Probably the only one that's actually good? Considering all the shit we've seen thus far from live-action adaptations. I guess Detective Pikachu as well, but that movie was actually incredibly stupid, it's just really fun to watch.
It should be called NPCs: Facing the Player Seriously, the Omega is the Player and loads the game whenever it ragequits. Mankind is just npcs... That sucks.
When I first read about the Movie in Empire magazine in 2013, it was called "All You Need Is Kill", then once marketing begun they decided on "Edge of Tomorrow", but because it didn't Box Office well they decided to change the name AGAIN to "Live, Die, Repeat" this movie had some of the worst marketing i have seen in recent years, this isn't saying the trailers were bad, but there was just not good management of marketing to let enough people know about it and get a decent Box office, it's a shame.
7:00 the reason why the Alphas are on the battlefield is to observe the combat, the information will get sent to the Omega which will adjust how the mimics react to the soldiers. If the Alphas were hidden away then they wouldn't be able to observe the combat. It's really poorly explained in the movie, I only know this because I read the book this was based on, 'All You Need Is Kill'.
HnyBdgr Commando I'm not sure why, but in the book the alphas are considered to be the eyes of the battlefield, like a colonel who can change and "mimic" the tactics of the enemy to win. Therefor the Alphas have to be in the field.
+MoviesForLife I didn't think it was poorly explained. Cruise literally becomes the 'Alpha' for the human forces. That's all the audience has to know to understand that the Mimic Alpha did the same thing for Mimic forces.
+MoviesForLife Oh, now it makes sense why they're called mimics. Me and my best friend watched this movie and also greatly enjoyed it, but also nitpicked the shit out of it. And one thing that bugged us was their name "mimics", we both expected something that could shapeshift or something like that, especially with the big guy's shirt saying "mimic this".
+MoviesForLife If the Alphas are so important for observing the combat, why does the movie state that they are so incredibly rare? You'd think that to get a lot of valuable information from the battlefield, you'd need a bit more than one observer out of 6 million cannon fodder troops.
I think half of this analisys could have been skipped if they said in the movie that resetting time is an acquired, involontary, knee-jerk reaction on the part of the Omega rather than an ability. It's poorly explained, but if you think of it as something an alien organism evolved into and can't be controlled - much like a heart beat - it suddenly makes a bit more sense that a human could accidentally steal it and use it against it without the Omega simply deciding to keep its Alphas away from battle. Way far into nitpicking territory, though; the movie was unexpectedly fun, surpassed expectations but is not a masterpiece.
Same. I thought of the power like "if my troops win and kill everything g and I win, great, if my troops die then I reset and try again" just kind of a biological trial and error type system.
The movie says "when an alpha is killed an AUTOMATIC RESPONSE IS TRIGGERED and the omega starts the day over again" That's what Emily blunt says. It is never implied that they can do it voluntarily, the movie explicitly says that it's an automatic response to an alpha's death. It's like a passive ability. You don't activate it, it triggers when a condition is met.
Cheap Tactics it’s also JUST A THEORY THEY GO OFF OF. They don’t actually know if that’s how it works because there just hypothetically giving an answer they can come up with. You interpret it however you want.
@@DwWarWolf sure yeah, it's a theory, but still, you don't just completely ignore this theory and sya the exact opposite multiple times in the entire review, cause it fits what happens throughout the movie more than what they're actually saying.
@@THEPELADOMASTERbut one of his points was that its aware of its power by nature of the plot alone, so it could take advantage of this by having the alpha kill itself, the issue still stands
I have to admit, I had a lot of the complaints about the time traveling that you did until I realized two things. 1)The day resetting for Tom and the day resetting for the Omega are independent of each other and 2)The aliens aren't as "perfect" as the human race thinks they are. They keep doing the same thing over and over and looking in the same spots because they have no idea that they've been through this before. Their tactics are so bad because they're acting completely on instinct and the day resetting power is just something that kicks in. I don't believe the aliens are hyper intelligent, they just have a very unique evolutionary defense mechanism. EDIT: Your idea of a time traveling army is incredibly badass. Just have him go to the battlefield where he got his powers, kill a bunch of alphas directly over other soldiers (which would take a lot of practice but he has infinite time) and then travel back to the battlefield with them to do the same thing ad nauseum until everyone is an immortal time traveler. Hell, in that case, we could even have a sequel to this movie that takes a different direction and examines what it means to have such a large group of people that cannot die.
Great idea! Also, this way the human race could even move on to conquer the universe, and become the villains of the story. They could grow Omegas so they could keep producing immortal soldiers and increasingly expand the evil Human Empire throughout the universe.
Exactly, they keep re-doing the day until they win. Plus I felt like he didn't think about the possibility that Tom Cruise became the Omega/took over the Omega's powers in the end, not just killing it
Zachary Hastings Hi. You mean that Tom Cruise getting the Alphas blood turned him into an Omega AND an Alpha? Also, you said that the Mimics don't know their tactics before the "day" that Tom Cruise resets, so how can they remember their tactics when they reset the "day"? I just think this is an alright movie, with a neat idea, that they don't even follow the rules of.
But doesn't the movie explain that only one Alpha has the ability to go back in time. Because while the Mimics in the film mostly work on instinct, but the Alphas not in the loop do have intelligence, and they are aware of what happened the previous loop, like when they try flying the helicopter. If the other Alphas had the power to travel back, and they do have enough intelligence to act out tactics and plan out what to do the next time time resets, then they would have done something like bleed him out or purposefully wound him enough where he doesn't die and he gets a blood transfusion by a clinic. Now if they went in the direction of the source material, where when you kill the Mimic that travels back in time, your brain picks up and sends out this signal released upon death, where you AND the Mimics tied into the loop go back in time, and even if you kill all living things picking up the signal, the day still loops, including other people who got stuck in the loop so long as there is more than one thing sending and receiving. So the only way to go further than the day of the battle is to not allow anything that picks up and sends the signal except yourself. So we would of had the set up of a good scene where the person in the loop and the person who use to be in the loop but still has previous experience in it are forced to kill one or the other to just continue to the next day, or one of them kills themselves so the other one gets to live if they include the two of them falling in love or becoming incredibly close.
/Alpha blood gets spilled on an earthworm/ /Earthworm dies time and time again/ /Earthworm has lived so long it effectively knows how to understand and speak English (for convenience sake)/ "Life is ceaseless misery." Man. Groundhog Day is way weirder than I remember.
Your points are valid, but in the midst of your complaints, you skipped over probably the best edit in 2014. "ON YOUR FEET, MAGGOT!" *Bang* "...MAGGOT!" *Bang* "...MAGGOT!" *Bang*
Honestly the whole ending fiasco could have been kept realistic and made a much more interesting ending e.g.: He wakes up as a fresh recruit, only to find people cheering in the background. The reason? All of the Mimics withered and died suddenly. They've won. He walks around the base (everyone's too excited to notice or care) to tap Emily on the shoulder and tell her some personal information and that hes the reason for the aliens dying and she looks at him all funny before the credits roll. Ooh, and for a bonus scene, they could've included Tom Cruise, now old, in his deathbed, with Blunt comforting him. He dies, only to wake up many years on that day again. The cheering is so loud you can only see Cruise mouth out "FUCK".
+Fred Willington There could have been a lot of great endings, but the majority of them don't have Cruise's character coming out as a "hero" or retaining his "respect" as a ranked officer. The film pandered too much to the audience, something I doubt the original manga would do, and have heard that the source material ends differently as you'd expect if you knew much about Eastern works in general.
What if the day only resets for the person with the power, so like when Tom Cruise is run over by the car for being a dumb ass, the day would reset for him, but now there is also this timeline where Tom Cruise just killed himself and everyone was just like "The fuck was with that guy?"
That would undermine the whole story though. Like, the fact the humans win at the end would be kind of meaningless if there's just infinite still existing timelines where everyone gets wiped out.
I just realised... the omega doesn't restart the day, it restarts from the DAY BEFORE. For example: Day 1: Tom Cruise wakes up in helicopter and goes to see the general and is tasered. Day 2: Tom Cruise wakes up in Heathrow. Day 3: Tom Cruise takes part in invasion of France. Whenever Tom Cruise dies in Day 3, he wakes up in Heathrow (Day 2). On the night of Day 2 when he kills the Omega, he wakes up in the helicopter (Day 1). So this means the whole 'Omega resets the day' is wrong; the Omega resets from the morning of the previous day. We have been lied to... 0_0
I think you're along the right lines, but you've got your timeline a bit screwed up. The day where he wakes up at Heathrow is actually the same day as the same he meets the General. The General said "Tomorrow Operation Downfall begins and a lot of men and women are going to die." So it can't be two days later. It's more like: Day 1, Morning: Meets General. Day 1, Afternoon: Wakes up at Heathrow. Day 2, Morning: Beach at Normandy. But the thing is, in the final run. When he and Rita convince a pilot and J-squad to take them to the Lourve it is the evening of Day 1. As they kill the Omega and he absorbs it's blood, it is just dawning on Day 2. So I believe it is more like it goes back 24 hours, and then to the next time you wake. 24 hours before he dies on the beach, he is still conscious, as he is probably meeting the General. So the next time he wakes, it'll be at Heathrow. While killing the Omega, it is just before dawn, so 24 hours before he is still asleep on the helicopter coming into London, so he wakes then.
Tom Cruise's character is pretty good in this movie. In the beginning he's a bumbling idiot, feigning the facade of a confident and competent military officer, he's the embodiment of this coalition military and his job as a PR guy as the military is masking how screwed humanity is. By the end of the film he becomes humble and sincerely confident and actually devoted to the war effort. This is one of the few Tom Cruise characters with an actual arc.
+the999mann I was blown away by the military incompetence of the humans in this. Where the fuck is the artillery? Fixed-wing air support? AC-130 gunships, which would be damn near perfect for reducing a Mimic horde. Where were the SEALs surveying and scouting the beaches ahead of the invasion, which would have discovered the Mimic drones buried in the sand waiting in ambush? And, seriously, France, a nuclear power, was overrun and DIDN'T go nuclear!? Millions of Mimics should have been killed by the tactical use of nuclear weapons.
***** I'm a writer. I am currently working on a science fiction series where the 9/11 attacks are postponed until 2004, are much more devastating, and results in a much wider conflict that spirals out of control into WWIII. I have been working on it since 2008, because it requires a mammoth amount of research. I'm currently on the sixth rewrite. I think it is almost done. Why the Hell can't Hollywood do that?
+Locke Silvrel Damn. You have indeed put a great deal of thought into the challenges of effective story-telling, and made me very glad indeed that I'm an SF writer with a great community of authors around me, haha.
i know this is late as FUCK, but, from what I understand, the entire reason they are called mimics is because the alphas relay information about what humans are doing back to the omega, which can time travel and prepare the omniscient army for whats coming. Knowing this, the mimics can essentially counter any military tactic, and just using ground troops instead of nuclear weapons and massive artillery is probably the best approach to minimize human casualties. Imagine they use a nuke, the Omega sees this, goes back in time, and uses the nuke against the humans. This is obviously a worst case scenario for humans
I love this movie a lot. I think Adum's biggest issue is that he's looking at the Omega as a conscious thing, when it's not really. Like they say in the movie, it's a hivemind. Like a colony of bees, but all the bees are connected "telepathically" for lack of a better term. So when an alpha dies, the day is reset instinctively. And the reason it doesn't kill it's own alphas is because it's not aware that it's not one of it's own alphas that's dying and resetting the day. But it can detect that there is an intruder in it's "network" so to speak. Yes, it sends out false visions of the dam, but for all we know, it did that with every alpha one at a time. Now, when Tom Cruise said "they were after my blood", I got the impression not that they wanted to "absorb" his blood, but rather they wanted him to bleed out and die, so he wouldn't reset the day. They also specify that human beings are probably the only species that, when it comes into contact with their blood, enters into the mimic nervous system. They say "The omegas only true weakness is humanity". Meaning in all the planets it has taken over and destroyed, it's never needed to restart the day voluntarily, because no species before has been able to hijack the power, so to speak. Now, why they left the general's office and waited to get into the car to try the device, I don't know. You've got me there haha. I think maybe it's a problem with the film making aspect. Since they left the general's office in the previous life, going back to the office in the next life would feel like they're repeating scenes too much? It's the only reason the movie is tolerable if you think about it. After Cruise's first death, they show him experiencing the next day in real time. Each time the day is reset, they skip more and more of him waking up in handcuffs. At one point where he gets hit by the truck on the beach, they literally just cut to the same spot where he manages to outrun the truck. Saved time, while also not repeating the previous scenes unnecessarily.
7:00 it's heavily implied that only Alphas keep their memories of the events, so to actually know what's going to happen and change the outcome they'd have to be there.
I think what he means is, don't put them in the actual fight. You don't throw generals into a skirmish, and you don't send the things that restart the day into a spot they can be easily picked off, or have their power stolen. They just watch the fight from a distance and off themselves if things go bad.
