KOREA DECLARES DEMOGRAPHIC DECLINE NATIONAL EMERGENCY
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- Опубликовано: 17 авг 2024
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Welcome to Issues and Insiders for this Thursday July 11th.
I'm Min Sunhee.
South Korea may not be unique in its witnessing of falling birth rates but as pundits assert it stands alone with regard to the severity of the situation.
For more I have Doctor Willem Adema at the OECD Social Policy Department.
Doctor Adema it's a pleasure.
I also have Professor Choi Hyunsun at Myongji University with us.
Professor Choi it's great to have you on.
1) Doctor Adema, speaking within your capacity as a researcher looking into the situation here in Korea from the outside, how severe is the country's demographic decline?
2) Professor Choi, on a slightly promising note, findings for April showed a 2-point-8 percent on-year rise in the number of newborns.
How do you respond?
3) Doctor Adema, the Korean government, for its part, is looking to set up a new ministry assigned with the task of tackling low births amid an ageing society.
How do you assess these efforts?
4) Professor Choi, broadly speaking, the government has spoken of placing priority on three factors: work-life balance, education and childcare assistance, as well as housing and family planning support.
What factor do you suppose is of utmost importance?
5-1) Doctor Adema, earlier this year France alarmed by the lowest birth rate in some 30 years in 2023 at 1-point-6-8 announced a major reform to its parental leave system.
Having said this generally speaking does greater parental leave support encourage couples to have children?
5-2) Doctor Adema, with regard to ensuring work-life balance, what structural changes need to be made within the labor market?
6) Professor Choi, aside from seeking work-life balance, the government here plans to offer childcare and academic assistance as well as housing and family planning support.
How feasible is this plan, and what are some of the potential hurdles?
7) Doctor Adema, financial aid for families has also been pledged by the government.
What can be done to ensure that financial aid translates to policy successes?
8) Professor Choi, some pundits claim there need to be shifts in social perception as well in light of the stigma against single parents and discrimination against non-traditional partnerships.
What do you say?
9) Doctor Adema, Korea's goal is to raise the fertility rate to 1 by the year 2030.
What more do you propose to better approach this ambitious objective?
10) And Professor Choi, what are your words of advice?
All right.
Well that ends Thursday's edition of Issues and Insiders.
Thank you for watching.
See you same time on Friday.
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2024-07-11, 14:30 (KST)
Wolves are panicking because sheeps won’t breed 😂
Samsung is panicked for sure 😂😂
@@nah131they’ll just hire out of country
Koreans don’t seem that panicked… they are actually putting up “No Kids Allowed” signs on their cafes and public spaces. 🤡
@@dhfvrfhjcfbbrfb Have you seen the criminal justice system who would want to have kids in a country where criminals make the rules
@@dhfvrfhjcfbbrfb
Fantastic!
Chaebol losing their slaves
💯💯💯
Nothing is emergency enough for the government other than losing money
So true. And I heard a person can't have dual citizenship. Is it true? If yes, then S.K need to improve their laws. Many S.K's are leaving and attaining cutizenship else where.
Technically the emergency was decades ago and the government ignored it. South Korea's pretty screwed already with far too few young people they are going to have very tough times in the not so distant future with too many retired. Making things even more difficult for everyone.
@@Anderson33333yes. People think this only affect the government, but it affects citizens too.
@@genzi78514 What affects citizens more than forcing them to have kids and why bring a Child to the world in this sh*tole country? No more problems, no more fights about herence agaisnt your brothers, No more cannon fodder in wars, no more mandatory conscription vs North Korea in your 20's
@@genzi78514how ?
As a native Korean, I just can hear only one song “They don’t care about us”
I hear you.
You're not alone. All word oligarchs are not listening
70% of voters are over 40 years old As a 70 year old politician You will provide policies that benefit older people.Such as increasing taxes for young people to give as pension money and improving health for older people.
@@carkawalakhatulistiwayes this is happening in many countries. Older voters who own homes prevent new home construction limiting supply raising their own home equity. Retirees vote against and limit public transit since they don’t commute to work. Empty nesters with adult children vote against school bonds. Everyone votes for their interests and with more older voters the electorate will vote for the present at the expense of the future.
Expecting other people to care about you is expecting too much. Nobody cared about them when they were your age.
You're expected to care for yourself and carry on your responsibility to the tree of life for your family just as they did making your life possible
Give people good conditions to have children. So they can sustain family. That is problem all around world. High cost of life and people can barely sustain themselves and sustain family is even harder.
Pay parents raising kids like a job and have the Government pay them a living wage for it. Bonuses for good grades and healthy happy kids. They are doing the country the service of having workers in the future. If you bork at the cost, think about the fact that these kids will be your future road crews, doctors and engineers making your world feasible and safe.
You think South Koreans have easier lives today or 50 years ago? The main reason of declining birthrate is not high cost of life...
@@ryanm9371 Ok so perhaps tell us the reason they're not having kids??
@0ctar0n No, parents need to learn to raise their own kids. Quit advocating for robbing your neighbors.
