immediately knew this wasn't it
I'm so sad bc the show was a hit and getting another season :'(
I'm just bothered that they used the nostalgia cluch of Winx club to make a show that could have stood on it's own. They changed the fashion and the racially diverse cast and it doesn't even follow any plot points that would call for it being called winx. If the show and some characters would have been named something else no one would have connect the dots and no one would have complained.
bloom is even worse than i remember and they RUINED STELLA
FR
literally started episode 1 and saw what they did to her and immediately turned it off
i started rewatching the show and bloom already annoyed me but this bloom was so damn annoying
@@foodymoodylps565 i never got the hype about bloom when i was younger, i liked everyone but her 💀 lmao
@@griffinsogato6962 omg i actually like bloom lmao😭 but the fate winx saga bloom is insufferable
I was so embarrassed that they were getting mad at Aisha for “snitching” on Bloom huh?
The school is under attack and u are being selfish and because of her selfish actions the headteacher died that one guy got arrested and the school completely changed.
I also hated the fact that they took the premise of a pg and made it edgy as if I cared for that
AND WHY THE HELL DID THEY HAVE TO WHITEWASH THEM like what did that bring to the story
Also also they casted all these characters like riven but he didn’t end up with musa. I hated riven anyway so it’s not that bad
Also watch sky’s dad disapprove of bloom which will lead to their relationship drama in s2 watch this happen
Why did they have to replace flora ?!? And if you’re going to replace her with her cousin why make her whoty
And I hated the performative feminism eg when bloom says lord of the flies and her dad corrects her with ladies or when idk his name comes to apologise to Terra and she has this mini monologue to the men in the room about patriotism. I wanna be shown this feminism not have a 5 minute speech on this it just feels forced
Also also why give musa another storyline (her mum dying) when my girl Aisha is still out here being blooms black best friend
However I liked musas storyline
I also liked Stellas development
The plot was good but it’s the fact thst they dragged winx into it annoyed me cuz u have two veryyy different stories but merged the characters
🗣🗣SPEAK ON IT
But I mean I think that there was no development. Just two vastly different Stellas. Like one minute she was a vindictive dick to all the girls and wasn’t even friends with them. Then disappears for one episode and she’s matured enough to not wanna be with sky, wanting to help bloom? There was no gradual anything.
@@jadebush6133 true I never thought about that but I guess it was seeing her mum treating her and the headteacher bad that made her change idk but I’m happy she’s still got some attitude
@@cunningfox7838 true we could have seen her helping at the border with the teachers but no
AISHA HAD HER OWN KINGDOM SHE WAS A PRINCESS AND THEY SIDLEINED HER 😑
literally i loved how in the original both stella and aisha were royalty because they had such a cute dynamic.
Don't forget protector of pixies
THE NOLLYWOOD INTRO SENDING ME
Riven and Musa were a couple in the original series. So when Musa was paired with Sam, I was so confused
I'm actually kind of happy they slotted her with Sam, because this version of Riven is even worse than he was in the orignal cartoon
Musa deserved way better than Riven in both animated and live action series 💁🏻♀️
@@aliceroared
Sure did
@@felicityb93 Exactly! I was so hurt by the change in character of riven
We want a PERCY JACKSON REVIEW PLSS👏🏾👏🏾🙏🏾😭
I just finished the entire series and it was definitely interesting. Bloom got on my nerves she was so stuck up and did not understand that everything that happened was her fault. I disliked Aisha character they always make stereotypes of dark skin women and girls. This girl can literally control water she is not Bloom's side kick. The original winx cartoon was way better than this show because the characters was flushed out, the plot was good, it was way more diverse in characters. Also all of the characters had their own personalities, stories lines, character development, etc. It was also very evident in the series that all the girls were powerful and none of them side kicks to bloom.
Euphoria mixed dark themes with bright clothing why can't Netflix do that!