If an Alpha isn't killed, then the day isn't reset. So having an Alpha watch the battle wouldn't do any good. The point is, if the mimics end up getting surprised and losing a battle, they'll going to lose an Alpha in the process. Alphas also act as wifi routers for the mimics, so they need to be close enough to mimic swarms to control them. In other words you can't have them miles back, and still able to co-ordinate the swarm. This puts them in danger of course, but that's a part of the design. Because if they lose a fight this will cause the the Omega to reset the day, with the memories of it. So now the mimics know about the attack, and can now lay an ambush and adjust tactics accordingly. But Alphas are still protected because the Omega knows about the possibility humans can hijack the process. You actually see that the Alpha only goes areas that have already been won by the mimics and cleared of humans. It also has it's own cohort of bodyguards, who clear the way before it. The only reason Cage was able to get to it was because the mimics thought he was dead like the rest of J-squad, and his bodyguards had already moved passed him. Characters mention at the beach that it seems like the mimics knew they were coming. Well guess what. They did. Because it is implied that actually there was a normal landing that was successful, and the humans secured the landing successfully. In the process of this though they'll have killed the local mimics and Alpha. So the Omega will have been allowed to reset the day with the knowledge of human landing positions, timings and tactics, meaning it can lay in wait. Including burying mimics beneath the sands in key locations (like that crater where J squad regrouped).
@@Ididntchoosethisname So they put alphas in the front in case they lose to resett, but haven't discovered suicide to use that ability in his benefit, so is very convenient they has to act like antennas. so you say they can retain memories and change tactics, then why Tom Cruise is able to memorize things and events that happen exactly the same, unless they can't retain information after Tom win his powers, but in that case, how they would chase him to recover that ability. mimics (and humans) are brilliant or dumb whenever the plot need to.
First it was a light novel, then when the movie came out, shonen jump created a manga series to capitalize on it. If you want to read the original source material, it's called "All you need is Kill"
Yes. The manga is called All you need is kill and it's drawn by the mangaka of Death Note and Bakuman, so you know it's good. It's a one-off and it's published by VIZ manga.
After reading the manga it was based of, I'd make three changes: -Give it an R rating, it ups the stakes way more, even if the main guy isn't going to stay dead, you get to see him really suffer. -Keep the final plot twist, it really changes everything and makes the characters more compelling -the mimics in the manga were horrifying.
So maybe the aliens -- when someone else has the power -- don't actually retain information, but can infer things based upon knowing what other organisms that stole their powers act like. So every "day," they re-learn that Tom Cruise has the power because they look at him and say, "either he's a lucky son of a bitch or he stole my secret sauce."
or a Wizard did it, we both have the exact amount of support from the movie to back those arguments... none. It just didn't explained, and the explanation given are in constant contradiction or don't make sense.
@@jailoutafreecard4414 im pretty sure the movie has internal consistency also: The omega doesn't remember who stole the power, but he knows it was stolen. However, it has a backup set up in case of this situation, with a fake vision that triggers once someone get's far enough into killing mimics, and a Alpha waiting at the fake location. They don't have to know who stole the power, since the only person who would make it to the fake vision location must be the guy who has the power. It's actually a movie that has more internal consistency about it's time travelling rules than most. Think of what i said, and watch the movie again. It makes so much more sense !
The biggest plot hole I noticed was in the very beginning, Tom Cruise's character was literally the frontman for recruiting new soldiers. He said it even when blackmailing the general that he had enough media influence to ruin the generals career. He also said that literally millions of soldiers have been been recruited after he'd done his speeches or presentations. He was on multiple news channels in the beginning too... but somehow saying "he impersonates officers" is okay with everyone? Even though he literally was / is one. ... and you're telling me that nobody in the Army recognises him or his former rank? and that not even a single person would notice that a famous military officer is demoted all the way to a private? That plot hole actually kind of annoyed the shit out of me. What about all of his contacts from the media? Did they just disappear too?
Theyre saying he's a con man, its not so hard to tell the other soldiers that he happens to look alot like the guy on TV so he's just pretending to be him. They're expecting him to die, then they could just say "brave hero chose to go into battle with the men he recruited, RIP, ok let's go to lunch." People aren't going to notice him missing in one or two days, and they ensure he can't use the phone to call anyone.
@@laurendearnley9595but that's still a war crime and the soldiers wouldn't just brush that off. It doesn't matter if he is pretending, they would still recognize him.
@william3100 and do WHAT? They're facing an unwinnable battle against an army which will annihilate the planet if not stopped. Do you think they're really concerned about the fate of some PR guy? Even if they are, by the time the necessary people are called and can pull him out, the battle is likely over.
@laurendearnley9595 not just some PR guy, basically a war criminal. They wouldn't know if he was going to do something bad that could mess everything up. If he impersonates officers, who knows what he will do. There's already a battle for the planet going on. They don't need some guy impersonating officers and potentially fucking things up. Even if they wouldn't have cared, the movie at least should have addressed it in some way.
This is how it works. Are the character decisions optimal to the most logical course of actions? No. But the time travel stuff is visually explained. What is going on is a replacement in the system. I'll get to more of this later. The Omega is an organism capable of controlling all those minions, but only through a specific structure. Like a human brain it can only handle so much stimuli. The alphas ARE the omega's window into the battle. They are the only members of the species that are directly linked to the Omega. The minions have basic motor control and can take basic orders but as we saw it is the Omega through the eyes of the Alphas that gives them orders. The Omega does not experience anything the basic mimics do, at least from their perspective. The Omega, I assume makes the alphas so it can have a presence on the battlefield. This is done by choice, so in some ways, it's not Omega's, Alphas and Betas. It's the Omega, with its personal avatars, Alphas, and its actual drones, Betas. If it didn't create Alphas, it wouldn't have any way to change things on the battlefield and the Betas wouldn't have any possibility of alterations to directives. Remember, this creature is waging a strategic war. The time travel is an involuntary defense mechanism. Every organism has one. For the movie, this alien has one so advanced it's capable of altering Space time. It's not going to kill an alpha to reset the day, because it would be killing itself or inflicting self harm to trigger that response. If you think of it as the Omega's consciousness flowing through the alpha drones, then it doesn't kill itself. That is is a last line of defense kind of thing that it will not trigger voluntarily. It is probably extremely painful and taxing on the Omega itself to reset the day. What happens when Tom cruise meets the alpha is that with his blood flowing through him or on him, the day is reset but the Omega resets Tom Cruise in PLACE of the alpha that died mistakenly, putting Tom Cruise into its system, as an anomaly. An anomaly that it has no direct link to, can't experience it's actions and can't control. Tom Cruise basically hijacks the trigger for the defense mechanism without all the hive mind stuff initially. That's why the Omega doesn't change anything or if it does, it doesn't change anything on Tom Cruise's front of the battle. It has knowledge of where all it's Alphas are but the day keeps getting reset for reasons it can't initially figure out because none of the alphas its connected to are dying, yet the response is being triggered. The Omega is trying to figure out what keeps triggering its defense response. That's why over time, the bond between Tom Cruise and the Omega grows because the Omega slowly gains a link and can send him images and trap him. It still doesn't know who he is, but it can slowly begin to feel him more and more every time he dies. It may have made changes on other battlefronts as it tried to decipher this but we experience the movie from Cruise's perspective, not the Omega's. That's why this movie falls into a lot of Alien vs Human Hollywood troupes. Such as we humans are special. It's very likely that the alien never encountered a situation where the species it was trying to take over was unintentionally capable of bonding with it's biological mainframe in such a way. It would explain its inability to respond accordingly to Tom Cruise's inclusion in the framework. Does this have holes? Yes. Shouldn't the Omega be able to adapt its strategies as the battle proceeds? If you follow my first assumption that the Omega isn't actually directly linked to any of the Betas, then it does make sense that it wouldn't be as quick to see where the tide for the humans was turning on which battlefield. Which mimics were dying faster? What holes were being punched in its defensive line? Furthermore, if Tom Cruise replaced that Alpha then crucial information on that battlefield which the Omega would usually be receiving and the Omega's direct link to the goings on in that field would have disappeared and it would automatically know that that battlefield had to be where it lost its alpha. Finally about the ending. it's another replacement. Tom Cruise replaces the Omega, that senses the alpha that just died, and resets the Day again. Except it's Cruise WHO is the new Omega. Therefore it resets the day around him and his mimics. But he has none and he's not linked to any of them, so the drones all die, because Tom Cruise hijacks the Omega's position. And just like he was alienated from the Omega and all the mimics when he became an Alpha, he alienated all of them from their Omega, thus losing all consciousness. Thus Tom Cruise is a new Omega, but his response can't be triggered because he has no alphas or Betas, he will live out his life as a "Regular" Human. What meses up is that if Tom Cruise replaces the Omega, it no longer makes sense for him to wake up on the base preparing for battle against the momics since there would be no preparation for battle with all the mimics being dead, so they make the decision, int rue Hollywood fashion to wake him up earlier so they, 1. Don't create a paradox with the preparation still going on even though the mimics are dead 2. Give the main hero their happy ending where the love interest comes back from the dead. 3. Gives the hero his reputation back and all is well in his life again.
+Wasabifold When I first saw the movie, I was a bit cheesed off at the ending, mainly because I felt it was nothing more than some stupid deus ex machina bullshit thought up to give audiences a happy ending. I hadn't connected the pieces as well as you, so it's nice to hear that it actually makes sense, but I still say it's stupid deus ex machina bullshit thought up to give audiences a happy ending - it's the biggest deviation from the source material in the entire movie and I feel like it goes counter to the main themes of the original. But that's Hollywood for you, I guess. At least it was a decent film, which doesn't seem to be very common for adaptations of Japanese media, so it's got that going for it.
Kerosin is only flammable at temperatures over 50c so it would most likely not work if you put it in a road car. It has a lower flame point than diesel so would maybe work in a diesel car but I'm not sure if there the pressure is high enough for it to self ignite.
I think you answered your own question of "Why send the alphas into battle." Having one in battle means that if they are losing, and one is killed due to that, the day can reset with their knowledge of the attack. If they are winning and the alpha is not killed, then they just won.
+bh5496 Agreed. I think what they were going for is that the Omega doesn't 'control' the other units, but they act like a autonomous Central Nervous System. The omega doesn't have a will of it's own to reset the day, it's just a organism. The Alphas act like nerves, if they get killed it must mean the battle is not going well so it informs the organism to use a defense mechanism - resetting the day.
+silreenjello I thought that until the part where the omega sents a false vision to Cruise and a alpha stops him from killing himself. That action shows the omega is well aware of what is going on and it's smart enough to do something about it.
Then why the fuck don't they just kill themselves in literally any other way that doesn't put them at risk of spilling their blood on other life forms?
That alpha wasn't trying to die thought, it was trying to kill Tom. They don't kill themselves because if nobody kills the alpha, then that means they're at an advantage, and have no reason to reset the day.
What if the humans somehow managed to kill all the mimics and the omega without killing a single alpha? Would you call that an advantageous position to be in? OF COURSE NOT. YOUR LOGIC IS SHIT.
So, if this omega is 4th dimensional being and able to travel on the timeline WHY THE FUCK doesn't it just go back in time to the day mankind wasn't evolved at all and conquered the place back then?
The mimics and the omega were not aware that the power had shifted at the start of each day, they only became aware at the same time the soldiers became aware on the beach (as Tom Cruise was killing them) meaning it could only implant the visions at the end of the "day" (in which after the reset, the omega would forget it had implanted the vision). As Tom Cruise progresses, the Omega learns more-so that he has indeed stolen the power (note, stolen. The omega and the alphas can no longer reset the day willingly) and thus sets up potential boundaries to thwart his plan. As he has a literal infinite amount of time to find the omega, the omega tries to set up a trap to catch him, only learning some time after 20 or so mimics have died each "day" that he has in fact stolen the power and this is no ordinary "day". For a species that originally had the power of time travel, it has to get used to the fact that it no longer has time travel, and thus makes logical mistakes. This should clear up most of your queries regarding the movie.
That doesn't make sense and is completely inconsistent with how Cruise's experience is presented. Cruise retains information, thus we have no reason to believe that these beings don't *also* retain information after each "reset".
+longliverocknroll5 They're no longer causing the reset. They've lost the ability, and they only realise this as the day progresses. therefore, they don't retain the memory of that day until they regain the ability (the next "day").
OnlyLogic Again, that's logically inconsistent. ALL of the creatures hold the ability to "reset" so saying that by *one* losing the ability and Cruise gaining it, that they *all* lose the ability doesn't make sense and isn't logically consistent.
+longliverocknroll5 Each creature does not have the ability. THE organism, or the whole race as we perceive it, has the ability. If a select part of that creatures' blood is mixed with that of another living organism, that creature cannot die for a "day". The omega (and thus the race) then lose the ability.
I feel like at some point you were going to make a point about the "day" Like, what does the omega qualify as a "day"? Is it for some reason limited to what humans call a "day"? or maybe it just happens to reset 24 hours every time it dies
So that would mean that alphas have to "sleep" in order to reset the day so what if you killed an alpha immediately after it woke up (short enough time that it can't react and stop you no matter what). Wouldn't it loop forever?If this is a huge, planet-conquering race that evolved to be like this, then wouldn't that take millions of years? It's hard to believe that in all of this time (not even considering all of the reset days) that not a single alpha died like this.
Yeah honestly I feel this is one of the times it was probably a good thing they made changes. While I enjoy the manga, it has a way more grimdark tone, which I personally enjoy but feel would have put people off from watching it. Making it more light hearted also allowed it to stand more on its own, instead of being a pale imitation of a story that would still probably have been inferior to the source material. As it is we have two different pieces of work that both tell basically the same story but in two very different and equally entertaining ways.
It bothers me that you kept saying everyone's giving it a 10/10, and calling it the best movie ever, since they're not. A lot of people were just surprised it wasn't a generic action movie, and actually a pretty cool, and unique sci-fi movie. Also, it should have gotten more at the box office, since it, once again, wasn't what a lot of people thought it was going to be.
