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When will someone in this debate look at what caused the massive drop in fertility rates in the mid 70s that we have never recovered from: The legalisation of abortion and the introduction of the pill in the late 60s. These two things alone have nuked the population across the Western world. In the UK we have aborted 10 million babies in the last fifty years. Those extra ten million alone would have looked after our population deficit and we wouldn't even need migrant workers. It's amazing to me that nobody can see this chain of causation. It is so obvious and has happened in literally every country on earth that legalised abortion and introduced the pill into their culture. Countries in which abortion is illegal have much higher birth-rates and much more responsible men and women. Countries in which the pill isn't widely used are also have higher birth-rates. If you look into who actually invented and first legalised abortion - it was Lenin in Soviet Russia who wanted to use it as a form of population control. Unsurprising as the communist believed that they could control the entire society as if they were ants in a hive. Now we have women brain-washed into an almost unbelievable level of degeneracy in the UK - smoking, drinking, drugging and aborting their way through their early twenties, working in soulless corporate jobs until their mid thirties, then panicking in their 30s or becoming bitter in their 40s. It's bleak.
@@jamesb4729 and my wife still works effectively full time, has multiple degrees, a Masters and is currently doing a Doctorate...just to smash your preconceptions further.
The grandchildren aspect of having kids is so unsung! It's been an utter revelation to me! We are a huge part of our grandchildren's lives, and they ours. It's more wondrous even than kids were! The fact that this isn't spoken about or that it's presented as a boring thing, is so weird! Grandparenting is totally sublime, superb, beauteous, fabulous, marvellous, a delight and a PRIVILAGE!
Short term - ethnically conscious English will completely self segregate to autonomous regions. The economic decline will drive this event to occur this decade.
Who says your traitorous government will allow you to do that? Anywhere the English congregate, they will send millions of foreigners to flood you out.
I sincerely hope this is the case. We could populate small rural towns and inevitably take power in the councils and businesses once our numbers were great enough, like the Muslims do.
But, whilst that would be a great idea, you also need to be rid of the majority that take, take, take, & that do not assimilate to the cultural, religious, societal, lawful, & heritage-like norms that is a basic, & baked in necessity of the country.
We manage fine in Japan without immigration. Less young people go to university and do many of the jobs that Britain imports people to do. How many immigrants in the UK are needed to provide 24 hr food delivery services, mostly from restraunts populated by more immigrants?
There are plenty of immigrants in Japan, you just can’t see them as they are from other (poorer) Asian countries and they do the jobs the Japanese won’t do.
Convincing thirty-somethings Jemima and Henry to a have an extra child won't do much because their old classmates, Muhammed and Fatima, are already grandparents by the time little Oliver's started nursery. And by the time Oliver's butting heads with an anti-white interview panel for his first post-university job, Muhammed and Fatima's not so little Ahmed has already had his second kid.
That's somewhat outdated. Minority birth rates are actually plummeting the most because of hyper-urbanization and the massive push to get minority women into colleges and universities.
@@mrshonourable well, immigration is genocide. AND the way immigration changes the situation for the worse soon even uneducated refugees will stop coming here (to Europe).
Around 9m40s, with regard to UK Muslim fertility rates, in simple terms, people who follow this religion tend to be less well educated, misogynistic, and stubborn. This results in a slower integration, and slower adapting of the fertility rate.
Saw a stat this week that stated 78% of muslim women are staying at home types. Even those who are university educated as they see it as a path to a better marriage and frequently leave work much earlier. So they stay at home and claim every benefit available.
@@WinstonSmithGPTthey do it daily out of ignorance. They and their children will be poor, along with everything that that brings. And probably heavily dependent on state benefits.
Not true - unless you are talking London. My son & his gf have just bought a £300k new build within an hour commute of London. They saved for a deposit, a bit of help from the developer & a contribution from parents - but NEITHER are on anything near average wage. They could have done it without parental help if they had gone for an older house. The media & political class just want you to believe it's impossible - they want to destroy family life.
@@WinstonSmithGPT I could never afford to give any children I might have fathered the childhood I had in the 1960s, and I grew up on a public housing estate in a New Town built to house displaced people from the East End of London after the Second World War.
I just don't understand his point about labour shortages, surely if you have a stable population then you will have an equilibrium of labour. Do we only need ever increasing labour because our population increases due to immigration? Seems like a viscious cycle
“We do not have the hearts to turn people back and drown”. I can tell you even as a Christian, if an adult male illegal immigrant is warned beforehand that if they try to cross the border their boat will be sunk, the fault will be on them if they ignore the warning.
That's unnecessary. Passenger flights leave daily to all areas of the globe. Handcuff, bus to airport and immigration police accompanied free flight with a cup of tea and a couple of quid for their bus fare home.
@@DavidMartin-ym2te It was their fate that drove them to be damned. They chose to sail on the high seas, and to populate our cities and houses. And don't for one second either, think that these "migrants" were not incentivized to do so. Think on that for a little while.
The big elephant in the room that nobody remotely addressed is the tectonic shift of the role of women in society. If we have bigger families we need women who are raised to see themselves in that rôle. Every other solution is wishful thinking.
@@janewest2845 I do not put the blame squarely on women. It is the way our society now is structured that prevents families from burgeoning and being stable. One thing I would say however is that women cannot find a suitable partner partially because, parents have not brought up boys to have an expectation of being a family man, but also because women have, in the last generation, made themselves so accessible to casual relations that men see no need to go farther than that. Women have always controlled what men are willing to do to get them. They do not know how to do that anymore because there mothers did not teach them.
@@robm8809If all white men stopped working until everything broke down, then no more immigrants would wanna come here and loads would go back home. We won't do that of course because 99% have already given up and only worry about their own money. 🙈
Depends where you live, & if you are looking to buy a house with a partner. It can be done, but the elites want to destroy families so people become more reliant on the state. It was also hard a generation ago, but we had a government promoting family life. I wish you well. Have belief in yourself.