Also, let's be real... they went the white-actor route with Terra (who was originally Flora) because having to find three Latino actors to play Flora, her father, and her brother would have been too much work for them. Sigh!
I don't know if someone did the essay already but there are a few big issues that a lot of people have with the show when coming from the perspective of it being an adaptation of the Winx Club.
The biggest is the whitewashing of Flora (whose role was given to Terra in Fate) and Musa. When it comes to Flora/Terra, the situation is really weird and funny because the people behind the show were well aware that people were going to be mad that they made Flora white (she's a brown-skinned Latina in the cartoon and her design was based on Jennifer Lopez), so they changed her name to Terra and presented her as a new character in a desperate attempt to cover up the whitewashing. We know for a fact that Terra was originally written to be Flora because the actress for Terra had it on her portfolio that she auditioned for Flora in this show.
When it comes to Musa, her design in the original cartoon was based on Lucy Liu and a lot of her outfits and clothing had Asian designs, which is just evidence that Musa is supposed to be Asian. The actress for Musa is apparently a quarter Singaporean so a lot of people assume that means she's racially a quarter Asian but she's definitely a white-passing/white woman when the role should be for a visibly Asian actor.
The second biggest problem people have with the show is the fashion and the aesthetic. The cartoon is famous for having a clear focus on fashion with each member of the Winx Club having their own distinct styles and multiple outfits throughout the series. The show even hired actual fashion designers to help design the outfits of characters, proving how much of a staple fashion is to the show. I think it's obvious then why so many people have issues with the look and costuming of Fate.
There are other problems people have like certain characters being left out of the adaptation and key elements from the show (transformations in particular) being minimal in the adaptation but I think I covered where a lot of the original fans are coming from pretty well.
Aisha’s my favorite character too, even tho they neglected her with a storyline. She still found a way to shine. She’s a really good friend with a good moral compass. She really has a really good heart. Can’t wait to see more of her
“Yes she drugged you, but did you die?” Djjdjsjsjs I SCREAMED
The whole fate team is laughing at us....😭😭
Amanda, please watch the OG Winx show. S3 especially is a MASTERPIECE. All of the seasons are on RUclips
It’s a good show for outsiders like younger kids who haven’t seen og winx (if we ignore the lack of diversity) but when u know the source material this reboot is embarrassing in comparison
Its not even a good show for that. Its a good show for people who knows nothing about the winx club, because if they dont know anything about it, then they can enjoy it as its own thing
u should bridgerton next!
two days in a row? thank you mother for feeding us🙏
BEATRIX AND AISHA ARE THE BEST CHARACTERS NO OTHER OPINIONS TOLERATED!!
Taste.
You should definitely watch the OG Winx Club 😌
The way you talk about these characters makes you so freaking likable :D
Yesss I’m so glad you made a video about fate. I’m hoping the large response is gonna help season 2 get a bigger budget, better fashion, and more sfx. Also Aisha is literally the princess of Andros in the original cartoon, so hopefully they explore that or give her some substantial plot line in s2. In the cartoon series she’s presented as one of the most powerful fairies in the group along with Bloom and Stella so I hope this continues as the live action goes further.
I've been waiting bc I was not bothered to watch this bc of the whitewashing. Also have you reviewed All American? If not I would love to see your review on it. But I'm proud to be early.
The pacing was too fast, and how they pronounced Ashia’s name wrong set me off. If they had more episodes and it was more developed in pacing wise I would’ve love it with all my heart
U spelt it word so dunno what bs your on. Her name is Aisha and they said it correct for the most part
Eye-eesh-uh
@@danielwalker2162 _for the most part_ as you said lol
I feel like many netflix originals have some kind of pacing problem
@@giself3850 Yeh they do it in a lot of shows, they may say the characters name wrong, no need to nitpick at this one show
Amanda is BLESSING us with a new video RIGHT AFTER delivering for us just yesterday
Its the bland ass fashion and the white wash of an already ironically styled and racially diverse characters for me
Remember how they showed Aisha struggling with class and bloom never tried to help her or talk to her about it
I'm literally screaming😭😂! The way Amanda reads these shows 😩
Have u ever seen on my block? I would LLOOOOOOVVVEEEE to see an “everything I hate about” video on that. Top tier content
Ok so I am going to be the one to write a long ass paragraph essay on this topic. Disclaimer: I have not and will not watch the series due to my personal attachment to the original series. I am going to do this character by character +other issues.