I would disagree. Higher income households statistically have only 1 or 0 children. The reality is that children compete for an adult's resources of time and money which adults these days would rather spend on themselves.
As a south korean, the above mentioned counter measures will not lead me to change my mind about being childfree by choice.
Exactly. They are asking people to abruptly change their lives and start making babies. I guess they expect women to meet a guy, get married the next weekend and have a kid within a year. It doesn't work that way.
This is so weird.
They think we are animals or their personal slaves.
Be child free and live good life
You are a slave. There is no thinking to it.
@@hatebreeder999 when the social services start breaking down in 20-25 years when you’re old, then don’t complain to the government. At the end of day, society needs young people to continue functioning, if that number keeps dropping every year, then the government will have to cut down on social services and benefits. That’s the reality
Much love and respect from a childfree Italian woman ❤❤❤
This is happening around the globe.
More people are choosing to go 'child free', many out of necessity, while corporate politicians feign ignorance to real reasons why.
Why are you asking male "experts"? Ask Korean women ffs.
Male experts, government officials and everyday misogynistic aholes are the reasons why this is happening, but let's ask THEM how to solve it! Brilliant, ain't it? 😂
Right! They know why they aren’t birthing anymore. Men think they know everything and don’t listen to women, that’s why they aren’t asking. They are the reason women aren’t birthing globally
and that's why Thr births are declining. They refuse to take care of the women that bring children into this world.
Yes but you also need to ask Korean men too. This is not just an issue of women not wanting to. It is both.
@@alecsinger3364 awesome than. If both women and men agree that having kids is a mistake, I do not see any problem. The only ones who think this is a problem is rich capitalists.
The general atmosphere in Korea is just a competitive factory. It is too depressing to do anything except to survive and superficially show off to the society.
The world's first AI robot suicide has been recorded. I was in South Korea.
Its a fake society. Japan as well. Too stoic.
Thanks to American Capitalism, just like Japan and every other nation that adopted its socio-economic standards.
You reap what you sow.
@@AvelierPlaysIt isn't capitalism. It's crony capitalism and corporatism. Just like you will never have socialism. It quickly becomes crony socialism and communism.
@@ickster23it’s capitalism only America is also going through same problems
From what I can see, the money the government has spent over the years, which inevitably has all come from taxpayers, more or less only benefits the upper or middle class, who are capable of having babies regardless of any policy changes. The extra supports they are entitled to even made the wealth gap wider.
70% of voters are over 40 years old As a 70 year old politician You will provide policies that benefit older people.Such as increasing taxes for young people to give as pension money and improving health for older people.
THIS.
Also artificially inflated housing prices as their voters' wealth is in housing, also inflated stock portfolios at the expense of the real economy.
Sounds like a ponzi scheme. What a selfish generation.
Why do countries keep calling out women when population declines as if men in developed countries aren't opting out of fatherhood and marriage due to the financial strain both circumstances place on men.
👍
Blaming the victims is something that governments and reporters love to do.
It's not calling out the women, it's just that registered births by women is the best way to count for the census.
As a man, I say that this is a lie. The MGTOW group/people are only a minority that is on the internet.
Male leadership and men is what created the mess we’re in and why women don’t want kids.
Housing is astronomical, the price of vehicles is crazy, gas is is going up, groceries are expensive, women bear all of the house keeping burdens and child/family care burdens in a marriage while men just go to work and go home to relax. Society the world over = "It's women's fault."
Even S.K's prime minister blamed women recently 😂😂😂😂😂
4B for the WIN❤
True but its not mens fault too. Its fault of governments catering to greedy corporations (which have lots of greedy women too) stop blaming one gender. Its totally fault of crony capitalists
@@hatebreeder999 women are choosing to be single and are divorcing men a lot of times due to having to contribute to the household bills, clean the house, cook the meals and take care of the children all by themselves. Men go to work and go home and say they can't contribute to any housework or child rearing because they worked too hard or consider it women's work. That is the fault of men. You literally have men begging for women to be with them online because they don't want to clean up after themselves, cook, or do their own laundry.
@@hatebreeder999 Even if there are a few women in the government that doesn't take away from the fact that South Korea has a ferocious patriarchy that is greatly detrimental to wives and mothers. Even justice for women is disgusting, because of the patriarchy. The expectations on wives and mothers. When the replacement rate of 2.1 is the probability of having a DAUGHTER but they don't EVER mention that part. Societies can survive with very few men but no society will ever survive with very few women. Cos when women check out and have no use for or don't feel safety in replicating in a society that doesn't care about them, societies crash and burn. At the moment, the mainstream media is pushing this because capitalism can't survive without women. But if you polled women around the world for a system that is better suited to them, it would be to demolish capitalism and embrace a more communist system instead. Capitalism is a extension of the patriarchy as it is a perfect vessel to ensure masculine traits are rewarded. It rewards, competitiveness, violence, control, amassing or destroying weaker people to get resources and wealth, surpression of mental health, lack of care or empathy for the disabled, vulnerable in society or nature all in the pursuit of status, power and wealth in the hands of a few (mostly men) who don't need all that wealth but will never share it. As a result, women, children, the disabled, the mentally ill, the vulnerable, nature, animals all suffer when societies mirror masculine traits and undervalues feminine values and traits of nurturing, community, empathy etc. Feminine traits have been relagated to certain professions like nursing, teaching, carers, social workers. But these industries still suffer greatly under patriarchy as they are the most undervalued and underpaid. Because feminine traits are never rewarded under patriarchy. Many are driven away from these crucial roles because they can't feed themselves in a consistently brutal, unforgiving capitalistic system that is squeezing the powerless bottom majority
They have a lot of cultural hurdles to overcome - excessive work hours, disdain for single mothers, overly competitive and expensive education system, and disdain for public support of all the above.
