A good review. Thank you. As others have commented a battery angle grinder is not likely to perform as well, plus the fact that you had the lock clamped in a work bench. When it's on a bike it's likely to have more movement whilst cutting which will also increase the difficulty and time it'll take to cut it.
Yep, that was my thoughts when planning the video, but I only clamped it for the attack on the shackle, I tried to replicate it being 'loose' as much as i could for the main cut, but making allowances for filming.
A scrote with an angle grinder would have been using a battery powered version, would a battery even last? He's unlikely to have 2 batteries and 4 discs in his pocket. Good test.
@@mancavemoto now imagine the litelock x3 xd 😂 even with the best dewalt 60v flexvolt battery ur still going to need al least half an ouhr and multiple discs and batteries because most of the battery powered angle grinders have antikickback if they feal too much force againts the disc then they turn off so ye and thats all just for the x1 lock for the x3 it takes 1ouhr to cut it fully by that time police coud have been there 3 times u coud have whent home and brought out ur baseball bat and riot pepper spray xd 😂
@@Maykay1312 It doesn't take a half hour to cut man what are you talking about? They're really good locks but come on. Don't exaggerate them or fall for marketing. I've seen the X3 get cut in about 5 mins.
If I go somewhere I know I'm going to leave my e-bike alone for a few minutes (in an unsafe area) I have both the Litelok X1 and X3 and a heavy 16mm chain keeping it safe. My e-bike ain't going anywhere. These locks are a real deterrent which I bought thanks to your video. Cheers pal 👍🏻
Jesus where do you carry all that. That’s my only hassle is carrying all those locks they add up to some weight in my backpack and my back starts hurting.
That's brilliant is that, I'm definitely buying one for my Busa. Bike theft has rocketed lately and I definitely want the best I can get. Cracking test mate, thanks for showing us how brilliant this lock is 👌👌👌
I always appreciate how you do your reviews (of any product) and it never seems like you're partial to the manufacturer's claims. Since, as you said, I'm not going to buy two of something expensive just to test one out, this would be the only way to truly know if it works as "advertised". Thank you
I went to buy one to do a comparison, but the only one I could find locally was a £60 Oxford lock, and I didn’t fancy chucking that much money down the drain…
Thanks for a good review Tony. As others have said the wildlife out there are not likely to be carrying around 240 or 110 grinders, they’ll move on to easier pickings. I’ll get an X1 to go along with my lock & loop chain & heavy disc lock.. make the buggers sweat a bit if they want my bike
If it was made in Germany (like Abus), people would be talking about German quality / reliability. If I understand correctly, it’s made in Great Britain so let’s get behind it people! I’ve ordered one 👍
I Disagree America has the longest sentences for crimes in the world and still has more people locked up than any other country per capita. Its better to train people and give them better opportunities to gain meaningful employment to reduce crime like the Netherlands which has the lowest re-offending in Europe
Not even close. We've been doing that for millennia mate. Meaningful consequences are needed but the only way to stop theft is to create a healthy society.
I think often thats the best you can hope for, they'll either no bother or move onto the next one when its evident that its going to take longer than expected.
Excellent test ! Im pretty sure a battery grinder wouldnt have the same power as a 240v one either, so bloody good lock. I know bikes have been carried away , but its a good deterent Im sure.
I living in Neighborhood to American General Consulate in Germany Frankfurt. No Bikethief has any Chance to steal my Bike. Some Cameras from the Security looks in my Property. Police needs just one Minute ti reach me. This great Bikelock resists till the Police is there
That's an incredible lock, most bike stealing scabs are not going to have the time to change the disc mid lock, especially multiple times. Very impressive especially given the convenient looking size.
Given that most of the scrote's that carry out these attacks/thefts use a battery powered grinders and I doubt they'd have spare disks with them, I think that after a 30 second assault on the Litelok X1 they'd give up and move on to an easier target. I find a disc lock + chain is a good way to ensure your pride and joy is where you left it, especially in high theft area's like our major cities. Great demo of the Barronium/rubber compounds ability to eat grinder discs, hopefully LiteLok sent that to you to 'kill' rather than you spending your own money for the destructive demo?
Great review, Tony. While you’ve displayed the cut time, what was the total time it took you start to finish to cut through the lock? Bearing in mind any scum with an angle grinder is going to have the same issues, the total attack time is likely to be much longer than a few minutes. Thanks in advance.
Great test. I would have wanted to see a couple different disks, though. At very least regular cutting disks with aluminium oxide, silicon carbide and ceramic abrasive materials plus a basic diamond cutting disk. I guess regular thief probably has only basic disk but considering thiefs do not pay for their tools, using a more expensive disk would be a no-brainer for a thief. I would guess one of those would cut LiteLok pretty easily, probably the diamon cutting disk.
Thanks, Its a popular belief that diamond cutting discs are faster, however they are designed to last longer and do not cut quicker. I asked advice from a steel fabricator and engineer who advised using 'standard' fibre slitting discs as they are the quickest at cutting steel.
@@mancavemoto It depends on material. If you're trying to cut ceramics, diamond disc is *also* much faster in addition to making higher quality cut. As we don't know what exact material LiteLok is made of, it would make sense to try multiple different discs to figure out which tool you should use. Using incorrect disc would be like trying to pick a disk detainer lock using pin tumbler lock picks and then declaring that disk detainer locks cannot be picked at all.
Well, yeah....but I could get through it with oxy acetylene or a plasma cutter, but you have to look at what the scrote bags are actually using. They're using nicked battery grinders with basic cutting or even grinding discs in the main as these will very much get through less robust locks, no problem.
