он летает "лучше всех" потому что это единственное что на нём можно показать, а по сути это старая летающая железяка не имеющая отношения к современной боевой авиации в которой фигуры пилотажа играют значение равное нулю. эта хрень из говна и палок продует любой современной системе ведения боя, причем быстро и гарантировано
Это прототип без снаряжения и секретного оборудования, просто показ для зрителей, а реально боевые снаряжённые оборудованием, сейчас участвуют в боевых действиях и очень хорошо себя показывают, причем достаточно давно они там находятся.
The Swedes in 1242: these Russians don't even have armor. There's nothing to worry about. The French in 1812: Look at the Russian artillery - I throw a stone further. What's there to be afraid of? Germans, Hungarians, Finns and Italians in 1941: T-34? Look at the welding quality and the cannon - this tank is barely moving, how are they going to beat us, with our real European quality? USA in 2024: look at this. There is poor build and fit quality. There's nothing to be afraid of! Dear west...Has history really taught anyone anything yet?
The same thing that happened back then is happening now. Russia is willing and stupid enough to sacrifice as many of their soldiers as it takes to win. Hard to beat an opponent that doesnt care about its soldiers since they will be sent in wave after wave to die. We are stupid though cuz we see how many Russians are dying for useless land and keep thinking Russia cant possibly send more people to die but every time they do. The really sad part is they are all dying for the dumbest reason possible. Russia can give a fuck less about ukraines nazi problem and just want the natural resources.
1242 - Novgorodians, not Russians. 1812 - The Iberian Peninsula war, Egypt and Trafalgar might have had something to do with that. Blücher and Wellington deserve just as much credit as Kutuzov. 1941 - Arctic Convoy go brr, elbow-dropping the odd U-Boat or two as they go. And as for the Winter War...
@pustelga45 Great info on the early racists.I am reading about those misconceptions for the first time. 😀 Because of this racism the west ignores facts to fit their misconceptions. Guderian said in his memoirs. After looking at the T34 he said untill today we had technical superiority. From now on the Russians have technical superiority. The old warrior wanted the T34 copied part for part. The Germans were too arrogant to accept that. Also they did not have the diesel engine for it. Racists will be racists. Ukrainian stupidity is also based on their racism. Who else who having known Russian technical capability would side with a power 8000 miles away to destroy a country on its doorstep. Every economic advantage could have been gained by working with Russia. Racists will be racists.
@@МескалитоПейот The Russians keep bragging. Stop with the empty talk and show some real evidence already. And even if we assume that back in the 1950s your Soviet Union helped build their military industry, what on earth does that have to do with modern military technology? Are you being naive or just dishonest? This isn’t how you earn respect.
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Not getting into technology and politics I think the Su57 is a great looking aircraft.
Sergei Bogdan is sukhoi's test pilot who do these demo's. One of the best test pilots ever. I saw him flying the su35 during Paris airshow in 2013 . ( also the plane on my profile picture ) He got the nick name " the show stopper " after his demo . Because all activities stopped on the ground during his demo. Everyone was looking in the air.... The best solo display I ever saw. Otherwise thanks Mover for the very nice neutral analysis. Thanks for that one . Keep on with the good work .
Perhaps, the prototype of the Su-57 was deliberately chosen just for the purpose of public relations. The fact that such close physical access was permitted suggests this. I don't think, a production model meant for actual combat would have been given such access to the public.
It could be the Russian "M" (Monkey) version supposed tactic. Where they create with export "m" version of the equipment as in case of T-72M tanks illusion of lower quality products and then they surprise the opponent on the actual battlefield with the equipment of much better combat capabilities than expected. Again, it is completely counterproductive in regards to propaganda, market sales and reputation, and Russians are good in propaganda.
It is a prototype its called t50. You can even find side by side comparisons su57 body shape is quite different than t50 *(this one) the stealth features are greatly improved in production model, you can google side to side comparisons, su57 is alot tighter, with ram coatings, no exposed rivets and more sleek design, you can just write "su57 vs t50 side to side comparison".
@@horrorkek9340 armchair politicians are great - they know what they want and it's good to talk about things - Just because you do or don't agree with them doesn't make them right or wrong. There is a big difference between expressing one's views and opinion as compared to assessing combat capabilities based off photo's
Westerners have a morbid need to ridicule Russians. Psychology explains this as a pathological fear of Russia. Having ridiculed your fear, it becomes easier and not so scary...
Gotta laugh that there is always the one turd that cannot help himself and roll out the “armchair” comment while simultaneously hinting at have advanced knowledge of the subject matter.
What is this discussion about quality all about? Completely pointless! The past has shown that Russian aircraft are absolutely world class - and the economic conditions have improved greatly in recent years. Ultimately, the Russians build as they always have, pragmatically and functionally - but they never forget the aesthetics of the aircraft.
When I watch videos "from there", I always see rusty things. Sometimes the Russian tanks look like a gypsy camp, sometimes the planes are crooked, sometimes machine guns. Their guns were designed and built under Stalin... And it all works, it shoots and hits. In all the videos from the front, I hear this hum of rusty Russian iron. Here, one Ukrainian soldier said that the wonderful American Abrams have a habit of stopping right during an attack, the filters are low or the fuel is not so clean, but stopping a tank during a fight is a minus for the tank. Failure of a weapon that cannot function normally in the conditions of the "Verdun meat grinder" is a minus for the fighter. And yes, the plane from the discussions is one of the flying prototypes, it has been redesigned many times. In any case, even if it is ugly (and it is beautiful), it will be able to shoot. I am proud that I am Russian, since we are still a country that can do it in the fifth generation, there are only 3 such countries.
If you come to a show like that be prepared for espionage, so I see nothing bad in showing a prototype. It demonstrates flying capabilities of serial model (which is btw equipped with another newer engine AL51F, while prototype flies on AL31F or AL41F). So sofa warlords can laugh as long as they wish, but the truth is that aircraft flies like an angel, so imagine how serial model with better engines can fly. There's nothing even close in the air that can fly like Su-57, that's the fact.
They likely have a supply from the same way the US sourced titanium from Russia during the Cold War. Not enough for mass production but if you only need a dozen you can make it work.
@@JustanotherconsumerWe probably do a lot of things ourselves. Our scientific and industrial base is probably not so bad. Even my company makes microchips themselves). Stop your fantasies about Russian bears and men in fur hats. 😁
Russia is completely satisfied with the supply of high-tech equipment. Sanctions were invented for gullible fools. We have the latest models of chips, processors, household appliances, computers, even the latest versions of Apple devices appear in Russia earlier than in the USA thanks to corruption, which bypasses all prohibitions.
@@costyapetrov1067 all American jets have been used against outdated jets and insurgents but in real life they don’t want to put it against a real adversary. Bring the F35 against a SU57 and you will see that F35 is an over advertised junk
@@costyapetrov1067это как Абрамсы, челенджеры и леопарды догорающие в степях Украины от обычного дрона за 2000$, вот тебе реальность. 😂 Кстати, в Москве специально на них смотрел, там целая выставка вашего хлама из НАТО. 😂
I find this funny, a US citizen talking about build quality when your "most advanced fighter" the F-35 is rusting, roting and loosing their paint job because of ocean-air, where they were build to serve....
Ну ребята, вы даете! Железо не понравилось? Не на железо надо смотреть, а в небо, на длину разбега, углы атаки, время полного виража и.т.д. Где вы еще видели такого акробата? С такой техникой справится любой летчик, с малым налетом. Самолет простит любые ошибки, выручит, сохранит жизнь летчику. Разве не это важно? Про вооружение промолчу. А нам с вами лучше организовывать встречи за столом с вкусной едой и хорошими напитками, чем в воздушном бою. 😊
Меня тоже всегда забавляла та тщательность, с которой янки шпаклюют и закрашивают все заклёпки на своей технике. Это ведь в разы увеличивает скорость ремонта. Зато выглядит красиво, а значит легче продать.
Airplanes have not been involved in dog fights for a long time; that’s a thing of the past. Have you seen how the F-16 shoots down Russian planes? At very long ranges, he simply launches an AIM-120 missile and returns to base. The essence of modern warfare is the stealth and range of an air-to-air missile. And all these tricks and acrobats are for tourists.
Диванные комментаторы😂😂😂. СУ 57 это единственный самолет 5го поколения, подтвердивший все свои характеристики в реальной войне. Над Украиной они просто издеваются над Пэтриотами и Насамсами, которые его даже заметить не могут😂😂
Tail number 054. This is the fourth prototype assembled in 2012. All the hard modes have been practiced on him for more than 10 years, and he is still in great shape. The spare aircraft (056) is the sixth prototype of 2016. They do not want to show production aircraft in China, so as not to give away all the secrets, new engines, avionics, protection systems and so on. China is already trying to copy everything that comes to hand. J16 is a copy of the su. J20 is a copy of the mig-1.44 . J35 is a copy of the F35. and so on and they showed the su-57 at this air show not for the sake of advertising or sales (this aircraft is too good for export, it will not be sold to anyone for at least 15 more years, they are developing a less expensive and secret su-75 for export). They showed the Su-57 at this air show just as a sign of friendship with China
The fact is that Russia had signed a first contract on export version of Su-57E during this airshow. But number of planes and country which bought the planes were not announced.
I see nothing but admiration for the Su57's design and maneuverability all over the Chinese internet, no one's hating on or making fun of the Su57. They do make fun of the F35 a lot tho, for being a fat ass and crashing everywhere, better check your sources. Nationalities and politics aside, the Su57 is the best looking aircraft hands down
Judging by how well that Russian pilot flew into that approach I say it’s reasonable to assume it takes a lot of skill to perform those high alpha maneuvers.
This is not just prototype, this is the 54 blue, one of the first flying, tormented through thousands of flight hours and probably reassembled countless times. Ofc it's rough. Photos of proper serial Su-57s can be found online easily.
Highly doubt that it has thousands of hours. The rest yes. Practical build quality has been a mainstay of Russian aircraft for a long time. The only issue about the rough quality is with regard to stealth. And that’s been a know issue for a long time. Failing left is cool, not necessarily an actual move needed in combat.
@@konekillerkingyeah stealth capabilities of Russian aircraft in general can be questioned, but the truth is that such things have to be a part of a country’s military doctrine. In USA it is, so you guys (sorry if I’m assuming you are American I don’t mean anything bad by it) pursue stealth, consider it valuable. And so on and so forth. In Russia, the military doctrine was last revised in the 90’s, but it never included stealth. We think it’s not worth the hassle due to stealth-detection technologies and so on and so forth. Me and you can argue forever who’s right and who’s wrong, it’s just a different approach to war.
@@3450P на текущий момент локаторы Су-35 и су-57 лучшие , ракета Р-37 самая дальнобойная . а акробатика показывает устойчивость и управляемость самолёта. Послушай что говорит С Богдан про воздушный бой , его мнение чего то стоит в отличии от твоего трепа.
@@3450P если бы было так как вы пишите, то никто бы не делал самолеты быстрее и маневринее. зачем делать что то маневринное, если можно на самолете 3 поколения поставить радар и ракеты😀. вы не сможете просто выпустить ракету и быть увереным в том, что она попадет, ракета очень не маневринное средство доставки.
@@korana6308 Nop. the closest one(s) to a Su-57 might be the last prototypes, for manufacturing planning. The various prototypes are different from each other, as they were built to test different aspects of the aircraft during development. Some of the first ones even had to modify the rear part quite a bit to use different engines or stabilizers. Perhaps only the last prototypes could be brought to the production standard, but I doubt they have done so or will do so. The first series ones will be updated to the M standard.