nothing wrong with not wanting to date someone with kids already. it is hard, and dating is already hard why make it harder
@@Langeta-kunThe only thing you pulled from the comment was dating single mothers? 😂😂😂
Beggars can't be choosers. @Langeta-kun
Single moms mostly produce criminals and isnt something worth subsidizing.
@@Langeta-kun"disdain for single mothers" doesn't just mean by potential suitors. Lord. 🤦♀️
They are panicking because of depleting supply on corporate slaves😢
There r too many cons in it for women to expect women to do it willingly. Too many sacrifices women arent willing to make for a society that is so hostile to they and their children's well being
What cons
@@Joshua-eo5hr everything about marriage and motherhood disadvantages women
@@copperredd name one
@@Joshua-eo5hr I'll list just a few... unpaid labour, damage to the body, mental and physical fatigue, stress from being sole caregiver to kids, household and other family members, emotional fatigue and abandonment, not time or opportunity to take care of herself, financial entrapment, if man is toxic, DV is also a possible concern....
@@copperredd most of the things you listed a man also gets while getting married to a woman and having kids all except damage to the body from pregnancy.
It's not just work life balance, housing costs and wages. As a woman, I don't want to get married and have children if it means fulfilling traditional gender roles whether or not I'm working full time. I'm not going to wait on my husband, his parents, my parents, possibly some grandparents, the children, and do all the house work while giving up my career and any independence. I'm not going to be totally reliant on someone who thinks I'm a burden while I'm exhausting myself taking care of the whole family. And then I'm not going to have children that will necessarily be subjected to competitive studying culture throughout their miserable childhood until they enter their miserable adulthood.
The culture needs to change. We need to make it so men and women are equal partners, so both can pursue financial independence, so people have realistic hope that their children will have happy futures
Doing that only leads to a further decline in birth rates. The countries with the highest birth rates all have traditional gender roles
@@InquisitionFren In Novgorod oblast, the maternity certificates (it isn't given in cash, but could be used to pay for the housing), which in Novgorod oblast was equivalent to 6700 US$ when they were payed starting from second child and then on for every children, rose up birth rate for the first time since the dissolution of the SU. This situation took place until maternity certificate started to be paid even for the first child and the equivalent in money which certificate vould provide was shifted towards the first kid and for the rest of children it became only ⅓ of what it is for the first child.
And rise in birth rates was achieved without traditional gender roles. At least it is true for the most of former RSFSR's regions.
@@studijasymrov7630 Russia’s birthrate is still far below replacement, and it’s also below the American birthrate. Throwing money at people doesn’t work, you have to get women out of the workforce
These men blame women for all thier problems, don’t help at alll with the kids once they get there, women still work regularly jobs and then get home to do thier other full time job but get no pay or benefits other than being stuck to some abusive partner plus no one can afford it, good luck getting women to choose thier own slavery
Making women and men 'equal' doesn't work. The Nordic countries tried, and it led to increased differences, and their birth rate is still falling.
I'm not sure what can be done, it may be time to focus on how to manage a geriatric society.
as a childfree latin woman in the US i stand in solidarity with the women of SK Women. i dont know the kind of life and culture they may have experienced to come to this conclusion I only know of mine
As a childfree man from India I totally support and stand in solidarity with women of SK and all over world. We all are victims of crony capitalism
We've been past Capitalism for a while. We're in early state Socialism now.
@@hatebreeder999 but you’re the same people that will be wondering why they’re few doctors and nurses to fix your broken hip when you’re 70 years old
Yeah but no sane man like a ratchet latina woman
@@user-zu5do6ri6r Yeah, not true. We are in end-stage capitalism where only a small number of corporations own the vast majority of all goods, services and utilities. Ten corporations own over 80% of our food in the United States and the rest of the world. Corporations count as people in the United States and by all of the politicians.This is far from Socialism.
It's the same problem all over the world. The average people in their 20s don't earn enough money to afford kids. Often they don't even have enough money to get a place on their own. And if they live with their parents, they don't have enough private space to raise a family. Urbanisation makes it even worse, as place to live are less affordable, as many more are in competition for the same space.
Families with one child need to have access to lodging not too far from the heart of the city, with enough room to raise many children, at a price they can afford. Quite the unicorn, no one has find the way to make it happen.
Well said
I agree with the SK women not wanting to get married and have children. Their conditions are terrible. Also, raising children to give them a nightmare childhood with studying so many hours a day is so cruel. That must be so difficult to the parents.