Live outside the major cities when starting your family. The properties in places on the train route between Glasgow and Edinburgh, for example, are far cheaper than their equivalent in those two big cities. It can be done.
@@Heidi123 so many young people are brainwashed into thinking that living in a big city is best because of access to bars, restaurants & nightlife. They need to wean themselves off this view - I had a great time in my youth in an East Midlands seaside town...
If we're going to point out that South Africa isn't the homeland of the Afrikaans, it might be more important that it certainly isn't the homeland of the Bantu.
Afrikaaners had their ethnogenesis on the land of the Cape & they all have a minority of local African ethnic heritage. They have been the argicultural & industrial shapers of the land itself & will be rooted & strong there when sadly multiple native European peoples have disappeared from their ancient sub continental homeland.
As far as I'm concerned, whoever build and shapes the land, adds amenities, farms and infrastructure, adds value.. Its their country. None of these so called first nations ever did that. They simply Sat on it and cried foul when someone else made something of it.
@@lr6477 Why does it matter whether they built farms or infrastructure? They lived on that land for thousands of years and had a sense of ownership over that land. So, if you forcibly expel a people from their land and take it by force, it makes you a conqueror, not an indigenous person. Even if we grant that the Afrikaner identity emerged in South Africa, it doesn't justify the apartheid regime where they treated other races as second-class citizens. To be honest the Black Africans were very gracious and noble in the way they treated white South Africans after the fall of apartheid. If we look at other parts of the world like with the Pied Noir in Algeria things could have turned out very badly for them.
Perhaps it might have been better if SA and Rhodesia were more like SEA colonies. European Whites were the 1% who knew their time was up and prepared for a post-colonial future. The Anglosphere countries would had to take them in. Instead SA-Rhodesian whites ended up in a neither-here-nor-there situation. 😐😐
I struggled to get a decent paying job in the UK - in fact, any job. Couple that with a lack of family support and a feeling of political and social marginalisation and the need to move abroad was prescient for my own mental health. Been in Japan nigh on ten years, got employment, moved on up and by mid 30s was able to start a family. My feeling was had I remained in the UK, I might not have been afforded the same and then I’d be living a much lower quality of life than my parents achieved and I experienced growing up. I wouldn’t say Japan is a place I would recommend to others given it is a highly complex society in terms of social integration and language acquisition, not to mention slim job opportunities, but it was ironically easier for me to move forward than in my own home country who perceives me to be part of a contemptible demographic by the establishment (white male).
High berth rate among foreigners is changing the racial profile of Britain. Having large families leads to overpopulation. Where are we supposed to live and how do we feed ourselves. Our global resources are limited. How many sardines can you force into a tin before the whole tin is damaged? We dont need post war immigration. The Windrush generation should have been on short term work contracts and once rebuilding had been completed they return home. Perhaps they should have been offered zero hour contracts.
It was Idi Amin's expulsions of his Pakistani surpluses to our wool mills that began our cultural rot by an unappealing and incongruous demographic transplant.Akin to how our lands once housed beautiful and gentle red-squirrels up until the more... resources plundering greys arrival from America,which were introduced carrying inherent diseases (substitute for stone age religious/cultural practices)... that duly wiped out millions of indigenous reds to the degree they only are now only found in isolated places like the Isle of Wight with it's Solent sea barrier against grey contamination.Starting to see more examples of their human equivalents manifesting here increasingly.The (pen is) mightier than the sword in the sexual genocide of things.
Good point about the Windrush immigrants and their descendants. The Windrush inflow is one example why allowing big business being influential in politics can become a big problem. Back then the priority was to have workers in the 20-35 age range being allowed to remain in UK as long as possible. Little thought was given on residency status. Practically no thought was given on the impact of decolonization. The Windrushers and their children should simply be Jamaican residents/citizens living in UK. Any granting of long-term residency rights within the UK should be done on a case-by-case basis with strict criteria.
I'm a boomer. My four children were born between 1979 and 1991. It was already then hard going. I had to work night shift in a nursing home because my husband was the main breadwinner. I would have much rather stayed home and raised the children instead of being an exhausted Mum. I understand the despair. Why should people have children? There is a sense of despair for the future. This is simply because we have traitors as leaders in the West who have flooded us with scum.
The Spanish are Christian. They are very, very culturally similar to Americans. I would argue on the whole they hold much more traditional American values than most modern liberal Americans.
English children in English schools to be a minority within 12 years, the English Nation rendered a minority in their homeland in a mere few decades & Britons in the Isles a few short years after that. We built a world spanning Empire with boys & girls that learned latin in their youth & left school for apprentice work at 12 or even younger. Now we spend billions on "free" or highly subsidised priority food & board & healthcare for tens of thousands of ethnic hostiles of foreign extraction & barely useful compulsory education up to the age of 18. This can be fixed & both security & prosperity regained quite quickly with a will to restore native ethnic security & proud ethic of hard work in learning & productivity & an ethos of virtue & ethnic pride.
Looking back over my life there's no doubt at all that I regret not having had more children. I thought having just one to replace myself was the right thing to do. It wasn't
3 men sitting around talking about the need for women to have kids. Men who dont birth, raise (really raise), children. Women are happiest single and wihtout children, but of ourse our happinesss is owned by the state.
Around 22m20s, when Dr Morland is discussing the Japanese model, he does not take into account the rapid change to the labour market, resulting from AI, automation, and robotics. These three are going to reduce employment and increase productivity, dramatically. With the effect that more people will be able to be carers, nurses, etc and be paid a reasonable salary.
Ethnic and cultural make up is destiny not numbers, Europe survived the Black Death with a third of it's previous population but soon recovered stronger because the gene pool hadn't changed.
Your conclusion is stupid. The entire Western world has been at less than replacement rates for fifty years. Extrapolate this for another 150 years and Europe no longer exists.