I’d still be interested to see a diamond disc. I appreciate they may have differing cut speeds, but also different construction and the USP of the lock is destroying a conventional disc, not diamond…
The Material resistance is quite impressive. Though the wear on the angel Grinder is because of way to much force and not holding it straight as you said yourself, you can see the disc disintigrating in a few crucial moments. Other than that a battery powerd 6 Inch Angelgrinder with possibly higher surface speed and higher quality discs would perform somewhat better. A Handhelf Hydraulic Rebar cutter for that size would be interessing to see.
Diamond wheels generally don’t cut faster, if anything they are a little slower than fibre slitting discs. The difference is as you point out they last longer, so in this case would not have required changing saving the time that took
@@mancavemoto Thank you for your thoughts about the use of a diamond wheel on a bike lock. I asked elsewhere as well and you both agree that using a diamond disk would have no real advantage for a thief, probably counter productive for them. Some good news, one less thing to worry about.
Thank for taking the time to make this video 👍…… Everyone that puts these locks to the test seems to use a standard 1 mm cutting disc, How will the locks fair up against a quality diamond blade ?
From what I’ve been told diamond discs are better at cutting concrete and stone etc. my brother is a steel fabricator and he uses the fibre discs until it gets to something that need a oxy acetylene torch or plasma cutter
@@mancavemoto, I’m not trying to start an argument, like I said appreciate you taking the time to make theses videos. I am a builder & I use diamond discs to cut through concrete lintels with steel bars in them also use them to cut rebar’s
@@EmsillCazm I appreciate that, but as you’ll know not all diamond discs are the same. A good one will last longer, but not necessarily cut faster?As I mentioned my brother works with steel and they still use the fibre ones until they need to go to gas or plasma.
I'm not sure I know everything about angle grinders but your test should have used a cordless one, since obviously that's what a thief might be carrying, and perhaps not a Bosch, as that's a good piece of kit
I wasn't trying to replicate a theft, I was showing the resistance to grinding. Just for the record this was a 110v grinder running through a transformer
From my experience as an electrician using 2x DeWalt 18v angle grinders with 4 and 5ah batteries cutting through steel on a somewhat regular basis, over the last few years, there's not a big difference compared to 240v/wired angle grinders. If I were a bike thief I'd much rather cut through the steel bar frame instead of such locks they're attached to. I've got the X1, and recently also ordered the combo X3 with Core Plus 100 chain from Litelok, for my £1800 e-bike. So I'm far more sceptical of what public frame I lock onto. Hopefully any potential thief would try to cut through the locks instead of the steel public frame, that would proper fak him up.
Been looking at this lock for while. Being a victim of 3 stolen vehicles over the 20 years of owning motorcycles (all locked with various locks). I'm definitely in the market for something tougher. Been considering the x3 but the £250 price tag put me off a little. The x1 does a very similar job for £100 less. I could essentially get 2 for nearly the price of one x3. Thanks for the review, looks good
Yep its a toss up between hopw much you pay for the added security. But this does seem to do a very good job, at the end of the day all you can do is try to slow down or put off a potential thief.
Would honestly say, two of the X1's would work better than one X3, if they have to cut one off the front and one off the rear, they'll be at it for far too long, most won't even bother, just too much effort when someone else in town has theirs locked up with a £10 chain from the local garden center.
I've had a glance at their website, and while they have a French site (where I live) they don't mention SRA approved. Only SRA are recognised by insurances. Perhaps you could let them know as there's no contact info available, I'm sure it would pass and they need it to sell here.
I would've liked to see you use a diamond cutting wheel as that would be the obvious choice if I was doing this ! Maybe if you haven't already disposed of the lock ! Because I also feel that will be the thieves next weapon of choice !
@@mancavemoto My point was the lock appears to me to be a ceramic type of composite which defeats the grinding wheel by clogging and overheating it ! If you look at most diamond style cutting wheels they have slits cut in the blade to prevent clogging (they are normally used in construction to cut concrete etc ) that along with the diamond element as well as not needing to change the blade I don't think these offer any more protection to someone who understands this ! So I would have liked to see them tested with a more appropriate wheel !
I’d like to see some of these locks tested with mobile, battery grinders that the thieves carry. I bet it would take a lot more to get through it with one of those.
Ok Thank you for your input to an important issue! There are cordless bolt cutters as well of course! Maybe the only bike you should ever lock up should be a Beater bike as the Yanks call it ! That lock was impressive I must say ! Thank you for your input !😀
First of all, i would be surprised if a bad guy has 4 discs on hand to cut two gaps out of that lock. And I would be shocked if he was willing to stand there 8 minutes grinding away. I'm ordering that lock tomorrow morning
Yep a battery powered grinder is likely to be slower. I’m demonstrating that it’s resistant to cutting the method of power of the grinder is largely irrelevant.
I disagree. Put a 19mm or 21mm Pragmasis chain and an Abloy 362 High Security lock + RL21 Roundlock and no son of a hound scumbag will be able to get your bike. Couple that with a locked gate and something like a Guardsman security barrier + alarm then it'd be impossible for the scumbags to even lift the bike over a barrier unless they spend 2 hours plus trying to steal your bike in which case they'd be caught by then. Just put something which takes an hour + to compromise. All the above might cost around £700 but if your bike is worth 10 times that or more then its worthwhile because the locks with last you a lifetime. Over a 20 year riding career that's only £35 per year, cheapest insurance and peace of mind you'll ever have.
I'd think and interesting test of this lock to a standard d lock would be to use a bench mounted metal saw with an abrasive disk. Hang say 10lbs on the handle and time how long it takes to cut through each. I know you probably don't have that equipment, but maybe someone else who watches does.