Acually it’s based on a scene from the manga. The same character has learned a way to actually see ahead and anticipate people’s actions. Fans say it’s due to the fact he also has perfect memory, that has given him the ability to remember scenarios similar to this and act accordingly. Like remembering a problem and finding another that is essential the same/ similar
Imagine fighting a dude and he's dodging every attack, then you hit him once and he says "dammit" just straight up pulls out a gun and shoots himself in the head.
+Slender Mam Being from Germany, they both fucked up the dam, which is actually in Switzerland and the opening news scene where they first establish the aliens landed in Hamburg and then show them conquering europe from the fucking alps. Guess this movie only had american geography knowledge in mind.
+Slender Mam on a positive note, the Israeli news reporter in the opening is played by an actual Israeli news reporter. in a sense this movie has more Israel than world was Z...
VelvetLotus While that is true, Bioshock Infinite also implemented unessary time travel which bassicly destroys the story one you implement the grandfater paradox.
espurious Not all things (like the examples you gave) but I'd probably avoid it since you already have to stretch your sense of reality for it to work even in the good examples. Also it seems like such a cliche thing to do, couldn't we think of something else to do?
This movie handled the time travel concept in a surprisingly tasteful manner... Thankfully it doesn't delve into the dumb "alternate timeline/reality" stuff AT ALL. Which helps. A lot.
I think you misunderstood Emily Blunt’s line about blood. It’s not that the time travel power is inside her blood, she’s saying she got a blood transfusion and thus survived the day which broke her death loop because she didn’t die, which is why she also tells Tom Cruise that if he’s in critical condition he needs to make sure he dies to stay in the loop.
Seems only when they get different blood. Sure the blood type from a transfusion is the same, but dna wise it's not. So since she's replenishing her own blood with her own, while still infected she should be able to keep the power. Otherwise after a week neither of them would have it as blood cells are replaced rather often
@@AlValentyn, It could theoretically only last a week of real time in a human, but the body is reset like everything else after a death so it never comes up.
I would take days off to make things different and interesting. Like I would have a day where I run across the battlefield drunk and/or stark naked and just generally freak out the other soldiers for shits and giggles by doing stuff like killing a mimic and then tea-bagging and singing while smiling maniacally at them.
I'd hook up a sniper rifle and start doing 2360 noscopes. I liked it in Groundhog's day when Bill Murray just did stupid shit like kidnapping the Groundhog.
Im sure the movie skips over the repeats where Tom goes on murderous rampage after a particularly crushing defeat. Im 100% sure this happened at some point, or worse.
I personally enjoyed the movie - wasn't expecting much but I was pleasantly surprised. Nothing world changing but a nice action movie with an intruiging plot (albeit sloppy writing from time to time). + BIG thumbs up for using a track from Death Note in your video.
Seriously, no one has the mental capacity to go through with something like this. Imagine how you'd have to do everything perfectly up to the point where you need to actually progress, and then you die and start over. Your mind would be filled with nothing but the same things you've been doing over and over, you'd probably forget what ur supposed to do by that point. No go man.
It's really not that hard. If you set rules for yourself you can easily find out all the conditions you've made for yourself. For example, let's say one of my rules for making a sandwich is if wheat bread then toasted. You can simplify it into if WB (wheat bread) then T (Toasted). Then you take its contraposition (exact opposite) which would be if not toasted then not wheat bread (-T then - WB). Boom! Then just do the same for the other rules. It's really not that hard to make and follow rules for a movie.
It's basically playing any Call of Duty game in singleplayer mode. Especially the modern warfare series on the highest difficulty. You have to do things just right in just the right order to get through or proceed. It's an amusing parallel.
It's simply impossible, since the only way you retain info is via changes to your brain and any 'reset' of your physical state (i.e. death) would reset your brain as well. So don't worry, there's no magic disembodied soul to learn anything anyway.
***** It's to help understand what a rule truly implies. Taking a contraposition from a rule would be the first step then combing them would be the next. Understanding the relationship between rules is way more important than just the rules themselves. Basically, you can make inferences to better understand your limitations and options. What I'm talking about is understanding propositional logic. What I've explained doesn't cover everything but that doesn't mean it's complicated. I hoped this helped.
@@Brandon-rb4sm Yeah, the characters definitely took the plot seriously! People clearly took the movie seriously....But I guess because the script is just so bad that the only feasible excuse is that the writer just didn't take writing it seriously...therefore it's OK. 🤷 Cool, wish that worked in other jobs, damn.
+secretagentlucario 12 Monkeys did it just fine. I think the real problem is that it's difficult to come up with a compelling drama around such a rigidly nuaced mechanic.
In the manga I believe the "omega" is basically just biological machinery that transfers your memories into a past version of yourself (which is how the loop works) and the "alphas" are its operators who imprinted themselves onto it and activated it to begin the loop (shortly before the battle, which is where the loop begins), they all experience the loop and they all have the ability to restart the loop at will, however the protagonist can only restart the loop by killing himself.
This movie kinda reminds me of dark souls. The whole thing where you do this and that and oh shit you die and try again a shit ton more times till you finally get it right xd
Darksouls had a perfectly logical (well, magical) explanation. You weren't called the ashen one for nothing. You, and most other creatures (except bosses since you steal their souls) are restored because you all are ash and doomed to be reborn. There's also a timeline divergance subplot.
I saw this in the theatre and it was really fun and entertaining. I think you're over thinking it. Just suspend your disbelief and enjoy the fun. Maybe the alphas won't suicide because they consider themselves a single organism, so the concept of suicide would be applied to the whole (which is bad), or it isn't a concept they understand. It's a summer fun movie, and a good one at that. You didn't mention anything about the film's excellent pacing or clever premise that consistently entertains. The movie is well crafted. You also skipped over the romance between the two leads that I thought was actually believable and was actually tender for a minute in the barn. I liked it and I'd watch it again. If film is a visual medium at it's core, plot really isn't the most important aspect of good cinema. The plot was good enough to drive the movie forward, and the entire movie was filled with sci-fi elements that piqued the audience's curiosity. I enjoyed this movie and I hate comic book movies, so it obviously offered me something more than your typical summer CGI garbage fest.
You shouldn't have to suspend your belief this much. But you know, Adam said he liked the movie... but I suppose the point of the "Thought On" are to try and pick apart plot holes and he did get a lot of very important ones. Like, it's fair enough you can easily watch it and not totally get how the mechanics don't make sense, but things like Cage not killing himself after he injected the transponder is just bad. >If film is a visual medium at it's core, plot really isn't the most important aspect of good cinema No no no no no no no. No. No no. Plot is REALLY important to a lot of films... some less that others, sure, and it isn't necessary. Film may be a visual medium but it's also a STORYTELLING medium (generally), so the STORY should try to make sense.
That'd be a weird review if he DIDN'T skip over those things "I didn't much care for these things, but TheClassicSauce thought the premise was clever and the pacing was excellent, and also thought the romantic leads were believable and tender. I'm sure you guys don't know TheClassicSauce, but rest assured, it would have been unprofessional of me to not mention things that are other people's opinions"
NickersonGeneral No, I don't think that's fair. I mean, sure, Adam may not have liked all those things, but in the entire review he mentioned very little he liked, yet said that overall it was enjoyable. I think Adam does sometimes skimp on the positive aspects of films.
"The power is gone. I feel it." No, I'm sure what you're feeling is extreme disorientation from, for the first time in who knows how long, you're NOT waking up on a pile of luggage. Guy has become so used to his crazy Groundhogs Day-esque situation that getting injured and not dying from it has blown his mind! Lol
Smokey McJoint The information could either have been conveyed in the film or not conveyed in the film (ala Austin Powers' time travel car, nobody nitpicks because the movie literally tells you not to worry about it). Since the movie attempted to explain a magical recurring event, it is then held to its explanation. The sin of the film was pretending there was a way to make sense of it.
There's this thing called 'suspension of disbelief' that Adam should adopt when watching movies. He does realize that correcting the errors he pointed out would result in the destruction of the plot structure, and thus maybe sacrificing the pace and maybe the excitement provoked by the initial story ? Sometimes you just gotta accept the codes that the movie presents to you, and just have a good time watching it. Honestly it was a blast for me
Right after Tom dies the first time and the time travel stuff starts: I just stopped trying to wrap my head around it. Explaining time-travel - and in particular in this movie - ends up like the famous Chewbacca defense: It makes no sense and your head explodes ... BUT! It was a lot of fun to watch nevertheless. Most of the fun is simply to see suicide/killing people is done so casually, seeing Tom rolling under the car to get crashed always makes me chuckle. Also those exoskeleton-suits were so fun, as were the battle-scenes in gerneral. Would love something like that, just without time-travel and giger-aliens conquering Earth instead. And Emily Blunt in this armour is gorgeous to watch ... ^^ Guess she hit my soft Femshep-spot here. Hollywood, don't remake franchises with all women as cheap gimmick: Give Emily Blunt her own original sci-fi action franchise!
The way I look at it is that the Mimic isn't really sentient per se, more like an animal with an evolved series of responses that include copying the tactics of its self-aware enemies.
"You should just enjoy the movie by ignoring parts of the movie." I dont think truer words have ever been said about people defending crappy movie plots.
Kinda wish they were more faithful to the manga/novel. The time traveling mechanic made more sense and the ending isn't some weird happy ending that broke it's own laws for no reason.
Just watched this film for the first time. I actually said "for fucks sake" out loud when Cruise got infected at the end, the shitty part being that I knew it was to orchestrate an ending where everything turned out alright and everyone was alive. As convoluted as the plot points on time travel were, I'd have had more respect for the film if it finished with the timeline in which Cruise, Blunt & Co. died killing the Omega. But no. Hollywood Ending had to happen. Pity. Still enjoyed it for what it was, though, and immediately came here to watch your logic bomb blow it to pieces. Good stuff!
+Decidedly British Alaric I almost screamed at the screen with anger when title screen appeared and fucking 'Can you love me again' started playing. It's like all the tension, all the drama and thrill got thrown in the window for that completely out-of-place hit song. Like wtf, was the other director making the ending and choosing the song?
I think the real reason why people like this movie is because they get to see Tom Cruise die. A lot. Not saying it's a good reason or why everyone enjoys it, but it's a reason nonetheless.
Tom Cruise Is kooky sure but he's completely harmless and has put out some decent enough sci fi movies lately. Hating the Cruisemeister is so 10 years ago.
Meh I enjoyed it because it was fun and looked good, ending was way too happy though so that's a big minus, but I don't think about movies that much that I break them apart and nitpick all the details while uncovering every single plot hole it has. It's just escapism, nothing more.
So I loved all but one part of the review. Dragging on about how Tom got the powers and how dumb it was really doesn't work because it isn't really a plot hole. More of a plot convenience. The day tom got the Powers was day 2 (or possibly later as each repeat would have a slightly different outcome till we get to the one where tom makes it to the Alpha). The first day was when they were surprised by the humans. So Tom killing the Alpha (or even being there) was new to them. Second, they gave the powers to the Girl on PURPOSE. They gave her the powers so that the humans would feel confident in their ability to win. It is possible that they didn't know that the power could be stolen in such a way. The Alpha was on the field because they are the eyes and ears of the Omega. The Omega does not control the mimics. They are being commanded by the Alphas but they seem to be separate entities otherwise there would be hordes of them anytime one found a human. So if the Alphas were underground all the time they couldn't see how the day played out to make corrections. Only the Alphas and Omega remember the day. And the Alpha was in the back watching/learning. Tom was in a clear area and the mimics thought he was dead. So this is not dissimilar to a field commander surveying the battlefield from a safe distance. (not safe enough). The reason the Alpha attacked is that it was the first to notice and it still has self-preservation. The day was going well. no point in resetting if he can kill the Human And if the human kills him the day resets anyways so no loss for the attempt. It was only Tom's quick thinking with the claymore that gave him the powers. The Omega didn't know that Tom had the powers at first. It only realized this once Tom started doing so well. It recognized that the girl had done the same thing. THEN it tried to take the power away from Tom. The thing you spent soooooo long railing against isn't a plot hole. It is just a convenience that it happened to our protagonist. But in-universe it makes sense. Also, it is likely that the Omega has never had its powers stolen from it in such a way. (because remember the Omega gave the girl the powers intentionally the only other time)
Also for those that so oft complain (not yet but I am hoping to preempt it. THE OMEGA CAN NOT CONTROL TIME AT WILL! It is an involuntary response. This gives them the PERFECT victory because losing even one part of your central nervous system would be detrimental to your health. The Omega is otherwise just a giant supercomputer that controls the Alphas (and through the Alphas guides the Mimics) as a giant RTS that spans an entire continent. It can't just time warp to whenever it wants. Also, it might KNOW that the day resets but not remember the day, explaining how it found Tom and why the mimics used the same tactics over and over. They are unaware of the events of the day and are forced to set up a basic defence again and again without being able to adapt while still being aware that the day is resseting.
Also also. The point about the Omega making an alpha kill itself is kinda flawed. It is a cultural thing ( or perhaps more of a lack of perspective thing). The closest example is 9/11. Before that day it was unthinkable that someone would use a civilian filled vehicle as a weapon to commit such an atrocity. The Omega had likely NEVER had to even consider killing an alpha on purpose and therefore would not come up with it as an idea. The thing that makes humanity strong is the fact that we are not a single mind. people come up with many ways to do things but that doesn't mean that its a real problem when an ALIEN doesn't think the same way we do. Maybe killing an alpha in such a way wouldn't trigger the INVOLUNTARY response. If I know it is coming I don't flinch at the sound of gunfire. (Honestly, that is a stretch) But my point stands that we don't know enough about the Omega or its system to say that its a problem. In-universe consistency is what's important and they never showed or stated that the Omega had alphas suicide so it would have been more out of character if they had STARTED that so late in the film.
