Godzilla VS Ultraman | The HONEST Truth
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
- Hey guys welcome back to the channel with this weeks video! Today we got a match up featuring the TWO most popular icons of the TOKU being non other then Ultraman and Godzilla! This debate has been pretty prominent in the Kaiju community and it’s got strong opinions on both sides but Is the matchup REALLY as close as people think? Tune in and Let’s find out! If you like this video be sure to subscribe for weekly stuff!
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When you realize Gorosaurus’ Kangaroo Kick is one of the most overpowered techniques in the Godzilla mythos
The car compacter is the strongest thing in fiction.
Truck-kun exist: take a walk with me.
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I bet Sun Wukong could bench that Car Compactor
@@FriendlyNeighborhoodMvHaterultraman Noa can kill sun Wu Kong in 0.01 milliseconds
@@ゼロシンBro Shut The Hell Up What Are You On About 💀💀💀💀💀💀
First of all, let me preface this by saying I love your videos and the efforts you put into them. They are very entertaining, and I appreciate the time and resources you pour into those to bring us what is essentially free entertainment for us. Please take this not as criticism, but as me contributing to the discussion as a long-time Ultraman fan.
First of all, in regards to speed. The magazines that shows Ghidorah as being faster than Ultraman is completely outdated even by the time of late Showa in Ultraman, and considering Ultraman is constantly shown to grow stronger than in earlier series (eg. he was defeated by Zetton in the OG series but could defeat multiple Zettons by the time of The Ultraman Mebius prequel novelization), it makes no sense to assume that it holds weight. Ultraman's speed feats, otherwise, completely blow Godzilla's out of the water. We have Ace, who travelled from Golgotha (in another dimension) to Earth in roughly 30 seconds without the use of dimensional travel. Even if we assumed he used dimensional travel, Ultraman Story 0 has the Ultras in human form react to the Voices of the Stars, which crossed two universes in the time it took for Babarue to monologue (roughly 20 seconds). This is also supported by statements of Joneus being capable of travelling to the edge of the universe. For lower but far more concrete speed feats, Zoffy travelled from M78 to Earth in 1 minute 20 seconds (midball) by the time of Ultraman Taro, landing him in the trillions of times faster than light.
As for attack potency, Dorola's 4D net statement in a mistranslation (I am Japanese, I can tell). The statement says that Dorola's 4 dimensional gas turns the surroundings into a 4 dimensional world, nothing about the universe or a 4 dimensional universe. At best, this is a pocket dimension feat. Ultraman, meanwhile, reaches into uni and uni+ by Showa consistently. Story 0 has statements about the Ultra Key which say it can destroy the universe in an instant, and Zarab's Gordonium Bomb which can do the same, being directly equated to the Big Bang. Although Story 0 is non-canon at this point, the scaling is consistent and was done with the Showa Ultra series in mind. It serves as supporting scaling for other uni ~ uni+ feats in Showa Ultraman such as Juda, who can destroy the universe by distorting it, with Zoffy scaling individually to Juda and his more powerful siblings Mold and Gina due to his time as Andro Melos and scaling to his successor Benoit, all of this being scalable to Shodai Ultraman. If we want to go into 4D shenanigans, Ultraman is rife with them, between Bulton, Alien Icarus and Yapool. Yapool in particular has a feat where the remnants of his power in Ultraman Z was about to cause dimensional collapse, a feat replicated by the D4 Ray, which a rookie Z low in the scaling chain directly countered without any difficulties. The scaling chain for Showa Ultraman also far outstrips the tens of thousands of times statement for the car compactor, even if we take it literally, if we were to stack multiplier statements.
This is without even getting into the many, many advantages in hax that Ultraman has over Godzilla, from the cellular deconstruction stated in the Ultra Hissatsu-waza Daihyakka, to mental attacks which Godzilla has been known to be susceptible to, paralysis via telekinesis, Ultra Willpower being stated in the UHwD to counter regeneration, size manipulation, and far greater skill and intelligence. Ultraman resists almost everything Godzilla does, while Godzilla has little to no resistance to Ultraman's big guns.
Bref, to say that I believe Ultraman has this very securedly in the bag. Please forgive a sort of haphazard comment regarding this topic and, if eventually there is time or opportunity for it, I would love to talk with you about this matchup further.
Once again, thank you very much for your effort and quality. Love and support from Japan 🗾🇯🇵
Bro, this is just purely from the 1966 ultraman. Not the other preceeding shows where ultraman got stronger.
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 Thank you for your reply. I very much enjoy talking to people about such topics, and seeing them from the point of view of others. I hope this disagreement brings no ire to either of us.
I will address the issues one by one, starting with Ultraman's scaling to Mebius. As I said, I take into account Ultraman by the end of the Showa era in this comment, and in this case Ultraman blatantly scales above Mebius, as shown in the prequel novel "The Ultraman Mebius", where Mebius is brought down by Zetton very quickly, while Shodai is capable of handling the same Zetton with ease. The novel takes place at the end of the Showa series, and before the events of the prologue to Ultraman Mebius & Ultra Brothers, 20 years before Ultraman Mebius. In essence, this is the last we see of Man, Seven, Jack and Ace in the Showa period and represents them at their peaks of the Showa powerscaling.