@@sometimes_riding7008 As he says in the video one disk was trashed due to poor technique. So a better skilled attacker could do that cut with only 2 discs and way faster. By making a test bench that always attacks the lock in a perfect way the result you get is a score that you know no human attacker can ever reach. So you know for sure whatever the conditions and the attacker skills they will never steal your bike faster than that.
The one I did, with battery grinder ofc, took 3.30 seconds, 3 blades, and only had to cut one side to get it off. 3.30 is okay but still not good enough.
A great practical review. I just wish it was a lot cheaper, but then I hear people say, what price do you put on your bike. I still think it's expensive. cheers
Diamond wheels tend to be used for concrete and stone, although there are ones designed for steel. They will last longer, but not necessarily cut faster.
I work in the building trade these blades your using are a joke try with a diamond tipped cutting wheel and I can bet you get through two cuts in a fraction of the time , I still think any lock is better than nothing as a deterrent
These cutting discs are used to cut heavy duty steel and are more likely what would be used in the battery powered grinders. It’s a definitely a deterrent.
Can anyone tell me the difference between the litelok x3 Moto and the litelok x3 bicycle? They are slightly different colors but are they different sizes and materials. The site doesn't specify. Thank you for your help in advance!
You really need a grinder resistant lock ! - adding in a chain is a good idea as it's hard to hold the chain link steady whole cutting ! Above pertains to bicycles especially good racers and mountain bikes and is a no brainer for an electric bike! Actually Electric Bike owners are unbelievably naive in their lock selection if what I am seeing is representative ? They SHOULD be using above or similar products 😮 !
A thieves most precious thing is “time” if it’s going to take too long, it’s not worth it. They are more likely to find an easier target. Also if the thief knows the cost of the lock they can bet the owner probably has more tricks up his sleeves. There might be a hidden alarm or even an Apple air tag somewhere. The goal is to make it look not worth their time because time is something they won’t get back if they waste it, specially on something that’s going to eat up your grinder wheels reducing your opportunity for another target.
You could cut it a lot faster just by using a metal cutting diamond blade or go all out a use a Shihl cut-off saw with a diamond blade which would do it in an instant. Blink and you'll miss it. Also, a thief in the street would most likely be using a small battery angle grinder which would not be as powerful as a corded machine. They might even need more than one battery.
Diamond blades last longer but dont necessarily cut faster. Its not having to change the disc that would speed up the attack. A Stihl cut off saw is pretty big to be lugging about on a scooter in tracksuit bottoms lol, and the diamond blades for those are more commonly used for concrete. Its not an infallible lock obviously, but it stands above standard d locks in terms of protection.
Is it worth the extra £100 for the X3 & X3 Moto (same locks according to the manufacturer) over an X1 or X1 Moto (once again, same locks, just different targeting of bikers over cyclists) ?? !! Also, would these LiteLoks fit under the seat of a Honda Zoomer / Ruckus for example on the built in carrying points for a D / U Lock 🧐 Great review and keep up the good work 👍🏻
The X3 is tougher with a stronger lock, but its also heavier. So hard to say without getting my hands on one. I'm not familar with the Zoomer, but the X1 does seem to be a standard size D-lock.
@@mancavemoto thanx for the info, the Zoomer is a fun little 50cc urban scooter from Honda, called the Ruckus in other markets Pity no longer available new, but was certainly well ahead of it’s time 🛵👍🏻
So this is a test with a mains grinder with the lock in a vice. It shows us how tough the lock is, but it's not a real life situation with the lock attached to a bike, attempted with a battery grinder. OK.
I don’t own a battery grinder, but the point is that the mains grinder will be more powerful than a battery one, so the cut time should be even longer. If you watch the video properly the lock isn’t clamped into a vice, it’s looped around a work bench, so there’s movement in it. If you want to bolt one you York bike and go at it with a grinder be my guest. I’m not sure why people seem to be so keen to see this product fail? Odd
@@mancavemoto No one wants to see this product fail. Quite the opposite. I'm not sure why you deduct that from my post. It would probably be more difficult with a battery operated grinder with the lock attached to a bike. People want to see real life situations. That's not so hard to understand.
Excellent review! I always thought that nothing could withstand those 1mm cutting discs, i am very impressed and may buy one. Are you planning to do an update using a diamond disc on the other side of the "U"?
Cheers Steven, I might do as quite a few people raised the question. Diamond discs are designed to last longer, but dont necessarily cut any faster. The time saved would be in not having to change discs.
@@mancavemoto Wouldn't it be poetic justice if somebody invented a composite armour coating that totally destroyed the cutting disc and sent shards of it into the face of the thief. I'm guessing that it's probably been invented but companies are prevented from using it because of human rights or similar, can't have the poor misunderstood scumbag getting hurt. 😉
@@stevenhill6214 composite cutting edges wouldn’t help because the other composite material is strong enough it’ll eat it away too! it’s the highly abrasive nature of composite that kills these blades. the only way you’d get through one of these quickly is with an industrial water jet which isn’t exactly portable lol
@@stevenhill6214 you should look into composite tank armour :) it’s the same concept. the ceramic is so hard that when it shatters and ablates away and basically eats away at the projectile until it’s gone. same thing here!