The blood thing is honestly the most reasonable part. He got the power by sharing the creature's blood. so a blood transfusion would dilute the alpha blood to a point where it would no longer trigger the Omega response. You literally say that its better if they don't explain it but all they do is give an out. They don't explain how much is needed because WE don't need that info. All we need to know is that there is a way to lose the power and this it is important that he dies rather than anything else. Setting up the rules is not a bad thing. especially since YOU would complain if they didn't explain how she lost her power.
"They gave the girl their powers on purpose so they could make humans feel confident in their ability to win" HAHA that's the stupidest thing I have ever heard. There is zero logical reason why they would play mind games with the humans when they could just curbstomp mankind into extinction anyway.
The Light Novel I feel does a better job of explaining the issues you have. Although, there were still a bunch of issues I had as well from reading the novel. Doesn't mean the movie makes more sense, as a bunch of little different things cause the book explanations don't help. Great vid. Lots of ridiculous things.
In a default setup, you have the Omega, the Alphas and the Mimics. The Mimics are just cannon fodder, but the Alphas are important agents whose purpose is to survey the field and use the time loop power to win the battle. The Omega automatically resets the day when an Alpha dies and in the next loop does whatever needs to be done differently to prevent that Alpha from getting killed. The goal is to 1. Win the battle and 2. Have no Alphas die in the process. Now I don't remember exactly what information the movie does and doesn't provide on this, but I like to assume that only the Alphas are advanced enough to actually retain vital information, while the Mimics are just mindless drones and can't transmit vital information to the Omega. This would explain why Tom Cruise can learn to kill them repeatedly without consequence and why them killing him doesn't tip off the Omega about him. This way, the Omega only learns that Tom is the one with the power once he is found by another Alpha. When Tom Cruise gets Alpha blood in him, he doesn't "steal the Omega's power", rather, he becomes somewhat of an Alpha himself. He doesn't directly control the resetting of the day, nor has he removed the Omega's ability to reset the day, he's just in the system now and can essentially "abuse" that power by voluntarily killing himself which will always trigger the Omega's impulse to reset. Now whenever Tom Cruise dies, the Omega resets the day, and yes it still retains the knowledge of what happened that day, but it doesn't have the memories of Tom Cruise the way it has the memories of the Alphas. So it knows the day reset was triggered, but it doesn't know why. Presumably it notices that none of it's own Alphas actually died and realizes someone else must have gotten into the network, but it has no way of knowing who or how, so now it's next step is to either task the Alphas with locating that human on the battlefield, or failing that, to lure them into a trap (which is what happens). The reason Tom can't just go back and recreate the moment he got the power is because the Omega would have already changed that scenario to prevent that specific Alpha from getting killed, so being able to recreate that moment would be very unlikely, since that Alpha would most likely not even be there anymore. As for Emily Blunt and the other guy knowing all the info about the Omega, that's a stretch sure. For the Alphas, I don't think Tom ever kills one in the film other than the first one, so it's safe to assume that if he did he would immediately wake up at the beginning of the day without having died himself. This probably happened to Emily Blunt's character back when she had the power and that's how she figured it out. The Alphas seemingly not being able to kill themselves and a number of other things are still valid criticism.
Okay, there were a couple plot holes in the movie: -Why didn't the alien hive mind have the minions kill a Beta, resetting the day, the instant it realized the Alpha was under attack? -Why were the Betas even near a battle when their blood could give humans the time reset power? They knew this when it first happened to Emily Blunt. -Why did they spend so much time trying to perfect getting off the beach when stealing a transport to fly to the Alpha the night before was so easy? -Why did they bother trying to escape from the military headquarters? They had already found the location of the Alpha. All Cruise had to do was shoot himself to reset the day with that knowledge. But the movie was entertaining enough that it was easy to gloss over that stuff. Cruise getting run over by a truck was the most entertaining scene of the year. In an era where so many action movies are bland, empty CGI garbage based on comic books or remakes, Edge of Tomorrow was a breath of fresh air by giving us a hyper violent Groundhog Day. Every action scene had meaning (except the end, which was a little weak), they did a good job changing up the looping so it never got stale, and they threw in human moments like Cruise getting so weary that he would give up for a while and spend days just trying to connect with Blunt in a doomed effort.
When Tom killed the first Alpha, that one Alpha wasn't in the other scenes because Tom was now the Alpha, right? I might be completely wrong, but if I'm not, that could just mean that Tom is the Omega at the end. Idek
"It seemed so Hollywood like." This is your gripe with a film funded, produced, and published by... Hollywood? I don't like fruit, much. They taste so... fruitlike.
What I meant was it tried to make it a happy ending. I haven't read the novel, but from what I've heard it's bittersweet which not many big budget movies are trying to do, similar to what they did with the ending of The Descent.
Hindumaliman The amount of explanation given is irrelevant so long as the movie is able to follow the very same rules it claims to be true for its universe. My complaints for both films stem from each film contradicting its own logic. To claim as though "more" or "less" explanation should be a blanket rule for all films would be stupid.
+YourMovieSucksDOTorg i know that this is not with the train of thought of the convo here but the music in the beginning is the theme music for mermaid man and barnacle boy from spongebob
there seems to be a misunderstanding here. Tom Cruise getting the power doesn't mean he steals it. he's just gains the ability to use the mechanism. if any other alpha dies, it's still going to reset. he is also not part of the hive mind so the Omega doesn't know what he experience when he died and won't adapt it's strategy. this works vice versa, too. if an alpha dies for reasons unrelated to tom cruise, the Omega resets the day and he wouldn't even know it happened. for him it would essentially be like it never happened any other way if something was changed afterwards.
Ok, 7:00, did you even watched the movie? The Omega used all this to lure them... first with the woman was to make humans think they can win, to throw everything in battle, the Omega even lures Tom Cruise to a false location later. Get the movie right before talking.
This is definitely one of those moments where I acknowledge the validity of all the points, but it doesn't change how I feel about the movie. I still think it is an incredibly enjoyable film. That being said, I really liked both main characters. So, that is obviously going to make the film more enjoyable for me. I even liked the tremendous cop-out of an ending. If it were up to me, I would have changed it. There would be no time reset. Because that is stupid. However, I liked all the characters and I was happy they were all alive and well at the end of the movie. Once again, I get how ridiculous that is. I get what a bad ending it is. However, I still dug it. I don't consider the movie to be a guilty pleasure of mine, but I do consider the ending to be. One thing though... I don't think the scene with Rita and the helicopter is actually that zany. I think the idea is that Rita understands that she has become to Cage what her dead friend had become to her: a constant source of pain. I think it fucks her right up and she goes into, what you aptly named, "suicide mode". I don't know, maybe that feels too thin for you. However, I thought it worked really nicely. Please note that I am not saying the above makes this movie a perfect ten or anything. I get where you are coming from and, beyond that one point, don't necessarily disagree.
You took the digital text right out of my screen. I feel the movie does a good job of showing the arc that Cruise's character goes through, and I can really get into the headspace and scenarios presented to the characters. I would attribute the ending to somewhat of an obligatory necessity, since the majority of movie-goers would be disatisfied with an ending where the main character we've grown to like dies. While I believe the ending could've definitely been better, the other aspects of the movie really tied it all together and made it a satisfying and entertaining experience. I would give a solid 7/10.
Good review. Personally this was literally the only movie in watched in 2014 and so it is literally my best movie of the year. Now here's a fun fact for you: Time travel stories are physically and mathematically impossible to make sense. That is because time travel itself violates causality, causality being the thing that you use to "make sense of things". So no matter what, if you have time travel in your story, your story is forced to not make sense.
I watched this movie a long time ago and I never paid that much attention to it.I thought the movie was ok.But there are so many plot holes and the movie is so confusing once you think about it 😂
Not lag. The Omega's day resets. Tom Cruise's day resets when he dies, by creating another timeline, which is the only possible explanation. Well, it could be lag, but there is none for the rest of the movie.
I gotta say, the part when he tries to roll under the truck was bloody funny.
jesusHERCULESchrist agreed
jesusHERCULESchrist dumb ways to die...
jesusHERCULESchrist Medic!
Haha kinda was
Haha, "Bloody" funny.
"im not saying this movie sucks"
- YourMovieSucks 2014
In the same year,he made a disgustingly positive review about Interstellar while completely ignoring the flaws and refusing to nitpick. Hypocrite.
@@tiaaaron3278 But he pointed out many flaws
HECKproductions his name is not meant to be taken literally
@@tiaaaron3278 What the fuck are you talking about, none of that is true.
Heckproductions cant understand a joke 🤷♂️
I’ll be honest, I really enjoyed this movie and thought that it was proof that live action adaptations can actually be good
Same.
Probably the only one that's actually good? Considering all the shit we've seen thus far from live-action adaptations.
I guess Detective Pikachu as well, but that movie was actually incredibly stupid, it's just really fun to watch.
It should be called NPCs: Facing the Player
Seriously, the Omega is the Player and loads the game whenever it ragequits.
Mankind is just npcs... That sucks.
I still find it nuts that this is based off of a manga
@@Names_buck Not a manga, but light novel
I thought this film was called Live Die Repeat for so long.
I did too lol I honestly think it's a better title though
it is now... rebranded.
Think a better name would've been "All You Need Is Kill"
sameeee I totally flipped when I found out this is what its called. My whole family called it Live Die Repeat everything feels like a lie
When I first read about the Movie in Empire magazine in 2013, it was called "All You Need Is Kill", then once marketing begun they decided on "Edge of Tomorrow", but because it didn't Box Office well they decided to change the name AGAIN to "Live, Die, Repeat" this movie had some of the worst marketing i have seen in recent years, this isn't saying the trailers were bad, but there was just not good management of marketing to let enough people know about it and get a decent Box office, it's a shame.
7:00 the reason why the Alphas are on the battlefield is to observe the combat, the information will get sent to the Omega which will adjust how the mimics react to the soldiers. If the Alphas were hidden away then they wouldn't be able to observe the combat. It's really poorly explained in the movie, I only know this because I read the book this was based on, 'All You Need Is Kill'.
+MoviesForLife Why can't the alphas just relay the drones' observations to the omega to accomplish the same thing?
HnyBdgr Commando I'm not sure why, but in the book the alphas are considered to be the eyes of the battlefield, like a colonel who can change and "mimic" the tactics of the enemy to win. Therefor the Alphas have to be in the field.
+MoviesForLife I didn't think it was poorly explained. Cruise literally becomes the 'Alpha' for the human forces. That's all the audience has to know to understand that the Mimic Alpha did the same thing for Mimic forces.
+MoviesForLife Oh, now it makes sense why they're called mimics. Me and my best friend watched this movie and also greatly enjoyed it, but also nitpicked the shit out of it. And one thing that bugged us was their name "mimics", we both expected something that could shapeshift or something like that, especially with the big guy's shirt saying "mimic this".
+MoviesForLife If the Alphas are so important for observing the combat, why does the movie state that they are so incredibly rare? You'd think that to get a lot of valuable information from the battlefield, you'd need a bit more than one observer out of 6 million cannon fodder troops.
I think half of this analisys could have been skipped if they said in the movie that resetting time is an acquired, involontary, knee-jerk reaction on the part of the Omega rather than an ability. It's poorly explained, but if you think of it as something an alien organism evolved into and can't be controlled - much like a heart beat - it suddenly makes a bit more sense that a human could accidentally steal it and use it against it without the Omega simply deciding to keep its Alphas away from battle. Way far into nitpicking territory, though; the movie was unexpectedly fun, surpassed expectations but is not a masterpiece.
Same. I thought of the power like "if my troops win and kill everything g and I win, great, if my troops die then I reset and try again" just kind of a biological trial and error type system.
The movie says "when an alpha is killed an AUTOMATIC RESPONSE IS TRIGGERED and the omega starts the day over again"
That's what Emily blunt says. It is never implied that they can do it voluntarily, the movie explicitly says that it's an automatic response to an alpha's death.
It's like a passive ability. You don't activate it, it triggers when a condition is met.
Cheap Tactics it’s also JUST A THEORY THEY GO OFF OF. They don’t actually know if that’s how it works because there just hypothetically giving an answer they can come up with. You interpret it however you want.
@@DwWarWolf sure yeah, it's a theory, but still, you don't just completely ignore this theory and sya the exact opposite multiple times in the entire review, cause it fits what happens throughout the movie more than what they're actually saying.
@@THEPELADOMASTERbut one of his points was that its aware of its power by nature of the plot alone, so it could take advantage of this by having the alpha kill itself, the issue still stands
I have to admit, I had a lot of the complaints about the time traveling that you did until I realized two things.
1)The day resetting for Tom and the day resetting for the Omega are independent of each other
and
2)The aliens aren't as "perfect" as the human race thinks they are.
They keep doing the same thing over and over and looking in the same spots because they have no idea that they've been through this before. Their tactics are so bad because they're acting completely on instinct and the day resetting power is just something that kicks in. I don't believe the aliens are hyper intelligent, they just have a very unique evolutionary defense mechanism.
EDIT: Your idea of a time traveling army is incredibly badass. Just have him go to the battlefield where he got his powers, kill a bunch of alphas directly over other soldiers (which would take a lot of practice but he has infinite time) and then travel back to the battlefield with them to do the same thing ad nauseum until everyone is an immortal time traveler. Hell, in that case, we could even have a sequel to this movie that takes a different direction and examines what it means to have such a large group of people that cannot die.