Tara: while it is amazing that a plus sized character was cast to play one of the most beloved characters from the original series, whose name was Flora, there still lie issues with this. Flora, who the character of Tara was based on, and originally named after, was a latina. As we can see in the series, this has been removed. This is a huge issue, as the character of Flora was already whitewashed in the later animation adaptations. The series couldn't allow a pluz sized latina to play the role, it was either plus sized or latina.
Musa: Again, whitewashing occurs in the case of Musa, who was originally Asian and based on Lucy Liu. In the original series, there were multiple references to East-Asian culture in the character of Musa and it was overall an important factor of her character. This has all been removed and a racially ambigious, if not white, actor ws cast to play thw role. This is yet another erasure of diversity.
Aisha: It is amazing that a dark skinned black woman was cast for this role, and I honestly think that Precious was an amazing choice. However, as the diversity of the original show has been removed, this casting seems to be a distraction of the other factors of white washing.
Bloom: In the case of Bloom, I'm not sure of any major issues.
Stella: In the original series, Stella is the first one to befriend Bloom and they seem to be the closest throughout the series. This friendship was not complicated by a love triangle, as Stella fell in love with Sky's servant. This was a major part of her character, as she learned to look outside of her own royal class and accept everyone as they are. Stella's styling is also a major issue, but I will return to this later on.
Techna: Techna was one of the original winx in the original series. She was a technology fairy, which might be a reason for her removal, as it was outdated. However, the removal of Techna also took away amazing possibilities to develoo this character and add diversity. You see, Techna displays many traits of autism and though asexuality could not have been a thing in the original series, it would make sense in the case of Techna. This would also offer an amazing development and retelling of this character in the time and space, in which these aspects of the character could be done justice to.
Styling: The original Winx had amazing styling, in fact, actual designers were called in to create to look for each girl. The girls had style and were colorful, which is definitely not the case here. Stella, for example, was a very fashionable girl in the original series, but now she is dressed like a 30 year old woman. A big reason to this is that the stylist that was hired, had never worked with teenager costuming. The show could've utilized the rising trend of 2000s fashion or for example in the case of wanting to make the series darker, dark academia or something similar.
Lack of LGBTQ+ representation: In thee original series, there were many plots that could be developed into a more queer direction, for example, in the case of Flora or Tara. This however, was not done.
Profiting on nostalgia and not actually caring about the original material: The original Winx Club has loads and loads of room to develop, which, if executed correctly, could've produced and amazing show to watch. However, the creators fail to recognize their main nostalgic audience, who are in late teens and in their twenties. The show wss not made with care for the people it tried to profit of off, and doesn't offer development to our beloved characters.
I am sorry if this is confusingly structured, but my main disappointment was the fail to utilize the amazing world of Winx and bring it to life.
If anything, Techna would fit perfectly in today's age. Even if Techna wouldn't be the only one with technology, she could be a computer programmer and/or have powers which affect technology in a special way. It's been a while since I've seen the show so I wasn't really aware of Techna's neurodivergent traits, but it was interesting to read your comment about her. :>
@@TuesdaysArt Yeah, I've just seen this theory thrown around, but her power could also be tweaked into something a little different. I am just so disappointed that they removed Techna, when her character could've finally been done justice and given the proper development.