Most comforting. As with any lock it has to be easy to carry and accessible, or people won't bother with the faff. Perhaps a good bracket to attach it to the bike ehen riding , that came with it would help? Not every bike has boxes. Underseat storage is OK on my bike. But a race rep or similar? Not sure. Might make a good vlog. Either way good review and good to know? Happy, safe travels 👍
Diamond discs are generally used for concrete and stone, and the metal specific ones are expensive. The difference would be that they last longer, so wouldn't require the disc changes, but generally they don't cut any faster
@@mancavemoto …. But surely this would reflect on the time the thief takes to cut through the lock because he doesn’t have to stop and change discs, You said that liteLok supplied this lock for the test, I’m beginning to think they’ve told you not to use a diamond cutting blade because the times to cut through would be quicker even if the cutting times were the same the inconvenience of changing the disc’s would add time to the test
So its not grinder resistant then..... Be curious how it holds up to the likes of the newyork d-lock, i know that ones pretty tough, and less than half the price, so you could buy 2 of them for the same price as the litelok x1
Thieves generally use a battery powered grinder, that do not sustain the same power as a 112 volt or 230/40 volt unit.' which of course means the 'little Scrouts' have to change batteries as well as discs..Anything that slows them..[thief] ..up has to be an advantage..
@@mancavemoto ,.. I’m not being critical, you did an informative video. I’m just pointing out that it would add a more lengthy degree of difficulty if the lock was rattling about on a bike frame and maybe also cause blade failures. Spreaders are difficult to use if the lock is full. I just lost my second bike to thieves. There won’t be a third!
Oh I get you I wasn't being combative, I just wanted to clarify it wasn't clamped. I had it fitted to the workbench to try and simulate the sort of movement it would get on a bike, and its possible to move it into a similar position to the one I used on a bike. What I didnt want to do was bolt it onto my bike and try to attack it for two reasons 1. The risk of damaging the bike and 2. the risk of not being able to cut through it and then not being able to get it off the bike 😂
@@mancavemoto.. got it. Actually when pounding out the above I got to thinking about accidental grinder marks on a bike frame. Might not be a bad thing to simulate. That would diminish if not kill the resale value?
Yep, so what real difference would that have made to the video? The battery powered one is likely to take longer to make the cut, but it wouldn’t change the story other than that. I already have the corded grinder and most people would understand that a battery version would take even longer.
I bought one of these. Two things. First of all the cardboard box that came in was incredibly hard to open. Minor point, but bloody annoying. Then they were next to no instructions. I couldn’t see where the key went. There was a white section in the middle, but I thought that had to be removed because it looked like a solid white plastic cover. After various attempts to remove it, I looked at a RUclips video and saw by chance that the key went there. Pretty pissed off that such an expensive product is so badly presented with so little information 😡
I've got one - bit worried about you if you couldn't open the cardboard box it came in 😂 Also, aside from the Barronium coating, its a standard d-lock, so only really one place the key could go? There's a QR code inside the box which leads to extra information - maybe you missed that too?
@@ryanridesbikes1978 I could open it eventually, but it was some super weird design. That was just a pain in the arse when you just want to simply open the bloody box! All the D-locks I’ve previously had the key one end or the other. As you know from the lock, the plastic cover where the key goes is completely plastic and it just would’ve helped to have something point out that’s where key goes - like a sticker. As nothing said I was at first trying to remove the white bit ! 😫 Anyway … got there in the end.
Doubt a battery powered grinder would have the same power. What gets me is the videos of those scrotes cutting in broad daylight and nobody doing anything...
@@DaleMt09sp Depends on the situation and who I'm with. They get away with it because people let them get away with it and all the while putting everyone's insurance up. More claims means higher insurance for us all.
A good review. Thank you. As others have commented a battery angle grinder is not likely to perform as well, plus the fact that you had the lock clamped in a work bench. When it's on a bike it's likely to have more movement whilst cutting which will also increase the difficulty and time it'll take to cut it.
Yep, that was my thoughts when planning the video, but I only clamped it for the attack on the shackle, I tried to replicate it being 'loose' as much as i could for the main cut, but making allowances for filming.
How much more resistant to an angle grinder is the X3 - it’s a fair wedge more and heavier ?
Scissor jack opens these up straight away
A scrote with an angle grinder would have been using a battery powered version, would a battery even last? He's unlikely to have 2 batteries and 4 discs in his pocket. Good test.
And the battery ones. Are generally not as powerful
@@mancavemoto now imagine the litelock x3 xd 😂 even with the best dewalt 60v flexvolt battery ur still going to need al least half an ouhr and multiple discs and batteries because most of the battery powered angle grinders have antikickback if they feal too much force againts the disc then they turn off so ye and thats all just for the x1 lock for the x3 it takes 1ouhr to cut it fully by that time police coud have been there 3 times u coud have whent home and brought out ur baseball bat and riot pepper spray xd 😂
I bought the X3 which I use on my ST1300 Pan European and my e-bike. It’s a great lock and worth buying just for peace of mind.
@@mancavemoto
there now using 54v dewalt grinders
@@Maykay1312 It doesn't take a half hour to cut man what are you talking about? They're really good locks but come on. Don't exaggerate them or fall for marketing. I've seen the X3 get cut in about 5 mins.
If I go somewhere I know I'm going to leave my e-bike alone for a few minutes (in an unsafe area) I have both the Litelok X1 and X3 and a heavy 16mm chain keeping it safe. My e-bike ain't going anywhere. These locks are a real deterrent which I bought thanks to your video. Cheers pal 👍🏻
Jesus where do you carry all that. That’s my only hassle is carrying all those locks they add up to some weight in my backpack and my back starts hurting.
@oskarvnz I know what you mean, I stick it all in a bag on the pannier rack. Let the bike take some responsibility for it's safety 😆🤘🏻
That's brilliant is that, I'm definitely buying one for my Busa.
Bike theft has rocketed lately and I definitely want the best I can get.
Cracking test mate, thanks for showing us how brilliant this lock is 👌👌👌
Thanks!