Great idea! Also, this way the human race could even move on to conquer the universe, and become the villains of the story. They could grow Omegas so they could keep producing immortal soldiers and increasingly expand the evil Human Empire throughout the universe.
Exactly, they keep re-doing the day until they win.
Plus I felt like he didn't think about the possibility that Tom Cruise became the Omega/took over the Omega's powers in the end, not just killing it
Zachary Hastings Hi. You mean that Tom Cruise getting the Alphas blood turned him into an Omega AND an Alpha? Also, you said that the Mimics don't know their tactics before the "day" that Tom Cruise resets, so how can they remember their tactics when they reset the "day"? I just think this is an alright movie, with a neat idea, that they don't even follow the rules of.
But doesn't the movie explain that only one Alpha has the ability to go back in time.
Because while the Mimics in the film mostly work on instinct, but the Alphas not in the loop do have intelligence, and they are aware of what happened the previous loop, like when they try flying the helicopter.
If the other Alphas had the power to travel back, and they do have enough intelligence to act out tactics and plan out what to do the next time time resets, then they would have done something like bleed him out or purposefully wound him enough where he doesn't die and he gets a blood transfusion by a clinic.
Now if they went in the direction of the source material, where when you kill the Mimic that travels back in time, your brain picks up and sends out this signal released upon death, where you AND the Mimics tied into the loop go back in time, and even if you kill all living things picking up the signal, the day still loops, including other people who got stuck in the loop so long as there is more than one thing sending and receiving.
So the only way to go further than the day of the battle is to not allow anything that picks up and sends the signal except yourself.
So we would of had the set up of a good scene where the person in the loop and the person who use to be in the loop but still has previous experience in it are forced to kill one or the other to just continue to the next day, or one of them kills themselves so the other one gets to live if they include the two of them falling in love or becoming incredibly close.
if overyone had that power day would just reset instantly. 2 people die every second
"Would you like a HUG!?" Bloody brilliant
Hamish Woodland iiii
Was looking for a comment like that
Funniest part of the video
Jesus Christ loves you God bless and save you amen.
/Alpha blood gets spilled on an earthworm/
/Earthworm dies time and time again/
/Earthworm has lived so long it effectively knows how to understand and speak English (for convenience sake)/
"Life is ceaseless misery."
Man. Groundhog Day is way weirder than I remember.
Your points are valid, but in the midst of your complaints, you skipped over probably the best edit in 2014.
"ON YOUR FEET, MAGGOT!"
*Bang*
"...MAGGOT!"
*Bang*
"...MAGGOT!"
*Bang*
Jacob Wheeler *_ON YOUR FEET MAGGOT_*
IM TRYING TO BE NICE TO YOU MAGGOT
LtLampshade edge of tomorrow
Honestly the whole ending fiasco could have been kept realistic and made a much more interesting ending
e.g.: He wakes up as a fresh recruit, only to find people cheering in the background. The reason? All of the Mimics withered and died suddenly. They've won. He walks around the base (everyone's too excited to notice or care) to tap Emily on the shoulder and tell her some personal information and that hes the reason for the aliens dying and she looks at him all funny before the credits roll.
Ooh, and for a bonus scene, they could've included Tom Cruise, now old, in his deathbed, with Blunt comforting him. He dies, only to wake up many years on that day again. The cheering is so loud you can only see Cruise mouth out "FUCK".
Lol, that would have been good, if only he hadn't lost the power at the end. Still, your ending would have improved the movie a lot more heheh :3
+Fred Willington He gets the alpha blood in the battle in the morning. he gets the omega blood the night before, so not the same wake up. kinda works.
+Fred Willington There could have been a lot of great endings, but the majority of them don't have Cruise's character coming out as a "hero" or retaining his "respect" as a ranked officer. The film pandered too much to the audience, something I doubt the original manga would do, and have heard that the source material ends differently as you'd expect if you knew much about Eastern works in general.
That ending still makes absolutely no sense though. If he reset the day then the alpha wouldn't have died and the mimics wouldn't have withered.
that would have been funny
What if the day only resets for the person with the power, so like when Tom Cruise is run over by the car for being a dumb ass, the day would reset for him, but now there is also this timeline where Tom Cruise just killed himself and everyone was just like "The fuck was with that guy?"
I was thinking the same for when she shot him in the head while training like "did you just execute a man for being injured!"
That would undermine the whole story though. Like, the fact the humans win at the end would be kind of meaningless if there's just infinite still existing timelines where everyone gets wiped out.
I just realised... the omega doesn't restart the day, it restarts from the DAY BEFORE. For example:
Day 1: Tom Cruise wakes up in helicopter and goes to see the general and is tasered.
Day 2: Tom Cruise wakes up in Heathrow.
Day 3: Tom Cruise takes part in invasion of France.
Whenever Tom Cruise dies in Day 3, he wakes up in Heathrow (Day 2). On the night of Day 2 when he kills the Omega, he wakes up in the helicopter (Day 1). So this means the whole 'Omega resets the day' is wrong; the Omega resets from the morning of the previous day. We have been lied to... 0_0
Ethan King haha good theory bro
Well played. Respect
I think you're along the right lines, but you've got your timeline a bit screwed up.
The day where he wakes up at Heathrow is actually the same day as the same he meets the General. The General said "Tomorrow Operation Downfall begins and a lot of men and women are going to die." So it can't be two days later.
It's more like:
Day 1, Morning: Meets General.
Day 1, Afternoon: Wakes up at Heathrow.
Day 2, Morning: Beach at Normandy.
But the thing is, in the final run. When he and Rita convince a pilot and J-squad to take them to the Lourve it is the evening of Day 1. As they kill the Omega and he absorbs it's blood, it is just dawning on Day 2. So I believe it is more like it goes back 24 hours, and then to the next time you wake.
24 hours before he dies on the beach, he is still conscious, as he is probably meeting the General. So the next time he wakes, it'll be at Heathrow. While killing the Omega, it is just before dawn, so 24 hours before he is still asleep on the helicopter coming into London, so he wakes then.
Tom Cruise's character is pretty good in this movie. In the beginning he's a bumbling idiot, feigning the facade of a confident and competent military officer, he's the embodiment of this coalition military and his job as a PR guy as the military is masking how screwed humanity is. By the end of the film he becomes humble and sincerely confident and actually devoted to the war effort. This is one of the few Tom Cruise characters with an actual arc.
+the999mann
I was blown away by the military incompetence of the humans in this. Where the fuck is the artillery? Fixed-wing air support? AC-130 gunships, which would be damn near perfect for reducing a Mimic horde.
Where were the SEALs surveying and scouting the beaches ahead of the invasion, which would have discovered the Mimic drones buried in the sand waiting in ambush? And, seriously, France, a nuclear power, was overrun and DIDN'T go nuclear!? Millions of Mimics should have been killed by the tactical use of nuclear weapons.
+Halo4Lyf It's like Starship Troopers: humanity's military become very retarded.
*****
I'm a writer. I am currently working on a science fiction series where the 9/11 attacks are postponed until 2004, are much more devastating, and results in a much wider conflict that spirals out of control into WWIII.
I have been working on it since 2008, because it requires a mammoth amount of research. I'm currently on the sixth rewrite. I think it is almost done.
Why the Hell can't Hollywood do that?
+Locke Silvrel
Damn. You have indeed put a great deal of thought into the challenges of effective story-telling, and made me very glad indeed that I'm an SF writer with a great community of authors around me, haha.
i know this is late as FUCK, but, from what I understand, the entire reason they are called mimics is because the alphas relay information about what humans are doing back to the omega, which can time travel and prepare the omniscient army for whats coming. Knowing this, the mimics can essentially counter any military tactic, and just using ground troops instead of nuclear weapons and massive artillery is probably the best approach to minimize human casualties. Imagine they use a nuke, the Omega sees this, goes back in time, and uses the nuke against the humans. This is obviously a worst case scenario for humans
I love this movie a lot. I think Adum's biggest issue is that he's looking at the Omega as a conscious thing, when it's not really. Like they say in the movie, it's a hivemind. Like a colony of bees, but all the bees are connected "telepathically" for lack of a better term. So when an alpha dies, the day is reset instinctively. And the reason it doesn't kill it's own alphas is because it's not aware that it's not one of it's own alphas that's dying and resetting the day. But it can detect that there is an intruder in it's "network" so to speak. Yes, it sends out false visions of the dam, but for all we know, it did that with every alpha one at a time. Now, when Tom Cruise said "they were after my blood", I got the impression not that they wanted to "absorb" his blood, but rather they wanted him to bleed out and die, so he wouldn't reset the day. They also specify that human beings are probably the only species that, when it comes into contact with their blood, enters into the mimic nervous system. They say "The omegas only true weakness is humanity". Meaning in all the planets it has taken over and destroyed, it's never needed to restart the day voluntarily, because no species before has been able to hijack the power, so to speak.
Now, why they left the general's office and waited to get into the car to try the device, I don't know. You've got me there haha. I think maybe it's a problem with the film making aspect. Since they left the general's office in the previous life, going back to the office in the next life would feel like they're repeating scenes too much? It's the only reason the movie is tolerable if you think about it. After Cruise's first death, they show him experiencing the next day in real time. Each time the day is reset, they skip more and more of him waking up in handcuffs. At one point where he gets hit by the truck on the beach, they literally just cut to the same spot where he manages to outrun the truck. Saved time, while also not repeating the previous scenes unnecessarily.
It’s a movie, movies always have plot holes, if they didn’t they would be real life which would be boring.
@@archyleach real life has plot holes too
@@archyleach Ah, so excellent writing is impossible and nobody should ever strive to be anything more than mediocre.
@@Zacromaniacmy life has plot holes up the ass
@@ngabel8956just because something is unreachable it doesn’t mean you shouldn’t make an honest attempt
7:00 it's heavily implied that only Alphas keep their memories of the events, so to actually know what's going to happen and change the outcome they'd have to be there.
I think what he means is, don't put them in the actual fight. You don't throw generals into a skirmish, and you don't send the things that restart the day into a spot they can be easily picked off, or have their power stolen. They just watch the fight from a distance and off themselves if things go bad.
If an Alpha isn't killed, then the day isn't reset. So having an Alpha watch the battle wouldn't do any good. The point is, if the mimics end up getting surprised and losing a battle, they'll going to lose an Alpha in the process. Alphas also act as wifi routers for the mimics, so they need to be close enough to mimic swarms to control them. In other words you can't have them miles back, and still able to co-ordinate the swarm.
This puts them in danger of course, but that's a part of the design. Because if they lose a fight this will cause the the Omega to reset the day, with the memories of it. So now the mimics know about the attack, and can now lay an ambush and adjust tactics accordingly. But Alphas are still protected because the Omega knows about the possibility humans can hijack the process. You actually see that the Alpha only goes areas that have already been won by the mimics and cleared of humans. It also has it's own cohort of bodyguards, who clear the way before it. The only reason Cage was able to get to it was because the mimics thought he was dead like the rest of J-squad, and his bodyguards had already moved passed him.
Characters mention at the beach that it seems like the mimics knew they were coming. Well guess what. They did. Because it is implied that actually there was a normal landing that was successful, and the humans secured the landing successfully. In the process of this though they'll have killed the local mimics and Alpha. So the Omega will have been allowed to reset the day with the knowledge of human landing positions, timings and tactics, meaning it can lay in wait. Including burying mimics beneath the sands in key locations (like that crater where J squad regrouped).
@@Ididntchoosethisname So they put alphas in the front in case they lose to resett, but haven't discovered suicide to use that ability in his benefit, so is very convenient they has to act like antennas.
so you say they can retain memories and change tactics, then why Tom Cruise is able to memorize things and events that happen exactly the same, unless they can't retain information after Tom win his powers, but in that case, how they would chase him to recover that ability.
mimics (and humans) are brilliant or dumb whenever the plot need to.
3:22 ...!... This was a manga?
First it was a light novel, then when the movie came out, shonen jump created a manga series to capitalize on it. If you want to read the original source material, it's called "All you need is Kill"
...the manga came before the movie did
+pablo gomez yes it did. The ip was revived when the Hollywood movie was announced.
yeah the manga is called all you need is kill and its a lot better, also the ending is really sad
Yes. The manga is called All you need is kill and it's drawn by the mangaka of Death Note and Bakuman, so you know it's good. It's a one-off and it's published by VIZ manga.
After reading the manga it was based of, I'd make three changes:
-Give it an R rating, it ups the stakes way more, even if the main guy isn't going to stay dead, you get to see him really suffer.
-Keep the final plot twist, it really changes everything and makes the characters more compelling
-the mimics in the manga were horrifying.
So maybe the aliens -- when someone else has the power -- don't actually retain information, but can infer things based upon knowing what other organisms that stole their powers act like. So every "day," they re-learn that Tom Cruise has the power because they look at him and say, "either he's a lucky son of a bitch or he stole my secret sauce."
Who the fuck calls special sauce, alpha blood?
their secret, extra spicy, flesh melting sauce
or a Wizard did it, we both have the exact amount of support from the movie to back those arguments... none.
It just didn't explained, and the explanation given are in constant contradiction or don't make sense.
@@vjara94 read the manga. It makes more sense.
@@jailoutafreecard4414 im pretty sure the movie has internal consistency also: The omega doesn't remember who stole the power, but he knows it was stolen. However, it has a backup set up in case of this situation, with a fake vision that triggers once someone get's far enough into killing mimics, and a Alpha waiting at the fake location. They don't have to know who stole the power, since the only person who would make it to the fake vision location must be the guy who has the power. It's actually a movie that has more internal consistency about it's time travelling rules than most. Think of what i said, and watch the movie again. It makes so much more sense !
