SF6 Season 2 Tier list (Terry patch)
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
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In this video i will be making a tier list for SF6.
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0:00 Intro
1:30 Top Tiers
16:30 High Tiers
24:20 Mid Tiers
36:25 Low mid
44:59 Low tiers
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Mostly agreed, though I think Guile and Ken would swap spots in my list. Guile has a similar issue to AKI in that he gatekeeps a ton of the cast but is beat up by a lot of the top tiers and lacks that crMK DRC option in neutral to round out his footsies.
If Guile had crMK drive rush I guarantee no one would play this game anymore. 😂
@@hoanganhtora1792lmfao
@hoanganhtora1792 Yeah Guild is already overpowered lol.
@@alexanderruffin3363 For most of the characters, they need luck to bypass guile boom(lucky jump in, DI, DRC), no luck no chance
Close the range could be done by patience by skills, but open guile defense at mid range is a matter of luck if you don't have solid solution to deal with his boom
His boom and normal are good enough to shut down your ground game, there is no way to win his boom and buttons by ground game only if guile did not commit error, you need to take the risk(jump in, DI etc)
The way he got visibly depressed after that quick burn from Terry 😭 omfg
Not even movies capture that reaction as well as he did lmao
I think the issue I have with Guile (I’m a Guile main so take this with a grain of salt) is that he loses to most of the top tiers. Bison, Akuma and Cammy are hard to play against along side JP, outside of that he’s a “gatekeeper” of sorts against mid and low tiers. It’s funny to think about Guile just standing in front of a gate holding downback.
I agree! I only play Guile and I feel he trade punches to much or get beats to the punch more than others
I don't play guile and I think he's too high here. Should be dropped to high tier
Hold the door Guile! Hold the door!
@@purefire21you sound so annoying I just want to wake up level two on you so bad right now ma dawg!!
If the character you use don't have a solid solution to deal with his boom, it is a nightmare to fight guile
Close the range could be done by patience and skills, but open his defense without a solid solution to bypass his boom is another problem
I think this tier list has a solid take on Chun. She's definitely strong, but she's uniquely frustrating to play this season because she's solid on paper but bad against the current top tiers which makes her feel worse than she is.
well said
Good point about Jamie's win condition vs Bison. When Bison gets a mine, it's combined with good damage and oki. When Jamie gets a drink, he loses out on both damage and oki (outside the corner at least). And that's for only 1/4th of a win condition.
37:24 that artifact scared me i thought my gpu is kicking the bucket lol
Great tier list. Enjoyed your rationality in explaining each character. I actually picked up Aki due to Juri's weakness to fireballs, no 3 jab sting, and divekick that can be clipped by fireballs and is very negative on block. But I'm fairly new to fighting games so my opinion may not be as weighty as others.
Ad much as I mostly agree with all the analysis, I think it would be wise to look at the distribution of characters in the higher MR range.
Looking at tournament results obviously makes sense, but I’d like to see how often characters are winning among the entire active user base.
yea i think thats a better representation than a handful of super anomalies, like Punk
Really nice explanation on the tier list :)
Really solid tier list, pleasantly surprised to see ken in high tier rather than top tier, not many people accept that fact.
I think you’ve underrated Jamie and Dhalsim. With Jamie I don’t think it’s that hard to get 2 drinks where Jamie becomes a good character. So I dont think he’s bottom because of this. Dhalsim may not be playing the SF6 game but he is also anti-meta like others such as Gief, Manon and Lilly and is playing his own game like every SF he’s in. His defence isn’t good but it’s not as bad as people think. He can teleport out the corner if you can create distance. His OD yoga arc also buys him time against opponents especially when it lands and starts bouncing back. He also has the 4 frame invul jump/float cancel to air attacks (drill, hk, hp) like other characters like chun li (air legs), rashid (sky high flip kick) etc.
Honestly top tier is so mixed. If we are going based on tourney wins, Juri and Ryu should be up there too.