I always appreciate how you do your reviews (of any product) and it never seems like you're partial to the manufacturer's claims. Since, as you said, I'm not going to buy two of something expensive just to test one out, this would be the only way to truly know if it works as "advertised". Thank you
I went to buy one to do a comparison, but the only one I could find locally was a £60 Oxford lock, and I didn’t fancy chucking that much money down the drain…
Thanks for a good review Tony. As others have said the wildlife out there are not likely to be carrying around 240 or 110 grinders, they’ll move on to easier pickings. I’ll get an X1 to go along with my lock & loop chain & heavy disc lock.. make the buggers sweat a bit if they want my bike
What a beast! This litelock paired with a chain lock will be my go-to.
I'll be buying one in the new year. Fantastic bit of kit
I bought a litelok X1 in January I am very happy with it , plus it goes through the hub of my GS
Handy!
Also now the litelok X3 which is even tougher.
Well done for making a product that actually does make scroat bike thief’s job much harder.
I have now got both the x1, x3 and the hiplock 1000D. Heavy investment, but I have more than one object to secure😎
If it was made in Germany (like Abus), people would be talking about German quality / reliability. If I understand correctly, it’s made in Great Britain so let’s get behind it people! I’ve ordered one 👍
Good review, I'm sold. It's not cheap, but neither is my bike.
Yep, my thoughts exactly
Good review Tony, nice to see new developments in security
Thanks
The best deterrent would be way harsher charges for stealing peoples hard earned property police couldn’t give two turds nowadays it’s pathetic
I Disagree America has the longest sentences for crimes in the world and still has more people locked up than any other country per capita. Its better to train people and give them better opportunities to gain meaningful employment to reduce crime like the Netherlands which has the lowest re-offending in Europe
@@kurtismoore476 let’s keep giving them a slap on the wrist so they repeat offend then 😂
Police don't set the punishments, the government and justice system do.
@@firstname4865true. But the government or justice system doesn’t investigate or arrest do they?
In fact, neither do the Police!
Not even close. We've been doing that for millennia mate. Meaningful consequences are needed but the only way to stop theft is to create a healthy society.
I was prepared to be underwhelmed. I'm impressed. Unless in a secluded area I don't think anyone is going to have the patience to cut this lock.
I think often thats the best you can hope for, they'll either no bother or move onto the next one when its evident that its going to take longer than expected.
2nd fastest I've seen 33 seconds to beat! Well done
Cool video! The best of the best is the litelok x3 but this is already very tuff to beat.
Excellent test ! Im pretty sure a battery grinder wouldnt have the same power as a 240v one either, so bloody good lock. I know bikes have been carried away , but its a good deterent Im sure.
Thanks Roger, indeed that was my thoughts.
I living in Neighborhood to American General Consulate in Germany Frankfurt. No Bikethief has any Chance to steal my Bike. Some Cameras from the Security looks in my Property. Police needs just one Minute ti reach me. This great Bikelock resists till the Police is there
Excellent and truthful, real life review Tony, thank you
I may buy one on the back of this
Thanks, thts what I was trying to do. It did surprise me how tough it actually was
Clearly a top-quality product, Tony.
IT does seem it
That's an incredible lock, most bike stealing scabs are not going to have the time to change the disc mid lock, especially multiple times. Very impressive especially given the convenient looking size.
Given that most of the scrote's that carry out these attacks/thefts use a battery powered grinders and I doubt they'd have spare disks with them, I think that after a 30 second assault on the Litelok X1 they'd give up and move on to an easier target. I find a disc lock + chain is a good way to ensure your pride and joy is where you left it, especially in high theft area's like our major cities.
Great demo of the Barronium/rubber compounds ability to eat grinder discs, hopefully LiteLok sent that to you to 'kill' rather than you spending your own money for the destructive demo?
I beg to differ. The diamond covered discs (the ones used for masonry) will cut through these locks like knife through butter in a matter of seconds.
Great review, Tony. While you’ve displayed the cut time, what was the total time it took you start to finish to cut through the lock?
Bearing in mind any scum with an angle grinder is going to have the same issues, the total attack time is likely to be much longer than a few minutes.
Thanks in advance.
Good point, if you take into account the disc changes you’ll be adding about 3 to four minutes to the actual cut time
@@mancavemoto Thanks, Tony
Great test. I would have wanted to see a couple different disks, though. At very least regular cutting disks with aluminium oxide, silicon carbide and ceramic abrasive materials plus a basic diamond cutting disk. I guess regular thief probably has only basic disk but considering thiefs do not pay for their tools, using a more expensive disk would be a no-brainer for a thief. I would guess one of those would cut LiteLok pretty easily, probably the diamon cutting disk.
Thanks, Its a popular belief that diamond cutting discs are faster, however they are designed to last longer and do not cut quicker. I asked advice from a steel fabricator and engineer who advised using 'standard' fibre slitting discs as they are the quickest at cutting steel.
@@mancavemoto It depends on material. If you're trying to cut ceramics, diamond disc is *also* much faster in addition to making higher quality cut. As we don't know what exact material LiteLok is made of, it would make sense to try multiple different discs to figure out which tool you should use.
Using incorrect disc would be like trying to pick a disk detainer lock using pin tumbler lock picks and then declaring that disk detainer locks cannot be picked at all.
Well, yeah....but I could get through it with oxy acetylene or a plasma cutter, but you have to look at what the scrote bags are actually using.
They're using nicked battery grinders with basic cutting or even grinding discs in the main as these will very much get through less robust locks, no problem.
Top video and a top product judging by your grinder test. Thanks for the demolition.
Thanks, and yet definitely a tough nut in terms of angle grinder attack
The position would also help locking through part of bike where you would need two cuts. I’m thinking of going for this just for a bicycle
Great review / test. Just got one
I’d still be interested to see a diamond disc. I appreciate they may have differing cut speeds, but also different construction and the USP of the lock is destroying a conventional disc, not diamond…
Diamond is just for stone,tiles and concrete.I tried to cut metal with a diamonddisc ,you´re just hitting metal on metal.