Although it is possible that Ghidorah grew much stronger, we have little evidence to show how much. Ultraman blesses us with multiple statements of multipliers between different Ultras' and their techniques' power, which helps show just how strong each generation is, and how strong the characters grow by catching up to their successors. Case and point, by the time of Ultra Story and The Ultraman Mebius, Ultraman is equal to his brothers, including Zoffy, who by 80 was stronger than Leo and second only to 80 in power.
Ace and Zoffy's feats do not take place over long periods of time, we see them directly on screen. Ace returned from Golgotha to Earth in a short time, and the events on Earth had not advanced enough for his absense to have much of an impact. Even if it had, travelling an entire universe in a day is far greater than any feat shown in Godzilla. Zoffy was directly stated to have responded to the children's prayers, and his trip could not have taken longer than the time the children spent praying, that being 1 minute 20 seconds. It is also false that any sunrises or sunsets were in the scene. Joneus' statement is by far the most unreliable, as we do not know how long he would take to reach the edge of the universe, but even assuming it took him a whole week, which is unlikely given that he had to return to Earth before people began worrying about Choichiro's absense, he would be 2.2 trillions of times faster than light.
While I have not watched Astro Monster and Godzilla vs Gigan in my current binge of the Showa Godzilla movies, I have heard that the travel feats are not as fast as they are shown on screen. I'm not sure about this, though, so I'd be grateful if you could provide me more details.
Ultraman Story 0 is non-canon, but I only used statements and feats from the series as supporting points for those of the main series, not as the main points. There's also a big difference between that and Marvel Godzilla: Ultraman Story 0 was made as a prequel to Showa Ultraman with the timeline in mind to stay consistent with its events, and was only retconned later in Heisei. There are virtually no inconsistencies between Story 0 and Showa. On the other hand, Marvel Godzilla is a completely different incarnation in a crossover creation. If so, Ultraman would also scale to the Kamen Rider verse's top tiers via the multiple crossovers, and thus to the immeasurable speeds of Kabuto and multi-dimensional multiversal feats of Decade. Hell, Ultraman and Godzilla themselves have crossed over in Battle Spirits and Monster Strike, so this whole conversation would be moot.
I am curious about the translations. If you could point me towards any blogs or such that translated the statement, I would be very grateful. I myself am Japanese and only read the bit that was shown in the video, so maybe there are other statements I have missed.
Juda's scaling is completely valid and consistent. Zoffy fought as Andro Melos for a time, and most likely scales to his successor Benoit. Even if not, he most certainly does to Andro Mars and Andro Wolf, who he fought alongside and better than, and who could keep up with the Gua siblings. In addition, Father of Ultra defeated Gua in the past, and the Ultra Brothers already scale to him by the time of Ultraman Ace, and most certainly by the time of Taro. Even prior to the Showa series, Zoffy's beam is stated to have outmatched Ken's in the Ultra Olympics, which would put even Zoffy at the beginning of the series above the same Ken who defeated Juda, who already by then was going to destroy the universe. Between this and both Mold and Gina being stronger than Juda, there should be no questions. I'm not certain about how one would scale distortions, but if Juda used his own power to distort the universe and destroy it, there shouldn't be much debate here either.
I most certainly disagree that Heisei Godzilla is far stronger than any Ultraman. Shodai by the end of Heisei and by Reiwa most certainly clears him unless one uses extremely vague and unreliable scaling, and even then the same could be done to the Ultras, such as Noa by the time of Nexus and anyone who scales to and above him through Etelgar, to whom even base Ginga and Victory scale. That or Shin Ultraman's massively multidimensional scaling, one can't have too many options to choose from.
I doubt cellular destruction would do nothing, it is what the Oxygen Destroyer does after all. I would like scans or statements which say that the masers do the same thing. I would also like to know when it is shown that Godzilla adapted to mental attacks. Even then, he has no answers to the likes of telekinesis and paralysis. Hedorah's regeneration was not so much countered by Godzilla himself, as he utilized the JSDF's trap in his battle, and moreso was linked to him abusing Hedorah's weakness to electricity and by destroying his core, without which he could not regenerate. Bref, it came from his usage of his surroundings rather than any ability of his own. In fact, Hedorah mostly shrugged off all of Godzilla's own attacks. It has been a bit of time since I watched vs Hedorah, however, so do correct me if I'm wrong. I will try to rewatch the movie tonight if possible.
Ultraman's 3 minute timer is never stated in the show and, by the time of his guest appearances in later Showa shows, is completely gone. Even during the OG series he fought for 4 minutes and a half against Gyango. He stayed on Earth for roughly half an episode during Ultraman Leo, and seemed to have no trouble during Ultraman Taro either. He also has no problem staying on Earth for much of the Ultraman Mebius movie, by which he's weaker than his peak at the end of Showa due to using most of his energy when sealing Yapool. If push comes to shove, he can fly into the upper atmosphere to replenish his energy, as is described in the Ultra Hissastu-Waza Daihyakka, which eliminates the weakness.