There’s quite a bit of dhalsims in legend rank, he also has a good winrate statistically online. He might be bad on paper but def not the worst in the game
Best list so far and almost perfect. I would bump Lilly and Guile down one tier and bump up Terry and Jury one tier
My ordered tier list
S tier
Ed, Akuma, Rashid, Cammy, Guile, Bison
A tier
Ken, Zangief, Juri, JP, AKI, Chun Li, Dee Jay
B tier
Blanka, Ryu, Terry, Luke, Kimberly, Manon, Dhalsim, Jamie
C tier
Lily, Marisa, Honda
I wonder if ed will get nerfed. I can see his desync getting changed (again) but I think nerfing anything else would make him feel terrible
Agree with the top 2 for sure. Ed and Cammy really don't have any unfavorable matchups when I think about it.
think about it harder then lol. Cammy sucks against Jamie, Blanka, Honda, Manon, Dhalsim, Lily etc. Thats why Cammy isnt top 2 in any sense of imagination, she sucks against a buncha low tiers and unless you got Punk skills, shes much harder to play successfully than the other top tiers around her. Also she has no projectile, which is a bigger deal than ppl let on. Look at all the other chars he has in top tier, every single one of them have a projectile, except Cammy. Cammy the most overrated character in the game easily. Ppl watch Punk win with her and think shes easy, cuz he makes it look easy. Shes SIMPLE to play, but not EASY. I think ppl conflate those 2 things. Akuma has a million specials and stuff, but hes the perfect example of an EASY character to play.
Thanks for all that character info, especially my main & subs.
I'm not a top player, so I'm fine using whoever. 🙂 Good that the balance is pretty even.
Sorry to hear on the thumb. Nice job.
Bro what is with the Juri downplay lol..character is constantly in top 5 and won capcup ..no way that's a mid tier character..and how can a character with a divekick struggle with fireballs? She gets a stock whether hit or not. Literally named one weakness (fireballs not true) and named 2 characters she struggles against but mid tier? Lol
For real, it's a mass gaslighting campaign that she's anything below A+.
The excuse it's so overused its crazy like
"When they trow a fireball Juri has to deal with that"
Yeah that's the purpose of a fireball...
She does struggle against fireballs, guile is one of her hardest matchups and she’s very linear outside of lvl 2 but she’s still good
Juri is strong be she sure is very predictable. Have no struggle against her unless you mashing your way up
@SHendrixx2 I totally agree
Agree with the placement, but I would place Ken over Guile, cause while Guile has very oppressive matchups, most of thek are not with high/top tier.
How about for Jamie you can stack drinks ? E.g if you Get 5 drinks in round 1 somehow, you start round 2 with level 1 drink (4 and after thay every +1 drink is stacked) Could give more incentive to go for drink on oki compared to damage.
I was thinking the same thing. They can fix him. They just need to figure out how to make it fair.
That, or eliminate level 0. Just have him start with level 1 drink. By the time you have level 4 drink, the round is basically done
I pretty much agree with this tier list! I’m a JP main in masters and love zoning characters. I tried out Dhalsim recently and realized how lacking he is with the SF6 mechanics.
Zoning with neutral skips, cr mk rush and throw loops requires characters with offensive options and control of the mid screen and so Ed and Guile are way better in that regard
Winter 2025 is Jan or Feb (not March). I think Mai will come Jan this time though so that Elena can come late April/early May and so Capcom can show the Elena teaser or gameplay trailer at Capcom Cup in March. However March is technically considered the 1st month of Spring so it’s possible Capcom may even release Elena at Capcom cup.
I see the dude hitting a psycho crusher with a jab to finish a round and instantly Cammy is S tier, broken, must be nerfed now. Meanwhile, I see multiple people on X getting free rounds with 2 hits from Bison.
lol right, so damn true bro. The Cammy glaze and grossly overrating is real. Shows ppl probably dont even see how good punk REALLY is to do what he does with her.
It's crazy still to me that bison is so strong when he has some big weaknesses that should make him bad in this game, having no reversal and all 3 of his supers can be safe jabbed. I guess it shows just how powerful offense is in this game. Being able to get such huge damage from pretty much any hit and end with psycho mine is just crazy. I know this might sound crazy but I think ryu is the best shoto and massively underrated for the same reason, his damage and pressure is insane, I can see how akuma is considered better but I don't see Ken and luke as stronger.
totally agree. Ryu is a monster in this game. Bison is so good because on top of his gimmicks, his normals are fkn amazing, and personally i think Ryus normals are great too.
Ryu is the most consistantly underrated character in this game, and Cammy is the most consistantly overrated.