You dont need the entire population with high fertility rate. You just need to pay a select small portion of the population to have a obscenely high demographic growth.
Does this guy not realise that as the population grows more workers are needed to service the economy, more food production, more delivery men, more health workers, more builders to build extra infrastructure the list goes on and on.
Evan asks great questions, better than Pitt at any rate. He just seems to interject at the right point and pull the conversation and the speaker onto clarifying amd expanding points they make.
Have not had children. This was not an accident. Did not wish to subject any child of mine to what I believe will happen in the future. The older I get the more sure I am that it was the right decision. You have to wonder what goes in the heads of people in abject poverty that seem to have kids like shelling peas.
One of the best messages from the Better Way Conference in Bath, in June 2023 was an audience member who made it clear when she said "Have babies! Get your daughters and sons to put that as their priority! Teach them that the DEFINITION of success is reproduction. We must re-educate all the young to get this clear." Who was that woman???
As a latino in the US, I can tell you that latinos assimilate rather quickly to the main American culture within 2 or 3 generations. In the mean time the immigrants and first generation are not too far out from the American culture as they themselves come from a Spanish/Portuguese base culture. I believe Europe has a larger issue as Africans and Middle Easterners have a much more different culture than do Latin and Anglo America.
Largely agree with you. At the same time, I have noticed the rise of mestizo-ism in the USA since the 1990s. Latinos who have mainly white DNA identifying themselves as persons of color. Some of them have been pushing for a greater public role for the Spanish language.
@@fortpark-wd9sx There might be a few of them.. but they are a minority among us all. We understand that assimilating means learning English and conducting our day to day business in said language and culture. Believe me... the Latinos are not an issue long term.. we are a lot closer to Anglo Americans than you think.
UK is in no position to contest any country on this issue due to it's abominable gender politics that's given UK gender segregated society placing it into anti penultimate or penultimate spot thereof. A country at the cutting edge able to stay ahead of rivals on many fronts. This is an issue deleterious to social fabric of society responsible for a variety of defects starting with UK being a rampant gay culture. It is so porous brazenly embedded into your national DNA which goes a long way to explain your looming demographic crisis. That is just scratching the surface to see the rest of defects engendered by the reprobate gender politics. Disseminated across all walks of life and an institutional levels. A good example of this societal calamity which I am afraid is often unreported in the media. Would be female prisons filled with women who actually used to be men prior to gender reassignment surgery. Obviously no explanation needed there is an immense social cost attached to this sort policy that does nothing to remedy the damage. An internal issue a contentious one that needs dealing with to spare further national embarrassement.
even if we artifically create 1 million children for the UK today it will take 25 years for those children to grow up and hit the labour marketing the effects of demographic collapse is already hitting and will continue to get worse for the next 20 years... a short term demographic collapse in the next 20 years is unavoidable at this point... it was caused in the 1990s and 2000s...
No it wasn't. It was caused by the insecurity of the 70s which only got worse with destruction of secure work and deregulation of finance in the Thatcherite 80s Look at the demographic data once in a while 🙄
So an over populated world where we use sustainable resourses within the first 5 months of the year. It is unfortuate that our muslim brothers and sisters have mega large families and will take over as their religion predicts if this change is not prevented in the UK and EU
The world is not over populated. The idea of sustainable versus unsustainable resources is nonsense to begin with. Technology has consistently improved to generate greater resources over the last 200 years. This is only accelerating currently. The leftist-liberal media - which is basically all the media has a civilizational death-wish based on their own personal inadequacies so they constantly put out nonsense about over-population etc. None of it stands up to serious scrutiny.
22:16 More people = more jobs. The increase is not entirely spread across the wage brackets as lower skilled jobs will increase faster than higher skilled jobs. Native populations will target higher paid jobs, immigrants with lower education will predominately fill low skilled jobs. Natives with low skills are often better off on welfare than working.
Perhaps put your guest on a higher level seat, being further away he looks like a small suspect being interviewed by a couple of burly cops. Same thing happened when you had Carl Benjamin on.
"Everybody in 'America' (The US) expects that area that was once Mexico to basically return to it..." Um, What? Where is this guy getting his information from? This is the first time I've ever heard anyone propose such a preposterous notion. I mean, California (worlds 5th largest economy, and agricultural powerhouse), Nevada, Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas? Really? The US will give up this territory within 50-60 years to Mexico? All "Americans" (US citizens) expect this? What sources can be cited re studies/polls to support this claim? LOL - hilarious!
The population needs reducing, and not replaced by immigrants who are foreign to British culture, in order to have a cohesive society. We continue to hear that AI and automation will replace a lot of jobs, and 5-8 million people of working age are not working. Increase the minimum wage and get rid of unemployment benefits, so that it pays to work. Also need to drastically reform and regulate the housing market and reform further education to the benefit of UK born citizens, so that life is not just one massive financial burden. Then people may decide they can afford more kids. Also, a lot of the UK is uninhabitable, and we do share our country with wildlife and farmland. Who wants to live in a country that is overpopulated, with mass unemployment, mass immigration, unaffordable housing and further education, and a high cost of living where taxes are squandered on benefits necessary to pay for the aforementioned? It's basically where we are now.