I would like statements that Godzilla is stronger so consistently. All those shown in this video are either outdated by the time of the end of Showa or unreliable, not to mention that using magazine statements in general shouldn't be a valued source. There is one which says Showa Gamera is equally strong as Godzilla, and we both know that this is not true. Those magazines that talk about what-if crossovers were made for the entertainment of kids with no thought put into continuity nor consistency with the main series, and it makes zero sense to take them for granted.
As for whether Ultraman would use the tactics, it is of no importance. First of all, in such debates we should assume that both fighters are at their peaks and ignore inconsistent writing. Godzilla was harmed by regular electric grids in King Kong vs Godzilla, and fought an extended battle against Ebirah, a foe he should not have struggled much against. He also relied more on throwing stones against Ghidorah in Three-Headed Monster, and in vs Hedorah didn't use his Atomic Breath nearly as much as he should have, especially against Hedorah's flying form. Neither of these two are consistent fighters, but we need to look over the writing and take them at their best for such a battle to function. Even if we were to assume a fight in these inconsistencies, Ultraman's lifting strength and speed is so far above Godzilla's that there would be no difficulties in him beating the King of the Monsters. In simpler feats, Telesdon and Giradorus are far heavier than any kaiju in Godzilla. In more out there feats, Jack could escape a black hole and withstand the pressure of being inside one. Before the events of Showa Ultraman, Early Type Belial's Ultra Psychokinesis could move the Plasma Spark, an artificial star, and Early Style Ken, weaker than his form in the Showa series, was already stronger than him, to where Belial needed the Plasma Spark to overake him in the first place.
I hope to hear from you again. I must admit, my knowledge of Showa Godzilla is rather vague compared to Showa Ultraman, as I have watched all of the Showa Ultra series but only roughly half or so of the Showa Godzilla movies, so maybe there are things you might be able to enlighten me in. Peace ☆
Though can we all agree with Showa Godzilla and Showa Ultraman solo monsterverse? Monsterverse is overrated
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 yea, especially how there are a lot of people saying MV Godzilla win just because they said he’s the next strongest Godzilla
@kazanshin4108 And here I thought I was the only one that thought 80 > Leo in his run that’s fantastic
I was the one who helped on Ron’s vid help him with scaling and such and I’m glad to see and Ultraman fan/scaler having a reasonable discussion instead of screeching or being dishonest (I have dealt with many)
admittedly, I’m still getting into the series(I still need to finish the Showa era I got like two series left) I wasn’t actually where there was a Mebius novel Then again finding Japanese scans for Ultraman is like finding A needle in a haystack I’ve been lucky enough to find Chinese websites that unironically, have loads and loads of threads for each character.
I will be fair and say that Ultramans feats in the series before like say 80 When they were that whole tournament with them fighting each other in which he’d downscale from 80 at that point, are a bit lacking (bro either shows up to get wacked by the new villain or has to jump with other Ultras)
Tho if the Mebius novel is correct he’s definitely a Lot stronger then.
Probably one of the most known and talked about debates out there
To be honest both are the goat that inspired Evangelion and others kaiju
dont forget pokemon
And pretty much every japanese media@@ashwolf2006
@@ashwolf2006 and dragonball, pacific, aot, and pretty much everything japan has made since 1966
Godzilla > Ultraman ❌️
Godzilla < Ultraman ❌️
Godzilla 🤝 Ultraman ✅️
depends what ultraman your talking about
a Ultraman zero is stronger
strongest Ultraman is Ultraman zero
than 500 stones
thats utraman fire
@@user-zs3mi7cy1k I haven't caught up with Ultraman but isn't the strongest Ultra is Noa? Or at least Legend? Hell, didn't Noa give Zero his armor and bow?
This has slowly become one of my favorite RUclips channels. I love your videos, man. Godzilla for Life
Thanks buddy, glad that you have been digging what I been putting out there, I will continue to grind for the foreseeable future but your support makes my day fr
Showa era Kaiju scaling can be so goofy and I love it
Ultraman Taro is considered as the most goofiest Ultraman, so went they meet they just stop fighting each other and make friends
A part of me do find it particularly unfair that you used Ultraman in only the 1966 show while you used not only Shoaw Godzilla in all of his movies, but also in Zone Fighter, and sure I get it, its cannon. But I think it would've been better if you used the other cannon material other than Ultraman's original show if you're gonna go with every cannon material Showa Godzilla was in.
Yeah, I do find that kinda odd. Like I can understand the exclusion of Heisei Feats onwards, but not letting 66 Ultraman have his feats from the rest of the Showa Era does kinda feel like there's a bit of favouritism at play (Especially when Goji gets to have his scaling from not only all his Showa Films, but from Zone Fighter too)
I also kinda found the analysis a little hard to keep track of sometimes, but that's just sorta what happens to me when power scalers start delving into 4D feats and upscaling shit, not particularly his fault lol
Real, later on in the ultraman franchise, the og ultraman made lots of reappearances, and in the first ultraman series, lore wise ultraman was at weakest state, as in the future he becomes one of the most skilled ultraman warriors on his home planet
@@billy_de_birdBut he doesn’t get that much stronger.
@@ShadowrulzalwaysOf course he does.
@@stimil1556 No he doesn’t. Not his base power. He only got stronger through temporary or situational power ups. He has no base power feats that surpass Universal +.