@nunyabizwacks6711 I think people need to realise ryu is supposed to be average, an all rounder that doesn't really have to be overpowered at anything, just a strong fireball anti air game, and decent tools. He doesn't need to be doing so much damage off his combos, getting pressure and oki, people seem to think if a character isn't as good as the best then they're not good. The best thing for this game would be some proper nerfs, to the top tiers.
@@remylebeau34 i totally agree. In a way, i feel like the "character" is taken out of alot of the characters in this game because even tho they do have diff moves and styles like always, they all have drive rush for one, and its hard to explain but the characters dont feel different enough. Everyone can rush down, pressure, plus frames on any move they choose, i dunno. I love the game but the roster just doesnt appeal to me in the same way it did in most previous street fighters, and i think thats why.
@@remylebeau34 and yea, i dont think anyone needs buffs, i know thats usually how they do it, they buff chars to try to bring em up closer to others levels, but i agree, i think a more nerf heavy approach, to a bunch of characters frankly, would make the game better. Especially with the mechanics of the game, too many characters get too many things. The characters dont have that straight foward identity like they always did in the past. The true "pick your poison" feel that it was always known for. Now its more like your basing your character choice off what kinda combos they have or, what moves do they get plus frames on, or....i dunno, just whatever. Back in the day its like "ok i can either pick Ryu whos a little slower and simpler and less flashy, but hits harder, or i can pick Ken whos moves are more flashy and fast, but doesnt hit as hard and is less of a tank than Ryu" and that was that, each character had their thing and you had to play within the confines of that and figure out how to counter the others style with it. Its really hard to explain or put into words, but i guess im just trying to say the game feels less like that now. Although the more i think about why and try to put my finger on it, the more im thinking that the drive system actually probably has alot to do with that, sonewhat sucking the individuality out of the characters to a degree.
@nunyabizwacks6711 you're right 100% the bottom tiers have clear disadvantages that make perfect sense until you look at the top tiers I play Kim and she clearly has weak defense and damage and it makes sense that she's supposed to be a rushdown/mixup character, but then top tiers get better pressure, rush down and mix ups, while still getting huge damage and having an invincible reversal and no real disadvantages at all. And the drive system is definitely a massive part of why characters don't have individuality, I keep getting beat by a Dhalsim player and he's constantly doing rush down in the corner with blockstrings that are basically loops and combos, that's not what Dhalsim should be, and if you don't have a reversal every character is able to do that to you and you can't do anything, same with grapplers, they get full combos off any hit so it's just heads or tails since the grab will eat half your health but if you try to jump or Backdash then get hit, you lose half your health to the combo and have to guess again. Grapplers shouldn't be getting easy combos for full damage like that, every type of character is just a combo character now. Most people's argument for why ryu is bad just comes down to "why wouldn't you just play Ken instead" and that's the whole game now, why not just pick the best character, they have everything the rest of the cast has but better and without the disadvantages. I wish they would take some invincible reversals away from top tiers like they did for Kim after the beta, they had no problems nerfing her so heavily, but they don't touch the op characters now, the recent patch just undid the previous nerfs, that's just dumb, like jp having his crhp nerfed and everyone dropped him, like he didn't have more than enough op tools to make up for it.
I almost agree with the list😂
I don't think Terry is above Jaimie.
He is.
In my opinion, take everyone from low to mid and put a tier above and it's the perfect tier list.
Nobody watches the video for your execution, you don't need to make excuses for that
Damn!
Damn man, its not really an excuse i do have a thumb injury 😅
@@MCMuraFGC I just said execution doesn't matter. We watch this video because we want to hear your opinion on the meta, it's not a combo video.
@@MCMuraFGCyea I agree bro, we’re here for your genuine opinion, you don’t have to worry bout that for a video like this. Don’t push yourself too hard lol
Execution does get points across better, so a bit off to say it doesn't matter
Its a good tier list but I think JP is too far up, i would replace JP with Juri. Jp doesnt have the best matchup spread and his 2 worst matchups are bison and akuma which are played alot in tourneys. Along with cammy. I think he fights most characters well( especially the lower tiers) but his lack of a tradition invul anti air hurts him alot.
I still think akuma is top 1. His low hp is not a flaw. It is a safeguard so he doesnt break the game which is a sign of a good character. Akuma also has 0 BAD MATCHUPS and beats or goes even with most characters.