The Material resistance is quite impressive.
Though the wear on the angel Grinder is because of way to much force and not holding it straight as you said yourself, you can see the disc disintigrating in a few crucial moments.
Other than that a battery powerd 6 Inch Angelgrinder with possibly higher surface speed and higher quality discs would perform somewhat better.
A Handhelf Hydraulic Rebar cutter for that size would be interessing to see.
That's the affect of the armouring attacking the disc, you can see it happen in other cut tests on this lock.
Bikes n Beards has review of this lock too and they had to get generator powered heavyduty tool to cut trough it.
there's a vid on here where someone used a high powered AG, but it still took a while to cut thru!
Another question: how long will it endure an attack by a diamond wheel that doesn't wear down and cuts faster?
Diamond wheels generally don’t cut faster, if anything they are a little slower than fibre slitting discs. The difference is as you point out they last longer, so in this case would not have required changing saving the time that took
@@mancavemoto Thank you for your thoughts about the use of a diamond wheel on a bike lock. I asked elsewhere as well and you both agree that using a diamond disk would have no real advantage for a thief, probably counter productive for them. Some good news, one less thing to worry about.
Thank for taking the time to make this video 👍…… Everyone that puts these locks to the test seems to use a standard 1 mm cutting disc, How will the locks fair up against a quality diamond blade ?
From what I’ve been told diamond discs are better at cutting concrete and stone etc. my brother is a steel fabricator and he uses the fibre discs until it gets to something that need a oxy acetylene torch or plasma cutter
@@mancavemoto, I’m not trying to start an argument, like I said appreciate you taking the time to make theses videos.
I am a builder & I use diamond discs to cut through concrete lintels with steel bars in them also use them to cut rebar’s
@@EmsillCazm I appreciate that, but as you’ll know not all diamond discs are the same. A good one will last longer, but not necessarily cut faster?As I mentioned my brother works with steel and they still use the fibre ones until they need to go to gas or plasma.
Nice one Tony. Merry Christmas 🎄 and a happy new 🎉 year to you and yours and I’ll see you about in 2023
Thanks Jamie, you too. Looking forward to catching up
Its an excellent extra lock to have because you can fit this over a lot of rear tyres.
@@Pheeb-Hello you attach it too something immovable
All they'll do is cut through whatever it's attached to because that's likely to be the weaker material
Great review Tony, that is one tough lock.
It sure is
Interesting test, I’m hoping they will provide you with one of their ‘cable’ style locks to to test as well.
Thank you!
You're welcome!
Isn’t rubber already plant based?
nice test.... but who would turn up with a wired grinder to attack that lock!!! tough lock
That is very impressive indeed.
It was much harder than I expected it to be.
I'm not sure I know everything about angle grinders but your test should have used a cordless one, since obviously that's what a thief might be carrying, and perhaps not a Bosch, as that's a good piece of kit
I wasn't trying to replicate a theft, I was showing the resistance to grinding. Just for the record this was a 110v grinder running through a transformer
@@mancavemoto Cool, that's fair. Helpful review! Thanks
From my experience as an electrician using 2x DeWalt 18v angle grinders with 4 and 5ah batteries cutting through steel on a somewhat regular basis, over the last few years, there's not a big difference compared to 240v/wired angle grinders.
If I were a bike thief I'd much rather cut through the steel bar frame instead of such locks they're attached to.
I've got the X1, and recently also ordered the combo X3 with Core Plus 100 chain from Litelok, for my £1800 e-bike. So I'm far more sceptical of what public frame I lock onto.
Hopefully any potential thief would try to cut through the locks instead of the steel public frame, that would proper fak him up.
@@TomGB-81 Thank you for sharing your experience. I'm glad my comment wasn't viewed as snarky (this is the internet, after all). Very interesting
Been looking at this lock for while. Being a victim of 3 stolen vehicles over the 20 years of owning motorcycles (all locked with various locks). I'm definitely in the market for something tougher. Been considering the x3 but the £250 price tag put me off a little. The x1 does a very similar job for £100 less. I could essentially get 2 for nearly the price of one x3. Thanks for the review, looks good
Yep its a toss up between hopw much you pay for the added security. But this does seem to do a very good job, at the end of the day all you can do is try to slow down or put off a potential thief.
Would honestly say, two of the X1's would work better than one X3, if they have to cut one off the front and one off the rear, they'll be at it for far too long, most won't even bother, just too much effort when someone else in town has theirs locked up with a £10 chain from the local garden center.
I've had a glance at their website, and while they have a French site (where I live) they don't mention SRA approved. Only SRA are recognised by insurances. Perhaps you could let them know as there's no contact info available, I'm sure it would pass and they need it to sell here.
Thanks, I’ve passed the info on
I would've liked to see you use a diamond cutting wheel as that would be the obvious choice if I was doing this ! Maybe if you haven't already disposed of the lock ! Because I also feel that will be the thieves next weapon of choice !
Diamond wheels last longer but don’t necessarily cut faster. The time saved would be on having to not change discs.
@@mancavemoto My point was the lock appears to me to be a ceramic type of composite which defeats the grinding wheel by clogging and overheating it ! If you look at most diamond style cutting wheels they have slits cut in the blade to prevent clogging (they are normally used in construction to cut concrete etc ) that along with the diamond element as well as not needing to change the blade I don't think these offer any more protection to someone who understands this ! So I would have liked to see them tested with a more appropriate wheel !