You are one of the few honest, common sense RUclipsrs. So many RUclipsrs are ignoring that the version seen is a prototype and assume that all of them are this poorly built.
But Prototypes are often better than production models, at least for Russia, the MiG25 scared the hell out of the west, so much the US made the F-15 and F-16 to counter it. The MiG25 broke all kinda records and sounded very dangerous. Turns out they had spent all their money on the prototypes, made of high quality materials, then when the west got their hand on the production model, they were many tons heavier, made of thick steel plates, engine wasn't as good. So for the MiG25(and 23 to some degree) the production models were of far far worse quality of the prototypes. Given the problems of sourcing high quality materials and technology for Russia now. I'm not sure you can expect the production models to be much better.
@@Gunfreak19 NOt necessarily. That's called generalization fallacy. Just because one prototype was like that doesn't mean all of them are. and this "sourcing problem" have been debunked many times already it's a meme; there's China, there's black market.
the su-57 rules the sky over ukraine, destroying enemy planes, atacking highly defended targets, and evading all nato radar systems awacs included no doubt the best 5 generation fighter.
Its one of the original 1st stage prototypes, its been disassembled/reassembled many times since those prototypes were made for structural testing. Im not even sure it has the electronics and weapons bay installed. It actually looks damn good for what it is.
What someone can see as a poor quality might be an advantage in real war, Russia´s guns need far less maintainance and will not break so easy as USA´s weapons....,that is what matters in real war !!! We can see it in Ukraine !
@@m.g7809 If you think falling weird is going to stop modern missiles from hitting you then you haven't been paying attention. Active and passive denial is about all you have, unless you are on the outskirts of the missile's range then you punch it and hope you get out of it's range. Also what is this about being angry? Are you projecting?
@@thomgizzizyou actually think that in a real dogfight, they gonna pull that maneuver off? It's just a demonstration of the aircraft stability and it look cool at airshow. Take a chill pill
Well, I’ve performed many close inspections of active, in service Russian aircraft. Their construction techniques and quality standards are equal to or better than the U.S. manufactured equipment. Some of there design architecture may seem antiquated, but their design philosophy is is geared more toward robustness not aesthetics. If you underestimate Russian equipment, it will be to your disadvantage.
Они сколько угодно могут смеяться над торчащими болтами и некачественными стыками элементов на этом прототипе,но ни один их самолёт(и даже тот же Раптор),даже без всех этих недостатков не способен повторить большинства манёвров,виртуозно проделываемых этим пилотом на этом несерийном самолёте.
@@RikkiSan1 This is airshow, bro. You cant lanch missiles to have a BVR battle in the airshow. This is why the russians bring their T-50 to zhuhai. Actually, they did a great job.
@@evilshews в реальном бою больше шансов на победу имеет тот пилот,который обладает большим мастерством пилотирования и знает на что способен его самолёт на критических режимах и я более чем уверен,что пилот Раптора в 90% случаев предпочтёт свалить по-быстрому,отказавшись от прямого боя,зная,что не сможет ни сам переиграть такого противника,ни его самолёт,если случайно в пылу боя выйдет на запредельные режимы-он знает что его самолёт попросту развалится в воздухе,поэтому будет сильно ограничен в возможностях.А тот,кто сильно осторожничает-тот проигрывает при прочих равных условиях.Все великие асы потому и стали таковыми,потому что позволяли себе действовать нестандартно,рисковали и использовали возможности своего самолёта на все 100%(и зачастую-даже пилотируя самолёт с худшими чем у противника характеристиками-но они знали и умели им виртуозно управлять). А то что "медленных быстро убьют"-а ты попробуй возьми в прицел цель,летя на ну к примеру 900 км/ч,когда твой противник,летя впереди тебя-внезапно с переворотом проваливается вниз и заходит тебе в хвост-ты в кого тогда целиться-то будешь?А ведь при этом манёвре ещё и сам самолёт противника должен не развалиться-и именно это и демонстрирует пилот Су 57-самолёт остаётся целым и его двигатели не захлебнулись и не заглохли от таких манёвров(ведь на то,чтобы их перезапустить тоже нужно время,которого может как раз хватить,чтобы падающий самолёт поразили).Ты оцениваешь это видео как дилетант,а вот опытные пилоты говорят что это всё нереально-они-то точно знают что не смогут повторить этого на своих самолётах,считающимися самыми лучшими в мире.Были же тренировочные бои ещё с Су 27,пилоты которых в подавляющем большинстве случаев побеждали своих противников на западных самолётах.А Су 57-это машина ещё более высокого класса.
Привет из России дружище 🤝 хорошо, то что ты хотя бы говоришь о том, что это прототип. А 99% остальных «как будь то экспертов» специально замалчивают это. Эта полетная модель, построена почти 15 лет назад. Выше в комментариях написано, что конечно же самолет отправлен не для продажи.
T-50-4 prototype was flown down for aerial display purpose, one serial Su-57E (export) was shipped down by air transport for the static (sales) display, this aircraft has not been uncovered for public viewing as of yet, it will be at the opening 12/11/2024. There are no classified VKS Felons at the show.
+. The prototype of the PAK-FA program has been officially presented, T-50-4 (2009). It's NOT serial Su-57. It is enough to check the ship's side number (054) so as not to mislead the audience.
No excuses, it looks like it was whittled out of clay by 5-year-olds. No American manufacturer would ever make that sad excuse of a prototype. Look at the prototypes of the F-22 and f-35. They were gorgeous, like something from another world. Not even close.
As a Chinese, I'm happy to see how fast the Chinese military has developed. But I hope the J35 will never need to fight against the F35. I also hope that one day, the SU57&75, the J20&35, and the F22&35 can appear at the same airshow for people to enjoy. "Siri, play Imagine by John Lennon."
Definitiv the best comment! Man muss nur wissen wer die meisten Kriege der letzten 80 Jahre angefangen hatte , dann sieht man das weder Ru noch Cn das Problem sind. Wer verheizt gerade die Menschen in der Us?....
Я работаю на компанию, которая разрабатывает авионику для Су-57, серийный самолёт покрыт специальным покрытием, оно супер гладкое и сборка серийного самолёта ведётся под жестким контролем...
2 SU-57e aircraft were delivered to China, one flew by itself, the other on a transport plane, in the form of a mock-up so that it could be seen on the stand. That is, the export version is worse than weapons and radar, but since these are just prototypes, they will not be sold, the main goal is to show the capabilities of the aircraft, and not some scratches or gaps, in any case, it is stupid to judge only by appearance. At the expense of rivets, the SU-25 has rivets almost everywhere, but even after hitting it, it managed to fly to the airfield, as well as the KA-52, which was hit in the tail section, could continue flying, the rivets did not interfere, the main thing is survival and characteristics.
Не копия, концепция и компоновка, это точно. Я видел як-141 живым и после того как его уронили на палубу и он сгорел, очень жаль было самолёт, он очень печально смотрелся на аэродроме, под чехлом, но весь перекошен. Жаль что его загубили.
@ Traitor Yeltsin and Co. launched CIA employees into the defense industry, research institutes, etc. Do you think they went there to have tea? It would be half the trouble if everything was limited to just the Yak-141. They stole technology wherever they could reach it. Look, Elon Musk still uses it, passing it off as “his own” P.S. Of course, they never captured the Yak-141 itself. We are talking about complete technical documentation.
I have to give credit where it's due; this guy is obviously knowledgeable, and he loves his country. I respect the fact that he mentioned it was a T-50 and not the Su-57. It's important to note that Russia was not there to sell the plane. Currently, there are 40 active Su-57s, and they just received a new batch. Additionally, they are building three new factories specifically for the Su-57. It's also worth mentioning that the actual Su-57 engines are not finished yet; they are currently using Su-35 engines for the mounting.
At that air show sure. But the f22 can do far more impressive maneuvers. I’ve seen videos where an f22 can release flares do a full stall loop over itself and intake its own flare smoke. I’ve yet to see this sort of thing from the F35 though. I doubt it’s nearly as maneuverable due to its single non thrust vectoring engine. Except on the B model.
Россия передала чертежи лучшего истребителя Китаю. Китай построил по чертежам, но получился паровоз. Предъявили русским - эй что за дела? Мы собираем истребитель по вашим чертежам, а у нас получается паровоз каждый раз! Русский инженер отвечает - в конце инструкции написано "нужно доработать напильником"
The Russians never show their best off publicly. This was an earlier prototype a flight demonstrator not a war plane. Anyone remember the first F-22? Almost a totally looking aircraft than the production version. I don't think this is as dramatic but still makes my point.
What someone can see as a poor quality might be an advantage in real war, Russia´s guns need far less maintainance and will not break so easy as USA´s weapons....,that is what matters in real war !!! We can see it in Ukraine !
Russians have literally been showing off their best for years and lying about it, telling people it is much better than it is and now we know for sure that they were lying because the performance of their systems in Ukraine is laughable. Stop it with your nonsense.
Imagine living in a world where the success or failure of weapons systems was measured purely by the “social media reaction” it provoked I’m sure the Russians wouldn’t be bothered at all - don’t think they have ever been concerned about weapons as fashion statements
Well, there is plenty of photos of both the F-22 and F-35 showing their fuselage screws, so I don't know what the fuss is about. Also, about the smoke engines, every jet fighter produce some in the lifetime of the engine. There is video of a F-22 doing a presentation with a smoke level as high as that Su-57 on the video. And just so you know, I'm not American nor Russian, so I don't have any horse on that race.
No, there aren't and just because you aren't American or Russian doesn't mean that you don't have any bias. There is an Italian youtuber that covers military matters and he is anti-american and you could be also or you could be pro china. Stop it with the nonsense.
11:40 , Good... We have all seen what a pilot is capable of on the "ridiculed" prototype Su-57. Chinese pilots did not show such tricks on their "brilliant masterpiece". I don't even know, if someone is able to perform Mozart on a tin can, then what will he perform on a perfect Stradivarius violin?
I mean… there isn’t even a dedicated J-20 or J-35 demo team, so it’s kind of unfair to throw jabs at the Chinese pilots for not having a comparable show lol. It takes massive amounts of planning, logistics, and practice to run a demo team, plenty of demo team pilots have told us that. The J-10 TVC demo years ago was well rehearsed and was insane, so I’m sure you can save your comments for when a real J-20 and J-35 demo team gives a show.
It's different emphasis .. China focus is on long range BVR missiles...not on impressive maneuverability ...they have demonstrated that agility using the j10 years ago simply to demonstrate they gave the tech know how and abilities
I also have the feeling that given an option to pick between any US fightr jet and the SU-57, the Patriot inside you willl pick the F-15 or 22, but the pilot inside you would leap into the 'Felon'.
It was shipped to China in a cargo plane so they had to disassemble and assemble it. Plus did anyone see the actual Airshow performance? It was dancing in the sky like a ballerina. No structural integrity issues. The guy flying it is a hell of a pilot for sure.
I know you cannot be on partial that's something you just have to realize. but you did it good job for a change. there was one thing if you see the SU-50 standing still in the air yes the engine smokes try to do the same thing with any other aircraft at the same altitude and you will probably crash.
любые двигатели в таком режиме будут дымить,просто прочие пилоты не выходят на такие запредельные для них режимы(поэтому их двигатели и не "дымят")-чтобы их самолёты не развалились на куски прямо во время шоу-у них очень большие ограничения от производителя,поэтому они и не могут повторить весь этот "балет" в исполнении Сергея.