Lastly I think marisa should be moves down to the bottom tier. She is a useless character that is redundant. There is 0 reason to play her and she gets mauled by the meta. The only think that made her special is gone so she is essentially worthless now
Blanka got so many nerfs he missed out a bunch of them.
Thanks for the video 🕹️ Bring Birdie Back. The End
You could go solo with bison in tournaments but i can understand why you need secondary especially with dealing zangief we know his history with grapplers. And cammy matchups though this time you could anti air the divekick psycho crusher kinda or perfect parry it .am used to dealing with cammy of my experience still not easy her buttons is nuts if you get hit corner carry and into the corner which you do not want be in when your bison oof lol.
I pretty much agree with that list, but actually, when I saw that Low Mid and Low Tiers I thought to myself... damn... those are pretty annoying characters to fight against (Specially Kimberly)
They definitely can be annoying lol I think they just have mostly bad matchups and are missing important things like reversals. I find Blanka really difficult to fight as Kim but he probably loses to a lot of the top tiers.
Mura, do you think Terry will get buffs in the Mai patch? 🤔
The question is does he deserve to be buffed or the top characters deserve to be nerfed? Heh. Maybe both.
Incredible, Ken still gets away with it 😂
lol yea its wild. Instead, Cammy is #2 😂😂
Why on earth would Cammy be below Ken? Cammy’s 50/50’s and strike throw is way scarier. Ken has nothing scary other outside of corner carry. Seen it a million times.
@@XxFinalFlashXx1 i agree with you about cammy being top 3 or straight up 2nd, but ken does have more scary utility and normals that just corner carry, i will say that is for sure one of his main highlights tho but he is solid all around. ppl just sleep on cammy way too much
honda sHP doesn't hit grounded opponents on f8 only airborne opponents, it hits at f10 on grounded and as a wiff punish on f12. super meh button to use tbh in some matchups that you cant auto shimmy or auto space out wiff punish
Great analysis but one issue about your way is you are focusing your judgment also on how easy or difficult the character is played, which is not the right way with all respect, the focus should always be on the high level play of each character against the other and never on the difficulty of execution, again no desrespect here, I enjoy watching your many videos ❤, I just hope you consider this in the future videos
But i said Ed is the best character in the game while also he is the hardest. Easy/Hard is a factor but i didn't plan everything according to that.
being easy to play is 100% a big factor in a characters placement. Akuma is easy to play, so hes super strong and even scrubs can have success with him. If he was complicated to play, combined with his low health and mid drive rush, he would rightfully be lower. I think trying to base these tier lists off a handful of the best players in the world instead of the 10s of thousanda of other ppl that play the game is a mistake too. Maybe Cammy is #2 when Punk plays her, but when everyday Joe Average plays her, (aka the vast majority of ppl) shes closer to like in the middle of the cast.
@MCMuraFGC yeah you did mention ED but I was talking in general, meaning when you do character assessment on everyone, and also the main Factor of the Game is Generally Easier to play and doing combos as well than its predecessors, The real hard parts is left now is playing the Mind games and understanding your Character on Higher level against your opponent who is also at there higher level of understanding of the game, and then finding his character weak points and player bad habits and Mental Situation and a making split second Correct or Random decisions to Defend/Parry & then Punish or Counter it in time, that is THE only High level You need to Focus on My Dear Murad 😉 when you decide to make Tier lists, and Trust me I know it's Difficult to do, so Good Luck with that 👍 ❤️
Your tier list may be one of the best out there. The only one you got wrong was Terry he is higher.
Would allowing Jamie to begin subsequent rounds with 1 drink after he has taken one help him at all?
my top 5 akuma bison rashid ed cammy.
finally someone acknowledged bottom 1 dhalsim. question. why on earth isn't Rashid #1
@@jamesboice2763 lord Bison
You don't even see rashid much, who wants to play gay zoomer alladin? He's a non factor usually.
@paulsr.1090 I don't know what pick rate has to do with the strength of the character, but alright. Also, Rashid is cool. i don't know wtf your on about
@@paulsr.1090 pick rate doesnt mean everything, im surprised he wasnt put as atleast 3rd or somethin but i understand his reasoning. but rashid is one of the coolest characters in this game bro cmon now
Yo jp that high? I never seen him.
Are we ever going to see top tier tournament results from top tier character guile?