The biggest plot hole I noticed was in the very beginning, Tom Cruise's character was literally the frontman for recruiting new soldiers. He said it even when blackmailing the general that he had enough media influence to ruin the generals career. He also said that literally millions of soldiers have been been recruited after he'd done his speeches or presentations. He was on multiple news channels in the beginning too... but somehow saying "he impersonates officers" is okay with everyone? Even though he literally was / is one.
... and you're telling me that nobody in the Army recognises him or his former rank? and that not even a single person would notice that a famous military officer is demoted all the way to a private? That plot hole actually kind of annoyed the shit out of me.
What about all of his contacts from the media? Did they just disappear too?
Theyre saying he's a con man, its not so hard to tell the other soldiers that he happens to look alot like the guy on TV so he's just pretending to be him. They're expecting him to die, then they could just say "brave hero chose to go into battle with the men he recruited, RIP, ok let's go to lunch." People aren't going to notice him missing in one or two days, and they ensure he can't use the phone to call anyone.
@@laurendearnley9595but that's still a war crime and the soldiers wouldn't just brush that off. It doesn't matter if he is pretending, they would still recognize him.
@william3100 and do WHAT? They're facing an unwinnable battle against an army which will annihilate the planet if not stopped. Do you think they're really concerned about the fate of some PR guy? Even if they are, by the time the necessary people are called and can pull him out, the battle is likely over.
@laurendearnley9595 not just some PR guy, basically a war criminal. They wouldn't know if he was going to do something bad that could mess everything up. If he impersonates officers, who knows what he will do. There's already a battle for the planet going on. They don't need some guy impersonating officers and potentially fucking things up. Even if they wouldn't have cared, the movie at least should have addressed it in some way.
So, Where does this fit into The DARK UNIVERSE???
This is how it works. Are the character decisions optimal to the most logical course of actions? No. But the time travel stuff is visually explained.
What is going on is a replacement in the system. I'll get to more of this later. The Omega is an organism capable of controlling all those minions, but only through a specific structure. Like a human brain it can only handle so much stimuli. The alphas ARE the omega's window into the battle. They are the only members of the species that are directly linked to the Omega. The minions have basic motor control and can take basic orders but as we saw it is the Omega through the eyes of the Alphas that gives them orders. The Omega does not experience anything the basic mimics do, at least from their perspective. The Omega, I assume makes the alphas so it can have a presence on the battlefield. This is done by choice, so in some ways, it's not Omega's, Alphas and Betas. It's the Omega, with its personal avatars, Alphas, and its actual drones, Betas.
If it didn't create Alphas, it wouldn't have any way to change things on the battlefield and the Betas wouldn't have any possibility of alterations to directives. Remember, this creature is waging a strategic war.
The time travel is an involuntary defense mechanism. Every organism has one. For the movie, this alien has one so advanced it's capable of altering Space time. It's not going to kill an alpha to reset the day, because it would be killing itself or inflicting self harm to trigger that response. If you think of it as the Omega's consciousness flowing through the alpha drones, then it doesn't kill itself. That is is a last line of defense kind of thing that it will not trigger voluntarily. It is probably extremely painful and taxing on the Omega itself to reset the day.
What happens when Tom cruise meets the alpha is that with his blood flowing through him or on him, the day is reset but the Omega resets Tom Cruise in PLACE of the alpha that died mistakenly, putting Tom Cruise into its system, as an anomaly.
An anomaly that it has no direct link to, can't experience it's actions and can't control. Tom Cruise basically hijacks the trigger for the defense mechanism without all the hive mind stuff initially. That's why the Omega doesn't change anything or if it does, it doesn't change anything on Tom Cruise's front of the battle. It has knowledge of where all it's Alphas are but the day keeps getting reset for reasons it can't initially figure out because none of the alphas its connected to are dying, yet the response is being triggered. The Omega is trying to figure out what keeps triggering its defense response. That's why over time, the bond between Tom Cruise and the Omega grows because the Omega slowly gains a link and can send him images and trap him. It still doesn't know who he is, but it can slowly begin to feel him more and more every time he dies. It may have made changes on other battlefronts as it tried to decipher this but we experience the movie from Cruise's perspective, not the Omega's.
That's why this movie falls into a lot of Alien vs Human Hollywood troupes. Such as we humans are special. It's very likely that the alien never encountered a situation where the species it was trying to take over was unintentionally capable of bonding with it's biological mainframe in such a way. It would explain its inability to respond accordingly to Tom Cruise's inclusion in the framework.
Does this have holes? Yes. Shouldn't the Omega be able to adapt its strategies as the battle proceeds? If you follow my first assumption that the Omega isn't actually directly linked to any of the Betas, then it does make sense that it wouldn't be as quick to see where the tide for the humans was turning on which battlefield. Which mimics were dying faster? What holes were being punched in its defensive line? Furthermore, if Tom Cruise replaced that Alpha then crucial information on that battlefield which the Omega would usually be receiving and the Omega's direct link to the goings on in that field would have disappeared and it would automatically know that that battlefield had to be where it lost its alpha.
Finally about the ending. it's another replacement. Tom Cruise replaces the Omega, that senses the alpha that just died, and resets the Day again. Except it's Cruise WHO is the new Omega. Therefore it resets the day around him and his mimics. But he has none and he's not linked to any of them, so the drones all die, because Tom Cruise hijacks the Omega's position. And just like he was alienated from the Omega and all the mimics when he became an Alpha, he alienated all of them from their Omega, thus losing all consciousness. Thus Tom Cruise is a new Omega, but his response can't be triggered because he has no alphas or Betas, he will live out his life as a "Regular" Human.
What meses up is that if Tom Cruise replaces the Omega, it no longer makes sense for him to wake up on the base preparing for battle against the momics since there would be no preparation for battle with all the mimics being dead, so they make the decision, int rue Hollywood fashion to wake him up earlier so they,
1. Don't create a paradox with the preparation still going on even though the mimics are dead
2. Give the main hero their happy ending where the love interest comes back from the dead.
3. Gives the hero his reputation back and all is well in his life again.
+Wasabifold Nice!
very well explained
nice one
Thank you for this nice explanation!
+Wasabifold When I first saw the movie, I was a bit cheesed off at the ending, mainly because I felt it was nothing more than some stupid deus ex machina bullshit thought up to give audiences a happy ending. I hadn't connected the pieces as well as you, so it's nice to hear that it actually makes sense, but I still say it's stupid deus ex machina bullshit thought up to give audiences a happy ending - it's the biggest deviation from the source material in the entire movie and I feel like it goes counter to the main themes of the original.
But that's Hollywood for you, I guess. At least it was a decent film, which doesn't seem to be very common for adaptations of Japanese media, so it's got that going for it.
+Wasabifold
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*slow clap*
"You should just enjoy the movie by ignoring parts of the movie"
Heheheheheh, too real
I mean no movie is perfect you kind of have to do that with every movie
@@gagne6928 But you literally don't though? Did you even watch the video? You can like a flawed movie, but don't pretend like its flaws don't exist.
Why are they called mimics?
I always wonder why
And also your here
Why are you everywhere
Dr Shaym cause every time the time resets, they do the same thing
@@Alextootall4512 um what? That's the OPPOSITE of what they do.
Because Japan likes naming shit weird.
I actually really liked this movie
I also liked Dark Souls.
@@Don-ds3dy i hate Dark Souls 3
@@Helghastdude filthy casual.
Hate to break it to ya but your taste sucks
@@Don-ds3dy y u say dis? :`(
13:35 Will a minivan even run on aviation fuel? Wouldn't that be like putting racing fuel in a lawn mower?
Joseph Glatz turbomower
Joseph Glatz it would work, but your igniter would get destroyed after some time because off all the lead
Kerosin is only flammable at temperatures over 50c so it would most likely not work if you put it in a road car. It has a lower flame point than diesel so would maybe work in a diesel car but I'm not sure if there the pressure is high enough for it to self ignite.
4:07 for anyone who’s curious, the protagonist of the comic was in his early twenties, making him obviously much younger than Tom Cruise.
I think you answered your own question of "Why send the alphas into battle." Having one in battle means that if they are losing, and one is killed due to that, the day can reset with their knowledge of the attack. If they are winning and the alpha is not killed, then they just won.
+bh5496 Agreed. I think what they were going for is that the Omega doesn't 'control' the other units, but they act like a autonomous Central Nervous System. The omega doesn't have a will of it's own to reset the day, it's just a organism. The Alphas act like nerves, if they get killed it must mean the battle is not going well so it informs the organism to use a defense mechanism - resetting the day.
+silreenjello I thought that until the part where the omega sents a false vision to Cruise and a alpha stops him from killing himself. That action shows the omega is well aware of what is going on and it's smart enough to do something about it.
Then why the fuck don't they just kill themselves in literally any other way that doesn't put them at risk of spilling their blood on other life forms?
That alpha wasn't trying to die thought, it was trying to kill Tom. They don't kill themselves because if nobody kills the alpha, then that means they're at an advantage, and have no reason to reset the day.
What if the humans somehow managed to kill all the mimics and the omega without killing a single alpha? Would you call that an advantageous position to be in? OF COURSE NOT. YOUR LOGIC IS SHIT.
Time Travel is very difficult to get right.
not really
Primer is one of the few movies to make time travel work and it’s why it’s so fucking confusing
So, if this omega is 4th dimensional being and able to travel on the timeline
WHY THE FUCK doesn't it just go back in time to the day mankind wasn't evolved at all and conquered the place back then?
And here, it’s done right.
KenjiDev I think it can only reset one day not actually time travel
Honestly, the pleasure I get from the one seen of Cruise being ran over and giving that comical yelp is worth watching the movie
The mimics and the omega were not aware that the power had shifted at the start of each day, they only became aware at the same time the soldiers became aware on the beach (as Tom Cruise was killing them) meaning it could only implant the visions at the end of the "day" (in which after the reset, the omega would forget it had implanted the vision). As Tom Cruise progresses, the Omega learns more-so that he has indeed stolen the power (note, stolen. The omega and the alphas can no longer reset the day willingly) and thus sets up potential boundaries to thwart his plan. As he has a literal infinite amount of time to find the omega, the omega tries to set up a trap to catch him, only learning some time after 20 or so mimics have died each "day" that he has in fact stolen the power and this is no ordinary "day".
For a species that originally had the power of time travel, it has to get used to the fact that it no longer has time travel, and thus makes logical mistakes. This should clear up most of your queries regarding the movie.
That doesn't make sense and is completely inconsistent with how Cruise's experience is presented. Cruise retains information, thus we have no reason to believe that these beings don't *also* retain information after each "reset".
+longliverocknroll5 They're no longer causing the reset. They've lost the ability, and they only realise this as the day progresses. therefore, they don't retain the memory of that day until they regain the ability (the next "day").
OnlyLogic Again, that's logically inconsistent. ALL of the creatures hold the ability to "reset" so saying that by *one* losing the ability and Cruise gaining it, that they *all* lose the ability doesn't make sense and isn't logically consistent.
+longliverocknroll5 Each creature does not have the ability. THE organism, or the whole race as we perceive it, has the ability. If a select part of that creatures' blood is mixed with that of another living organism, that creature cannot die for a "day". The omega (and thus the race) then lose the ability.
OnlyLogic Which, again, is logically inconsistent.
I feel like at some point you were going to make a point about the "day"
Like, what does the omega qualify as a "day"? Is it for some reason limited to what humans call a "day"? or maybe it just happens to reset 24 hours every time it dies
Absolutely what I thought.
I think it resets to the last time the user "regained" conciousness (like waking up)
So that would mean that alphas have to "sleep" in order to reset the day so what if you killed an alpha immediately after it woke up (short enough time that it can't react and stop you no matter what). Wouldn't it loop forever?If this is a huge, planet-conquering race that evolved to be like this, then wouldn't that take millions of years? It's hard to believe that in all of this time (not even considering all of the reset days) that not a single alpha died like this.
The manga was actually very good. They should've just used the source material faithfully and it would've made for a great movie.
This is a great movie though
Yeah honestly I feel this is one of the times it was probably a good thing they made changes. While I enjoy the manga, it has a way more grimdark tone, which I personally enjoy but feel would have put people off from watching it. Making it more light hearted also allowed it to stand more on its own, instead of being a pale imitation of a story that would still probably have been inferior to the source material. As it is we have two different pieces of work that both tell basically the same story but in two very different and equally entertaining ways.
It's a good movie lmao
@@indrajkang3821 It's entertaining but mid movie.
It bothers me that you kept saying everyone's giving it a 10/10, and calling it the best movie ever, since they're not. A lot of people were just surprised it wasn't a generic action movie, and actually a pretty cool, and unique sci-fi movie. Also, it should have gotten more at the box office, since it, once again, wasn't what a lot of people thought it was going to be.
so if he has the alphas blood at the end, does that mean when he dies of old age, time will reset again to the day before he fought the mimics?
zack12sora no if he dies out of old age he
Will reset the day meaning he will die out of old age forever :3
No it will reset to the day before
No, the Alpha's blood is nothing without the Omega. The Omega dies at the end, so he won't be able to reset when he dies after that.
@@Ididntchoosethisname But he IS the Omega now
@@GhostHand well if he is the omega now, he should have the power to control whenever he want to reset or not.
I could feel my brain suffocating itself every time you go into a tangent about how the time travel works. lmao
damn that omega server is fucking lagging
after all those upgrades its still not fast enough for reversing time dammit
Procrastinator cabbagehair Too Spooke for me!