Really now their conditions are terrible look at Nigeria not the worst place but they're not the best either and they have more children smh.
@@Joshua-eo5hrWhat's the contraception situation over there? Is it easily accessible and affordable for most people?
@@OriginalContent89 contraception is cheap everywhere people just want more kids it's a mindset
@Joshua-eo5hr you want your wife and kids to live barefoot in a dirt-floor shack?
@@OriginalContent89Nigeria is an agarian third world country which is why they can keep oppressing their women and force them to have kids they don't want, while SK is a capitalist country with high ambitions, so it's in it's best interest to prioritize women's grievances in solving this issue, and I would even say that half the solution is there.
Good work Korean friends... I hope all the world will follow your example.
Toxic culture
Gee I wonder if the toxic work culture, low pay, income inequality, patriarchal society, and high cost of living and raising a child has anything to do with the low birth rate? Honestly, I'm surprised it is as high as 0.654 with all those challenges.
Bingo 🎯!
Good on them to be honest. When having children becomes severe setback in your career and society something needs to change. I’m a single parent in Australia and I am absolutely struggling no two ways about it. Love my kids to death but do I wish having children wasn’t punished by society currently?? Absofuckinlutely.
You punished your self because you didn't choose the right father for your kid and know you are alone.
@@lunator100hd Rude. How do you know this person isn’t a widow?
@@richerDiLefto I didn't got that vibe.
I’m a single father.
Love how you immediately started victim blaming someone you immediately assumed must be a woman and therefore at fault. Maybe expand your horizons a bit.
The Korean government does not understand the problem. Work-life balance, childcare assistance and family planning support have been tried many times elsewhere and never worked. Those are only band-aids for the symptoms of the problem, not solutions for the underlying social illness.
I don't think any government is capable of understanding the problem, because governments can only think about the economy and work. It is not a "labour market problem". It is survival of your culture. Economics is not the right way to look at the problem. Korea must change its society so that people want to have children above all other things. That sounds weird, right? But it is true.
Europe's fertility is as bad were it not for the millions of immigrants. European people are also having no kids. My two colleagues are 36 and 39 and they both want to stay childless. It's an increasing trend. Of my colleagues currently in their 30s, only 20% have children.
@gregvanpaassen nice try pseudo intellect. You didn't describe what the problem was or what the actual solution was.
Just a waste of paragraph.
@@DS91284 Nor did you, I note. It's pretty obvious if you think for thirty seconds. In case that's beyond you:-
The actual problem is raising the prestige of child-raising above all other occupations, like doctor, lawyer, architect, government official.
If that is done all the problems that were talked about in this video will be fixed more or less automatically. And many more besides, like ensuring that every workplace has a creche and a playroom, there are parks and playgrounds on every street, men will want to be involved in bringing up children, and on and on.
I freely admit I don't know how to do that, but I'm pretty sure that any solution starts with understanding the problem.
@@NoctLightCloud Agreed. Immigration is just a way of providing a cheap labour force to capitalists, and it makes the problem worse in the long run.
But if they're truly only interested in increasing the population, there are plenty of foreign nationals from overly populated countries who'd be more than glad to move to South Korea to raise their families. Unless it matters what the ethnic demographics are, it shouldn't be a problem to have the next generation inter marry with the native Korean citizens and populate with mixed ethnic children. But I think that's something they're not interested in doing, just yet.
Manufacture kids at the hospital. Let the government raise them.
Aldous Huxley would have something to say about that.
@@egblund Brave new world FTW!
Government is already raising the children and they own them
South Korea is one of the most developed country yet one of the depressed country, most developing nations in Africa are happier than South Korean 😢
because it is brainwashing religion there. Hey we have almost nothing to eat, have war, poverty, diseases but lets be all happy because god is on our side. More educated people are usally more depressed/stressed than lower ones.
I would take those stats with a grain of salt. Who are they asking?
@@sianaisBotswana is happier than South Korea
😂😂😂 it's kinda funny
Because botswana is not that poor@@eleanorrose6122
Population collapse then real estate collapses then young people can afford a home to raise children then population increases.
Interesting, didn't think about it like that lol. Guess there's a cycle to everything.
@@Mimicry161 There used to be, but now due to old people having way more economic and voting power due to size, young people will never get a chance to recover.
Wont happen. Real estate needs maintenance, old buildings will be unused, if they cant be rented out for high rent.
@@Listen2Concentr8Leaders appear to always find some reason for blaming the mistakes of their policies on the outgoing population. The religious institutions encouraged us all to have large families and those who didn't were shamed for being childless. Contraception was not allowed and now they decide all the financial woes were caused by the general population who were not the ones setting the tone of the culture and economy. Remember when we were all shamed for existing because the planet was overpopulated. People took it on board, and now they want everyone to breed like rabbits again. I thought we were all supposed to become 'useless eaters' as AI was making us all redundant anyways. They're full of BS. And they've wrecked the economy with malignant greed.
Good for SK women. ❤
Maybe if they treat their women better, this would not be happening!!!