Been doing all day Kierkegaard so the details will need a re watch, but i made a joke in the chat that "All this demographic theory is great but as an efficient chat up line it needs work". it a Bernard Williams point probably influenced by all day Kierkegaard as well. I guess a political policy version of standard Kant Categorical imperative, asks us to test our subjective personal maxims as to whether they can become a universal or general policy. Perhaps then my point would be ask if your political policy could become an interpersonal face to face maxim, speech act, etc: this i hope would expose the causal, non voluntary and anonymous aspect of policy as it ought to be clear at the register of proximate discursive exchange. eg treating people as means to an end, not end in themselves, as respecting peoples dignity, and as things in themselves. The reason i make this point is about trying out a metaphysical shape for closing the gap between politician's policy expressed in law and science and how ordinary people express stuff. Demographics seem to me to be a case where these two are most in metaphysical conflict: 19th century the universal v particular, the objective v the subjective, and so i add the public and the private and the inner and the outer. Just something maybe to explore I'll, give it a go. Early on Harrison Pitt made the point about the idea that liberalism can be viewed as a machine (my words) for bringing peoples subjective differences into homogeneity. A kind of process of consumption that will shape the direction of our second nature over time and they will coalesce. I recall i think, from a Yale lecture by Ian Shapiro, that this was Schumpeter's idea and maybe he thought also policy was like consumable goods and would coalesce. Certainly Marxists like Adorno and Marcuse in the US advanced arguments particularly against this. I saw a bit of a Jorden Peterson lecture on Abraham, and he made the point there in the context of "tidy your room" that consumables are not atomistic but stand in relations with each other: table and chair and so on. Indeed during my brief time as a salesman in late 80's early 90s in London what was coming in then was "you sell a life style", "a world" not a consumable. This rejection of atomism, and i agree with it, obviously means the metaphysics and ontology of people with their stuff is quite incongruent to an atomistic ontology and so the metaphor of them bring people together is wrong. I remember an episode of Banercheck when i was a kid where he discussed this with someone in his flat. His flat was like an anthropologists study or a museum he said there are the finest things of beauty to every culture everywhere in the world so i pick the best of all of them. In another movie George Peppered was a professor of Philosophy from Oxford turned World war two spy. In one scene in a pub someone is rude to his date, so he punches him. The girl says i though philosophers were meant to be Rational and Stoic he said I was playing around with existentialism at Oxford before the war. Anyway he got the girl. Don't know how to synthesise that with the demographic theory into an effective chat up line, and how to test it for objective metrication of target outcomes, surly the holy grail of the subjective/objective evidenced based policy we are all looking for: The determination of the GOLCI: the Global Objective Love Coefficient Index. Thank you Dr. Paul Morland, Harrison Pitt and Evan Riggs.
Liberalism still makes sense, even when ppl unfortunately don't have the ability to put it into practice somewhere. This is not a problem with Liberalism. Bruh.
Prof Morland is if anything better, more forthright 'live' than in his books. Perhaps the elephant in the room is that fertility rates The West enjoyed pre the 1960s are unrepeatable? That reversing the education and expectations of women - who after all have to have the children - is a necessary (if not sufficient) condition of reversing fertility's collapse. Areas of the globe where women's rights are lower priority than stains on shoes - eg sub Saharan Africa, set to be 40% of global population by 2100 - are breeding very nicely thank you. Limiting society's patience with anti-natal 'compassion' - to micro minority sexual persuasions, all the toleration/glorification of which enhance barren-ness - would logically help. And small wonder then that 'demography' is a not a subject for 'polite', liberal society! Perhaps too the trilemma offered by Prof Morland might be put to a referendum? Assuming the siege mentality of Israel which sparked fertility is Sui generic, we are left with 'turning Japanese' - slow, homogenous but graceful decline - or mass immigration - cultural suicide. Rather an important choice?
What crap. Take a look at Iran's birthrate and compare it to Iceland or France. It's not a coincidence the west went below replacement when neoliberal capitalism took over and insecure unstable work with high house prices became the norm
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When will someone in this debate look at what caused the massive drop in fertility rates in the mid 70s that we have never recovered from: The legalisation of abortion and the introduction of the pill in the late 60s.
These two things alone have nuked the population across the Western world. In the UK we have aborted 10 million babies in the last fifty years. Those extra ten million alone would have looked after our population deficit and we wouldn't even need migrant workers.
It's amazing to me that nobody can see this chain of causation. It is so obvious and has happened in literally every country on earth that legalised abortion and introduced the pill into their culture. Countries in which abortion is illegal have much higher birth-rates and much more responsible men and women. Countries in which the pill isn't widely used are also have higher birth-rates.
If you look into who actually invented and first legalised abortion - it was Lenin in Soviet Russia who wanted to use it as a form of population control. Unsurprising as the communist believed that they could control the entire society as if they were ants in a hive. Now we have women brain-washed into an almost unbelievable level of degeneracy in the UK - smoking, drinking, drugging and aborting their way through their early twenties, working in soulless corporate jobs until their mid thirties, then panicking in their 30s or becoming bitter in their 40s. It's bleak.
I am Australian of Irish, Scottish and English descent. I have had 6 kids in last 9 years, my brother has 4, and my sister 3. We have done our duty.
Well done!
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Are your 6 kids all with the same woman? I highly doubt it.
@@jamesb4729 yes...we are married. No sex occurred before marriage. Same with my siblings...all legitanate....so cynical...
@@jamesb4729 and my wife still works effectively full time, has multiple degrees, a Masters and is currently doing a Doctorate...just to smash your preconceptions further.
The grandchildren aspect of having kids is so unsung! It's been an utter revelation to me! We are a huge part of our grandchildren's lives, and they ours. It's more wondrous even than kids were! The fact that this isn't spoken about or that it's presented as a boring thing, is so weird! Grandparenting is totally sublime, superb, beauteous, fabulous, marvellous, a delight and a PRIVILAGE!
Problem is that the demographic that can. Have kids and not think of the consequences are the wrong type to be having kids
@@mark4lev Exactly. There is no upside to the Idiocracy squatting out more idiot brats.
Short term - ethnically conscious English will completely self segregate to autonomous regions. The economic decline will drive this event to occur this decade.
Who says your traitorous government will allow you to do that? Anywhere the English congregate, they will send millions of foreigners to flood you out.
I sincerely hope this is the case. We could populate small rural towns and inevitably take power in the councils and businesses once our numbers were great enough, like the Muslims do.
Pardon.
@@George-nv1ri There ye be. Start speaking with the farmers who have been impacted by these "Migrants" as well lads.
I'd be happy to have a family, I'm 32, I'm just broke as fuuuuuk.