I'm gonna pass on it til the second season comes out cause I heard the show made aisha(the only dark skin character I've seen in the promo) a commoner and Blooms babysitter when in the cartoon she was a princess and super powerful . Netflix gotta correct that. I recommend the W.i.t.c.h cartoon for those who enjoyed the "darker" elements of this show.
Yeah in the OG Aisha was princess of a powerful land and also had underwater mermaid/ fairy cousins that also carried the plot line
@@thelove9160 not even land mind you, but a whole PLANET and they just left that out-
perfect timing, i was literally just thinking about how i haven’t watched a video from you in a while
"Time doesn't exists to me anymore" sameee I forgot that last week was my birthday
You’re literally an angel, I’ve been really struggling with my mental health lately and ur videos have been helping a lot. You’re so funny, smart, and you help me feel understood. Thank you for taking time out of ur busy schedule to post videos 💖
I hope you do an “Everything Wrong” of Teen Wolf. We need it.
I’m watching it is it good who are ur favs?
@@nelly3561 Scott, Derek and Kira, Lydia would be fourth place, I like her a lot but she's not my favorite tbh. What are yours?
I haven't watched it and probably won't. I really wanted it to sparkly and pretty like the original show. Not Riverdale reject
Finding out that the writer also wrote for Vampire Diaries makes so much sense. Aisha is getting the Bonnie treatment.
I’m so mad that this was your introduction to the Winx series 😭 pls go watch the cartoon plsss
I saw the thumbnail and immediately thought “God bless this girl”
Beatrix does not exist in the original cartoon but her character alludes to a trio of witches called the trix that were the main antagonists of the original show
The earrings are giving!!! Love them so much
You so wrong for this opening 😂😂😂
I hope in season two they embark on Aisha being a PRINCESS because I guess we just forgot all about the BLACK PRINCESS so we only focused on Stella and we are missing two faries Flora and Tecna and three main villains call the Trix but overall I loved the series.
I literally binged this as soon as it came out ooop ahahah
GUYS if they messed up the casting and storylines for the characters this bad (my perspective considering I watched the OG show). How bad will the live action ATLA be!?!?
ikr i’m so concerned
I wish they had stuck with the original version. The second season of the original showcases Aisha's story and personality. She's a princess! Why have her aid Bloom most of the season? If you're up to watch the original, the 4kids version is on the WinxClubEnglish Channel or the Rai version on the WinxClub Channel. I'd suggest not to go past the 7th season (I mean it gets bad) of 4kids or the extended version of Rai.
Apart from everythinngggg the show messed up, I still was very invested while watching it and enjoyed it lolo
Aisha was actually the only person with sense....
"I'll jump through the screen if I have to... Blues clues" Amanda plz 😂💀
The fashion of this show is just so dreary and dumpy frumpy! It’s the desperate housewives designer for me
Okay just finished... they bought up the dragon flame 🌝 I’m in? But why is everyone AFRAID OF COLOR
Yooo if Amanda could watch the OG Winx Club and compare it to this. She would eat the Winx saga Netflix show up 😭.
If she does, she atleast has to watch the OG Winx club from season 1-5. It’s so fire 🔥🔥 And I included season 5 cause y’all can’t say Sirenix wasn’t lit, especially the music.
wow, we are really eating this week arent we?
Also, first!!
Also, also, as a person who watched the original religiously, we dislike Bloom in this house. that is all
😭 i whole heartedly agree , bloom can leave , the rest can stay including roxy 😌
I still don’t know who’s evil and who’s good.
In general there needs to be a halt on “cartoon to live action” adaptations
As just a show it’s a Netflix Original so 🙄but when you attach something to it like WINX CLUB targets were missed 🤢
Yess I’m early. Anyways we hate bloom lmao bye.
she was annoying but she made it work
@@ivory5212 you could say that 🤷♀️
At least she’s less annoying in the show than the cartoon
Thank god am not the only one!!
@@Deeviiouss Literally!
The wings were beautiful 😻
THE EARRINGS!!
I got so excited when I saw this video in my recommendations!