Nope instead they’ll blame women for all the problems cuased by men like they always do, then wonder why women don’t want to be a slave in the house chained to an abuser🤷🏻♀️
Yep. I think single mothers still have to register their child as if they're concubines over there. It wasn't long ago that single mother's couldn't even use the hospital to give birth. Women are still pressured to quit from all ends if they commit the sin of childbirth and expect to still work. And for some who do go the dutiful wife route, they get abused for being burdens. Daughters saw their mothers live this life, so what right-minded person would choose it? These mother's were the ones pushing for their daughters to not share this fate.
Things are bad when a guy having dead parents is considered a catch. Every time Korean women speak about this mess, the same issues come up over and over again.
South Korean women were treated even more strictly during the mid-20th century. Yet they still managed to fulfill their duty to the state back then. I guess modern women are flying too close to the sun. If they don't change course and get back to birthing enough children, they won't have a fair society to enjoy in 100 years.
Yemen and Somalia treat theirs better?
@@1wun1exactly!
If toxic patriarchal notions continue to run rife in SK, then it'll continue to decline. It is reflected in government policies and corporate approaches to HR.
You`ve have never had such low patriarchy before, you`ve have never had such low birth rate before.
Can you tell me a little more how `patriarchy` is that related to low birth rate
No patriarchy increases the birthrate look at Muslim countries or African ones.
Lies
@@Joshua-eo5hrit's not a lie. When a South Korean woman goes on maternity leave from her workplace, she basically comes back to a demotion. And there's pressure to stay at home with the baby and not come back to work at all. If a pregnancy will derail a career that she studied hard to obtain, why would a woman have a baby for a man who will be at work, unavailable for long hours? Their low birth rate is proof that the situation is bad, yet, you say it's all lies. Okay. Fine. 🙄
@@natashadickson4819 Sk women live in one of the most equal places for women in the world and you can look at patriarchal society and clearly see they are having more kids.
They don't care for their people...and their people couldn't care less for those people who think they are in charge. As a Korean woman I can safely say " not on my watch"
Good for you. There are many of us who support your stance! Keep your ground!
They did it to themselves with their work culture. Same as Japan.
Strange that the programme didn’t talk about the growing social & political divide between Korean men & women. Numerous studies have shown this plays a part in partner selection, marriage & having children.
In South Korea it’s the big test every high school student takes. It’s the most competitive society in the world, so parents feel like they need to have very few kids (1-2 kids max) so they can put all their resources into only one kid.
Cost of living and small apartments don’t help either.
When can we just admit the role of a mother is possibly the most critical role in human society and it's something only women can do.
And finally give women the proper value, respect and POWER they always deserved.
@@anhangamirim oh no, that’s makes too much sense. Instead they would force women to breed.
@@anhangamirim
Power isn't given, it's taken.
@@Emptytopfloor I know damn well, women would raise all hell before they roll over and let that happen. So, let them try! FAFO
@@1wun1 nah. Power can be acquired many ways. The fact that men see the world in terms of force is part of the problem
its not that complicated make housing affordable, make jobs easier and more family friendly make pays more and living less expensive people will start having babies.
governments want to do nothing and yet want the people to do everything
The rich 1%
South Korea's 37 billionaires don't want that.
There is nothing to figure out. The reason we are seeing a drop in child births is corporate greed and political greed.
People vote them in.
Kudos to them for being socially responsible.
The korean government should also deal with its patriarchial system.
True patriarchal systems give more children, because in a truly patriarchal society women don't contribute much in society other than give birth to children and serve their husbands. Like traditional Muslim families.
The fact that women in Korea can vote, work and even recently had a female head of state proves that Korea is no longer a patriarchal society.
The country is pretty much split in half. Half is more traditional (patriarchal) which is mostly supported by males and the other half is more liberal (feminist) mostly supported by females.
The problem is not the patriarchy, the problem is that the country is divided.
If women would embrace the patriarchy like they did before when women were having on average 6 children; then Korea would not have to worry about a declining population. Just like many other countries that still have a "patriarchal system" and are not worried about going extinct.
Making everyone a feminist is not the solution because at its core the purpose of feminism is to get women out of the home and into the labor force. Feminist women have fewer children, take more birth control and have a lot more abortions then conservative (patriarchal) women.
Patriarchal women believe in gender roles and it is not an option but a duty as a woman to have children, even if the economy is not doing so well or even if it means you won't be able to make it into a prestigious university or buy nice clothes or get your dream job or live in the big city. Childbearing is the biggest accomplishment in a woman's life.
The problem is not the patriarchy in Korea, the problem is that there's not enough patriarchy in Korea and that everyone wants to live in big cities where everything is so expensive.
Yes 👍 make it stronger adopt Islam
@@Joshua-eo5hrno if they do the whole country will collapse. Besides the islamic world also struggles with declining fertility rates. Read some data before making these kinds of stupid comments.
@@oum6544 how will the country collapse when the natural order is patriarchy there has never been a matriarchy in history according to anthropologist.
@@Joshua-eo5hr it's less about what the natural order might be and more about what a system requires to continue. Besides matriarchy exists in the animal kingdom.