I don't care about labour shortages. If we get back to a high trust society with strong laws, we can introduce automation to fill much of the gaps.
But, whilst that would be a great idea, you also need to be rid of the majority that take, take, take, & that do not assimilate to the cultural, religious, societal, lawful, & heritage-like norms that is a basic, & baked in necessity of the country.
We manage fine in Japan without immigration. Less young people go to university and do many of the jobs that Britain imports people to do. How many immigrants in the UK are needed to provide 24 hr food delivery services, mostly from restraunts populated by more immigrants?
There are plenty of immigrants in Japan, you just can’t see them as they are from other (poorer) Asian countries and they do the jobs the Japanese won’t do.
Convincing thirty-somethings Jemima and Henry to a have an extra child won't do much because their old classmates, Muhammed and Fatima, are already grandparents by the time little Oliver's started nursery. And by the time Oliver's butting heads with an anti-white interview panel for his first post-university job, Muhammed and Fatima's not so little Ahmed has already had his second kid.
That's somewhat outdated. Minority birth rates are actually plummeting the most because of hyper-urbanization and the massive push to get minority women into colleges and universities.
@@mrshonourable We do the work, pay the taxes and maintain our civilisation so the imported can inbreed in our social housing
@@mrshonourable well, immigration is genocide.
AND the way immigration changes the situation for the worse soon even uneducated refugees will stop coming here (to Europe).
Around 9m40s, with regard to UK Muslim fertility rates, in simple terms, people who follow this religion tend to be less well educated, misogynistic, and stubborn. This results in a slower integration, and slower adapting of the fertility rate.
Saw a stat this week that stated 78% of muslim women are staying at home types. Even those who are university educated as they see it as a path to a better marriage and frequently leave work much earlier. So they stay at home and claim every benefit available.
@@jumblestiltskin1365 bull, stay at home wives do not get benefits.
That, and many tend to be on the shit end of the bell curve.
@@jumblestiltskin1365 the UK white British unemployment rate for 2022 was 3%. For people from the Indian subcontinent it was 9% !
The majority of young adults in the UK cannot afford to form households.
Totally agree, myself and my siblings included.
😂😂😂Yet people poorer than you do it daily. You cannot bear the inconvenience more like.
@@WinstonSmithGPTthey do it daily out of ignorance.
They and their children will be poor, along with everything that that brings.
And probably heavily dependent on state benefits.
Not true - unless you are talking London. My son & his gf have just bought a £300k new build within an hour commute of London. They saved for a deposit, a bit of help from the developer & a contribution from parents - but NEITHER are on anything near average wage. They could have done it without parental help if they had gone for an older house. The media & political class just want you to believe it's impossible - they want to destroy family life.
@@WinstonSmithGPT I could never afford to give any children I might have fathered the childhood I had in the 1960s, and I grew up on a public housing estate in a New Town built to house displaced people from the East End of London after the Second World War.
UK should go the Japan route. If you lack labour, than use guest workers who work in UK for a few decades and then go back to their native countries.
I just don't understand his point about labour shortages, surely if you have a stable population then you will have an equilibrium of labour. Do we only need ever increasing labour because our population increases due to immigration? Seems like a viscious cycle
@@George-nv1riand automation will fix huge portions of this
“We do not have the hearts to turn people back and drown”. I can tell you even as a Christian, if an adult male illegal immigrant is warned beforehand that if they try to cross the border their boat will be sunk, the fault will be on them if they ignore the warning.
That's unnecessary. Passenger flights leave daily to all areas of the globe. Handcuff, bus to airport and immigration police accompanied free flight with a cup of tea and a couple of quid for their bus fare home.
@@DavidMartin-ym2te It was their fate that drove them to be damned. They chose to sail on the high seas, and to populate our cities and houses. And don't for one second either, think that these "migrants" were not incentivized to do so.
Think on that for a little while.
The big elephant in the room that nobody remotely addressed is the tectonic shift of the role of women in society. If we have bigger families we need women who are raised to see themselves in that rôle. Every other solution is wishful thinking.
Most women wants kids, but they cant afford them or they can find a suitable partner . Only about 7% of us don't want kids
@@janewest2845 I do not put the blame squarely on women. It is the way our society now is structured that prevents families from burgeoning and being stable. One thing I would say however is that women cannot find a suitable partner partially because, parents have not brought up boys to have an expectation of being a family man, but also because women have, in the last generation, made themselves so accessible to casual relations that men see no need to go farther than that. Women have always controlled what men are willing to do to get them. They do not know how to do that anymore because there mothers did not teach them.
You are waking up too late my friends. The migrant horse has bolted. Into UK. And they're showing you the middle finger.
Then we have to show them the door.
Not only have they replaced us but we financed it
@@robm8809If all white men stopped working until everything broke down, then no more immigrants would wanna come here and loads would go back home.
We won't do that of course because 99% have already given up and only worry about their own money. 🙈
I wish I at 25 could afford even one aspect of a family life, by traditional standards at least…
Depends where you live, & if you are looking to buy a house with a partner. It can be done, but the elites want to destroy families so people become more reliant on the state. It was also hard a generation ago, but we had a government promoting family life. I wish you well. Have belief in yourself.
You live in the wrong place. It's perfectly possible in northern England
@@stuwhite2337 I'm an hour north by train of the capital & it's still possible even here!
Live outside the major cities when starting your family. The properties in places on the train route between Glasgow and Edinburgh, for example, are far cheaper than their equivalent in those two big cities. It can be done.
@@Heidi123 so many young people are brainwashed into thinking that living in a big city is best because of access to bars, restaurants & nightlife. They need to wean themselves off this view - I had a great time in my youth in an East Midlands seaside town...
If we're going to point out that South Africa isn't the homeland of the Afrikaans, it might be more important that it certainly isn't the homeland of the Bantu.
It was the homeland of the Khoisan.