Heres a fun fact: Akira Toriyama was such a diehard Ultraman fan he always snuck in cameos from Ultraman and Kaiju in his comic Dr. Slump as well as Arale chan cosplaying as them.
In his next manga he really really wanted the main character to have an attack similar to Ultramans Spacium beam. He couldn't use the crossed arms since it wouldn't be original enough and poses with cupped hands forward. After that he named it after a hawaian king and viola!! The kamehameha was born!!
Also, Ultraman wins. No question.
I’d also like to note something that everybody missed so explain to me how ultimate spins so fast he generates light in the vacuum of space with no air friction if that speed Isn’t enough to show a winner another creature moving at the same speed as him was also hitting against him and it surprising just by itself that he can even move that fast
This is unfair not given ultra man his posts show feats and giving Showa Godzilla all his feats so you should give ultraman all his feats since all the Showa era ultraman shows take place in in a single timeline or just Godzilla feats from Godzilla 1954.
would love to see that
Ultraman Noa vs Earth Godzilla perhaps? 🤩
@ConThatTokuBoyHeisei Godzilla stomps Noa.
@@ShadowrulzalwaysDELUSIONAL
@@Shadowrulzalways No
The only way this would be a fair fight for Showa Godzilla (or even any Godzilla in general) is if you only use the feats from the original Ultraman series and not every single one of Ultraman's appearances.
Wouldnt that be composite or are every version of ultraman the same kaiju.
@@rexyjp1237 it's not every single Ultraman. Ultraseven isn't the original Ultraman. It's every single time the original Ultraman appeared.
i subbed to u long time go xd
Most of Ultraman’s feats in his other appearances are not his base level feats.
There second gen king ghidorah that is just a mistake because some books forgot that DAM takes place in the future and so the
Original King ghidorah would still be alive.
The Ultraman downplay is crazy, also 0:10 stop calling Tokusatsu a genre it's a medium.
Plus theres a lot of other things wrong with this:
1.) Scaling Ultraman with ONLY his original series feats and not the other showa shows which he DOES appear in them and they ARE canon to the showa Ultraman timeline while Scaling Godzilla with his Zone Fighter feats is pretty dishonest I'm not gonna lie. (By that logic using Ultramans feats in Mebius is allowed)
2. Using outdated scans of Ghidorah being faster than Ultraman (who Ghidorah is mach 3 and Ultraman is Mach 5 in base btw) is also wrong as it doesn't prove anything other than your bias towards Showa Godzilla. (Also Ghidorah ain't beating Zetton, nice try buddy. 😭🙏)
Not hating on you or anything and tbf this was your first time Scaling Ultraman (and it shows) but please keep bias towards Godzilla down when doing another Godzilla vs Ultraman video.
Good video, though Ultraman shows are generally interconnected in terms of lore and world building, so you could've include feats that Ultraman showcases later on in the other shows throughout Showa. I understand not including Heisei onwards since that'd be an utter stomp, but I feel like his other feats throughout Showa give him a better chance against Showa Godzilla and make it an even closer fight.
Also...the Ultras that take place after are sometimes stronger and sometimes aren't. While that sometimes may be the case that's not a golden rule by any means. Ultraman Jack appeared after the original and he does not upscale in terms of actual strength and speed for the most part, the Ultra Bracelet did most of the heavy lifting.
Edit: Forgot to mention, pretty sure that ending where Ultraman killed Zetton isn't canon.
Well there is a kaiju black king tanked his bracelet, his bracelet can destroyed planet and killed Vacuumon and black king survived it, and in the next episode Jack killed Black King by his own strength
@@AgentVector13 It turns out that the planet feat got retconned later on
Well there is Vacuumon who swallowed multiple stars
@@AgentVector13 Jack poisoned him from the inside if I can recall correctly, so it wasn't a direct strength feat
@@OtromenDeckerDynamicBiruBenda not really, he didn’t poison him but he used one of his bracelet and turned it into a stick and poke it to death, yeah I know it isn’t direct strength feats, but as I’ve said black king tanked his bracelet and Jack in next episode killed him with his own strength, plus you can scale Jack durability as he go inside Vacuumon stomach and still fine from it
Glad I could help with with the vid needed to get out there for both genres.
Aren’t you on Dinomania’s discord server?
@colehamrick6252……………..yes.
Please don't take this as a hate comment, but I strongly believe that it's unfair to take Godzilla's feats throughout his entire Showa ERA run, but only let Ultraman have his debut season abilities.
Showa Godzilla is a specific variant of the character for a specific time frame.
But OG Ultraman is still OG Ultraman, including the abilities that he gains in the future (barring non-canon media, obviously).
If you want to highlight ALL of Showa Godzilla's feats, then to be truly fair you must include ALL of OG Ultraman's as well.
Or, if you are adamant on playing by your own rules, then Showa Godzilla's abilities should also be limited strictly to what was shown his debut movie as well.
Yes, you could argue that the "more correct" matchup would be unfair too because Ultraman get more screentime to show off his abilities etc.
But that just implies that the premise of this fight was never fair to begin with, yet you skewed the setup in favor of Godzilla.
True, but, as far as I've seen, Ultraman stays pretty consistent, even in later outings.
I strongly believe in this sentiment as well!