I have several Korean friends and only 1 of them has a child, the rest (both sexes) dont have any plans to have 1 due to a LOT of justifiable reasons. And they said even if they would be given monthly financial support from the government they would still never have offsprings.
Demographic decline is because people don't want to sacrifice their livelihood and conveniences for children. Older generations didn't have as much frivolties to spend on, and more pleasant distractions that were so easily accessible. Children = sacrifice. Does this mean younger generations are inherently more selfish? No. If older generations had been given such a life, they would likely make similar decisions.
Spot on
Absolutely. But this not only goes for children, it goes into the other direction too. More and more people don't want to sacrifice their lives caring for the older too it seems. I didn't teach that to my kids, but the internet does, sentiment is basically because kids were brought to life by their parents that made that choice, perents owe them everything. But when you ask for something in return, you'll often hear from the youth kinda the sentiment "I didn't chose to be brought to life, therefore I owe noone anything, it's not my responcibility". That the whole system of life works in different direction, and that it's a give and take or our civilazations will break down, hasn't really set in. The nice distractions are too nice it seems to even think about the other a bit. I'll observe this a bit longer, if kids still continue like that thinking I owe them more after I already sacrificed enough of my time and health, struggling here with cancer and Chronic Fatigue Syndrom, well I guess then I'll acept that they don't give a shit about me, despite me not even asking for much yet, and find nice last ways to spend my money till the last penny on. I bet there's some kids out there in the world, that will be thankful for a bit of financial support to built skills, education etc. and maybe even for some advice. My kids can then built up from the very bottom like my ancestors once had to do after World Wars.
@@saulghim2661
And the higher the demand for those goodies the more expensive they get. Eventually they end up living as hard as parents but without any desired benefits.
Older generations could afford rent and food etc on 1 salary, not 2. Our current economic model is most unwise and unjust. People who are exhausted from work aren't able to find the extra energy for the difficult work of having and rearing children.
And yet the older generations have put in policy that have made it so their grandchildren are poor then they are. So who is more selfish?
American women stand with the 4B movement!! Proud of you ladies!! Protect each other
Women in Korea aren't save, why would they have children in that environment, given the choice?
Maybe ask the actual women involved????
Consequences of governments prioritising work and gdp figures over raising families. Couples are stretched financially already, how can they afford kids, paying for day care and schooling when both parents have to work over time just to make rent/mortgage. It was better when 1 parent could stay home and look after the kids and 1 income was enough to provide for everything. Honestly if 1 income was enough i think more would be willing to have multiple children.
No one should have a child until they are independently wealthy, meaning they don't have to work to live.
So only rich people then
Sounds like eugenics
Despite all problems of not having enough money to raise a children properly, why do Indian women give birth? Societal pressure is the main reason which puts pressure on young Indian girls to ger married & give birth. How I wish this scenerio change.
Sounds like they need to restructure wealth and their economy.
Samsung is running out of slaves
The Korean people need me. I'm on my way there right now.
Tax South Korea's ~ 37 billionaires.
This is what happen when having kids = having more penalty in term of money, effort and time from the consumer based economy.
I mean South Korean won't go extinct.
Your experts solutions are the problem.
i read an article that said the problem is mostly because of how they view marriage. the problem is that many people want kids but dont want to get married. but theres no incentive to do so, and in fact, its highly stigmatized against, especially for women. also, culturally they value their bloodlines so most men are not willing to raise a child that isnt theirs.
So in other words the problem is women's behavior
I assure you Koreans may not be having kids in Korea but the Koreans in the States are!!!
Also in Austrailia too... There are a lot of kpop idols who came from Austrailia
There are Koreans in South Africa too.
Koreans in Korea are having children, they’re not just having enough children to meet the population replacement rate.
Are Koreans in the US and Australia having children at levels that meet the replacement rate?
This is an obvious consequence of the carrying capacity, which is necessarily very low in a small country like SK, and also in Japan where much of it is mountainous.
@@hannah60000yes, most Korean families in the US are having two kids…
I am curious which country will ban birth control and anticonception first.
We are not having kids now because it's "too hard", imagine how difficult the economic situation will be in 15 years.
6 months or 1 year paternity leave is a joke, baby bonus is far to little to help, and doesnt work because bad irresponsible people will try to take advantage of that. Honestly you need 5 years, or until the youngest kid is old enough to go to school until the 2nd parent can start working. It could be several more years if you are having multiple children, and that would only be part time work anyway because they still need to be looked after. They designed an economy thats all about money and now both parents are way to busy to have children. You want more children then get rid of competition in society.
It’s what the rich did the whole world.
Interviewing two men on the reason why women don't want kids anymore? Classic... 😑
Also, talking about birthrates in Korea and not once the 4B movement is mentioned? Do you guys live in an alternate dimension?!?!?
Japan and S. Korea will have to allow more migration. They will most likely let in Filipinos for obvious reasons.
I am guessing that the still many kids that are born in Korea and adopted by foreigners are not registered in Korea.
Which also explains how and why South Korea has so many returnees. So Korea is different. Because even Kyobo’s are moving to South Korea.