I would personally put Ken instead of bison (as much as I hate bison) Ken only got better keeping his corner carry
Call me crazy, but if they removed level 0 Jamie from the game, and he started level 1 every round, he would still be weaker than half of the cast or worse
If he starts with 2 drinks he would barely be in the mid tier lol. He just needs a redesign like Lily, Honda, Kimberly, etc. to actually be able to compete with the rest of the cast. There aren't simple changes that can save these characters
Jamie mains have their character close to mid tier and still complain. You don't see Manon mains cry as hard I swear 😂😂😂
I'm not crying bro, I think he is a solid character, good neutral, insane corner pressure, good oki
But the game has a lot of stupid stuff, it rewards a lot of low risk options, most top tiers are like that
With that, we will never see Jamie being played on tournaments, but for ranked he's solid, just need to work a little more than the rest
Damn all i play is low mid. I should invest in my aki more
Jamie start is so bad it takes him too long to get started
I do wonder how crazy letting him keep the drinks each round would be. I haven't fought much max drink Jamie so I'm probably underrating him but it feels like max Jamie isn't as scary as a bunch of the top tiers
Thanks for the video. But what I wouldn't give to know the truth ;(
The real tier list
Do you feel some days you get a lot of matches vs X character?
Yes I understand that overall pick rates are just that: overall monthly pickrates. But I feel like some days all I see is this or that character in ranked.
For instance, today I played 9 ranked sets. In which I got 4 distinct Manon players. This gives a p-value of 0,00000003699244111. Other days it's another character, say JP or Kimberly.
Of course I don't expect (and I don't want to) only see Bison, Akuma, Ryu and Ken over and over. But after months of having this feeling, I start to suspect that there's some kind of algorithm to cycle over the characters so we can experiment all the match-ups, instead of having it totally random.
So my (probably paranoid conspiracy) theory is that every day, each player gets assinged one to three characters which get a boosted matchmaking affinity.
Say me and my friend Foobar. Today we're playing ranked and we queue looking for games. Internally and hiddenly, the game assigns me an increased matchmaking affinity for Dhalsim and Guile players while Foobar gets it for Chun-Li and Deejay. That doesn't mean we will ONLY get those matches, but it'll be MUCH more likely to find those compared to their real usage rate.
I know similar things exist for some Poker apps, where you can get increased changes of getting a good hand and a good flop every now ant then, so you feel some "luck" is on your side, and don't get always destroyed by complete random events and good opponents.
Did any of you get this feeling as well?
Give marissa the low forward dr and she hops into high tier
I feel like if Ken got nerfed, the onlt shoto worth using would be akuma. It would honestly ruin the game for me running into a fuck ton of akumas
Juri is a high tier imo. I would say she's better than AKI especially.
Why would you need to play neutral with Terry when you can just medium burn knuckle to get in?
MC Mura, let's hear you bust a flow real quick. After all, you ARE an "emcee"! So let's hear it lol
Honestly, I believe Juri is better than Aki. Just switch them and I am fine with the list
i know everyone has their own opinions on tiers and everything, but something i see fairly commonly on these lists is Cammy in top tier and i just dont buy into it. I think ppl put her there because a.) they dont like playing against her and b.) they see Punk playing with her and he just won evo so they are really puttin her up there. I just dont think shes top tier, shes got alot of bad matchups and alot of her bad matchups are against low tier characters, like Jamie. There are several amazing Cammy players out there, but honestly, whos REALLY making any noise with her besides punk? Its just hard to understand the basis upon which ppl put her top tier. They usually have reasons why other chars are in top tier, but ive seen no valid criteria that should warrant cammy being next to the best characters in the game. Much less being top 2, thatd flat out objectively wrong. Cammy takes much more work to be successful with on top of great reactions when compared to these guys next to her like Akuma, Bison, Ken, etc. Cammy glaze is wild right now. Ppl that havent really played Cammy dont even realize how good Punk actually is to be able to do what he does with her. They just think hes throwing shit out and hitting ppl with her. Cammys too easy to blow up by playing aggressive and/or unga bunga, trust me. Shes great against patient players, but if you just go at her, whoevers playing her needs those punk like skills to deal with it.
I don't really see the A.K.I. hype tbh she's one of the most underrepresented characters and she's not as bad as her representation makes it seem, but her biggest issue is that she basically loses to everyone in the high tier category and up and she's a low tier destroyer so I personally feel like she's in the mid category.