The experts of the CFTA denied reports on the network, which said that, having arrived at the air show in Zhuhai, China, one of the prototypes of the T-50-4 allegedly has a so-called "bad stealth". "The visual comparison says that despite all the external similarities, the Su-57 aircraft, which is serially supplied to the troops, has a significant difference - a special coating to reduce its radar visibility. The prototype T-50-4 flying in Zhuhai does not have such a coating - the comparison clearly confirms this. Why a "naked" car from among the early prototypes was sent to the exhibition in China is rather a rhetorical question. It would be amazing if a complete serial secret fighter would be sent to a public exhibition abroad for all kinds of "groping" and measurements" This is to end any insinuations about "gaps and rivets". UPD : I did not immediately notice that I had thrown in the text in Russian. Fixed it
Which is crazy because I’ve been up close to F-35’s all the time at Sun n Fun and the EAA. They’re trying to hide the serial Su-57 as much as possible I think. There’s definitely something wrong with it that they don’t want people to know
the US doesnt really care about airshows, sure they would want a prettier aircraft but the actual capability is judged by its internal systems and missiles, J35 is a gimmick compared to the F35
@@hoghogwild Yeah, it wasn't really that good up until the 90s-00s, when B-2s and F-22s were entering. Really, it was a great project on stealth, but overall it wasn't a great aircraft.
@@shadooks4774 It really isn't crazy, even though it was "modern" for its time, it lacked RWR, basic things that even F-4Js in the 60s had, and this wouldn't compromise the aircraft much.
What someone can see as a poor quality might be an advantage in real war, Russia´s guns need far less maintainance and will not break so easy as USA´s weapons....,that is what matters in real war !!! We can see it in Ukraine !
@@mirekslechta7161 What we see in Ukraine are soviet era things exploding and lines moving slowly, the only real damage is done by either artillery, FAB’s or kamikaze drones only thing going for russian rubbish is the massive sovier era stocks
@@McDuggets What is happening in Ukraine is on scope and scale which NATO was not even able to imagine and has no answer to it. NATO has almost no ammo left, no artillerry , no tanks, no missilles to stand up Russia. Imagine, U. K. , or some people in U.K. want to fight Russia directly while only having 40(!) Chalanger tanks in working order :) Ridicul*us NATO is a paper tiger. Nato spent 2O years learning how to fight Afghan wedding parties and Iraqi villagers, because that is pretty much what NATO was doing. NATO forgot how to do a large scale ground combat. NATO even has no means to do large scale combat. China is there for Russia, Russia is there for China.... Who is there for USA? United Kingdom with their 40(!) Chalenger tanks in working order ??? Or Germany? Germany is not only 100% out of ammo, but on the top of that Germany was even bombed by USA!!!!(Nord Stream) Ridicul*us NATO, unfortunately still able to make the mess around the globe !!! Pay attention to the Houthis: If USA can not stop the Houthis, at what magical world are they living, that they believe they can fight Russia or China ? They can not even supply Ukraine with 155mm shells…
What is happening in Ukraine is on scope and scale which NATO was not even able to imagine and has no answer to it. NATO has almost no ammo left, no artillerry , no tanks, no missilles to stand up Russia. Imagine, U. K. , or some people in U.K. want to fight Russia directly while only having 40(!) Chalanger tanks in working order :) Ridicul*us NATO is a paper tiger. Nato spent 2O years learning how to fight Afghan wedding parties and Iraqi villagers, because that is pretty much what NATO was doing. NATO forgot how to do a large scale ground combat. NATO even has no means to do large scale combat. China is there for Russia, Russia is there for China.... Who is there for USA? United Kingdom with their 40(!) Chalenger tanks in working order ??? Or Germany? Germany is not only 100% out of ammo, but on the top of that Germany was even bombed by USA!!!!(Nord Stream) Ridicul*us NATO, unfortunately still able to make the mess around the globe !!! Pay attention to the Houthis: If USA can not stop the Houthis, at what magical world are they living, that they believe they can fight Russia or China ? They can not even supply Ukraine with 155mm shells…
Flying over contested airspace definitely does not prove stealthiness. I assume you're referring to the incident where the shot down their own drone? Ukrainian forces most likely had no assets in the area and weren't going to scramble their own fighters which would potentially put them in the range of Russian ground based AA missile batteries. The US, for example, has a LONG history of flying non stealth aircraft over enemy territory.
I'd say the J-20 and J-35 are not near peers but simply superior planes. Look at the evolution of the FC-31-->J-35, they essentially redesigned the entire plane. The US can't do anything like that, especially that quickly. China is also pushing out around 175-200 5th gen planes a year. They are destined to overtake the US as the preeminent world superpower. Some may argue about carriers but those will be easily sunk if the US tries anything against China. The future is stealth + AI driven long range drones and hypersonic missiles and icbms. PS I'm American. Just a realist.
China are decades behind USA technologically and the country did recently switch over to home made engines for their planes instead of russian junk - which tells us that their aircrafts are quite underpowered to the American stealth fighters, which can be seen with their inferior thrust-to-weight ratio. The estimated RCS, altough impressive is still inferior among Chinese planes compared to the american stealth fighters. And despite F22 being an old plane by now are it still better than anything the rest of the world got. And I do not believe China will overtake USA as the no1 super power in the world the coming 200 years. Because Chinas strong economic performance the last decades could be explained by the demographics of a young population. Much young people competing for the jobs meant low wages that were competative on world markets. And young people produce and consume a lot and therefore keep the wheels of the economy moving. But now are the young people soon getting old. And the one-child policy have prevented the creation of a new large generation of chinese to replace them. And the result is that china will have many old people and few young people. And that will create problems. GDP growth will slow down. Wages will go up as workers become fewer. And that will mean less taxes for the government while elderly care will suck up more money from the governments budget, money that could have gone to the military instead. Enviromental problems is also something that China needs to start dealing with. And the country sees its ally russia fall apart. And meanwhile are the rival India seeing its population growing larger than Chinas. USA have more of the advantages over China. It have a younger population. It have more of its own natural resources like oil and gas. It is long ahead technologically over China. And it is already an established world power with more allies. People already speak english worldwide and use the Dollar. And that will not just change over night.
@@АнастасияВалькитина-х8щ Its stealth altough impressive for being a new player in the aircraft manufacturing league, but it is still not nearly as good as that of F22 or F35. I am very skeptical about the data I see on the Chinese and russian warplanes. But now lets just for the sake of argument say that they are true. Then their RCS inferior as I said. But it is better than that on western 4.5 generation fighters however. And no, those planes are not even close to competing with F22 in stealth and thrust to weight ratio.
Американцу толь и остаётся искать косяки и придираться) Что покажет хвалёный F-35 или F-22, у которых не торчат болты и нет зазоров? Американцы как всегда все победили в Голливуде)
All the aircraft the SU-57, the J-20, the J-35 are all cool aircraft. The F-35 is very cool as well ngl. The B variant one of the cool things about it is due to the hovering factor.
Much of the factory and R&D cost was put into the F-22. The SU-57 could probably be made in any factory that makes jet fighters. The same thing happened with the Apache. The Apache D costs $68 million each and the superior Apache E costs $35 million each.
@@PhilippSeven The SU-57 is a rebranded T-50 PAK FA. India put some money into the R&D, but there isn't special tooling for the T-50 as there was the F-22 and the A-10.
Full production Felons do not exist. It remainds at around two dozen built in nearly two decades, which is a very "artisanal" process. To make up for the costs in machinery and tooling you have to make dozens per year.
I have to remind you guys, like most fighter programs. They are a work in progress, they evolve over time. China's J-20 and 35 will continue evolve over time faster than the Felon. So, the stealth aircraft you see now. Won't be the aircraft you'll see in 10 years. Remember both programs are relatively young programs. China's first test flight was just 13 years ago. So to get to Initial Operational Capability, high production level, is nothing less than a miracle. People say the J-35 is a copy, then the South Korean, Iranian, and Turkey's stealth fighters are a copy. There are only so many ways to skin a cat guys.
The engines are not "smoking". They are producing orange nitrogen dioxide which is an inescapable part of high temperature combustion. The only reasons it would produce more NOx is if the AFR of the charge is not homogenous during fuel flow increases, or if they're simply running hotter than American engines.
also the engine is a prototype and quite different in design , moreover the LPT is completly different from " release to production design" AL41. It has'n modular ignition in AB, basically it's similar a Full throttle in AB. Russia brings prototypes or not final design during the air shows in foreign countires.
The Su-57 stealth system counts not so much coverage and geometry, but the electronic warfare radio system. Absorbing the waves of the enemy radar analyzes the frequency and so on. And then emit radiation creating a false image of yourself. It can disappear, shift in coordinates, or even create a lot of clone illusions for itself. This technology is both cheaper and more efficient than spending billions on geometry, which also negatively affects aerodynamics and payload!
@@heinzletzte.6385 He got detected more from below when the bomb bay doors opened. I know the story also. That officer was an absolute wiz of an air defense officer. The pilot that got shot down and he are actually friends nowadays.
Capabilities aside, if we are going just by how good the plane looks, the SU-57 is king I think, followed closely by the F-22. To me, the Felon is the best looking fighter ever built lol. It might not be the best stealth fighter, but hey it's amazing for air shows. :) That falling leaf and those sick turns were amazing.
Look at the X-35 which was a pre-production of the F-35 that had exposed rivets screws and panels not fitted correctly. Test aircraft are meant to pulled apart, test new systems check optimal configs, quick turn around of replacing parts etc it's the very nature of a test platform. Also the other reason why they may have used the prototype might be so people can't gage on how well their stealth capabilities since they don't have radar dazzlers like the US use.
I don’t think China has threatened anyone. In the past 40 years, China has not invaded any country. China only has one overseas base in Djibouti. On the other hand, the United States has invaded many countries in the past 40 years and has hundreds of military bases overseas. Even though China owns J35.35 and I am not worried that the Chinese will invade us, but if there is unrest in my country or oil is discovered, American intervention will be inevitable.
So biased they been building so many bases in south sea and are pushing territory into indias border and all the other Asian countries 😂 and they have threatened the USA and taiwan alot
не переживай друг,у них кишка тонка вести бой с равным соперником,они лучше найдут страну марионетку для этого и будут снабжать ее оружием крича о демократии
@@MrGriff305-d3uU said "even a technical expert" wich he clearly is not otherwise he would be an aerospace engineer/designer. So Thoms comment is correct..
@@zombi111980 Thanks. Internet people are super smart. Because a fighter pilot is not an expert in fighter plane performance and function. I honestly didn't know. He has no reason to be sharing his knowledge with us. Thanks for clearing that up.
I imagine its like sending the YF-22 to an airshow. Still has all the bobbins on it from flight testing and yeah, slapped together. Su-57 has VHF radars on it's sides so I imagine its meant to mean a mobile VHF radar screen for stealth fighters and network that data to the s400, other fighters and assets
Диванные критики могут говорить и спорить про качество сборки сколь угодно долго, но пускай все другие"качественно собранные" истребители Ф -22, Ф -35, Рафаэль и другие, смогут повторить фигуры пилотажа, которые делает Су-57.
Great that you've covered this. I value your opinions. As for the Russians bringing 'The Mule' version to the show..well why not? And yes the Chinese 35 is definitely a better looking jet.
@@skayt35 Well that's what happened with automobiles. We trained them how to build them and now they know everything, they're telling us to take a hike.