Work also on why they could possibly not keep their babies. And respect the choice of some people that do not want kids.
SK sold over 200k of us and now crying 🤦♀🤦♀
Children will soon become a status symbol that only the wealthy can afford. Poor people will continue to have lot too. This will make the wealth gap between the haves and have nots even greater. Many first world countries have lots of immigrants that keep contributing to the population, but homogenous countries like SK do not have this dynamic.
North Korea: sip tea.
IT's too late now
dont worry phil will help you🎉
Blame it to the demanding high standard of living and the failure to address mental health brought about by over pressure on the shoulder of young people. Korea should improve labor friendly laws, policies addressing health care, more affectionate child care policies primarily on mental health, support and help family with more than 5 members, ease college entrance qualification, strong support to orphanage homes by providing them quality education and Healthcare.
South Korea needs more of Love Yourself music campaign of BTS. Ironically, happy song of Jimin Smeraldo Garden Marching Band are played more in western countries which needs happy and joyful music vibe than in Korea.
Go 4B!!! Ladies you are leading the charge against misogyny!!! Women are over it!!!
An easy to solve that is to Invite more Filipinos.
As someone said below; the only way to combat this is to make the countries in which there are birth declines, places where people *want* to have and raise children. Unfortunately South Korea (like similar East Asian countries) have the double whammy of social problems as well as the general jadedness about the future brought on by things such as climate change, future financial security and prosperity etc. South Korea's unique set of problems that contribute to their current situation are a combination that is specific to South Korea.
Although Japan is in a similar position when it comes to low birth rates, they too have their own unique set of circumstances that has led them there. Europe and pockets of countries on other continents are also experiencing declining birth rates but again, their set of contributing factors are specific to them. For example, they tend to be countries that don't have such a huge problem with the culture around gender or they are countries that are not only traditional but also have little to no progression for women, so the daughter to motherhood pipeline is the fate of most women in countries such as those.
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This situation won't change, thise countermeasures won't work. A drastic cultural change would be required, people are naturally very reluctant to change and highly traditional societies like Korea even more so
1. give tax breaks to couples with 2 or more kids
2. 18 years of free food for the children
3. increase maternity leave with pay
The 3rd will back fire on women, companies won't hire women in future. And so.. it should be compulsory for longer maternal and paternal leave.
Free food? Nothing is free. You can pay for the free food by taxing people with kids. Or you can pursue policies that make food less expensive. Such as ending south Korea's war against Russia, make peace with China then cut military spending by 100%.
Big government and Big business have always been in competition with the family so the solution will not come from them. All they want is more bodies to pay taxes or to do labor. The gentleman even said we need to create better access for women into the workforce as if that is what they want. Anyways, economic success does not equate to having more children. In fact, it is the opposite and perhaps Japan and Korea are victims of their own success. Nevertheless, take the Amish, who get along quite fine without big G or Big B and have more children despite that. It really comes down having a purpose in life other than making money or having power. As it stands right now most people have no reason for being other than to eat, sleep and drink which is not very conducive to making babies.
It is not an emergency. Nobody is acting emergently. Nah, let it go
Cost of Living and Inflation is the reason people are not having children. Can't have kids if you cant even afford housing let alone savings 😅
Congratulations Korea well done as a planet we all need a reduction in population & a more democratic distribution of resources.
Young adults are moving back home with parents in America also. Housing is too high
Have kids only if government is giving you 25 years of child raising cost + incentives in advance.
Otherwise going childfree will help you not to be a wage slave to some extent
Having a child can through you into poverty. Pls dont do it
This is a good new. This would be more house for the generation.
Perhaps Korea would consider fast-tracking Aubrey de Grey's research to promote healthy aging?
This is breaking my heart. A lot of the babes here have dry skin and seems like eczema. EAT MORE FRUIT for goodness sake, Korea. I have been craving Graviola which I only tried a few times (the frozen kind) at a super foods and smoothie/juice cafe.
When you give zero incentives other than burden, this is the result. My life is easier childfree in this difficult world.
Why DPRK's birth rate is more than two times higher than RoK's one? DPRK's birth is like in 1980s in socialistic countries block, a.k.a CEMA, whom part of DPRK never was
Its declining there too at rapid pace
With just single person median salary one should be able to afford a house in the capital city of South Korea. That’s how people are now if they have to have kids. They don’t go to remote corners of South korea to buy cheaper house there
Women should escape that misoginistic nightmare NOW! Come to Portugal, GIRLS! Here you will be more respected and have the conditions to raise your family as you want!
Portugal still has below-replacement birth rate lol
Yuck no thanks
Garbage want slaves to abuse and cry oppression when it doesn’t find one to exploit
Lmao who tf wants to go to Portugal?😂
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This will be every place on earths news one day except for Africa that seems to be the only place humans aren’t having this issue
You can invest in housing and education all you want but how do you change a culture? It's not just workplace culture, it's culture full stop.