"The steaks are really high" haha
Smoke cow everyday
12:58 are we gonna ignore the fact that to dodge ALL the punches, Cruise must have already been there like (AT LEAST) 4 times?
Acually it’s based on a scene from the manga. The same character has learned a way to actually see ahead and anticipate people’s actions. Fans say it’s due to the fact he also has perfect memory, that has given him the ability to remember scenarios similar to this and act accordingly. Like remembering a problem and finding another that is essential the same/ similar
Earl Josh Beloria he had his eyes closed doe
Imagine fighting a dude and he's dodging every attack, then you hit him once and he says "dammit" just straight up pulls out a gun and shoots himself in the head.
@@Joawlisdoingfine I'm gonna start reading the manga, sounds better than the movie on almost every aspect.
02:26 Ljubljana in Croatia on the map. Great job not even the map is done right
it's the only thing that bothers me in this movie ( mainly because in from Croatia)
+Slender Mam Being from Germany, they both fucked up the dam, which is actually in Switzerland and the opening news scene where they first establish the aliens landed in Hamburg and then show them conquering europe from the fucking alps.
Guess this movie only had american geography knowledge in mind.
+Slender Mam on a positive note, the Israeli news reporter in the opening is played by an actual Israeli news reporter. in a sense this movie has more Israel than world was Z...
That the equivalent of a movie showing Ottawa in America
+Slender Mam Holy shit. You're right.
I suppose this is why you should never implement time travel in any form of media (I'm looking at you Bioshock Infinite).
Infinite was more of an alternate reality story
VelvetLotus While that is true, Bioshock Infinite also implemented unessary time travel which bassicly destroys the story one you implement the grandfater paradox.
No time travel in _any_ medium? That's a terrible idea. No Back to the future, no Groundhog day, no Primer, no Doctor who?
espurious Not all things (like the examples you gave) but I'd probably avoid it since you already have to stretch your sense of reality for it to work even in the good examples. Also it seems like such a cliche thing to do, couldn't we think of something else to do?
This movie handled the time travel concept in a surprisingly tasteful manner... Thankfully it doesn't delve into the dumb "alternate timeline/reality" stuff AT ALL. Which helps. A lot.
I think you misunderstood Emily Blunt’s line about blood. It’s not that the time travel power is inside her blood, she’s saying she got a blood transfusion and thus survived the day which broke her death loop because she didn’t die, which is why she also tells Tom Cruise that if he’s in critical condition he needs to make sure he dies to stay in the loop.
Does she lose the power when she get's her period a few times? Or from the normal blood replenishment of humans just living?
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Seems only when they get different blood. Sure the blood type from a transfusion is the same, but dna wise it's not.
So since she's replenishing her own blood with her own, while still infected she should be able to keep the power.
Otherwise after a week neither of them would have it as blood cells are replaced rather often
@@AlValentyn, It could theoretically only last a week of real time in a human, but the body is reset like everything else after a death so it never comes up.
I don't think it was ground breaking, but I really liked it. But if I had to repeat the same day over 100 times I would go fucking insane.
Same, it was stupid fun.
that only happens if you die
I would take days off to make things different and interesting. Like I would have a day where I run across the battlefield drunk and/or stark naked and just generally freak out the other soldiers for shits and giggles by doing stuff like killing a mimic and then tea-bagging and singing while smiling maniacally at them.
I'd hook up a sniper rifle and start doing 2360 noscopes. I liked it in Groundhog's day when Bill Murray just did stupid shit like kidnapping the Groundhog.
Im sure the movie skips over the repeats where Tom goes on murderous rampage after a particularly crushing defeat. Im 100% sure this happened at some point, or worse.
I love time loop/travel ideas and I really liked the way this one used it.
It wasn't the blood. The day completed.
I personally enjoyed the movie - wasn't expecting much but I was pleasantly surprised. Nothing world changing but a nice action movie with an intruiging plot (albeit sloppy writing from time to time).
+ BIG thumbs up for using a track from Death Note in your video.
I ENJOYED THIS FLAWED MOVIE
This movie is an underrated gem and totally deserves more money than it got. 10/10
Seriously, no one has the mental capacity to go through with something like this. Imagine how you'd have to do everything perfectly up to the point where you need to actually progress, and then you die and start over. Your mind would be filled with nothing but the same things you've been doing over and over, you'd probably forget what ur supposed to do by that point.
No go man.
Bill Murray could do it.
It's really not that hard. If you set rules for yourself you can easily find out all the conditions you've made for yourself. For example, let's say one of my rules for making a sandwich is if wheat bread then toasted. You can simplify it into if WB (wheat bread) then T (Toasted). Then you take its contraposition (exact opposite) which would be if not toasted then not wheat bread (-T then - WB). Boom! Then just do the same for the other rules. It's really not that hard to make and follow rules for a movie.
It's basically playing any Call of Duty game in singleplayer mode. Especially the modern warfare series on the highest difficulty. You have to do things just right in just the right order to get through or proceed. It's an amusing parallel.
It's simply impossible, since the only way you retain info is via changes to your brain and any 'reset' of your physical state (i.e. death) would reset your brain as well. So don't worry, there's no magic disembodied soul to learn anything anyway.
***** It's to help understand what a rule truly implies. Taking a contraposition from a rule would be the first step then combing them would be the next. Understanding the relationship between rules is way more important than just the rules themselves. Basically, you can make inferences to better understand your limitations and options.
What I'm talking about is understanding propositional logic. What I've explained doesn't cover everything but that doesn't mean it's complicated. I hoped this helped.
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Damn, I was hoping that pointing out plotholes in a movie that didn't take itself completely seriously wouldn't be the focus of this video.
Umm how did this movie not take itself seriously? It set up specific rules and just didn’t make sense
@@Brandon-rb4sm Yeah, the characters definitely took the plot seriously! People clearly took the movie seriously....But I guess because the script is just so bad that the only feasible excuse is that the writer just didn't take writing it seriously...therefore it's OK. 🤷 Cool, wish that worked in other jobs, damn.
@@sorryifoldcomment8596 nah, the tone for almost the entire first half is pretty damn goofy, it does make fun of itself a lot
Can we just accept that time travel will never make sense?
+secretagentlucario 12 Monkeys did it just fine. I think the real problem is that it's difficult to come up with a compelling drama around such a rigidly nuaced mechanic.
+secretagentlucario It works better the less you explain it.
Yes, I felt like he was nick picking when time travel is such a hard topic.
In the manga I believe the "omega" is basically just biological machinery that transfers your memories into a past version of yourself (which is how the loop works) and the "alphas" are its operators who imprinted themselves onto it and activated it to begin the loop (shortly before the battle, which is where the loop begins), they all experience the loop and they all have the ability to restart the loop at will, however the protagonist can only restart the loop by killing himself.
Shouldn't the omega be called the alpha, and the alphas called betas?
+vpfan207 XD
+vpfan207 I'm da alpha bich
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Beta uprising when
I feel like im watching a Cinema Sins video....
"WOULD YOU LIKE A HUUUUUGGGGGGG?!?!" I'm dying!
This movie kinda reminds me of dark souls. The whole thing where you do this and that and oh shit you die and try again a shit ton more times till you finally get it right xd
MizuiroNo You could say it's the dark souls of films
Darksouls had a perfectly logical (well, magical) explanation.
You weren't called the ashen one for nothing. You, and most other creatures (except bosses since you steal their souls) are restored because you all are ash and doomed to be reborn.
There's also a timeline divergance subplot.
iirc the movie was largely inspired by respawn systems in games
That timeline divergence subplot is actually Dark Souls II.
It reminds me of my dreams. Except every time the dream restarts it will definitely get worse. Never gone the other way...
I saw this in the theatre and it was really fun and entertaining. I think you're over thinking it. Just suspend your disbelief and enjoy the fun.
Maybe the alphas won't suicide because they consider themselves a single organism, so the concept of suicide would be applied to the whole (which is bad), or it isn't a concept they understand.
It's a summer fun movie, and a good one at that. You didn't mention anything about the film's excellent pacing or clever premise that consistently entertains. The movie is well crafted. You also skipped over the romance between the two leads that I thought was actually believable and was actually tender for a minute in the barn. I liked it and I'd watch it again. If film is a visual medium at it's core, plot really isn't the most important aspect of good cinema. The plot was good enough to drive the movie forward, and the entire movie was filled with sci-fi elements that piqued the audience's curiosity. I enjoyed this movie and I hate comic book movies, so it obviously offered me something more than your typical summer CGI garbage fest.
Someone obviously didn't watch Adam's "Top 10 of 2008" video.
You do realize he complained about people telling him to enjoy the movie by not thinking about the movie right?
You shouldn't have to suspend your belief this much.
But you know, Adam said he liked the movie... but I suppose the point of the "Thought On" are to try and pick apart plot holes and he did get a lot of very important ones. Like, it's fair enough you can easily watch it and not totally get how the mechanics don't make sense, but things like Cage not killing himself after he injected the transponder is just bad.
>If film is a visual medium at it's core, plot really isn't the most important aspect of good cinema
No no no no no no no. No. No no. Plot is REALLY important to a lot of films... some less that others, sure, and it isn't necessary. Film may be a visual medium but it's also a STORYTELLING medium (generally), so the STORY should try to make sense.
That'd be a weird review if he DIDN'T skip over those things
"I didn't much care for these things, but TheClassicSauce thought the premise was clever and the pacing was excellent, and also thought the romantic leads were believable and tender. I'm sure you guys don't know TheClassicSauce, but rest assured, it would have been unprofessional of me to not mention things that are other people's opinions"
NickersonGeneral No, I don't think that's fair. I mean, sure, Adam may not have liked all those things, but in the entire review he mentioned very little he liked, yet said that overall it was enjoyable.
I think Adam does sometimes skimp on the positive aspects of films.
"The power is gone. I feel it."
No, I'm sure what you're feeling is extreme disorientation from, for the first time in who knows how long, you're NOT waking up on a pile of luggage.
Guy has become so used to his crazy Groundhogs Day-esque situation that getting injured and not dying from it has blown his mind!
Lol
This movie was a lot smarter before I saw this video.
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The information could either have been conveyed in the film or not conveyed in the film (ala Austin Powers' time travel car, nobody nitpicks because the movie literally tells you not to worry about it). Since the movie attempted to explain a magical recurring event, it is then held to its explanation. The sin of the film was pretending there was a way to make sense of it.
Matt Silver That wasn't a compliment you fucking idiot.
There's this thing called 'suspension of disbelief' that Adam should adopt when watching movies. He does realize that correcting the errors he pointed out would result in the destruction of the plot structure, and thus maybe sacrificing the pace and maybe the excitement provoked by the initial story ? Sometimes you just gotta accept the codes that the movie presents to you, and just have a good time watching it. Honestly it was a blast for me
Right after Tom dies the first time and the time travel stuff starts: I just stopped trying to wrap my head around it. Explaining time-travel - and in particular in this movie - ends up like the famous Chewbacca defense: It makes no sense and your head explodes ...
BUT! It was a lot of fun to watch nevertheless. Most of the fun is simply to see suicide/killing people is done so casually, seeing Tom rolling under the car to get crashed always makes me chuckle.
Also those exoskeleton-suits were so fun, as were the battle-scenes in gerneral. Would love something like that, just without time-travel and giger-aliens conquering Earth instead.
And Emily Blunt in this armour is gorgeous to watch ... ^^ Guess she hit my soft Femshep-spot here. Hollywood, don't remake franchises with all women as cheap gimmick: Give Emily Blunt her own original sci-fi action franchise!
"you should just ignore the movie by ignoring parts of the movie"
XD
*enjoy
Holly shit, you're better at cinema sins than the CinemaSins dude himself!
Probably because it's an actual review and analysis instead of a channel of click baity lists.
Matt Silver Okay, even if that's your opinion, there's no need for you to insult people like that.
Matt Silver Lol, I'm not that egocentric.
yeah but the cinemasins guys are not critics, in their own words, they are assholes , but funny assholes as adam is a funny nitpicking critic
Matt Silver
yeah! not for me but you should practice it
"Thoughts on" Yeah okay there Adam
Even though I love this movie, I also love this review.
This movie would have been so much better if when the omega died he started all over again.
Fuck a happy ending, I want utter despair
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Go draw some more Velma r34 for Paul.
"Now I have no idea if these characters are in the manga"
Wait, what?
The original thing this movie is based on is a manga. I think the name is different though.
All you need is kill is the manga name
jameer always nice finding berserk people
The scene where Tom Cruise's face is melted by the Alpha's blood looks like it's straight out of a game made ten years ago.
The way I look at it is that the Mimic isn't really sentient per se, more like an animal with an evolved series of responses that include copying the tactics of its self-aware enemies.
"You should just enjoy the movie by ignoring parts of the movie." I dont think truer words have ever been said about people defending crappy movie plots.
Kinda wish they were more faithful to the manga/novel. The time traveling mechanic made more sense and the ending isn't some weird happy ending that broke it's own laws for no reason.
Read the Manga/Light novel instead. It' s called All You Need Is Kill.
Dark Souls: The Movie
i like the music choices you added in the back. great taste
Just watched this film for the first time. I actually said "for fucks sake" out loud when Cruise got infected at the end, the shitty part being that I knew it was to orchestrate an ending where everything turned out alright and everyone was alive. As convoluted as the plot points on time travel were, I'd have had more respect for the film if it finished with the timeline in which Cruise, Blunt & Co. died killing the Omega. But no. Hollywood Ending had to happen. Pity.
Still enjoyed it for what it was, though, and immediately came here to watch your logic bomb blow it to pieces. Good stuff!
Decidedly British Alaric I hated the ending so much, it would have been so much better if they just left it when the omega died.