Afrikaaners had their ethnogenesis on the land of the Cape & they all have a minority of local African ethnic heritage.
They have been the argicultural & industrial shapers of the land itself & will be rooted & strong there when sadly multiple native European peoples have disappeared from their ancient sub continental homeland.
As far as I'm concerned, whoever build and shapes the land, adds amenities, farms and infrastructure, adds value.. Its their country. None of these so called first nations ever did that. They simply Sat on it and cried foul when someone else made something of it.
@@lr6477 Why does it matter whether they built farms or infrastructure? They lived on that land for thousands of years and had a sense of ownership over that land. So, if you forcibly expel a people from their land and take it by force, it makes you a conqueror, not an indigenous person.
Even if we grant that the Afrikaner identity emerged in South Africa, it doesn't justify the apartheid regime where they treated other races as second-class citizens. To be honest the Black Africans were very gracious and noble in the way they treated white South Africans after the fall of apartheid. If we look at other parts of the world like with the Pied Noir in Algeria things could have turned out very badly for them.
Perhaps it might have been better if SA and Rhodesia were more like SEA colonies. European Whites were the 1% who knew their time was up and prepared for a post-colonial future. The Anglosphere countries would had to take them in.
Instead SA-Rhodesian whites ended up in a neither-here-nor-there situation. 😐😐
I struggled to get a decent paying job in the UK - in fact, any job. Couple that with a lack of family support and a feeling of political and social marginalisation and the need to move abroad was prescient for my own mental health. Been in Japan nigh on ten years, got employment, moved on up and by mid 30s was able to start a family. My feeling was had I remained in the UK, I might not have been afforded the same and then I’d be living a much lower quality of life than my parents achieved and I experienced growing up. I wouldn’t say Japan is a place I would recommend to others given it is a highly complex society in terms of social integration and language acquisition, not to mention slim job opportunities, but it was ironically easier for me to move forward than in my own home country who perceives me to be part of a contemptible demographic by the establishment (white male).
Funny right? You had trouble finding a job and still they wanna bring in more immigrants...to work.
Guys we can keep complaining about this.. but unless someone pony’s up… it’s all hot air… talk is cheap
High berth rate among foreigners is changing the racial profile of Britain.
Having large families leads to overpopulation. Where are we supposed to live and how do we feed ourselves. Our global resources are limited. How many sardines can you force into a tin before the whole tin is damaged?
We dont need post war immigration. The Windrush generation should have been on short term work contracts and once rebuilding had been completed they return home.
Perhaps they should have been offered zero hour contracts.
It was Idi Amin's expulsions of his Pakistani surpluses to our wool mills that began our cultural rot by an unappealing and incongruous demographic transplant.Akin to how our lands once housed beautiful and gentle red-squirrels up until the more... resources plundering greys arrival from America,which were introduced carrying inherent diseases (substitute for stone age religious/cultural practices)... that duly wiped out millions of indigenous reds to the degree they only are now only found in isolated places like the Isle of Wight with it's Solent sea barrier against grey contamination.Starting to see more examples of their human equivalents manifesting here increasingly.The (pen is) mightier than the sword in the sexual genocide of things.
WE ARE NOT IN A STATE OF OVER POPULATION. PLEASE LOOK INTO THIS UNINFORMED NONSENSE. WE HAVE MORE RESOURCES BY FAR THAN AT ANY POINT IN HUMAN HISTORY.
@@earlgrey691he expelled Indians not Pakistanis
Good point about the Windrush immigrants and their descendants.
The Windrush inflow is one example why allowing big business being influential in politics can become a big problem.
Back then the priority was to have workers in the 20-35 age range being allowed to remain in UK as long as possible.
Little thought was given on residency status.
Practically no thought was given on the impact of decolonization.
The Windrushers and their children should simply be Jamaican residents/citizens living in UK.
Any granting of long-term residency rights within the UK should be done on a case-by-case basis with strict criteria.
I'm a boomer. My four children were born between 1979 and 1991. It was already then hard going. I had to work night shift in a nursing home because my husband was the main breadwinner. I would have much rather stayed home and raised the children instead of being an exhausted Mum. I understand the despair. Why should people have children? There is a sense of despair for the future. This is simply because we have traitors as leaders in the West who have flooded us with scum.
There are hundreds of areas in the US where Spanish is the main and only language they speak.
Yes I think you are right here. Assimilation is very low among some groups in certain areas and regions.
@@praywithoutceasing4939rubbish
The Spanish are Christian. They are very, very culturally similar to Americans. I would argue on the whole they hold much more traditional American values than most modern liberal Americans.
@@JoBlakeLisbonThey do. Assimilation from Latin America is far easier than the Middle East and other parts of Asia/Africa. That’s the reality.
English children in English schools to be a minority within 12 years, the English Nation rendered a minority in their homeland in a mere few decades & Britons in the Isles a few short years after that.
We built a world spanning Empire with boys & girls that learned latin in their youth & left school for apprentice work at 12 or even younger.
Now we spend billions on "free" or highly subsidised priority food & board & healthcare for tens of thousands of ethnic hostiles of foreign extraction & barely useful compulsory education up to the age of 18.
This can be fixed & both security & prosperity regained quite quickly with a will to restore native ethnic security & proud ethic of hard work in learning & productivity & an ethos of virtue & ethnic pride.
It can & MUST be fixed.
An EXCELLENT comment!
Another great and erudite discussion curated perfectly as always by Harrison and Evan.
There are no solutions inside the Liberal paradigm.
Precisely on point lad.
Looking back over my life there's no doubt at all that I regret not having had more children. I thought having just one to replace myself was the right thing to do. It wasn't
People seem so happy to standby and do nothing
Because they think others will do it for them, yes there's plenty out there who think that way and don't forget the brainwashed
3 men sitting around talking about the need for women to have kids. Men who dont birth, raise (really raise), children. Women are happiest single and wihtout children, but of ourse our happinesss is owned by the state.