It's important to keep in mind that the og Ultraman is but one member of a race of beings like him that number in the billions. The Ultras all vary in power and whenever an ultra comes across a monster they can't beat, they often call in reinforcements. (If the SSSP hadn't gotten to Zetton first, Zoffy most likely intended to step into the battle) The Ultras are actually higher dimensional beings, (as they stay in their "inner space" when not manifested and in human form) and that factor alone puts them on a different playing field than Godzilla. They each also possess a unique form of energy (Ultraman has Spacium, while Ultraseven has Emerium, etc) so there are many Ultras exponentially more powerful than the one in the 1966 series. My point is that while Godzilla would definetly beat the original ultraman in a fight, in your average scenario, other Ultras would get involved and probably end up taking him down. (The same does apply to Godzilla though, with allies like Anguirus, Rodan, and King Ceaser who is probably the biggest threat due to his power to absorb and redirect beam energy)
Showa era Ultraseven Eye Sluggler is too overpowered, if he can slice or chop every Kaijus or Seijins he obviously going to chopped Godzilla easily. Ultraman Ace Ultra Guillotine is also same as the Eye Sluggler but better and more brutal. Btw, one advantage Ultraseven had is he can hold very long time, not like others Ultramans that only hold on the earth for 3 minutes
As a big fan of both franchises, the left and right half of my body are currently at war with eachother
Bro he DownPlayed Ultraman with Fanmade Guides and Think we dont gonna Notice! 💀
0:58 Mosugoji (which was used for a kaiju in Ultra Q, Gomess) with the Daisensogoji's head
Yessir I love getting out of school at three to get a new great video from you bro, keep it up I love your videos
Amazing video! I'm curious though... can you do a video on Rodan vs. Gyaos? Either showa or heisei
Any rodan can destroy any version of gyaos 💀
Well even if you made Godzilla win, at least you didn’t downplay Ultraman’s feats especially you can upscale heisei, new generation and Reiwa ultras to universe level+
I need this video so bad man thank you
Great vid man, although i dont completely agree that being able to attack a 4d being automatically makes ya universal, like for example Guts from berserk can attack astral beings because of his sword bathing in a lot of demon blood, like just because ya can now kill this astral spirit, that doesn't make Guts strength or AP Solar System or Universal level.
Im i comparing 2 completely different things and dont realize it? Lolz
Like, it kinda sounds like super power scale wanking. Lolz
Like are we sure we aren't taking notes a little too literally? Cuz taking statements literally can lead to Naruto being universal or Super Buu being Omnipotent, stuff like that.
Well at least other feats like large star level to solar system from both of them are valid
Since Showa godzilla is getting zone fighter scaling, it would make sense to give the og ultraman all his appearances instead of sticking to the og show.
Yeah that would be fair
@ressyres35To be fair if we wanted to go by that we would have to get into the later appearances of Godzilla as well and It just gets over complicated this is just to stick to the eras of which both characters appear since this is arguing by a lot of people, Plus Ultraman even in the Showa era doesn't really have a lot of showings outside of his original run.
@@chaddormammu646 not really. It's specifically showings of the original ultraman vs the showa godzilla, and he already used showa scaling through zone fighter. whilst the og ultraman shows up in more than just the original show, whilst showa godzilla has his era of movies but doesnt stretch to heisei and beyond. If godzilla gets it then ultraman should get it too.
@ressyres35 Even if we grant him that like just in the Showa era same as Showa Godzilla right?
What does Ultraman really have?
He shows up in Jack just to bust him out.
In Ace he gets tied up by Yapool and used as bait.
In Taro he gets beat up by Tyrant and needs help to even beat Temperor.
In Leo he has to team up with the other Ultra brothers just to fight Leo with Leo overpowering them consistently and not trying to hurt them and having to use a triple beam attack just to Incapacitate Leo?
He literally has nothing beyond that heck Ultraman Jack and Seven has better showings then him in the Showa era.
@@chaddormammu646 uh yeah? Had moments of lifting strength comparable to neo. Was able to trade multiple blows with belial when singled out, granted he eventually lost, the fact he isnt getting straight up oneshot by belial of all people is an upgrade more than anything. Survived attacks from ginga as well, etc.
The guidebook your where referring to is a non canon guidebook called 怪獣格闘の書籍 aka monster fighting books. It was written by a radio moderator for entertainment purposes and is basically fan fiction. It’s not even a story.
besides that:
I mean what did Ebirah actually do in the movie? Nothing impressive. A random scratch or a punch from showa Godzilla can’t do shit against a Star.
The scaling behind this doesn’t make any sense anyway. They took a random statement from a fansub as evidence that King Ghidorah is somehow a better weapon than the Garoga Aliens rockets, that destroyed a planet, even through we’ve seen in the intro that a Garoga rocket can destroy an entire planet much faster than Ghidorah ever could. Because then Ghidorah wouldn’t need to slowly destroy its surface with gravity bolts that can at most level a city.
Yes, Ghidorah wiped out the civilization on venus but he didn’t destroy it as we’ve seen in Zone Fighter because Zone and Ghidorah are actually fighting there near the end of the two parter.
Ghidorah also didn’t darken the sky, it was the garoga prism that did it. Not a regular ability that Ghidorah has. So not at all scaleable.
