30 % of DA's voters are Coloureds and we are seeing how the DA wants to exclude Coloured Parties from having a voice. We also see how only 3 Coloureds made it to Parliament in the DA. All of this is well noted!!!
Very far from the truth, if any of you were around before elections the DA had been in pains talking about a doomsday coalition, coloured party .....not sure by the way de Lille has been working with Ramaphosa, if 30% of coloured people vote how many vote for other parties....I think the idea of tribal politics is exaggerated by some of you.
RISE MNANZI JUST JOINED. NOW WE NEED BOSA, ACTION SA, NCC, AL JAMAA AND ATM TO COME ON BOARD. DA THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO BE THE ONLY BRIDE. Gayton hinted EFF might join as well. I see DA sitting in the opposition benches soon.
Maybe the ANC/EFF and MK must form a coalition and govern the country. The ANC thinks they can use the DA to grant credibility to something that is gradually losing substance🤣🤣🤣
The ANC couldn't do that in the first place. DA had already labelled a prospective coalition between ANC/MK/EFF as a "Doomsday coalition". This prompted the ANC forming a coalition with the DA.
@@jthehorn441 and then get Mashatile as a replacement. The ANC can always go at it with other partners. The DA cannot get the numbers without ANC, MK and EFF. And mind you, the MK and EFF don’t want Cyril.
Not really the D.A. can go to court and accuse them of breach and if that is proved then all new parties that joined will be dismissed and whoever comes back then will also have approval from D.A.
@@Molfie123 True, however, I'm looking at it from Ramaphosa's perspective. If I were him I would try to appease the other coalition partners (especially DA and IFP) since they hold in their hands his presidency.
Pierre, this time you got it wrong , because all parties who joined first have the right to consultation. Parties who joined afterwards will also have to be consulted who will or can join the GNU. This is how it works not you explained it.
It is on record that the ANC invited different parties to form GNU. The DA was the first party to be invited and to agree to be part of GNU. Other political parties were invited and likewise agreed to form part of GNU. It is not the prerogative of any single party to deny or question the joining of a party to GNU. If there was a Grand Coalition agreement between the ANC and the DA,the DA would be correct in insisting on it to be consulted in case the Grand Coalition was expanded. That would have been automatically done as there would be only two parties in the Coalition. This time around, Helen Zille not the DA is playing a party politicking card.
What is the DA scared of???? The PA has promised scrutiny???? Sounds suspicious that DA objecting so loudly. Again the secrecy in the process. Nice way to start a new government process. What we’ve seen of the chaos in council and the assembly by EFF is an example of the future. DA needs to pull their head in.
I think its more of the principle at play. If we remember the 1994-1997 GNU fell apart because the ANC did whatever the hell the wanted without consulting their partners.
Go back 3 years + to see the multiple double crossing of Gayton McKenzie ... that prompted the DA to refrain from including the PA in any government. Gayton is an unreliable deceiver and will continue to do so! He is loosing support now ... as can be seen in the latest by election in Beaufort West. PA will soon disappear! Gayton gave the PA a BAD NAME long time ago!
@@jthehorn441 but they walked rough shod because they were majority, no votes could oppose them. Thats why so much corruption was covered up. Failing infrastructure was always rescued to the detriment of all service provision. If the whole floor votes in favour of well researched policies and not party devotion the country will be well on the way to recovery in 5 years time and the next election will see the people knowing how their votes will count.
Problem with these many new members if valid it will dilute D.A.'s influence in the pact and if they pull out it means they wasted their votes to put Cyril in place and this is only national. Provincial ANC stands to lose a lot.
Yes, but the DA acting like the PA are not entitled to a place at the table in the first instance - the exclusionary practice brings the level of the DA down to the very minor seats who refuse to work with DA. so if Gayton negotiates to give his numbers to a party who wants a portfolio in exchange for their vote for a portfolio he wants that would put Zilla at a particular disadvantage ne. Gayton is much stronger than leader of DA in terms of putting things right. Steenhuisen won’t win many debates against Gayton.
No no my friend. The DA want to be treated equal. Just the same as the other parties that will and have joined. If the ANC can not stick to there word. Then the Da may as well walk away.
ITS NOT GNU, unless it involves all parties or it is formed under a state of strong tension and opted for as a way of keeping peace. The current government being formed is just coalitions NOT GNU
DA never fights a fight they cannot win, so there gota some crediblity in their argument; as they proven over & over again. I honestly do not understand why the majority of black South Africans are wishing for a Zimbabwe. Why don't they just move there, it'll make their lives much easier
30 % of DA's voters are Coloureds and we are seeing how the DA wants to exclude Coloured Parties from having a voice. We also see how only 3 Coloureds made it to Parliament in the DA. All of this is well noted!!!
Yep, I saw that too. DA is intimidated by the coloured parties.
Very far from the truth, if any of you were around before elections the DA had been in pains talking about a doomsday coalition, coloured party .....not sure by the way de Lille has been working with Ramaphosa, if 30% of coloured people vote how many vote for other parties....I think the idea of tribal politics is exaggerated by some of you.
RISE MNANZI JUST JOINED. NOW WE NEED BOSA, ACTION SA, NCC, AL JAMAA AND ATM TO COME ON BOARD. DA THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO BE THE ONLY BRIDE. Gayton hinted EFF might join as well. I see DA sitting in the opposition benches soon.
Hopefully they will all give the DA a tuff time,so that the DA can come out...As you say DA wants to rule.