А с чего это вы решили что этот показ для привлечения покупателей? Никто не собирается продавать Су57. Потому вам не покажут строевой самолет. Так же как американцы свой F22. Но даже лабораторный вариант говорит об очень больших возможностях этого самолëта. Он просто великолепен. Настоящие специалисты это поймут и задумаются. А что будут думать обыватели, это вобще не важно. Когда вы на выставке видите концепткар, это ведь не значит, что будет такой же в серии. 😁 в серии будет то, что необходимо и полезно.
Просто люди с увеличительным стеклом соринки в чужом глазу ищут, не мешай. Американец рассказывает, что про русских в китайских соц. сетях пишут. Ага, верим! Если два соседа дерутся, значит...... . Менталитет у них такой.
There's no denying that the mobility of the Su57 is really great but the Sukhoi design agency engineers seem to be stuck with the idea of close-range artillery battles. I think having a radar that detects very far away would see an enemy before they could spot you and fire a very fast missile that would hit him. There was no need for a close dogfight.
The J-35 is a Svelte Fat Amy clone. But yeah, it does look better. I don’t care how bad the build quality is on the SU-57 felon. It’s still one badass looking bird. And it’s definitely got the moves. Just a sexy plane. Despite perceived and obvious flaws.
@ that’s to give it “head on” stealth characteristics. It has to compensate for the thrust vectoring nozzles and other non-stealthy characteristics it has because of its performance capabilities.
ones upon a time in a far far Soviet Union tovarisch Mikoyan and tovarisch Gurevich (those comrad engineers that gave a name to the MiG firm) have bet on a bottle of fine Armenian коньяк that a brick can fly Mach 3.5 ... and long story short - they made MiG-25
I wish I could attend that show. That is a lot of 5th Gen hardware flying around, and in the case of the Su-57, it has actual combat operations experience, and so far, no one has even seen it when it attacks. When I was a child in 1983, the US F-15 and F-16 had no real competition, even from France, UK, and Russia. This was years before the Typhoon, Rafale, Gripen,the Mig-29 was in pre-production, while the Su-27 was still a prototype. There was nothing on the earth that could even challenge the US Air Force. Now, there are so many planes capable of defeating the F-22 and F-35, I cannot even count them all. A lot has changed in 40 years...
Прежде чем писать глупости, вам стоило бы запросить у гугла, годы производства ф 15, ф16, су 27 и миг 29.)) СУ 27, 1977 год, ф 15 1976 год и ф 16, 1978 год, о каком превосходстве вы говорите?😂.
Appearance isnt everything, but if they hadnt tried to make the F-35 as short as an F-16, it wouldnt look so fat. The F-35 is 10-11 feet shorter than a Super Hornet, and almost 12 feet shorter than a Raptor. Extend out the F-35 body a bit, even just a few extra feet, and it would seem a bit sleeker.
Быстрая посадка у нас называется "афганский манёвр" (пижонский манёвр) , его применяли на транспортных самолётах когда действовали диверсанты вблизи аэродромов.
The guy piloting is 62, not even joking. One hell of a pilot.
Yeah he's been a test pilot for UAC for a long time.
becasue all the younger pilots are dead....
When you hold down a job that long, you probably can't imagine being anything else.
Words has it he didn't even wear those g-suits
@@liesterminator153 tbf those manuevers are not high g, but impressive none the less.
Даже с торчащими болтами и заклёпками он летает лучше всех в мире и это факт
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он летает "лучше всех" потому что это единственное что на нём можно показать, а по сути это старая летающая железяка не имеющая отношения к современной боевой авиации в которой фигуры пилотажа играют значение равное нулю. эта хрень из говна и палок продует любой современной системе ведения боя, причем быстро и гарантировано
@@izzione17
Это прототип без снаряжения и секретного оборудования, просто показ для зрителей, а реально боевые снаряжённые оборудованием, сейчас участвуют в боевых действиях и очень хорошо себя показывают, причем достаточно давно они там находятся.
yet only Algeria wanted to buy it?
The Swedes in 1242: these Russians
don't even have armor. There's nothing to worry about. The French in 1812: Look at the Russian artillery - I throw a stone further. What's there to be afraid of? Germans, Hungarians, Finns and Italians in 1941: T-34? Look at the welding quality and the cannon - this tank is barely moving, how are they going to beat us, with our real European quality? USA in 2024: look at this. There is poor build and fit quality. There's nothing to be afraid of!
Dear west...Has history really taught anyone anything yet?
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The same thing that happened back then is happening now. Russia is willing and stupid enough to sacrifice as many of their soldiers as it takes to win. Hard to beat an opponent that doesnt care about its soldiers since they will be sent in wave after wave to die. We are stupid though cuz we see how many Russians are dying for useless land and keep thinking Russia cant possibly send more people to die but every time they do. The really sad part is they are all dying for the dumbest reason possible. Russia can give a fuck less about ukraines nazi problem and just want the natural resources.
1242 - Novgorodians, not Russians.
1812 - The Iberian Peninsula war, Egypt and Trafalgar might have had something to do with that. Blücher and Wellington deserve just as much credit as Kutuzov.
1941 - Arctic Convoy go brr, elbow-dropping the odd U-Boat or two as they go. And as for the Winter War...
True that, 2024 Armata, T-80s are jokes😂
@pustelga45
Great info on the early racists.I am reading about those misconceptions for the first time. 😀
Because of this racism the west ignores facts to fit their misconceptions.
Guderian said in his memoirs. After looking at the T34 he said untill today we had technical superiority. From now on the Russians have technical superiority. The old warrior wanted the T34 copied part for part. The Germans were too arrogant to accept that. Also they did not have the diesel engine for it.
Racists will be racists.
Ukrainian stupidity is also based on their racism. Who else who having known Russian technical capability would side with a power 8000 miles away to destroy a country on its doorstep.
Every economic advantage could have been gained by working with Russia.
Racists will be racists.
当世界孤立俄罗斯，中国不会，因为俄罗斯是中国航天的老师，所以在中国珠海航空展，中国照例会邀请俄罗斯战机参展，有意思的是俄罗斯飞行员比较关注su27的中国型号，因为中国人已经把su27改进了十几个型号，里面有一个颗螺丝钉来自俄罗斯，su27这架经典俄罗斯战斗机是中国人设计战斗机的第一架开源战斗机，在中国有两条生产线。没有su27，不会有中国任何一架战斗机。
Это точно. Причем это касается не только самолётов но и любой другой техники. Что говорить, если ВСЮ оборонную промышленность Китая построил СССР...
哟，中文说的真6
请你换一个更好的翻译软件
Мне нравится что происходит что то новое!Россия и Китай ещё удивят мир)
@@МескалитоПейот The Russians keep bragging. Stop with the empty talk and show some real evidence already. And even if we assume that back in the 1950s your Soviet Union helped build their military industry, what on earth does that have to do with modern military technology? Are you being naive or just dishonest? This isn’t how you earn respect.
Not getting into technology and politics I think the Su57 is a great looking aircraft.
getting into technology and politics, its still a great looking aircraft
It isn't good looking it looks like somebody squashed it.
@@leight420 beyond restarted comment.
@@thomgizziz oh yeahh .. and the F35B is SUCH a looker aint it ....inflated flying frankfurter
@@kittyhawk9707 Why didn't you say F-22? Oh because it would make you look like a clown.
Sergei Bogdan is sukhoi's test pilot who do these demo's. One of the best test pilots ever.
I saw him flying the su35 during Paris airshow in 2013 . ( also the plane on my profile picture )
He got the nick name " the show stopper " after his demo . Because all activities stopped on the ground during his demo. Everyone was looking in the air....
The best solo display I ever saw.
Otherwise thanks Mover for the very nice neutral analysis. Thanks for that one . Keep on with the good work .
You forgot to say that he is 62 years old.
@DimitryrubyRUS jup I forgot to mention it. But someone already said it in the comments .
real life maveric ❤
@@DimitryrubyRUS Мне 43,Форд фокус с соблюдением скоростного режима) И то давление шалит...
Russia was not there to sell SU57, just to show of friendship with China.
Kinda wrong..zhuhai airshow is still the only venue available now to showcase Russian jets for sale
@@liesterminator153I’m pretty sure that a country like Russia surely has its own Air shows and exhibitions
@notenote2004 u forget Russia is a sanctioned country now and many would be hesitate to attend Russias air show
@@liesterminator153 The Felon is not for sale.
@@AndyFromBeaverton Really? Initially it was developed with India involvement. It was meant to be a key export customer for Su-57.
Perhaps, the prototype of the Su-57 was deliberately chosen just for the purpose of public relations. The fact that such close physical access was permitted suggests this. I don't think, a production model meant for actual combat would have been given such access to the public.
It could be the Russian "M" (Monkey) version supposed tactic. Where they create with export "m" version of the equipment as in case of T-72M tanks illusion of lower quality products and then they surprise the opponent on the actual battlefield with the equipment of much better combat capabilities than expected.
Again, it is completely counterproductive in regards to propaganda, market sales and reputation, and Russians are good in propaganda.
It is a prototype its called t50. You can even find side by side comparisons su57 body shape is quite different than t50 *(this one) the stealth features are greatly improved in production model, you can google side to side comparisons, su57 is alot tighter, with ram coatings, no exposed rivets and more sleek design, you can just write "su57 vs t50 side to side comparison".
@@zerobudget8355 That's right, the production aircraft does not have those visible screws, they sent it to the T-50, good observation.
I had the same idea. But an other possibility is that the combat ready ones are all being used because the Russian air force is stretched thin.
@@Yamato980.. Russians good in propaganda..?
By whom ?
Their media ..their films...their celebs..?
Man these Russian pilots can fly it looks like a game 😮
And the pilot is 62 years old
Представь умеем, это не кинчик про топган снимать😂😂😂
@@Сергей-29 здесь лучше с "горячими головами“ сравнивать 😂
Just gotta laugh at all the armchair clowns who believe they can determine a vehicles full capability by simply looking at a picture.
That's how most weapons are sold around the world. That's why some leaders cry when they actually get the product.
Didnt have to wait long lol, armchair politicians also arrived
@@horrorkek9340 armchair politicians are great - they know what they want and it's good to talk about things - Just because you do or don't agree with them doesn't make them right or wrong. There is a big difference between expressing one's views and opinion as compared to assessing combat capabilities based off photo's
Westerners have a morbid need to ridicule Russians. Psychology explains this as a pathological fear of Russia. Having ridiculed your fear, it becomes easier and not so scary...
Gotta laugh that there is always the one turd that cannot help himself and roll out the “armchair” comment while simultaneously hinting at have advanced knowledge of the subject matter.
What is this discussion about quality all about? Completely pointless! The past has shown that Russian aircraft are absolutely world class - and the economic conditions have improved greatly in recent years. Ultimately, the Russians build as they always have, pragmatically and functionally - but they never forget the aesthetics of the aircraft.
Всё что летает - эстетично. А неэстетичное не полетит.
@@TokoreWслова Туполева
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When I watch videos "from there", I always see rusty things. Sometimes the Russian tanks look like a gypsy camp, sometimes the planes are crooked, sometimes machine guns. Their guns were designed and built under Stalin... And it all works, it shoots and hits. In all the videos from the front, I hear this hum of rusty Russian iron.
Here, one Ukrainian soldier said that the wonderful American Abrams have a habit of stopping right during an attack, the filters are low or the fuel is not so clean, but stopping a tank during a fight is a minus for the tank. Failure of a weapon that cannot function normally in the conditions of the "Verdun meat grinder" is a minus for the fighter.