Any showa Godzilla kaijus is at most a civilization destroyer. (only the really powerful ones) At worst building level like Gezora or Ganimes. Showa Godzilla can’t destroy a planet.
Vs battle logic doesn’t make any sense anyway.
By their logic you could scale a basic human to atleast city level in real life.
President can destroy a city with a nuke < Me who can beat his old ass up in a fight. Means by vs battle wiki logic that i‘m atleast city level.
Not every random scratch of Gigan can level the solar system. lmao
tldr:
showa Godzilla attack’s can’t shatter a star which means that Ebirah doesn’t have large star level durability.
using 66 ultraman puts him at a lowball here. some of the strongest would wipe out any Godzilla that ain't Ultima or Comp
Ultraman defeated monsters that can end the universe and can warp reality and break the 4th wall. Pretty sure Ultraman has this in the bag. And it feels like you just DOWNPLAYED him just so Showa Godzilla can win. Wow. Just wow.
Love this video I have been waiting for this for so long
Using only feats from the original show and thinking the other shows aren’t canon just to make Showa stronger is brilliant! I’m astonished!
i'd like to see how you would go about a godzilla battle royal scenario with the movies, comics, and TV shows.. i think that would be AMAZINGLY interesting seeing as you're quite well versed in godzilla like myself... LOVE YOUR VIDEOS keep up the work...
Although I would disagree about it I still enjoyed the video since it was fun to watch
You should do a video scaling red from the nes godzilla. He isn't that touch in the power scaling side of things. Also w vid
Stardust speedway music👍👍 great video
Ultraseven with Eye Sluggler and Ace with Ultra Guillotine come in: I'm about to chopped this guy off
I'd give you some ideas:
1.debunking legendary godzilla(4-5D scaling)
2.TOKYO SOS godzilla scaling
3.millenium godzilla scaling
4.FW godzilla vs. legendary godzilla
5.millenium godzilla vs. Godzilla earth
6.keizerzilla scaling
7.zeno vs. Burningzilla
8.SSJ3 goku&vegeta vs. Old kratos
9.satima debunk(infinite power)
10.kid buu vs. Wuhan
The first one is truth though.
2. S.O.S. Is below planetary
3. Depends on which one you’re talking about since they are different cannons
4. Legendary EASILY
5. Godzilla earth sweeps
7. Zeno
Been waiting for this 🔥 EDIT After The Video: The Big G did it :D. Congrats Showa 👍
The bigger question will we get an American ultraman movie? And will it be cannon to the monsterverse
And will the design be a bit more alienish so it won't look like the original just cgi
First before I even say anything this is a question/argument against the statement don’t get me wrong. Your videos are good and you put a lot of effort in it but how/he can spin so fast in the vacuum space he can generate light also to also say about his defence use hitting against something equally as fast and it’s just surprising, he can’t even move that fast so I’m willing to say I think Ultraman should take the win
Ultras are causally muitiverse level and Man Nisan is still a good base amp for a lot of them. Orb and Geed don't really count, Orb is basically nerfed outside of Origin and Geed's movie form is clearly above base. X though counts... and he was in his Exceed state. So yeah. Also Ultraman Zero exists.
Also creator statements place Ultraman above Godzilla by 66, so this can honestly go eiver way.
13:56 this kinda stops at Taro (the 6th show) as later shows Ultras would vary in power level
Leo was comparable thanks to Dan putting him through hell with training. But yeah, Taro was kinda the peak of showa main ultras strength
@@flyingfish64yes lol, he is only one can make this giant nuclear Komodo befriends since of both very childish and goofy nature
@@elkingoh4543 especially after saving the opera singing hippo in his show, I believe it
Me waiting for someone to make a video about Monsterverse Godzilla vs Ultraman Z:
Tho it’s really unfair fight, Ultraman Z stomps no diff
@@AgentVector13 I highly agree
@@TheOnlyKeiXRtrue and there is alao unfair ultraman arc vs godzilla minus one yeah ultraman arc would be powerfull
ok. i got a match up, Ultraman Tiga vs heisei godzilla. no idea who wins personally, i know a bit more about the heisei gman then i do about ultraman tiga. but their both from the same era that being heisei, so i wanna see who would win.
Ultraman Tiga (Heisei Era) = Heisei Godzilla
Ultraman Tiga (New Generation Era - Reiwa Era) >>> Heisei Godzilla
Do not scale other ultramen like they are completely broken in my opinion and dont get me started with Nexus.
Everybody gangsta intil taro comes in with the them hands
Taro, Ultraman Number 6!!