Mura... scrolling on the tier screen is giving me motion sickness
Sorry about that
I truly feel like there is a agenda out to make ED seem better then he is to not get the real problems adjusted. Real talk ED is a 50/50 character that requires skill and knowledge to meld perfectly to really succeed with him. Almost no one in the top tier except MAYBE Guile and Rashid fit that same dynamic. And Bison, Akuma, Cammy ARE NOT in the convo of hard to use. I literally mastered bison and Akuma in 2 days I'm not even touching cammy because how much I see her.
The top of the meta is clear and Ranked screams it, the meta is Cammy, Bison, Akuma, Ryu, Ken and GIEF. It's ALL I see 1800 plus and it's not even close to diversity of that
Ed is absurdly good as a theoretical top tier, I do think he is the best but also probably the hardest to play.
i have been seeing an absolute fukton of Giefs in the last 2 weeks. Feels so obnoxious seeing so many ppl playing him now, go play a real fkn character lmao.
He is broken, he can Drive Rush Cancel further than Dhalsim.
Can you tell me Mura, why the hell does Jamie's Bakkai go through Terry's fireball? Terry's fireballs travel across the floor and Jamie does his breakdancing on the demmm floor whyyyy
Bc the government
Mura no one plays JP what evidence do you have that JP is even high tier and performing top 4 in any tournament since Terry patch? even DCQ and kakeru have left him and the one game DCQ plays him into nephew he gets destroyed.
No ken in top is crazy
Putting terry in low mid tier is CRIMINAL i question you as a sf player
I use him and had to make a tier list, and I put him almost at the same spot. He is not bad, but the others are way better.
He is bottom 10, a character very close to low tier if you ask me
@computervision557 well it's not illegal to have a shit opinion so if I were you I wouldn't worry
Maybe some side thought. I tried Luke and Ryu in season 1 and it really felt like in this heavy system mechanic driven game Ryu was pointless. Luke could do basically everything the same Ryu did but better. What they did to Ryu (outside smaller buffs and QoL changes) was simply just let him still use his regular fireball and hashogeki when he had denjin charge active and made his light hashogeki safe and plus on burnout. And that's it. It was enugh to not only make Ryu way better but he finally fells like his own character, not worse version of other shotos. When I charge denjin I feel like I turned into a loaded shotgun. And making his hasho safe Ryu is making opponents think twice before taking their turn after jabs. Nobody really can just cancel their 2/3 jabs string into a safe special that frame traps and gives combo on counter hit.
I think probably that's the way of balancing this game further. Many people say - nerf this mechanic, nerf that mechanic, because of how strong system is and many weaker character cannot shine. Imo they should do the opposite and just really address and maybe even create unique strenghts of the characters that will let them shine despite how strong system is.
You put Marisa over Dhalsim and Jamie when she has 0 presence in tournaments, while Dhalsim and Jamie have people playing them on Capcom cup classifiers (Booce pulled out a Jamie vs Itazan, and Dhalsim has Crimson).
Marisa has no ody. The most prominent player is Johnny who isn't even getting top8 in TNS weekly tournaments.
37:23, bro was getting hacked
Crazy cause that didn't appear on my screen lol
Manons not bottom 5 lets go!
Wait why is Juri impossible for Manon? I must be doing something wrong as a Juri player
Its very difficult for Manon to deal with the LK fireball and also drive rush MK is particularly good vs Manon's buttons
@MCMuraFGC aah thanks. I never abuse juris fireball so that must be it. Learned something
Not gonna catch me complaining that you put sim that low. Buff sim more
I absolutely hate fighting ed i gotta change my whole plan and take to the skies fighting ed on the ground is damn near impossible
Safe jumps and safe jabs are strong against him but its just like how the hell do I even get in on him in the first place lol
@remylebeau34 i swear most matches i play i baiting his dp jumping and random DI been working for me but of course those things can easily get me killed
@remylebeau34 i usually play bison but i mained lily before i feel better with lily in that matchup i believe ed merks bison
@phaze12490 I find that most answers to him are also easy for him to bait out and punish, Di is a good move to beat him, it blows up flicker(I might have the wrong move lol, the one where he pulls you in) but then he can fake out into back sway, same with trying to parry it, and its so hard to try to whiff punish him. Trying to beat his fireball is hard too since he can just do the first part as a bait. His aa can be baited with a jumping move that stalls you in the air as long as you can land quick enough. And using safe jab to beat his Dp is OK but if he blocks then you just give him a free turn since you can't put yourself out of range with lights he will always be able to take his turn back.