And yes, the plane from the discussions is one of the flying prototypes, it has been redesigned many times. In any case, even if it is ugly (and it is beautiful), it will be able to shoot.
I am proud that I am Russian, since we are still a country that can do it in the fifth generation, there are only 3 such countries.
If you come to a show like that be prepared for espionage, so I see nothing bad in showing a prototype. It demonstrates flying capabilities of serial model (which is btw equipped with another newer engine AL51F, while prototype flies on AL31F or AL41F).
So sofa warlords can laugh as long as they wish, but the truth is that aircraft flies like an angel, so imagine how serial model with better engines can fly.
There's nothing even close in the air that can fly like Su-57, that's the fact.
engine still is 117S
@@王安澜-m1u maybe, but it's previous generation engine. Serial fighters have new engines.
They must have some smoking hot refrigerators and vacuum cleaners in Russia if they built that beauty of a SU-57 out of cannibalized chips.
They likely have a supply from the same way the US sourced titanium from Russia during the Cold War.
Not enough for mass production but if you only need a dozen you can make it work.
@@JustanotherconsumerWe probably do a lot of things ourselves. Our scientific and industrial base is probably not so bad. Even my company makes microchips themselves). Stop your fantasies about Russian bears and men in fur hats. 😁
Russia is completely satisfied with the supply of high-tech equipment. Sanctions were invented for gullible fools. We have the latest models of chips, processors, household appliances, computers, even the latest versions of Apple devices appear in Russia earlier than in the USA thanks to corruption, which bypasses all prohibitions.
First flight 29 January 2010; 14 years ago
could even use western parts, if it has internal system designs that are advanced enough
Do they mass produce it ? Nope... and there you have your answer 😉
In the real world, this plane flies in a way that no american plane can, and that's the main thing.
In the real world, its flight characteristics can only be used for airshows, they are useless in combat
@@costyapetrov1067 all American jets have been used against outdated jets and insurgents but in real life they don’t want to put it against a real adversary. Bring the F35 against a SU57 and you will see that F35 is an over advertised junk
@@costyapetrov1067 это не так
@@costyapetrov1067это как Абрамсы, челенджеры и леопарды догорающие в степях Украины от обычного дрона за 2000$, вот тебе реальность. 😂
Кстати, в Москве специально на них смотрел, там целая выставка вашего хлама из НАТО. 😂
When it's exploding from a missile shot from 10 miles away, a few acrobatic maneuvers don't matter.
I find this funny, a US citizen talking about build quality when your "most advanced fighter" the F-35 is rusting, roting and loosing their paint job because of ocean-air, where they were build to serve....
Ocean air affects everything, why do you think it should be different?
Go compare Russian Subs with Western Subs and then talk about rust.
@@MultiVeetaRussian titanium and rubber do not rust
@@MultiVeetaRUSSIA POWER 🇷🇺💪
А еще отлетают куски от F-35 прямо в полете, как это было у японцев
The US Air Force is a sun shine Air Force. The paintjob on the F35 is part of the stealh Tech for the fighter. So if its a rainy day they wont attack.
Ну ребята, вы даете! Железо не понравилось? Не на железо надо смотреть, а в небо, на длину разбега, углы атаки, время полного виража и.т.д. Где вы еще видели такого акробата? С такой техникой справится любой летчик, с малым налетом. Самолет простит любые ошибки, выручит, сохранит жизнь летчику. Разве не это важно? Про вооружение промолчу.
А нам с вами лучше организовывать встречи за столом с вкусной едой и хорошими напитками, чем в воздушном бою.
😊
Меня тоже всегда забавляла та тщательность, с которой янки шпаклюют и закрашивают все заклёпки на своей технике. Это ведь в разы увеличивает скорость ремонта. Зато выглядит красиво, а значит легче продать.
А еще бы хотелось посмотреть бы на ваши самолеты..и поугарать
Да они просто поняли, что ничего подобного никто в принципе не способен создать в мире кроме России, ,и что они скажут???
Airplanes have not been involved in dog fights for a long time; that’s a thing of the past. Have you seen how the F-16 shoots down Russian planes? At very long ranges, he simply launches an AIM-120 missile and returns to base. The essence of modern warfare is the stealth and range of an air-to-air missile. And all these tricks and acrobats are for tourists.
Это не их фуфлыжный фу 35)))))
Диванные комментаторы😂😂😂. СУ 57 это единственный самолет 5го поколения, подтвердивший все свои характеристики в реальной войне. Над Украиной они просто издеваются над Пэтриотами и Насамсами, которые его даже заметить не могут😂😂
Тихо гной! F22Raptor сотрёт в лёгкую твой су57!
Они не залетают за границы России и уж тем более в зону ПВО! А сбрасывать планирующие бомбочки издалека любой самолëт сможет
@@MrPipisco глупый гой ф22 Раптор сотрёт его и не заметит!!!😎🎉
А ты тип не диванный, все знаешь😅
@@qwertyuiopasdfhjkl бомбит у тебя?🤣
That Felon lands like you would in an older Battlefield game to rearm quickly.
It's almost like an eagle dropping in on its nest.
Hahaha I can definitely relate on that.
Hey there fellow battlefield 2 player
@@focusgaming5425 Didn't you just fly slowly over the airfield to rearm?
@@thejackal5099 ofcourse i do but land sometimes to repair if necessary
Tail number 054.
This is the fourth prototype assembled in 2012. All the hard modes have been practiced on him for more than 10 years, and he is still in great shape.
The spare aircraft (056) is the sixth prototype of 2016.
They do not want to show production aircraft in China, so as not to give away all the secrets, new engines, avionics, protection systems and so on.
China is already trying to copy everything that comes to hand.
J16 is a copy of the su.
J20 is a copy of the mig-1.44 .
J35 is a copy of the F35.
and so on
and they showed the su-57 at this air show not for the sake of advertising or sales (this aircraft is too good for export, it will not be sold to anyone for at least 15 more years, they are developing a less expensive and secret su-75 for export). They showed the Su-57 at this air show just as a sign of friendship with China
nice work
Very good point. Never give China access to your newest technology.
你应该好好去医院看看自己的脑子以及眼睛了😘
The fact is that Russia had signed a first contract on export version of Su-57E during this airshow. But number of planes and country which bought the planes were not announced.
Do they not want to show production aircraft in China, or are they afraid of embarrassing themselves? Are these clones that good?
I see nothing but admiration for the Su57's design and maneuverability all over the Chinese internet, no one's hating on or making fun of the Su57.
They do make fun of the F35 a lot tho, for being a fat ass and crashing everywhere, better check your sources.
Nationalities and politics aside, the Su57 is the best looking aircraft hands down
Judging by how well that Russian pilot flew into that approach I say it’s reasonable to assume it takes a lot of skill to perform those high alpha maneuvers.
Он воздушный ас, начинал служить еще при СССР, и стаж у него более 40 лет, он летает на всех типах как истребителях, так и гражданских самолётах!
This pilot is 62 years old.
This is not just prototype, this is the 54 blue, one of the first flying, tormented through thousands of flight hours and probably reassembled countless times. Ofc it's rough. Photos of proper serial Su-57s can be found online easily.
And even IN THIS VIDEO.
Someones upset that China is superior to broke little Russia haha.
Highly doubt that it has thousands of hours. The rest yes.
Practical build quality has been a mainstay of Russian aircraft for a long time. The only issue about the rough quality is with regard to stealth. And that’s been a know issue for a long time.
Failing left is cool, not necessarily an actual move needed in combat.
@@konekillerkingyeah stealth capabilities of Russian aircraft in general can be questioned, but the truth is that such things have to be a part of a country’s military doctrine. In USA it is, so you guys (sorry if I’m assuming you are American I don’t mean anything bad by it) pursue stealth, consider it valuable. And so on and so forth. In Russia, the military doctrine was last revised in the 90’s, but it never included stealth. We think it’s not worth the hassle due to stealth-detection technologies and so on and so forth. Me and you can argue forever who’s right and who’s wrong, it’s just a different approach to war.
@@nosku11about "military doctrine" you assume such information is public, it is not. If something is published it is uasually outdated.
СУ-57 плохой сборки, летает лучше чем любой серийный американский самолёт, хорошей сборки. По факту.
dream on buddy
@@michaele8442тебе мечтать то надо !
Главное у кого радар и вооружение лучше, никто в бою акробатикой не занимается.
@@3450P на текущий момент локаторы Су-35 и су-57 лучшие , ракета Р-37 самая дальнобойная . а акробатика показывает устойчивость и управляемость самолёта. Послушай что говорит С Богдан про воздушный бой , его мнение чего то стоит в отличии от твоего трепа.
@@3450P если бы было так как вы пишите, то никто бы не делал самолеты быстрее и маневринее. зачем делать что то маневринное, если можно на самолете 3 поколения поставить радар и ракеты😀. вы не сможете просто выпустить ракету и быть увереным в том, что она попадет, ракета очень не маневринное средство доставки.
It was not a SU-57. It was a T-50. They look remarkably similar, but they are different.
Yes T50 is the prototype and this is one of the earlier prototypes
Almost all of the T-50's were later upgraded to the Su-57.
0:58 Yes, he says that it's a T-50.
@@korana6308 Nop. the closest one(s) to a Su-57 might be the last prototypes, for manufacturing planning. The various prototypes are different from each other, as they were built to test different aspects of the aircraft during development. Some of the first ones even had to modify the rear part quite a bit to use different engines or stabilizers.
Perhaps only the last prototypes could be brought to the production standard, but I doubt they have done so or will do so.
The first series ones will be updated to the M standard.
@@mikes989 It was later modernized to the Su57 standard.
You are one of the few honest, common sense RUclipsrs. So many RUclipsrs are ignoring that the version seen is a prototype and assume that all of them are this poorly built.
100% agreed
But Prototypes are often better than production models, at least for Russia, the MiG25 scared the hell out of the west, so much the US made the F-15 and F-16 to counter it. The MiG25 broke all kinda records and sounded very dangerous. Turns out they had spent all their money on the prototypes, made of high quality materials, then when the west got their hand on the production model, they were many tons heavier, made of thick steel plates, engine wasn't as good. So for the MiG25(and 23 to some degree) the production models were of far far worse quality of the prototypes. Given the problems of sourcing high quality materials and technology for Russia now. I'm not sure you can expect the production models to be much better.
Okay. So we just assume the 3 "production" models are any better?
@@Gunfreak19prototypes are prototypes for reason. They're not meant to be finished
@@Gunfreak19 NOt necessarily. That's called generalization fallacy. Just because one prototype was like that doesn't mean all of them are. and this "sourcing problem" have been debunked many times already it's a meme; there's China, there's black market.
the su-57 rules the sky over ukraine, destroying enemy planes, atacking highly defended targets, and evading all nato radar systems awacs included no doubt the best 5 generation fighter.
Nice movie, but the SU-57 never downed a plane, or well the only thing a SU-57 downed is his own drone companion.
@dathit7315 yeah right!!!!!
Its one of the original 1st stage prototypes, its been disassembled/reassembled many times since those prototypes were made for structural testing. Im not even sure it has the electronics and weapons bay installed. It actually looks damn good for what it is.
What someone can see as a poor quality might be an advantage in real war, Russia´s guns need far less maintainance and will not break so easy as USA´s weapons....,that is what matters in real war !!! We can see it in Ukraine !
@@mirekslechta7161 That is a PROTOTYPE. It's bad built quality by the definition.
They didn't even brought the radar to the airshow lol.