Either he put on his mom ultra bracelet or nuking Godzilla with creeper mod
Like the added metal sonic theme. Nice
And the seaside hill
Stopping these kids from saying First
First
Damn, you got him good
I would say Godzilla is slower because when you compared ghidorahs speed you forgot that flight speed is not combat speed ghidorah has not shown his full speed when fighting Godzilla
I probably should have audibly said it but, Zone fighter and ghidorah were able to fight and react to each other while fighting at those speeds, so ghidorahs travel speed scales to his base reaction time and attack speed so goji scales to that
@@Goji-C can you do another one pls
maga orochi vs destoroyah
would be interesting
Ultraman is supposed to feel like somewhat of an underdog battling the villain if the week, while Godzilla is an unstoppable villain/superhero. The winner is obvious
Can you scale every godzilla villain or top 10 just to show who is the strongest
Bro, u did not study ultraman for shit 💀
LMFAO
And this is why Godzilla and ultraman would be best friends
This man really made the most biased video of all time purposely choosing weaker feats and versions of ultraman lol a simple google search disproves half this video lol
I lowballed both characters to feats shown in each series, I said that in the start of the video. You can scale to higher using later stuff but that’s overly confusing and Godzilla still wins lmao
@@Goji-C I think this is fair, only including Ultraman's feats from 1966-1967 is actually giving Godzilla a fair fight. If it's Shodai from 2024 tho... Let's just say it won't be fair
This is BS! No way Ghidorah upscales a *car compactor!*
yeah no
Showa has some feats but Ultraman has beat aliens and creatures more stronger than some Godzilla kaijus, not mention the variaty of gadgets and weapons that can one shot godzilla
also the feats of Godzilla are so confusing, yeah he beat some aliens in Zone Fighter but he also lose to two larvas and an electric monkey
also he cant beat Ghidorah without help of other kaiju
Too be fair the mothra babies and kong were like very early in the Showa era. Godzilla grows in strength drastically over the era. So I wouldn’t say those showcases are an accurate assessment of his peak by destory all monsters. And yes he couldn’t beat Ghidorah without help. But ghidorah isn’t like infinitely stronger then Godzilla as anguruis and goro made ghidorah bleed and broke his back respectively, Showa Godzilla is obviously stronger than those guys so yeah
Godzilla is constantly growing and getting stronger. 90% of other Kaiju don’t do that.
@@meaonlineracing263 well Ultraman also growing stronger if we using current ultraman
@@meaonlineracing263 all ultras are constantly becoming stronger
like in the original zero gaiden, zero struggled against one darclops
but by the time of the ultra galaxy fight trilogy (forgot which one) even geed can stomp a bunch of darclops in the ruins of the belial galactic empire
yeah no
Honestly i dont care that godzilla defeats ultraman i just care about that someone finally decided to finally powerscale ultraman bro
So how can Godzilla be faster than light but get hit by missiles and bullets?
Good question! And it’s actually rather simple the missles and bullets don’t hurt him so he doesn’t attempt to block or dodge them. Showa era Kaiju consistently block and evade projectiles from other Kaiju as those actually hurt them. Hope that helps 👍
Interesing match,not just some argue like Godzilla are bigger he win,btw Man nii San have little feat compare to other Ultra(and you don’t count Man later appearances tho) if this match use Man later appearances or Ultra like X this match will different but with only his series Weo,he’s lose
Anyway,decent vid
If possible i feel like we need godzilla earth vs final wars. Im dying to know
If you have watched Ultraman you would know that they travel from their planet to the earth in about 10 seconds of summon
I'm a massive Godzilla fan, more so than Ultraman, but it would just feels wrong if Ultraman lost to him.
I disagree but I respect your opinion
Before you go on the godzilla hiatus can you please do why space godzilla vs void ghidorah is closer than you think/isn't close or why destroyah vs keizer ghidorah isn't close
Well it was said that Kaiser ghidorah was the strongest
@@Zeil_tha_dragon but destroyah is no ghidorah
@@Zeil_tha_dragonin his own universe at best
@@Zeil_tha_dragonDestoroyah sweeps 💀
godzilla would be an early episode monster of the week in any ultra series he's not beating the og ultraman lol
Showa Goji bodies Showa Ultraman.
While Ultraman *may* be faster and definitely has better abilities, he is not as strong as Godzilla and some of his haxes like telekinesis won't work on him due to Godzilla having better Lifting Strength.
Godzilla also one-shots. Being 4-D doesn't really make you automatically Uni+, and Dorola does create 4-D spaces which Zone Fighter destroys with his energy attack, which is blatantly attack potency, something which Bullton doesn't has.
In terms of fighting, Godzilla is also better, using his more powerful abilities first compared to Ultraman whose overpowered abilities come only as finishers and are never used again, something which won't really happen due to Godzilla likely blitzing and straight up one-shotting his ass.
Ultraman may have defeated Jirass, but that's a fake Godzilla, and the real one wouldn't be this easy.
Well tbf, creating a 4D space also does not qualify as an actual 4D as its lack of info without any further proof. Although while I do agree showa Godzilla beat showa Ultraman, but it would be a high difficult
Ultraman is winning bruh, the feats shown and used are from non canonical magazines 💀
Godzilla is unrivaled. It’s not even a comparison. It’s whoever can be second best.
Tbf, it depends on which Godzilla version, but Ultraman does solo most of Godzilla versions
It is a pretty fair fight, ultraman stomps 80% of the Godzilla encarnation
16:00
Goji might have won but Ultraman has some cake
Can anyone tell me what’s the name of the book with the ghidorah vs zetton fight and the speed thing at 15:36 please
@diorraices9013 Keibunsha's Encyclopedia 174 "Kaiju Monokei Encyclopedia",
I have a few gripes with this.
I am a huge fan of both godzilla and ultraman, have been for years, but i personally disagree with this.