Don't our play demographics. A well organised minority always rules over a disorganised majority.
Around 22m20s, when Dr Morland is discussing the Japanese model, he does not take into account the rapid change to the labour market, resulting from AI, automation, and robotics.
These three are going to reduce employment and increase productivity, dramatically.
With the effect that more people will be able to be carers, nurses, etc and be paid a reasonable salary.
Ethnic and cultural make up is destiny not numbers, Europe survived the Black Death with a third of it's previous population but soon recovered stronger because the gene pool hadn't changed.
What an incredibly interesting and articulate guy ... really knows his stuff too. Fascinating discussion and much to fear.
In my conclusion, the last thing that we need to worry about, is less people being born.
Our population needs to be at around 30 million for all round quality of life.This is what industrialism has delivered.Utter dystopia.
Your conclusion is stupid. The entire Western world has been at less than replacement rates for fifty years. Extrapolate this for another 150 years and Europe no longer exists.
Just make sure the Idiocracy shits out less idiots to keep balance.
You dont need the entire population with high fertility rate. You just need to pay a select small portion of the population to have a obscenely high demographic growth.
This was a very interesting and important episode
Does this guy not realise that as the population grows more workers are needed to service the economy, more food production, more delivery men, more health workers, more builders to build extra infrastructure the list goes on and on.
Evan asks great questions, better than Pitt at any rate. He just seems to interject at the right point and pull the conversation and the speaker onto clarifying amd expanding points they make.
A really interesting discussion, with some positive advice at the end for potential parents.
Thank you!
Have not had children. This was not an accident. Did not wish to subject any child of mine to what I believe will happen in the future. The older I get the more sure I am that it was the right decision. You have to wonder what goes in the heads of people in abject poverty that seem to have kids like shelling peas.
Liberal Britain. Theres the problem right there.
One of the best messages from the Better Way Conference in Bath, in June 2023 was an audience member who made it clear when she said "Have babies! Get your daughters and sons to put that as their priority! Teach them that the DEFINITION of success is reproduction. We must re-educate all the young to get this clear." Who was that woman???
As a latino in the US, I can tell you that latinos assimilate rather quickly to the main American culture within 2 or 3 generations. In the mean time the immigrants and first generation are not too far out from the American culture as they themselves come from a Spanish/Portuguese base culture. I believe Europe has a larger issue as Africans and Middle Easterners have a much more different culture than do Latin and Anglo America.
Largely agree with you.
At the same time, I have noticed the rise of mestizo-ism in the USA since the 1990s. Latinos who have mainly white DNA identifying themselves as persons of color. Some of them have been pushing for a greater public role for the Spanish language.
@@fortpark-wd9sx There might be a few of them.. but they are a minority among us all. We understand that assimilating means learning English and conducting our day to day business in said language and culture. Believe me... the Latinos are not an issue long term.. we are a lot closer to Anglo Americans than you think.
UK is in no position to contest any country on this issue due to it's abominable gender politics that's given UK gender segregated society placing it into anti penultimate or penultimate spot thereof. A country at the cutting edge able to stay ahead of rivals on many fronts. This is an issue deleterious to social fabric of society responsible for a variety of defects starting with UK being a rampant gay culture. It is so porous brazenly embedded into your national DNA which goes a long way to explain your looming demographic crisis. That is just scratching the surface to see the rest of defects engendered by the reprobate gender politics. Disseminated across all walks of life and an institutional levels. A good example of this societal calamity which I am afraid is often unreported in the media. Would be female prisons filled with women who actually used to be men prior to gender reassignment surgery. Obviously no explanation needed there is an immense social cost attached to this sort policy that does nothing to remedy the damage. An internal issue a contentious one that needs dealing with to spare further national embarrassement.
Each nursery place is costing me £1000/month…
I think it plausible that the Japanese approach will prove to be correct, especially if AI takes up more and more of the labour market.
Procreate or perish? Only one of those two is compulsory: perish. The other is optional.
Just according to the UN's 1999 migration 270 page document
Japan has no labor shortage. In G-d I trust.
even if we artifically create 1 million children for the UK today
it will take 25 years for those children to grow up and hit the labour marketing
the effects of demographic collapse is already hitting and will continue to get worse for the next 20 years...
a short term demographic collapse in the next 20 years is unavoidable at this point...
it was caused in the 1990s and 2000s...
No it wasn't. It was caused by the insecurity of the 70s which only got worse with destruction of secure work and deregulation of finance in the Thatcherite 80s
Look at the demographic data once in a while 🙄
So an over populated world where we use sustainable resourses within the first 5 months of the year. It is unfortuate that our muslim brothers and sisters have mega large families and will take over as their religion predicts if this change is not prevented in the UK and EU
The world is not over populated. The idea of sustainable versus unsustainable resources is nonsense to begin with. Technology has consistently improved to generate greater resources over the last 200 years. This is only accelerating currently. The leftist-liberal media - which is basically all the media has a civilizational death-wish based on their own personal inadequacies so they constantly put out nonsense about over-population etc. None of it stands up to serious scrutiny.
22:16 More people = more jobs. The increase is not entirely spread across the wage brackets as lower skilled jobs will increase faster than higher skilled jobs. Native populations will target higher paid jobs, immigrants with lower education will predominately fill low skilled jobs. Natives with low skills are often better off on welfare than working.
Instead of families moving to service industry, why not force industry to move to service families?
I love U Lord!
Perhaps put your guest on a higher level seat, being further away he looks like a small suspect being interviewed by a couple of burly cops. Same thing happened when you had Carl Benjamin on.
The future of the world will be Africa and I cannot wait to fly back to my nation in East Africa and mine for gold 🥇 this summer
I hate to say it but the seething resentment is already here, we don't need to wait till we are in the minority.
Quote your historical documents for American ethnic policies of the 19thC please.
You can have mass migration OR
a cohesive nation of people with a social welfare system.