Itulah alasan mengapa T50 memakai sekerup.....😊
@@VIPER276 ......Me when a prototype for testing, is a prototype for testing🤯
that falling leaf is craaaazy looking. Damn
Yeah it'll be even more crazy when they pull that and get waxed half way through.
@@thomgizziz Somebody is having angry fantasies again 😂
@@m.g7809 If you think falling weird is going to stop modern missiles from hitting you then you haven't been paying attention. Active and passive denial is about all you have, unless you are on the outskirts of the missile's range then you punch it and hope you get out of it's range.
Also what is this about being angry? Are you projecting?
@@thomgizzizat least it has the 101KS-0 to count IR missile's. Plus a side mounted radar means it can track and guide it's missile's while notching.
@@thomgizzizyou actually think that in a real dogfight, they gonna pull that maneuver off? It's just a demonstration of the aircraft stability and it look cool at airshow. Take a chill pill
Well, I’ve performed many close inspections of active, in service Russian aircraft. Their construction techniques and quality standards are equal to or better than the U.S. manufactured equipment. Some of there design architecture may seem antiquated, but their design philosophy is is geared more toward robustness not aesthetics. If you underestimate Russian equipment, it will be to your disadvantage.
Они сколько угодно могут смеяться над торчащими болтами и некачественными стыками элементов на этом прототипе,но ни один их самолёт(и даже тот же Раптор),даже без всех этих недостатков не способен повторить большинства манёвров,виртуозно проделываемых этим пилотом на этом несерийном самолёте.
Post stall menuvers, the cobra, and all those other fancy slow speed acrobatics... will get you quickly killed in a real fight. .
Let's reproduce maneuvers that get you killed in combat.
BVR does not care about fancy moves
@@RikkiSan1 This is airshow, bro. You cant lanch missiles to have a BVR battle in the airshow. This is why the russians bring their T-50 to zhuhai. Actually, they did a great job.
@@evilshews в реальном бою больше шансов на победу имеет тот пилот,который обладает большим мастерством пилотирования и знает на что способен его самолёт на критических режимах и я более чем уверен,что пилот Раптора в 90% случаев предпочтёт свалить по-быстрому,отказавшись от прямого боя,зная,что не сможет ни сам переиграть такого противника,ни его самолёт,если случайно в пылу боя выйдет на запредельные режимы-он знает что его самолёт попросту развалится в воздухе,поэтому будет сильно ограничен в возможностях.А тот,кто сильно осторожничает-тот проигрывает при прочих равных условиях.Все великие асы потому и стали таковыми,потому что позволяли себе действовать нестандартно,рисковали и использовали возможности своего самолёта на все 100%(и зачастую-даже пилотируя самолёт с худшими чем у противника характеристиками-но они знали и умели им виртуозно управлять).
А то что "медленных быстро убьют"-а ты попробуй возьми в прицел цель,летя на ну к примеру 900 км/ч,когда твой противник,летя впереди тебя-внезапно с переворотом проваливается вниз и заходит тебе в хвост-ты в кого тогда целиться-то будешь?А ведь при этом манёвре ещё и сам самолёт противника должен не развалиться-и именно это и демонстрирует пилот Су 57-самолёт остаётся целым и его двигатели не захлебнулись и не заглохли от таких манёвров(ведь на то,чтобы их перезапустить тоже нужно время,которого может как раз хватить,чтобы падающий самолёт поразили).Ты оцениваешь это видео как дилетант,а вот опытные пилоты говорят что это всё нереально-они-то точно знают что не смогут повторить этого на своих самолётах,считающимися самыми лучшими в мире.Были же тренировочные бои ещё с Су 27,пилоты которых в подавляющем большинстве случаев побеждали своих противников на западных самолётах.А Су 57-это машина ещё более высокого класса.
At least Su57 already in real combat, not just shooting some balloon 😂😂😂
Being destroyed at an airfield doesn't mean that the Su-57 has been in "real" combat xD
@@JazzJaRa так речь и не об этом. Да и с чего ты решил, что тогда он был уничтожен?
Когда это 57 сбивали, напомни?
@@РаульМухамедов-о2м якобы его повредили на аэродроме. Но это не точно. Но если и да, то хз почему уничтожили. Чел походу про ремонт не слыхал.
Where is the real combat? shooting their own drone companion? is that real combat?
Привет из России дружище 🤝 хорошо, то что ты хотя бы говоришь о том, что это прототип. А 99% остальных «как будь то экспертов» специально замалчивают это. Эта полетная модель, построена почти 15 лет назад.
Выше в комментариях написано, что конечно же самолет отправлен не для продажи.
T-50-4 prototype was flown down for aerial display purpose, one serial Su-57E (export) was shipped down by air transport for the static (sales) display, this aircraft has not been uncovered for public viewing as of yet, it will be at the opening 12/11/2024. There are no classified VKS Felons at the show.
+. The prototype of the PAK-FA program has been officially presented, T-50-4 (2009). It's NOT serial Su-57. It is enough to check the ship's side number (054) so as not to mislead the audience.
@@UncleDjad Come on russia you need to get better shills, this one can't even read and understand what is being said correctly.
FYI, there are videos coming out of Russia of the Checkmate flying around
@@thomgizziz cope and seethe nazi
No excuses, it looks like it was whittled out of clay by 5-year-olds. No American manufacturer would ever make that sad excuse of a prototype. Look at the prototypes of the F-22 and f-35. They were gorgeous, like something from another world. Not even close.
People love to hate. There is no need for facts or truth to back what they chose to enact their hate
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Koo! Koo!
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This must be a capitalist country!
опять наши швы не нравятся помниться Гудериан тоже смеялся над швами и заклепками Т-34
As a Chinese, I'm happy to see how fast the Chinese military has developed. But I hope the J35 will never need to fight against the F35. I also hope that one day, the SU57&75, the J20&35, and the F22&35 can appear at the same airshow for people to enjoy.
"Siri, play Imagine by John Lennon."
No one wants to fight but goverments do. Sometimes it’s necessary to maintain peace and balance and sometimes it’s useless.
@@Garret141076I dunno those volunteering to fight in Ukraine seem to want to.
Так точно 😊
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Definitiv the best comment! Man muss nur wissen wer die meisten Kriege der letzten 80 Jahre angefangen hatte , dann sieht man das weder Ru noch Cn das Problem sind. Wer verheizt gerade die Menschen in der Us?....
Я работаю на компанию, которая разрабатывает авионику для Су-57, серийный самолёт покрыт специальным покрытием, оно супер гладкое и сборка серийного самолёта ведётся под жестким контролем...
Товарищи уже выехали
Товарищ, помни: Болтун - находка для шпиона :D Особенно с ФИО)
I bet you do future sunflower
兄弟，小心美国特工找你，不要网上发布这种容易被美国特工盯上的内容。
Язык твой - враг твой))
2 SU-57e aircraft were delivered to China, one flew by itself, the other on a transport plane, in the form of a mock-up so that it could be seen on the stand. That is, the export version is worse than weapons and radar, but since these are just prototypes, they will not be sold, the main goal is to show the capabilities of the aircraft, and not some scratches or gaps, in any case, it is stupid to judge only by appearance. At the expense of rivets, the SU-25 has rivets almost everywhere, but even after hitting it, it managed to fly to the airfield, as well as the KA-52, which was hit in the tail section, could continue flying, the rivets did not interfere, the main thing is survival and characteristics.
Everything about that aircraft is beautiful, i love the obvious mechanical aspect of it....the design is beautiful.
F35 is copies of Yak141
не копия! но много чего взято из советского наследия!
Не копия, концепция и компоновка, это точно. Я видел як-141 живым и после того как его уронили на палубу и он сгорел, очень жаль было самолёт, он очень печально смотрелся на аэродроме, под чехлом, но весь перекошен. Жаль что его загубили.
@@xinyiquan666 not 100% copy but yes, they stole the Yak-141 technology and made the F-35
@@МескалитоПейот Stole? They never captured Yak-141. Yak-141 was so unstable it was deemed unsafe.
@ Traitor Yeltsin and Co. launched CIA employees into the defense industry, research institutes, etc. Do you think they went there to have tea? It would be half the trouble if everything was limited to just the Yak-141. They stole technology wherever they could reach it. Look, Elon Musk still uses it, passing it off as “his own”
P.S. Of course, they never captured the Yak-141 itself. We are talking about complete technical documentation.
I have to give credit where it's due; this guy is obviously knowledgeable, and he loves his country. I respect the fact that he mentioned it was a T-50 and not the Su-57. It's important to note that Russia was not there to sell the plane. Currently, there are 40 active Su-57s, and they just received a new batch. Additionally, they are building three new factories specifically for the Su-57. It's also worth mentioning that the actual Su-57 engines are not finished yet; they are currently using Su-35 engines for the mounting.
Image what the production aircraft can do ;)
It’s flying unbelievable. I don’t think any other aircraft can do those kind of maneuvers at the airshow.
in fact, Su-35 can do better.
@Nowayout365 airshow and air combat are very different,but they do look good
@@leonleeoff2216 oh yeah, I understand it’s like a game and a practice..!!!!
@@Grom0zeka I doubt that really, the Su-35S is quite a bit heavier than the Su-57/T-50 prototypes.
At that air show sure. But the f22 can do far more impressive maneuvers. I’ve seen videos where an f22 can release flares do a full stall loop over itself and intake its own flare smoke. I’ve yet to see this sort of thing from the F35 though. I doubt it’s nearly as maneuverable due to its single non thrust vectoring engine. Except on the B model.
no matter how hard they cry, the SU-57 is clearly the best in class 😭😭😭
LOl you think that airplane is best in what exactly and how did you measure that.
What class, Generation 4.5 (barely)? 🤣😂
The class is Analogov Net Unikalniy Samolet, also known as A.N.U.S.
@@CarbideSix Gen 4.1 more like it.
@@CarbideSixтогда ф-22 и ф-35 тянут только на 3+
Россия передала чертежи лучшего истребителя Китаю. Китай построил по чертежам, но получился паровоз. Предъявили русским - эй что за дела? Мы собираем истребитель по вашим чертежам, а у нас получается паровоз каждый раз! Русский инженер отвечает - в конце инструкции написано "нужно доработать напильником"
или перевернуть чертеж)
The Russians never show their best off publicly. This was an earlier prototype a flight demonstrator not a war plane. Anyone remember the first F-22? Almost a totally looking aircraft than the production version. I don't think this is as dramatic but still makes my point.
What someone can see as a poor quality might be an advantage in real war, Russia´s guns need far less maintainance and will not break so easy as USA´s weapons....,that is what matters in real war !!! We can see it in Ukraine !
It's the T-50 PAK FA which was renamed for PR reasons. Rebranding is a thing, even in Russia.
Russians have literally been showing off their best for years and lying about it, telling people it is much better than it is and now we know for sure that they were lying because the performance of their systems in Ukraine is laughable. Stop it with your nonsense.
Really?? 😂
@@leonleeoff2216 nothing to say something else, taras? xD
Nearly everyone on Chinese social media is impressed by su-57, the performance is hardcore
Thanks for being open and honest. Russia is not there to sell this aircraft to the Chinese. It is just there for the airshow which it did brilliantly.
Imagine living in a world where the success or failure of weapons systems was measured purely by the “social media reaction” it provoked
I’m sure the Russians wouldn’t be bothered at all - don’t think they have ever been concerned about weapons as fashion statements
It’s not irrelevant.
Deterrence and intimidation are very real parts of warfare.