Dorola having 4th dimensional powers does not make him 4D. Dorola was created by 3D beings, and is 3D, just with 4th dimensional abilities. This does not change his dimensionality as you think it would, it would only grant him 4D hax and abilities, so godzilla and zone have an 4D hax resistance, though the other proof from what i see is valid.
I feel as though the most you down play is the speed. We know that ultraman was able to go from earth to the land of light and back in the same day, so it could not have been any less then a few hours. Assuming it took less then 2 hours, and the fact that 1 light year is 6 trillion miles, then we have the land of light being 18 trillion miles from earth
2 ÷ 18 trillion = 9 trillion
So ultraman in the 1966 show would be 9 trillion times the speed of light, out doing your own billions of times speed scale for godzilla.
Now you may mention taro taking a day, and that all ultras are superior to the last. It is pretty clear that it is simply an outlier anti feat, as weaker ultras (their not stronger then the last taro is just the physical strongest) were able to do higher levels of speeds on top of power creeps. Which speaking of, because of ultraman being the top dog at the end, his speed should be even more trillions of times the speed of light.
This wasnt even brought up here but its worth mentioning that ultraman also takes the edge in iq and biq, but this should be a no brainer given how the ultras are highly intelligent beings who train for most of their lives.
I will mention the infinite power scan. You say that there isn't much proof to back this up, although ultraman definitely scales above High 3-A, so it's not hard to imagine the infinite strength statement being valid. This would also grant monsters like gomora zetton and bullton are higher level into infinity, which could support low multiversal 66 show ultraman, though that's a little bit of a high ball so I'll keep it around high end uni+.
Overall, with the speed advantage, higher intelligence, far greater experience, and the possible complete outscale, ultraman would deafet godzilla with mid-high diff.
I am glad you made this video, ultraman scaling is highly underrated and downplayed, i think they could get higher, but this is only the original 60s show so eh.
One thing to mention, toho is very strict on crossovers with godzilla, and that the feats from the show and movies directly contradict ghidorah being faster.
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Disagree highly
Bro Ultraman is stronger because he fought 34 (counting the teamers) in one movie and Ultraman 2022 defeated huge zetton
Ultraman vs Eva unit 01 when?
W vid
Ultra man would try to reason with Godzilla before fighting the Gman. They would make a truce in the end
Ultraman Taro be like:
literary fo pah, do you think Goji actually thinks a car compactor is weaker than Ghidora, no the car compactor is way stronger the show runners were serious and had great continuity for their verse
I feel like Godzilla vs Ultraman would be a good fight but I feel like Godzilla would win after a long and brutal fight.
I think to be honest godzilla and ultraman are evenly match
Bruh. Never knew showa goji was THAT strong tbh.
He is
Showa Gangs are broken as hell
Only in powerscaling fan canon. In real canon godzilla is fodder compared to ultramen
Can you please do a video on (heisei) godzilla vs superman, everywhere i go i see dc fans treating godzilla like just a fat lizard.
Nice video!
Ay showa era how silly it was
One ultraman has the ultra slash which can cut through anything ultraman wins no dif basically you never seen a single episode of ultraman
MY GOOFY BOY LETS GO
Can you do Gomora ultra gaxlay vs Heisei Godzilla
this is more armoured darkness vs destoroyah. but yes, rei's gomora by ultra galaxy legends one taps heisei (without any logical leaps)
I’m gonna say it i don’t personally know ultraman but I’ve heard of the kaiju he’s fought
what kaijus? btw do you think any ultra kaijus could beat any godzilla kaiju?
Z E T T O N
@@memebaltan ye
We need the Ultrafraud tshirt merch
@ThatManConzilladunno
Random Godzilla fan wants that
@ThatManConzillai honestly dont know
@ThatManConzilla I haven’t watched a single ultraman show/movie but more people need to put respect on ultraman’s name
@@MFSKiryu_2002gamers and Kamen Rider ..don't forget that
Eh every TOKUSATSU media should be respected..not just Godzilla
@@farispramudia9653 oh yeah him
Car compacter vs the brick wall
Two classic titans battling it out
I Just Came
How about Medaka Kurokami Vs Shin Godzilla?
This begs the question, which ultra could beat goji?
The Ultras hat is superior than the original one
@@farispramudia9653 I think it would take a heisei ultra to do it, like tiga
@@tomhossain2099 considering he upscale OG Ultraman to universe level+ then I’m pretty sure heisei ultras can take out heisei Godzilla, because of their power increased 25x to over 50x times stronger than showa era ultras
I'd say Taro or Mebius. Since they are stronger than their previous predecessors.
@@AgentVector13bruh, heisei scales to 5d. I haven't seen an ultra reaching 5d tbh
You should do hey say Godzilla versus hey say Ultraman
I think they would be friends.
Ultraman vs Hedorah
Ultraman pretty much win
Big lizard vs Big Power Ranger
Power ranger? More like Super sentai
Super sentai neg power ranger anyway
Good bideo Goji-Chronic
After watching the showa Godzilla video and this one me and my friends have heavily downplayed him.
4:58 STARDUST SPEEDWAY BAD FUTURE JAPAN
Dope🎉
man, imagine if the all the fiction geeks joined force to do something more meaningful (instead of just debating in vs battles)
umanity probably would have cured cancer by now.