I’d like to see some of these locks tested with mobile, battery grinders that the thieves carry. I bet it would take a lot more to get through it with one of those.
Yep, it certainly would
search for "LiteLok X1 Moto - How Angle Grinder resistant is it?"
Good review Tony, looks like a very good product.
Yep, i think this and a disc lock is a good option. Easy to transport and probably enough of a deterrent
Good , honest review as always.👍
Cheers
Ok Thank you for your input to an important issue! There are cordless bolt cutters as well of course! Maybe the only bike you should ever lock up should be a Beater bike as the Yanks call it !
That lock was impressive I must say !
Thank you for your input !😀
First of all, i would be surprised if a bad guy has 4 discs on hand to cut two gaps out of that lock. And I would be shocked if he was willing to stand there 8 minutes grinding away.
I'm ordering that lock tomorrow morning
Exactly!
That looked hard work.Thanks mate.
No worries
You can't get a true result with a mains powered grinder? Should be battery powered. The mains grinder is 800 watts a Dewalt 18v grinder is 405 Watts.
Yep a battery powered grinder is likely to be slower. I’m demonstrating that it’s resistant to cutting the method of power of the grinder is largely irrelevant.
Good to see a destruction test 🙂
Cheers
Purchased 2 one on the front and one on the rear.
where is you hearing protection?
Looks like the best lock around! No thieve will spend that time on a lock and have 3 disks on him. Grear review
Thanks
👍 Great review of a quality D lock
Cheers
Cuando llega a Perú esa marca de candado ,los ciclistas estamos esperando
I think no matter what you fit if they want it , there having it. But to be fair to the lock it stood up reasonably well .
Yep, if they want the bike they’ll get it. But if you can make it harder maybe they’ll go after someone elses
I disagree. Put a 19mm or 21mm Pragmasis chain and an Abloy 362 High Security lock + RL21 Roundlock and no son of a hound scumbag will be able to get your bike. Couple that with a locked gate and something like a Guardsman security barrier + alarm then it'd be impossible for the scumbags to even lift the bike over a barrier unless they spend 2 hours plus trying to steal your bike in which case they'd be caught by then. Just put something which takes an hour + to compromise. All the above might cost around £700 but if your bike is worth 10 times that or more then its worthwhile because the locks with last you a lifetime. Over a 20 year riding career that's only £35 per year, cheapest insurance and peace of mind you'll ever have.
I'd think and interesting test of this lock to a standard d lock would be to use a bench mounted metal saw with an abrasive disk. Hang say 10lbs on the handle and time how long it takes to cut through each. I know you probably don't have that equipment, but maybe someone else who watches does.
Ah yes, this is a really common theft technique in the street...
@@sometimes_riding7008 As he says in the video one disk was trashed due to poor technique. So a better skilled attacker could do that cut with only 2 discs and way faster.
By making a test bench that always attacks the lock in a perfect way the result you get is a score that you know no human attacker can ever reach. So you know for sure whatever the conditions and the attacker skills they will never steal your bike faster than that.
Just had mine through the post...Its miles better than my other 2 'Gold Secure' D-Locks....Ha!
The one I did, with battery grinder ofc, took 3.30 seconds, 3 blades, and only had to cut one side to get it off. 3.30 is okay but still not good enough.
I dont know, the camera angle change and then the cuting disk seem less wide
Are you suggesting I’ve edited the footage?
Wonder if it would make It easier if you put a blow touch to it to heat it up then tried to grind it ? Should try it
Good question, I don’t know….
A great practical review. I just wish it was a lot cheaper, but then I hear people say, what price do you put on your bike. I still think it's expensive. cheers
Cheers, yep I suppose what price do you put on security?
I am impressed
You had to use two hands to hold the grind to cut the luck if they made the lock more flexible it would make the luck more harder to cut?
I was only holding with two hands to try and keep the disc steady 😂
Great demo. Wonder how a diamond wheel would handle that lock?
Diamond wheels tend to be used for concrete and stone, although there are ones designed for steel. They will last longer, but not necessarily cut faster.
I was thinking the same.Great product & not heavy like chains & be mobile carry in a bag or pannier along with a disc lock 🔒 for the front wheel.
@@mancavemoto Thanks.
I work in the building trade these blades your using are a joke try with a diamond tipped cutting wheel and I can bet you get through two cuts in a fraction of the time , I still think any lock is better than nothing as a deterrent
These cutting discs are used to cut heavy duty steel and are more likely what would be used in the battery powered grinders. It’s a definitely a deterrent.
Nice to see but as already said I've yet to see it tried with a battery grinder to give a true representation.
A battery grinder would take longer I would say, the motors generally don’t have as much torque.
Can anyone tell me the difference between the litelok x3 Moto and the litelok x3 bicycle? They are slightly different colors but are they different sizes and materials. The site doesn't specify. Thank you for your help in advance!
its the same, people just kept nagging litelok support if it works for bikes so they just made same product have two names
You really need a grinder resistant lock ! - adding in a chain is a good idea as it's hard to hold the chain link steady whole cutting !
Above pertains to bicycles especially good racers and mountain bikes and is a no brainer for an electric bike!
Actually Electric Bike owners are unbelievably naive in their lock selection if what I am seeing is representative ?
They SHOULD be using above or similar products 😮 !
Great review Tony, i hope you also get a chance to test the X3 which will be out, hopefully in February. It’s, apparently even stronger than the X1.
Thanks, hopefully so
A thieves most precious thing is “time” if it’s going to take too long, it’s not worth it. They are more likely to find an easier target. Also if the thief knows the cost of the lock they can bet the owner probably has more tricks up his sleeves. There might be a hidden alarm or even an Apple air tag somewhere. The goal is to make it look not worth their time because time is something they won’t get back if they waste it, specially on something that’s going to eat up your grinder wheels reducing your opportunity for another target.