Well, there is plenty of photos of both the F-22 and F-35 showing their fuselage screws, so I don't know what the fuss is about. Also, about the smoke engines, every jet fighter produce some in the lifetime of the engine. There is video of a F-22 doing a presentation with a smoke level as high as that Su-57 on the video.
And just so you know, I'm not American nor Russian, so I don't have any horse on that race.
it's a diesel fuel jet
No, there aren't and just because you aren't American or Russian doesn't mean that you don't have any bias. There is an Italian youtuber that covers military matters and he is anti-american and you could be also or you could be pro china. Stop it with the nonsense.
@@thomgizziz
Он написал правду.
@thomgizziz anyone who doesn't support everything US is anti US don't worry america have the best of everything Russian jets are crap 😂
@@thomgizzizIf someone writes something you don’t like he is automatically anti-American or pro-Chinese/Russian? lol
j35 is so sleeker than the f35. beautiful airframe.
Помните, когда китайцы нанесли хакерскую атаку на компанию по выпуску этого истребителя, они украли материалы, и сделали копию!
Flies faster too.
@@ЮрийКуличев-ж6о BS, sour AF
幽默毛子@@ЮрийКуличев-ж6о
@@ЮрийКуличев-ж6о 你真幽默
11:40 , Good... We have all seen what a pilot is capable of on the "ridiculed" prototype Su-57. Chinese pilots did not show such tricks on their "brilliant masterpiece". I don't even know, if someone is able to perform Mozart on a tin can, then what will he perform on a perfect Stradivarius violin?
I mean… there isn’t even a dedicated J-20 or J-35 demo team, so it’s kind of unfair to throw jabs at the Chinese pilots for not having a comparable show lol. It takes massive amounts of planning, logistics, and practice to run a demo team, plenty of demo team pilots have told us that. The J-10 TVC demo years ago was well rehearsed and was insane, so I’m sure you can save your comments for when a real J-20 and J-35 demo team gives a show.
It's different emphasis .. China focus is on long range BVR missiles...not on impressive maneuverability ...they have demonstrated that agility using the j10 years ago simply to demonstrate they gave the tech know how and abilities
I also have the feeling that given an option to pick between any US fightr jet and the SU-57, the Patriot inside you willl pick the F-15 or 22, but the pilot inside you would leap into the 'Felon'.
That is NOT a SU-57, it is a 50, an old prototype
It was shipped to China in a cargo plane so they had to disassemble and assemble it. Plus did anyone see the actual Airshow performance? It was dancing in the sky like a ballerina. No structural integrity issues. The guy flying it is a hell of a pilot for sure.
Nope, this one was flown to China. A disassembled mock-up was also shipped to China.
He flown 4k km from Russia to china .
Wow. Didn’t know that. Thanks for sharing
@@bukhariali71 да,подтверждаю
I know you cannot be on partial that's something you just have to realize. but you did it good job for a change. there was one thing if you see the SU-50 standing still in the air yes the engine smokes try to do the same thing with any other aircraft at the same altitude and you will probably crash.
любые двигатели в таком режиме будут дымить,просто прочие пилоты не выходят на такие запредельные для них режимы(поэтому их двигатели и не "дымят")-чтобы их самолёты не развалились на куски прямо во время шоу-у них очень большие ограничения от производителя,поэтому они и не могут повторить весь этот "балет" в исполнении Сергея.
Did you see how this plane fly in the sky? Tell me which plane in the west can preform this flaying?
Instant armchair experts here
A lot of it seems to be people cheering for their country's tech. Severely understimating other countries and overinflating their technology.
T-50-7 never flew. Its as old as early T-50 and was build to show system integrations...
right, its a non flyable prototype for display
The experts of the CFTA denied reports on the network, which said that, having arrived at the air show in Zhuhai, China, one of the prototypes of the T-50-4 allegedly has a so-called "bad stealth".
"The visual comparison says that despite all the external similarities, the Su-57 aircraft, which is serially supplied to the troops, has a significant difference - a special coating to reduce its radar visibility. The prototype T-50-4 flying in Zhuhai does not have such a coating - the comparison clearly confirms this. Why a "naked" car from among the early prototypes was sent to the exhibition in China is rather a rhetorical question. It would be amazing if a complete serial secret fighter would be sent to a public exhibition abroad for all kinds of "groping" and measurements" This is to end any insinuations about "gaps and rivets". UPD : I did not immediately notice that I had thrown in the text in Russian. Fixed it
Which is crazy because I’ve been up close to F-35’s all the time at Sun n Fun and the EAA. They’re trying to hide the serial Su-57 as much as possible I think. There’s definitely something wrong with it that they don’t want people to know
seems like the russians obviously wanted their stealth coating paint to be kept secret. so stripped it all off and sent a naked version.
That J-35 looks exactly what i wanted the F-35 to look like
They look almost identical
@@ronix-p7qOnly through the untrained eye.
@@ronix-p7qyeah, they both have wings
@@ronix-p7q Boeing and Airbus, aren't they similar?
the US doesnt really care about airshows, sure they would want a prettier aircraft but the actual capability is judged by its internal systems and missiles, J35 is a gimmick compared to the F35
I remember seeing the F-117 at Miramar in the 90s. You couldn't get within 25 yards of the thing, and it was surrounded by armed guards.
And that's over a decade after it entered service. It was one of the "blackest" projects ever.
@@hoghogwild Yeah, it wasn't really that good up until the 90s-00s, when B-2s and F-22s were entering. Really, it was a great project on stealth, but overall it wasn't a great aircraft.
@@M16_Akula-IIIcrazy take 💀
@@shadooks4774 It really isn't crazy, even though it was "modern" for its time, it lacked RWR, basic things that even F-4Js in the 60s had, and this wouldn't compromise the aircraft much.
F35 may be ugly, but she is a super model compared to the X32 she flew off against.
the new su 75 checkmate looks a bit like x32
What someone can see as a poor quality might be an advantage in real war, Russia´s guns need far less maintainance and will not break so easy as USA´s weapons....,that is what matters in real war !!! We can see it in Ukraine !
@@mirekslechta7161 What we see in Ukraine are soviet era things exploding and lines moving slowly, the only real damage is done by either artillery, FAB’s or kamikaze drones only thing going for russian rubbish is the massive sovier era stocks
@@McDuggets What is happening in Ukraine is on scope and scale which NATO was not even able to imagine and has no answer to it. NATO has almost no ammo left, no artillerry , no tanks, no missilles to stand up Russia. Imagine, U. K. , or some people in U.K. want to fight Russia directly while only having 40(!) Chalanger tanks in working order :) Ridicul*us NATO is a paper tiger. Nato spent 2O years learning how to fight Afghan wedding parties and Iraqi villagers, because that is pretty much what NATO was doing. NATO forgot how to do a large scale ground combat. NATO even has no means to do large scale combat. China is there for Russia, Russia is there for China.... Who is there for USA? United Kingdom with their 40(!) Chalenger tanks in working order ??? Or Germany? Germany is not only 100% out of ammo, but on the top of that Germany was even bombed by USA!!!!(Nord Stream) Ridicul*us NATO, unfortunately still able to make the mess around the globe !!! Pay attention to the Houthis: If USA can not stop the Houthis, at what magical world are they living, that they believe they can fight Russia or China ? They can not even supply Ukraine with 155mm shells…
What is happening in Ukraine is on scope and scale which NATO was not even able to imagine and has no answer to it. NATO has almost no ammo left, no artillerry , no tanks, no missilles to stand up Russia. Imagine, U. K. , or some people in U.K. want to fight Russia directly while only having 40(!) Chalanger tanks in working order :) Ridicul*us NATO is a paper tiger. Nato spent 2O years learning how to fight Afghan wedding parties and Iraqi villagers, because that is pretty much what NATO was doing. NATO forgot how to do a large scale ground combat. NATO even has no means to do large scale combat. China is there for Russia, Russia is there for China.... Who is there for USA? United Kingdom with their 40(!) Chalenger tanks in working order ??? Or Germany? Germany is not only 100% out of ammo, but on the top of that Germany was even bombed by USA!!!!(Nord Stream) Ridicul*us NATO, unfortunately still able to make the mess around the globe !!! Pay attention to the Houthis: If USA can not stop the Houthis, at what magical world are they living, that they believe they can fight Russia or China ? They can not even supply Ukraine with 155mm shells…
Well, production Su-57 was able to fly over one of the most contested airspace in the world completely unchallenged so I'd say it's pretty stealth
What are you referring to with that
With the source being a resounding trust me bro
lol rusbot lies are so damn hilarious
Flying over contested airspace definitely does not prove stealthiness. I assume you're referring to the incident where the shot down their own drone?
Ukrainian forces most likely had no assets in the area and weren't going to scramble their own fighters which would potentially put them in the range of Russian ground based AA missile batteries.
The US, for example, has a LONG history of flying non stealth aircraft over enemy territory.
Jeez the comments cope
I'd say the J-20 and J-35 are not near peers but simply superior planes. Look at the evolution of the FC-31-->J-35, they essentially redesigned the entire plane. The US can't do anything like that, especially that quickly. China is also pushing out around 175-200 5th gen planes a year. They are destined to overtake the US as the preeminent world superpower. Some may argue about carriers but those will be easily sunk if the US tries anything against China. The future is stealth + AI driven long range drones and hypersonic missiles and icbms.
PS I'm American. Just a realist.
China are decades behind USA technologically and the country did recently switch over to home made engines for their planes instead of russian junk - which tells us that their aircrafts are quite underpowered to the American stealth fighters, which can be seen with their inferior thrust-to-weight ratio.
The estimated RCS, altough impressive is still inferior among Chinese planes compared to the american stealth fighters. And despite F22 being an old plane by now are it still better than anything the rest of the world got.
And I do not believe China will overtake USA as the no1 super power in the world the coming 200 years. Because Chinas strong economic performance the last decades could be explained by the demographics of a young population. Much young people competing for the jobs meant low wages that were competative on world markets. And young people produce and consume a lot and therefore keep the wheels of the economy moving. But now are the young people soon getting old. And the one-child policy have prevented the creation of a new large generation of chinese to replace them. And the result is that china will have many old people and few young people.
And that will create problems. GDP growth will slow down. Wages will go up as workers become fewer. And that will mean less taxes for the government while elderly care will suck up more money from the governments budget, money that could have gone to the military instead.
Enviromental problems is also something that China needs to start dealing with. And the country sees its ally russia fall apart.
And meanwhile are the rival India seeing its population growing larger than Chinas.
USA have more of the advantages over China. It have a younger population. It have more of its own natural resources like oil and gas. It is long ahead technologically over China. And it is already an established world power with more allies. People already speak english worldwide and use the Dollar. And that will not just change over night.
@@nattygsbord США помрёт раньше. и США уже отстал технологически
@@nattygsbordТы бредишь, покажи примерно такие же возможности у Ф-35. Обычный спортивный самолётик доставщик ракет))
@@nattygsbordВыйди из дома и посмотри на инфраструктуру США 😂😂😂Потом приехай в Китай и Россию для сравнения)))
@@АнастасияВалькитина-х8щ
Its stealth altough impressive for being a new player in the aircraft manufacturing league, but it is still not nearly as good as that of F22 or F35.
I am very skeptical about the data I see on the Chinese and russian warplanes. But now lets just for the sake of argument say that they are true. Then their RCS inferior as I said. But it is better than that on western 4.5 generation fighters however.
And no, those planes are not even close to competing with F22 in stealth and thrust to weight ratio.