+Decidedly British Alaric I almost screamed at the screen with anger when title screen appeared and fucking 'Can you love me again' started playing. It's like all the tension, all the drama and thrill got thrown in the window for that completely out-of-place hit song. Like wtf, was the other director making the ending and choosing the song?
I think the real reason why people like this movie is because they get to see Tom Cruise die. A lot. Not saying it's a good reason or why everyone enjoys it, but it's a reason nonetheless.
Good god! I never even considered that. *downloads*
*****
I've masturbated to less.
***** i hope you flossed first!
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Tom Cruise Is kooky sure but he's completely harmless and has put out some decent enough sci fi movies lately. Hating the Cruisemeister is so 10 years ago.
Meh I enjoyed it because it was fun and looked good, ending was way too happy though so that's a big minus, but I don't think about movies that much that I break them apart and nitpick all the details while uncovering every single plot hole it has. It's just escapism, nothing more.
So I loved all but one part of the review. Dragging on about how Tom got the powers and how dumb it was really doesn't work because it isn't really a plot hole. More of a plot convenience.
The day tom got the Powers was day 2 (or possibly later as each repeat would have a slightly different outcome till we get to the one where tom makes it to the Alpha). The first day was when they were surprised by the humans.
So Tom killing the Alpha (or even being there) was new to them. Second, they gave the powers to the Girl on PURPOSE. They gave her the powers so that the humans would feel confident in their ability to win. It is possible that they didn't know that the power could be stolen in such a way.
The Alpha was on the field because they are the eyes and ears of the Omega. The Omega does not control the mimics. They are being commanded by the Alphas but they seem to be separate entities otherwise there would be hordes of them anytime one found a human. So if the Alphas were underground all the time they couldn't see how the day played out to make corrections. Only the Alphas and Omega remember the day. And the Alpha was in the back watching/learning.
Tom was in a clear area and the mimics thought he was dead. So this is not dissimilar to a field commander surveying the battlefield from a safe distance. (not safe enough). The reason the Alpha attacked is that it was the first to notice and it still has self-preservation. The day was going well. no point in resetting if he can kill the Human And if the human kills him the day resets anyways so no loss for the attempt.
It was only Tom's quick thinking with the claymore that gave him the powers. The Omega didn't know that Tom had the powers at first. It only realized this once Tom started doing so well. It recognized that the girl had done the same thing. THEN it tried to take the power away from Tom.
The thing you spent soooooo long railing against isn't a plot hole. It is just a convenience that it happened to our protagonist. But in-universe it makes sense. Also, it is likely that the Omega has never had its powers stolen from it in such a way. (because remember the Omega gave the girl the powers intentionally the only other time)
Also for those that so oft complain (not yet but I am hoping to preempt it. THE OMEGA CAN NOT CONTROL TIME AT WILL! It is an involuntary response. This gives them the PERFECT victory because losing even one part of your central nervous system would be detrimental to your health. The Omega is otherwise just a giant supercomputer that controls the Alphas (and through the Alphas guides the Mimics) as a giant RTS that spans an entire continent. It can't just time warp to whenever it wants. Also, it might KNOW that the day resets but not remember the day, explaining how it found Tom and why the mimics used the same tactics over and over. They are unaware of the events of the day and are forced to set up a basic defence again and again without being able to adapt while still being aware that the day is resseting.
Also also. The point about the Omega making an alpha kill itself is kinda flawed. It is a cultural thing ( or perhaps more of a lack of perspective thing). The closest example is 9/11. Before that day it was unthinkable that someone would use a civilian filled vehicle as a weapon to commit such an atrocity. The Omega had likely NEVER had to even consider killing an alpha on purpose and therefore would not come up with it as an idea. The thing that makes humanity strong is the fact that we are not a single mind. people come up with many ways to do things but that doesn't mean that its a real problem when an ALIEN doesn't think the same way we do. Maybe killing an alpha in such a way wouldn't trigger the INVOLUNTARY response. If I know it is coming I don't flinch at the sound of gunfire. (Honestly, that is a stretch) But my point stands that we don't know enough about the Omega or its system to say that its a problem. In-universe consistency is what's important and they never showed or stated that the Omega had alphas suicide so it would have been more out of character if they had STARTED that so late in the film.
The blood thing is honestly the most reasonable part. He got the power by sharing the creature's blood. so a blood transfusion would dilute the alpha blood to a point where it would no longer trigger the Omega response. You literally say that its better if they don't explain it but all they do is give an out. They don't explain how much is needed because WE don't need that info. All we need to know is that there is a way to lose the power and this it is important that he dies rather than anything else. Setting up the rules is not a bad thing. especially since YOU would complain if they didn't explain how she lost her power.
"They gave the girl their powers on purpose so they could make humans feel confident in their ability to win" HAHA that's the stupidest thing I have ever heard. There is zero logical reason why they would play mind games with the humans when they could just curbstomp mankind into extinction anyway.
The Light Novel I feel does a better job of explaining the issues you have. Although, there were still a bunch of issues I had as well from reading the novel. Doesn't mean the movie makes more sense, as a bunch of little different things cause the book explanations don't help. Great vid. Lots of ridiculous things.
At least the mimic are actively trying to find the Protagonist when ever he resets.
Like when he tried to escape at that one point.
I don't think "3 Pints" had anything to do with it, I think it was written more to emphasise how you cannot afford get a blood transfusion.
There's no "entire manga." The movie is based on a novel, and the novel's English translation is a mere 230 pages.
In a default setup, you have the Omega, the Alphas and the Mimics. The Mimics are just cannon fodder, but the Alphas are important agents whose purpose is to survey the field and use the time loop power to win the battle. The Omega automatically resets the day when an Alpha dies and in the next loop does whatever needs to be done differently to prevent that Alpha from getting killed. The goal is to 1. Win the battle and 2. Have no Alphas die in the process.
Now I don't remember exactly what information the movie does and doesn't provide on this, but I like to assume that only the Alphas are advanced enough to actually retain vital information, while the Mimics are just mindless drones and can't transmit vital information to the Omega. This would explain why Tom Cruise can learn to kill them repeatedly without consequence and why them killing him doesn't tip off the Omega about him. This way, the Omega only learns that Tom is the one with the power once he is found by another Alpha.
When Tom Cruise gets Alpha blood in him, he doesn't "steal the Omega's power", rather, he becomes somewhat of an Alpha himself. He doesn't directly control the resetting of the day, nor has he removed the Omega's ability to reset the day, he's just in the system now and can essentially "abuse" that power by voluntarily killing himself which will always trigger the Omega's impulse to reset.
Now whenever Tom Cruise dies, the Omega resets the day, and yes it still retains the knowledge of what happened that day, but it doesn't have the memories of Tom Cruise the way it has the memories of the Alphas. So it knows the day reset was triggered, but it doesn't know why. Presumably it notices that none of it's own Alphas actually died and realizes someone else must have gotten into the network, but it has no way of knowing who or how, so now it's next step is to either task the Alphas with locating that human on the battlefield, or failing that, to lure them into a trap (which is what happens).
The reason Tom can't just go back and recreate the moment he got the power is because the Omega would have already changed that scenario to prevent that specific Alpha from getting killed, so being able to recreate that moment would be very unlikely, since that Alpha would most likely not even be there anymore.
As for Emily Blunt and the other guy knowing all the info about the Omega, that's a stretch sure. For the Alphas, I don't think Tom ever kills one in the film other than the first one, so it's safe to assume that if he did he would immediately wake up at the beginning of the day without having died himself. This probably happened to Emily Blunt's character back when she had the power and that's how she figured it out.
The Alphas seemingly not being able to kill themselves and a number of other things are still valid criticism.
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Okay, there were a couple plot holes in the movie:
-Why didn't the alien hive mind have the minions kill a Beta, resetting the day, the instant it realized the Alpha was under attack?
-Why were the Betas even near a battle when their blood could give humans the time reset power? They knew this when it first happened to Emily Blunt.
-Why did they spend so much time trying to perfect getting off the beach when stealing a transport to fly to the Alpha the night before was so easy?
-Why did they bother trying to escape from the military headquarters? They had already found the location of the Alpha. All Cruise had to do was shoot himself to reset the day with that knowledge.
But the movie was entertaining enough that it was easy to gloss over that stuff. Cruise getting run over by a truck was the most entertaining scene of the year. In an era where so many action movies are bland, empty CGI garbage based on comic books or remakes, Edge of Tomorrow was a breath of fresh air by giving us a hyper violent Groundhog Day. Every action scene had meaning (except the end, which was a little weak), they did a good job changing up the looping so it never got stale, and they threw in human moments like Cruise getting so weary that he would give up for a while and spend days just trying to connect with Blunt in a doomed effort.
dorpth Apparently the Omega can only sned orders everytime the day resets or an Alpha dies (therefore resetting the day).
What is that beautiful legend of zelda type song playing in the background at 6:00?????
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Stelvio Cipriani - soundtrack from Anonimo Veneziano
@@RiveTheRat THANK YOU!!!!!
I approve of your usage of the Bastion Soundtrack
When Tom killed the first Alpha, that one Alpha wasn't in the other scenes because Tom was now the Alpha, right?
I might be completely wrong, but if I'm not, that could just mean that Tom is the Omega at the end.
Idek
That's how I understand it.
I appreciate the Vulfpeck songs in your videos. So refreshing
It was good, not great. I really only hated the ending. It seemed so Hollywood like.
"It seemed so Hollywood like."
This is your gripe with a film funded, produced, and published by... Hollywood?
I don't like fruit, much. They taste so... fruitlike.
the book ending was so much better
Read the manga.
Good shit.
Read the book, they changed the ending for the movie. c:
What I meant was it tried to make it a happy ending. I haven't read the novel, but from what I've heard it's bittersweet which not many big budget movies are trying to do, similar to what they did with the ending of The Descent.
You kinda contradict yourself when talking about this and Looper. Do you want more or less explanation on things like time travel?
Hindumaliman The amount of explanation given is irrelevant so long as the movie is able to follow the very same rules it claims to be true for its universe. My complaints for both films stem from each film contradicting its own logic. To claim as though "more" or "less" explanation should be a blanket rule for all films would be stupid.
are you a fan of anime if you mind me asking
not you the yms guy sorry about that.
+YourMovieSucksDOTorg i know that this is not with the train of thought of the convo here but the music in the beginning is the theme music for mermaid man and barnacle boy from spongebob
+john Ruta mermaid man and barnacle boy, UNITE!!!
there seems to be a misunderstanding here. Tom Cruise getting the power doesn't mean he steals it. he's just gains the ability to use the mechanism. if any other alpha dies, it's still going to reset. he is also not part of the hive mind so the Omega doesn't know what he experience when he died and won't adapt it's strategy. this works vice versa, too. if an alpha dies for reasons unrelated to tom cruise, the Omega resets the day and he wouldn't even know it happened. for him it would essentially be like it never happened any other way if something was changed afterwards.
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Ok, 7:00, did you even watched the movie? The Omega used all this to lure them... first with the woman was to make humans think they can win, to throw everything in battle, the Omega even lures Tom Cruise to a false location later. Get the movie right before talking.
While I get a lot of the points he made, almost all of them can easily be explained without reaching beyond the boundaries provided.
This is definitely one of those moments where I acknowledge the validity of all the points, but it doesn't change how I feel about the movie. I still think it is an incredibly enjoyable film. That being said, I really liked both main characters. So, that is obviously going to make the film more enjoyable for me. I even liked the tremendous cop-out of an ending. If it were up to me, I would have changed it. There would be no time reset. Because that is stupid. However, I liked all the characters and I was happy they were all alive and well at the end of the movie. Once again, I get how ridiculous that is. I get what a bad ending it is. However, I still dug it. I don't consider the movie to be a guilty pleasure of mine, but I do consider the ending to be.
One thing though... I don't think the scene with Rita and the helicopter is actually that zany. I think the idea is that Rita understands that she has become to Cage what her dead friend had become to her: a constant source of pain. I think it fucks her right up and she goes into, what you aptly named, "suicide mode". I don't know, maybe that feels too thin for you. However, I thought it worked really nicely.
Please note that I am not saying the above makes this movie a perfect ten or anything. I get where you are coming from and, beyond that one point, don't necessarily disagree.
You took the digital text right out of my screen. I feel the movie does a good job of showing the arc that Cruise's character goes through, and I can really get into the headspace and scenarios presented to the characters. I would attribute the ending to somewhat of an obligatory necessity, since the majority of movie-goers would be disatisfied with an ending where the main character we've grown to like dies. While I believe the ending could've definitely been better, the other aspects of the movie really tied it all together and made it a satisfying and entertaining experience. I would give a solid 7/10.
Bottom line: don't fuck with time travel.
Damn I enjoyed this review so much, I love the movie a lot, but your points rung so true and made me laugh my ass off!
I enjoyed a lot this movie and I also enjoyed a lot this review, it was funny and rather clever.
Good review. Personally this was literally the only movie in watched in 2014 and so it is literally my best movie of the year. Now here's a fun fact for you: Time travel stories are physically and mathematically impossible to make sense. That is because time travel itself violates causality, causality being the thing that you use to "make sense of things". So no matter what, if you have time travel in your story, your story is forced to not make sense.
I watched this movie a long time ago and I never paid that much attention to it.I thought the movie was ok.But there are so many plot holes and the movie is so confusing once you think about it 😂
Not lag. The Omega's day resets. Tom Cruise's day resets when he dies, by creating another timeline, which is the only possible explanation. Well, it could be lag, but there is none for the rest of the movie.