Late stage capitalism big fat L
Maybe make cost of property affordable and ppl will move out and start having larger families if they could afford the space
It's strange for me in Hungary, because my country almost the same size, but the population is less, than 10 million here. As I see, their main problems, that young people haven't got enough free time and having a child is a full time job. They should shorten military service with 6 months for every child, that would make miracles.
Having children is not a full time job.
Full time job is usually 8 hours per day, 5 days a week.
I guess we could define having children as an "whole time job" or "all life job".
24 hous a day 7 days a week for the first few years - for each child.
Nah the problem is way deeper than you think. "Young" people who are now 25 or older haven't enjoyed their youth. You know millenials or those who are born in 1995-2000 have already been cursed since the beginning. At that period of time the destruction of "traditional stereotypes" was launched. Millenials were the first victims of their time: parents and Hollywood. They were introduced to harsh competition among peers too early, when they just got into school. Why in the last decades so many school shooters appeared? Why Hollywood movies show how cruel schools are? Their parents destroyed their childhood consciously by tryings to secure their future. So they grow up without nothing, those people compared to previous generations has no ideals like friendship, love, nice memories. Ask any millenial now about his past or try to talk to him about family or children he would reply something scornful like "what is the point of all it?". The biggest problem here is that they are asking people who whole their life were prepared to be ready to face harsh reality of adulthood, and whole of their life was nothing but full of training, who lack of any ideals. Do you see the problem? Kids need parents who have some ideals, who would teach them about how it is great to live in this world, how wonderful this world is. What can bunch of depressed guys who understand nothing about life give their kids? Ofc nothing, this is why they spend so much time trying to "find themselves" instead of doing their direct duties. Millenials and the following generations have lost something crucial and important - belief, belief that life is great, belief that there is somthing real in this world, belief in people. Something all young people nowadays are trying to find is something irreplacable and way more important. And this something irreplacable was sacrificied by their parents for the secure of their own kids. And now their kids trying to find this something, but the point is those searches are futile they won't find it. See? Everything is happening as it should happen. Decline of economy was inevitable and irreversable.
Nah the problem is way deeper than you think. "Young" people who are now 25 or older haven't enjoyed their youth. You know millenials or those who are born in 1995-2000 have already been cursed since the beginning. At that period of time the destruction of "traditional stereotypes" was launched. Millenials were the first victims of their time: parents and Hollywood. They were introduced to harsh competition among peers too early, when they just got into school. Why in the last decades so many school shooters appeared? Why Hollywood movies show how cruel schools are? Their parents destroyed their childhood consciously by tryings to secure their future. So they grow up without nothing, those people compared to previous generations has no ideals like friendship, love, nice memories. Ask any millenial now about his past or try to talk to him about family or children he would reply something scornful like "what is the point of all it?". The biggest problem here is that they are asking people who whole their life were prepared to be ready to face harsh reality of adulthood, and whole of their life was nothing but full of training, who lack of any ideals. Do you see the problem? Kids need parents who have some ideals, who would teach them about how it is great to live in this world, how wonderful this world is. What can bunch of depressed guys who understand nothing about life give their kids? Ofc nothing, this is why they spend so much time trying to "find themselves" instead of doing their direct duties. Millenials and the following generations have lost something crucial and important - belief, belief that life is great, belief that there is somthing real in this world, belief in people. Something all young people nowadays are trying to find is something irreplacable and way more important. And this something irreplacable was sacrificied by their parents for the secure of their own kids. And now their kids trying to find this something, but the point is those searches are futile they won't find it. See? Everything is happening as it should happen. Decline of economy was inevitable and irreversable..
Meanwhile domestic violence against women has increased as well and many high profile murders from rejected men has definitely not helped. Violence against women have many women opting out of marriage and relationships entirely. The culture in south Korea is still extremely against women.
It’s been an emergency for years……. What are they doing about it?
What never occurs to people is that everyone physically capable could give birth to triplets tomorrow...and they'll still have a shrinking labor force and expanding elderly population for the 14-16 years it will be before any of them get even the most basic summer job.
Pairing consumerism with toxic brainless hard work at all costs is killing humanity.
The cost to be able to consume all these luxuries has become too much. Sacrificing years of studying, proper childhoods, feelings, relationships and everything on the way in spite of "the good life". What is most ironic about all this is that even if you make it, what awaits you is still more consummerism because you will not be happy and satisfied suddenly when you reach your goals.
Living standards keep getting higher while the importance of actually living and caring about oneself's emotional state is decreasing. This is a recipee for people who are 45 years old and "not ready to be a parent yet".
But of course there are big winners in this game. Otherwise it would have been corrected already.
I think the people are fine. I see a lot of Korean decent people go to other countries and continue to have kids. Like wise, I also see a lot of people immigrate to Korea from other countries. I don't think the population will effect the economy there.
4B forever
It is not ONLY trad expectations on womens roles, it is the 'industrialisation' model which causes this family/clan/community fracture.
NEED TO LOOK AT REDESIGNING INDUSTRIALISATION MODELS AND PRIORITISE CHILDREN, FAMILY AND SOCIETY NEEDS OVER NEOLIBERAL PROFIT MODEL.
Why women don't want kids ???? Lets ask these men about it 😅