Американцу толь и остаётся искать косяки и придираться) Что покажет хвалёный F-35 или F-22, у которых не торчат болты и нет зазоров? Американцы как всегда все победили в Голливуде)
If Russia brought an actual su57 to that air show, the Chinese would take the opportunity to radar map every square inch of it.
All the aircraft the SU-57, the J-20, the J-35 are all cool aircraft. The F-35 is very cool as well ngl. The B variant one of the cool things about it is due to the hovering factor.
Which we saw a pilot totalled it.
The Su-57 is 35 times cheaper than the F-22. And I feel like everyone keeps forgetting that. For its price, it's superb quality 👌
Much of the factory and R&D cost was put into the F-22. The SU-57 could probably be made in any factory that makes jet fighters. The same thing happened with the Apache. The Apache D costs $68 million each and the superior Apache E costs $35 million each.
@orlock20 You'd think Sukhoi's development was free, wouldn't you? That's one of the dumbest things I've heard today 😂
F22 first flight - 1997; production - 2001-2011
SU57 first flight - 2010; production - 2019-present
...what the hell kind of comparison is this?
@@PhilippSeven The SU-57 is a rebranded T-50 PAK FA. India put some money into the R&D, but there isn't special tooling for the T-50 as there was the F-22 and the A-10.
It is not 35 times cheaper. Expected cost of a production Su-57 is around 50-100 Million USD, which isn't 35 times as cheaper as F-22.
Every one knows this is not a full production felon
It's the PAK-FA that was later rebranded into the SU-57 for marketing reasons.
Full production Felons do not exist. It remainds at around two dozen built in nearly two decades, which is a very "artisanal" process. To make up for the costs in machinery and tooling you have to make dozens per year.
I have to remind you guys, like most fighter programs. They are a work in progress, they evolve over time. China's J-20 and 35 will continue evolve over time faster than the Felon. So, the stealth aircraft you see now. Won't be the aircraft you'll see in 10 years. Remember both programs are relatively young programs. China's first test flight was just 13 years ago. So to get to Initial Operational Capability, high production level, is nothing less than a miracle. People say the J-35 is a copy, then the South Korean, Iranian, and Turkey's stealth fighters are a copy. There are only so many ways to skin a cat guys.
If you could see f22, you can see screw on it😂😂😂😂
I really like the appearance of the aircraft
that landing was wild. Even more impressive than the finish of that popular Gripen air show high G display video.
Agree, amazing 👍
I don't get it, what was impressive about it?
@@NJ-wb1cz are y a jetpilot???
@@NJ-wb1czsame way cargo IL 76 landing in Afghanistan, it's called Afgan landing.
The engines are not "smoking". They are producing orange nitrogen dioxide which is an inescapable part of high temperature combustion. The only reasons it would produce more NOx is if the AFR of the charge is not homogenous during fuel flow increases, or if they're simply running hotter than American engines.
May be the Chinese hhave better engines.
also the engine is a prototype and quite different in design , moreover the LPT is completly different from " release to production design" AL41. It has'n modular ignition in AB, basically it's similar a Full throttle in AB. Russia brings prototypes or not final design during the air shows in foreign countires.
США сами устраивают эти беспорядки 🤷♂️
3:27 The first time I saw a static display F-22 at an airshow it was 100 feet behind a chain link fence and 10 armed marines.
Regardless of the actual war fighting capabilities of the Su-57, it is a damn good looking airplane and sure has impressive acrobatic performance.
The Su-57 stealth system counts not so much coverage and geometry, but the electronic warfare radio system. Absorbing the waves of the enemy radar analyzes the frequency and so on. And then emit radiation creating a false image of yourself. It can disappear, shift in coordinates, or even create a lot of clone illusions for itself. This technology is both cheaper and more efficient than spending billions on geometry, which also negatively affects aerodynamics and payload!
Yeah ok. Can they disappear over Russia and reappear seconds later over the US ?
Dont forget the F-117 was shot down because the radar cross section was 10x bigger from behind.
@@heinzletzte.6385 He didn’t get detected from behind, so there’s that. Any other crap you’d like to spew ?
@@556m4 Its not crap, its the truth. Source is Lieutenant general Dr. Alexander Lusan, the guy who was tasked with shooting it down.
@@heinzletzte.6385 He got detected more from below when the bomb bay doors opened. I know the story also. That officer was an absolute wiz of an air defense officer. The pilot that got shot down and he are actually friends nowadays.
Capabilities aside, if we are going just by how good the plane looks, the SU-57 is king I think, followed closely by the F-22. To me, the Felon is the best looking fighter ever built lol. It might not be the best stealth fighter, but hey it's amazing for air shows. :) That falling leaf and those sick turns were amazing.
Just amazing initially I thought it was from a game ..did you see the landing ...sick
@@shelukindo Yea in terms of pure maneuverability, this plane is S-tier.
That’s a proto of the su57 just remember
Look at the X-35 which was a pre-production of the F-35 that had exposed rivets screws and panels not fitted correctly. Test aircraft are meant to pulled apart, test new systems check optimal configs, quick turn around of replacing parts etc it's the very nature of a test platform. Also the other reason why they may have used the prototype might be so people can't gage on how well their stealth capabilities since they don't have radar dazzlers like the US use.
I don’t think China has threatened anyone. In the past 40 years, China has not invaded any country. China only has one overseas base in Djibouti. On the other hand, the United States has invaded many countries in the past 40 years and has hundreds of military bases overseas. Even though China owns J35.35 and I am not worried that the Chinese will invade us, but if there is unrest in my country or oil is discovered, American intervention will be inevitable.
China is continously threatening Taiwan and other neighboring countries up to Australia...
So biased they been building so many bases in south sea and are pushing territory into indias border and all the other Asian countries 😂 and they have threatened the USA and taiwan alot
не переживай друг,у них кишка тонка вести бой с равным соперником,они лучше найдут страну марионетку для этого и будут снабжать ее оружием крича о демократии
Ребят су 57 наикрасивейший самолет!Он и мощный и глазу приятен!
Я жду Миг- 41 это космолёт будет
It's amazing how much even a technical expert cares about looks. Good thing we didn't get the X-32.
As the famous Soviet aircraft designer Tupolev said: Only beautiful airplanes fly well!
He isn't an aerospace engineer... he was a pilot. A race car driver doesn't know how to design and build a car.
@thomgizziz I never said said he was an aerospace engineer. Great job defeating your straw-man!
@@MrGriff305-d3uU said "even a technical expert" wich he clearly is not otherwise he would be an aerospace engineer/designer. So Thoms comment is correct..
@@zombi111980 Thanks. Internet people are super smart. Because a fighter pilot is not an expert in fighter plane performance and function. I honestly didn't know. He has no reason to be sharing his knowledge with us. Thanks for clearing that up.
I love the fact that you speak truth about the aircraft and other countries' capabilities, even if it hurts to hear as an American.
I completely agree J-35 is what F-35A should have looked like.
I don't think any (Western) Airforce cares what a plane _looks_ like. Some pilots might, of course.
I imagine its like sending the YF-22 to an airshow. Still has all the bobbins on it from flight testing and yeah, slapped together. Su-57 has VHF radars on it's sides so I imagine its meant to mean a mobile VHF radar screen for stealth fighters and network that data to the s400, other fighters and assets
Диванные критики могут говорить и спорить про качество сборки сколь угодно долго, но пускай все другие"качественно собранные" истребители Ф -22, Ф -35, Рафаэль и другие, смогут повторить фигуры пилотажа, которые делает Су-57.
Great that you've covered this. I value your opinions. As for the Russians bringing 'The Mule' version to the show..well why not? And yes the Chinese 35 is definitely a better looking jet.
Maybe the Mule is to throw people off into underestimating how good the production plane really is.
If I were a foreign country, I'd avoid giving China physical access to my latest technology.
@@skayt35 The Chinese are doing quite well on their own. And in many fields are clearly the new #1.Hence all the antagonistic rhetoric and sanctions.
@@skayt35 Well that's what happened with automobiles. We trained them how to build them and now they know everything, they're telling us to take a hike.
А с чего это вы решили что этот показ для привлечения покупателей? Никто не собирается продавать Су57. Потому вам не покажут строевой самолет. Так же как американцы свой F22. Но даже лабораторный вариант говорит об очень больших возможностях этого самолëта. Он просто великолепен. Настоящие специалисты это поймут и задумаются. А что будут думать обыватели, это вобще не важно. Когда вы на выставке видите концепткар, это ведь не значит, что будет такой же в серии. 😁 в серии будет то, что необходимо и полезно.
Просто люди с увеличительным стеклом соринки в чужом глазу ищут, не мешай. Американец рассказывает, что про русских в китайских соц. сетях пишут. Ага, верим! Если два соседа дерутся, значит...... . Менталитет у них такой.
There's no denying that the mobility of the Su57 is really great but the Sukhoi design agency engineers seem to be stuck with the idea of close-range artillery battles. I think having a radar that detects very far away would see an enemy before they could spot you and fire a very fast missile that would hit him. There was no need for a close dogfight.
R-37 Russian air-to-air missile with a range of approximately 400 km is installed on the Su-35 and Su-57.
The J-35 is a Svelte Fat Amy clone. But yeah, it does look better. I don’t care how bad the build quality is on the SU-57 felon. It’s still one badass looking bird. And it’s definitely got the moves. Just a sexy plane. Despite perceived and obvious flaws.
I don't think it does. The felon looks like somebody stepped on a 5th gen fighter
@ that’s to give it “head on” stealth characteristics. It has to compensate for the thrust vectoring nozzles and other non-stealthy characteristics it has because of its performance capabilities.
“With enough thrust, anything will fly.” McDonnell-Douglas proved that with the F4 Phantom…
😂😂
ones upon a time in a far far Soviet Union tovarisch Mikoyan and tovarisch Gurevich (those comrad engineers that gave a name to the MiG firm) have bet on a bottle of fine Armenian коньяк that a brick can fly Mach 3.5 ... and long story short - they made MiG-25
Can people stop saying the F-4s are bricks, they all had like 0.9+ TWRs, that's more than enough for aircraft to fly.
СУ-57 участвует в боевых действиях и сбивает вражеские самолёты. F-22 сбил лишь воздушный шар.
I wish I could attend that show. That is a lot of 5th Gen hardware flying around, and in the case of the Su-57, it has actual combat operations experience, and so far, no one has even seen it when it attacks.
When I was a child in 1983, the US F-15 and F-16 had no real competition, even from France, UK, and Russia. This was years before the Typhoon, Rafale, Gripen,the Mig-29 was in pre-production, while the Su-27 was still a prototype. There was nothing on the earth that could even challenge the US Air Force.
Now, there are so many planes capable of defeating the F-22 and F-35, I cannot even count them all. A lot has changed in 40 years...
More incoming. The Koreans and Turks have flying prototypes. British-Japan and Franco-German in the works.
Прежде чем писать глупости, вам стоило бы запросить у гугла, годы производства ф 15, ф16, су 27 и миг 29.)) СУ 27, 1977 год, ф 15 1976 год и ф 16, 1978 год, о каком превосходстве вы говорите?😂.
Appearance isnt everything, but if they hadnt tried to make the F-35 as short as an F-16, it wouldnt look so fat. The F-35 is 10-11 feet shorter than a Super Hornet, and almost 12 feet shorter than a Raptor.
Extend out the F-35 body a bit, even just a few extra feet, and it would seem a bit sleeker.
Быстрая посадка у нас называется "афганский манёвр" (пижонский манёвр) , его применяли на транспортных самолётах когда действовали диверсанты вблизи аэродромов.