This is factions of the ANC trying to break the GNU
Make all GNU agreements public, especially one with Orania, DA and PA
Yes voters must see who is who!
It's in the constitution
Bromance falling apart already 🤦🏼♀️
The DA isn't gonna last. The ANC is on a recruitment drive, Hlabisa and Steinhuizn I can see them talking
Desperation of Anc dont want to agree tgey loose the vote
Maybe the ANC/EFF and MK must form a coalition and govern the country. The ANC thinks they can use the DA to grant credibility to something that is gradually losing substance🤣🤣🤣
MK and the EFF will remove Cyril Ramaphosa and after him they will tear the ANC to pieces and swallow it.
No more Cyril and no more ANC!
The ANC couldn't do that in the first place. DA had already labelled a prospective coalition between ANC/MK/EFF as a "Doomsday coalition". This prompted the ANC forming a coalition with the DA.
ANC outplayed DA, all their major pieces are in place, now it's middle game time.
Remember, DA can simply leave the GNU, propose a vote of no confidence and voila, it passes and Cyril is gone.
@@jthehorn441 and then get Mashatile as a replacement. The ANC can always go at it with other partners. The DA cannot get the numbers without ANC, MK and EFF. And mind you, the MK and EFF don’t want Cyril.
Not really the D.A. can go to court and accuse them of breach and if that is proved then all new parties that joined will be dismissed and whoever comes back then will also have approval from D.A.
@@mutwa_0 Perhaps (and hopefully)
@@Molfie123 True, however, I'm looking at it from Ramaphosa's perspective. If I were him I would try to appease the other coalition partners (especially DA and IFP) since they hold in their hands his presidency.
Nothing wrong in more parties joining the GNU as this will help in corruption as these political parties will become watchdogs of each other...
There is an option madala and you know the option
Pierre, this time you got it wrong , because all parties who joined first have the right to consultation. Parties who joined afterwards will also have to be consulted who will or can join the GNU. This is how it works not you explained it.
It is on record that the ANC invited different parties to form GNU. The DA was the first party to be invited and to agree to be part of GNU. Other political parties were invited and likewise agreed to form part of GNU. It is not the prerogative of any single party to deny or question the joining of a party to GNU. If there was a Grand Coalition agreement between the ANC and the DA,the DA would be correct in insisting on it to be consulted in case the Grand Coalition was expanded. That would have been automatically done as there would be only two parties in the Coalition. This time around, Helen Zille not the DA is playing a party politicking card.
What is the DA scared of???? The PA has promised scrutiny???? Sounds suspicious that DA objecting so loudly. Again the secrecy in the process. Nice way to start a new government process. What we’ve seen of the chaos in council and the assembly by EFF is an example of the future. DA needs to pull their head in.
I think its more of the principle at play. If we remember the 1994-1997 GNU fell apart because the ANC did whatever the hell the wanted without consulting their partners.
Go back 3 years + to see the multiple double crossing of Gayton McKenzie
... that prompted the DA to refrain from including the PA in any government.
Gayton is an unreliable deceiver and will continue to do so!
He is loosing support now ... as can be seen in the latest by election in Beaufort West.
PA will soon disappear!
Gayton gave the PA a BAD NAME long time ago!
@@jthehorn441 but they walked rough shod because they were majority, no votes could oppose them. Thats why so much corruption was covered up. Failing infrastructure was always rescued to the detriment of all service provision. If the whole floor votes in favour of well researched policies and not party devotion the country will be well on the way to recovery in 5 years time and the next election will see the people knowing how their votes will count.
Problem with these many new members if valid it will dilute D.A.'s influence in the pact and if they pull out it means they wasted their votes to put Cyril in place and this is only national.
Provincial ANC stands to lose a lot.
Honeymoon looks like it may be over, this Marriage is already in choppy waters and someone wants the DA out of the bed.
This Boat is sinking.....
GNU is TITANIC
Yes, but the DA acting like the PA are not entitled to a place at the table in the first instance - the exclusionary practice brings the level of the DA down to the very minor seats who refuse to work with DA. so if Gayton negotiates to give his numbers to a party who wants a portfolio in exchange for their vote for a portfolio he wants that would put Zilla at a particular disadvantage ne. Gayton is much stronger than leader of DA in terms of putting things right. Steenhuisen won’t win many debates against Gayton.
No no my friend. The DA want to be treated equal. Just the same as the other parties that will and have joined. If the ANC can not stick to there word. Then the Da may as well walk away.
ITS NOT GNU, unless it involves all parties or it is formed under a state of strong tension and opted for as a way of keeping peace.
The current government being formed is just coalitions NOT GNU
Dirk saving the DA from their own arrogance and shoring up the gossamer that veils ANC rapacity.
DA will be messed up by this GNU,
This GNU is boring everyday gnu andkaze ndifikwe kaso😴🙄
Politics 😂
DA never fights a fight they cannot win, so there gota some crediblity in their argument; as they proven over & over again. I honestly do not understand why the majority of black South Africans are wishing for a Zimbabwe. Why don't they just move there, it'll make their lives much easier
By that logic majority of white South Africans can move to countries that have and are already what they are wishing for, right?
@Molfie123 majority of whites are progressive, majority of blacks are regressive. @Moffie
It’s only the “markets” that can turn us into “Zimbabwe”. And guess who is the “markets”. WMC. The minority
We hear you... White's interest
You and your Whites can move to Orania
SA gave you the Land and leave blacks and Coloureds run their country to Zimbabwe