"Everybody in 'America' (The US) expects that area that was once Mexico to basically return to it..."
Um, What?
Where is this guy getting his information from? This is the first time I've ever heard anyone propose such a preposterous notion. I mean, California (worlds 5th largest economy, and agricultural powerhouse), Nevada, Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas? Really? The US will give up this territory within 50-60 years to Mexico? All "Americans" (US citizens) expect this? What sources can be cited re studies/polls to support this claim?
LOL - hilarious!
The population needs reducing, and not replaced by immigrants who are foreign to British culture, in order to have a cohesive society. We continue to hear that AI and automation will replace a lot of jobs, and 5-8 million people of working age are not working. Increase the minimum wage and get rid of unemployment benefits, so that it pays to work. Also need to drastically reform and regulate the housing market and reform further education to the benefit of UK born citizens, so that life is not just one massive financial burden. Then people may decide they can afford more kids. Also, a lot of the UK is uninhabitable, and we do share our country with wildlife and farmland. Who wants to live in a country that is overpopulated, with mass unemployment, mass immigration, unaffordable housing and further education, and a high cost of living where taxes are squandered on benefits necessary to pay for the aforementioned? It's basically where we are now.
The answer is simple - allow more houses to be built. Release the land and let people actually build on it.
Been doing all day Kierkegaard so the details will need a re watch, but i made a joke in the chat that "All this demographic theory is great but as an efficient chat up line it needs work". it a Bernard Williams point probably influenced by all day Kierkegaard as well.
I guess a political policy version of standard Kant Categorical imperative, asks us to test our subjective personal maxims as to whether they can become a universal or general policy. Perhaps then my point would be ask if your political policy could become an interpersonal face to face maxim, speech act, etc: this i hope would expose the causal, non voluntary and anonymous aspect of policy as it ought to be clear at the register of proximate discursive exchange. eg treating people as means to an end, not end in themselves, as respecting peoples dignity, and as things in themselves. The reason i make this point is about trying out a metaphysical shape for closing the gap between politician's policy expressed in law and science and how ordinary people express stuff. Demographics seem to me to be a case where these two are most in metaphysical conflict: 19th century the universal v particular, the objective v the subjective, and so i add the public and the private and the inner and the outer. Just something maybe to explore I'll, give it a go.
Early on Harrison Pitt made the point about the idea that liberalism can be viewed as a machine (my words) for bringing peoples subjective differences into homogeneity. A kind of process of consumption that will shape the direction of our second nature over time and they will coalesce. I recall i think, from a Yale lecture by Ian Shapiro, that this was Schumpeter's idea and maybe he thought also policy was like consumable goods and would coalesce. Certainly Marxists like Adorno and Marcuse in the US advanced arguments particularly against this. I saw a bit of a Jorden Peterson lecture on Abraham, and he made the point there in the context of "tidy your room" that consumables are not atomistic but stand in relations with each other: table and chair and so on. Indeed during my brief time as a salesman in late 80's early 90s in London what was coming in then was "you sell a life style", "a world" not a consumable. This rejection of atomism, and i agree with it, obviously means the metaphysics and ontology of people with their stuff is quite incongruent to an atomistic ontology and so the metaphor of them bring people together is wrong. I remember an episode of Banercheck when i was a kid where he discussed this with someone in his flat. His flat was like an anthropologists study or a museum he said there are the finest things of beauty to every culture everywhere in the world so i pick the best of all of them. In another movie George Peppered was a professor of Philosophy from Oxford turned World war two spy. In one scene in a pub someone is rude to his date, so he punches him. The girl says i though philosophers were meant to be Rational and Stoic he said I was playing around with existentialism at Oxford before the war. Anyway he got the girl. Don't know how to synthesise that with the demographic theory into an effective chat up line, and how to test it for objective metrication of target outcomes, surly the holy grail of the subjective/objective evidenced based policy we are all looking for: The determination of the GOLCI: the Global Objective Love Coefficient Index.
Thank you Dr. Paul Morland, Harrison Pitt and Evan Riggs.
Can we talk about the Catholic takeover of English conservatism and the potential threat it poses? 😛
Not my problem.
Liberalism still makes sense, even when ppl unfortunately don't have the ability to put it into practice somewhere. This is not a problem with Liberalism. Bruh.
It absolutely is. Liberalism has been decomposing the cultural west since the french revolution.
we're now so equal gender is optional.
Prof Morland is if anything better, more forthright 'live' than in his books. Perhaps the elephant in the room is that fertility rates The West enjoyed pre the 1960s are unrepeatable? That reversing the education and expectations of women - who after all have to have the children - is a necessary (if not sufficient) condition of reversing fertility's collapse. Areas of the globe where women's rights are lower priority than stains on shoes - eg sub Saharan Africa, set to be 40% of global population by 2100 - are breeding very nicely thank you. Limiting society's patience with anti-natal 'compassion' - to micro minority sexual persuasions, all the toleration/glorification of which enhance barren-ness - would logically help. And small wonder then that 'demography' is a not a subject for 'polite', liberal society! Perhaps too the trilemma offered by Prof Morland might be put to a referendum? Assuming the siege mentality of Israel which sparked fertility is Sui generic, we are left with 'turning Japanese' - slow, homogenous but graceful decline - or mass immigration - cultural suicide. Rather an important choice?
What crap.
Take a look at Iran's birthrate and compare it to Iceland or France.
It's not a coincidence the west went below replacement when neoliberal capitalism took over and insecure unstable work with high house prices became the norm
They have a very nice table to sit around. Who arranges the books before they start pontificating? Don't they have kindles?
i am pro bean pumped out for a jez
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We need protection of all humans life from moment of conception.
Well, there are many ways your children are going to suffer if you procreate, how will they suffer if you/them perish?
I'll take the Japanese option.
Yeah me too, but I'm Swedish and it's game over here.
I think he's being very polite about certain issues and not very truthful