Guile above Ken is wild. Ken is oppressive and has every tool in the book and then some to get you in the corner, mix, rushdown, crazy back throw into corner... Guile has like 2 gameplans and none of them feel oppressive or hard to handle like a real top tier like Ken or Rashid do. Like anyone reading this, can you really rationalize guile being harder to deal with than Ken? Who makes you think "oh this could be hard" when you see the matchup screen at start? I certainly don't feel that way about Guile. What is this tier list lol.
@thepunisherxxx6804 Absolutely!
@thepunisherxxx6804 Is Rashid top tier?
@@neves2493 I do agree there, Rashid definitely is top tier. Best in the game? IDK about that, probably is Akuma there IMO but they are close. Rashid's pressure is crazy, he has a lot of tools, crazy corner pressure and combos, and that level 2 is the best super in the game, even better than level 3's.
Ken is one of those characters you’ve seen a million times and seen that same pressure a million times… yeah not as scary anymore. Guile > Ken
That low tier characters like Honda, Dhalsim and etc are that low not only because they need buffs or something... is just that characters are not appealing for major of people. Their design of appearance and gameplay are not that appealing so they will be always bottom tier even if some patch their are broken.
People just don't care about that characters, simple as that
Honda is low? Top tier for me😂
Terry is low-mid Tier? Are we talkimg about terry from KOF of SF6 😂?
Ed top 1 and ken not even in the top tiers is insane 😂
Sorry but Ryu and Luke are high tier. 1 super combo I after 2/3rd 15 seconds into the game can build them up enough to rob you half of your life..
My dream change to Jamie: He starts at level 2, but needs to keep drinking to maintain levels 3 and 4.
Cut him down one level of drinks for knockdown but have him minimum at level 2. Like G.
What the hell happened that made Zangeif and aki high tier and Luke bottom
Gief in S2 has one of, if not the best neutral game in the game and because of that, beat most of the top tier (INCLUDING Akuma and M.Bison as he is probably the only one who can deter their nonsense with a big enough punish to force them to play neutral, he only lose to Ed, and even then just slightly). Hell, they should switch him and Guile because Guile isn't THAT good and usually just got blown up trying to play his game, while Gief is actually pretty good for what he does.
AKI got a truckload of buff and having way better hit confirm and initiation tool really helps her out.
Ken is still top 1.
Zero meter corner carry should not exist.
You don't need to take so long to explain how Cammy is top tier... just say she is a braindead character
There is no low tier in thia game. Characters being heavily downplayed- everyone in low mid and under lol.
Lily and Jamie?
@@neves2493 both viable
@@neves2493 problem is the top tiers are just ridiculous
The same Top Tiers as SFV...
That means the technical design of the characters matters and Capcom is doing the same mistake again (that means no matter how much they buff the low tiers and nerf the S tiers, things aren't gonna change drastically).
They need to understand that in order to balance the characters better instead of throwing some uselss buffs and nerfs that aren't going to change the meta...
I dont see how everyone is saying Ed is so good. Ed actually has a lot of weaknesses that you never pointed out. Im a Ed player and i see the weaknesses that he has. He doesn't have a long reaching low attack to go into drive rush, he doesn't have an over head so in most cases you just hold down back to block and the only thing he can do is throw you, Ed is negative on most of his attacks with the exception of his HK, Down LK and Pycho Snatcher.
As Bison its just wrong
If you can't get big tournament playing ONLY him then its nowhere Top tier.
Or at least lowest toptier.
Why Sim gets nothing defensively while JP exists with much better options is beyond me. Give the man an invulnerable level 1 at least.
Everybody who claim Ryu is a good character is not a Ryu main, let that sink in.
The same could be said about Ken not that long ago 😂
All Ryu mains downplay their character let that sink in
All mains downplay their own characters, let that sink in
A.K.I could get this dick, let that sink in.
What's so bad about him? He's had nothing but buffs and people are still trying to say he's bad, sorry I just don't get it, maybe because no one ever gives any explanation to why he's bad, do you just think he's not as good as Ken and luke?
Guile is not top tier.
akuma over ken? your joking right? im srry man he is in no way top 6... replace akuma with ken in that spot