What cutting discs was you using?
Fibre Slitting Discs
would this fit through the link of a 12mm chain.
You could cut it a lot faster just by using a metal cutting diamond blade or go all out a use a Shihl cut-off saw with a diamond blade which would do it in an instant. Blink and you'll miss it.
Also, a thief in the street would most likely be using a small battery angle grinder which would not be as powerful as a corded machine. They might even need more than one battery.
Diamond blades last longer but dont necessarily cut faster. Its not having to change the disc that would speed up the attack. A Stihl cut off saw is pretty big to be lugging about on a scooter in tracksuit bottoms lol, and the diamond blades for those are more commonly used for concrete. Its not an infallible lock obviously, but it stands above standard d locks in terms of protection.
If a thief could afford a Stihl saw,they wouldn't have to pinch bikes
Is it worth the extra £100 for the X3 & X3 Moto (same locks according to the manufacturer) over an X1 or X1 Moto (once again, same locks, just different targeting of bikers over cyclists) ?? !!
Also, would these LiteLoks fit under the seat of a Honda Zoomer / Ruckus for example on the built in carrying points for a D / U Lock 🧐
Great review and keep up the good work 👍🏻
The X3 is tougher with a stronger lock, but its also heavier. So hard to say without getting my hands on one. I'm not familar with the Zoomer, but the X1 does seem to be a standard size D-lock.
@@mancavemoto thanx for the info, the Zoomer is a fun little 50cc urban scooter from Honda, called the Ruckus in other markets
Pity no longer available new, but was certainly well ahead of it’s time 🛵👍🏻
Sorry, I mean’t I don’t know it to tell
If it would fit. I know what it is. They look like a lot of fun
@@mancavemoto thanx, probably my misunderstanding 🙈🤣
So this is a test with a mains grinder with the lock in a vice. It shows us how tough the lock is, but it's not a real life situation with the lock attached to a bike, attempted with a battery grinder. OK.
I don’t own a battery grinder, but the point is that the mains grinder will be more powerful than a battery one, so the cut time should be even longer. If you watch the video properly the lock isn’t clamped into a vice, it’s looped around a work bench, so there’s movement in it. If you want to bolt one you York bike and go at it with a grinder be my guest. I’m not sure why people seem to be so keen to see this product fail? Odd
@@mancavemoto No one wants to see this product fail. Quite the opposite. I'm not sure why you deduct that from my post. It would probably be more difficult with a battery operated grinder with the lock attached to a bike. People want to see real life situations. That's not so hard to understand.
What if they diamond coated the lock ?
Excellent review! I always thought that nothing could withstand those 1mm cutting discs, i am very impressed and may buy one. Are you planning to do an update using a diamond disc on the other side of the "U"?
Cheers Steven, I might do as quite a few people raised the question. Diamond discs are designed to last longer, but dont necessarily cut any faster. The time saved would be in not having to change discs.
@@mancavemoto Wouldn't it be poetic justice if somebody invented a composite armour coating that totally destroyed the cutting disc and sent shards of it into the face of the thief. I'm guessing that it's probably been invented but companies are prevented from using it because of human rights or similar, can't have the poor misunderstood scumbag getting hurt. 😉
@@stevenhill6214 composite cutting edges wouldn’t help because the other composite material is strong enough it’ll eat it away too! it’s the highly abrasive nature of composite that kills these blades. the only way you’d get through one of these quickly is with an industrial water jet which isn’t exactly portable lol
@@octagonPerfectionist HaHa....good point!
@@stevenhill6214 you should look into composite tank armour :) it’s the same concept. the ceramic is so hard that when it shatters and ablates away and basically eats away at the projectile until it’s gone. same thing here!
Most comforting.
As with any lock it has to be easy to carry and accessible, or people won't bother with the faff.
Perhaps a good bracket to attach it to the bike ehen riding , that came with it would help?
Not every bike has boxes.
Underseat storage is OK on my bike. But a race rep or similar? Not sure.
Might make a good vlog.
Either way good review and good to know?
Happy, safe travels 👍
I forgot to mention that it comes with carry mount, but it’s probably more suitable for a bicycle.
Why didn't you try a diamond grit cut off blade for you tests?
Because they don’t cut as fast as a fibre disc, they just last longer
Cuál es la marca del candado, para comprar una ,si la venden en mi País
Litelok X1
There is enough left of the lock, Could you not conduct another test using a quality diamond disc?
Diamond discs are generally used for concrete and stone, and the metal specific ones are expensive. The difference would be that they last longer, so wouldn't require the disc changes, but generally they don't cut any faster
@@mancavemoto …. But surely this would reflect on the time the thief takes to cut through the lock because he doesn’t have to stop and change discs, You said that liteLok supplied this lock for the test, I’m beginning to think they’ve told you not to use a diamond cutting blade because the times to cut through would be quicker even if the cutting times were the same the inconvenience of changing the disc’s would add time to the test
You should've used a diamond cutting disc.
They last longer but don’t cut any quicker
@@mancavemoto I see. I never compared them. I just buy the diamond discs for cutting. But what you say makes sense.
So its not grinder resistant then.....
Be curious how it holds up to the likes of the newyork d-lock, i know that ones pretty tough, and less than half the price, so you could buy 2 of them for the same price as the litelok x1
Well only if you want to argue over semantics I suppose. It ‘resists’ grinder attack more than normal d-locks.
New York faggataboutit d locks are an angle grinders dream, and cut in seconds.
I wonder what damage they'll do to the bike trying to cut one of these locks off?
Thats the risk with any lock i guess, sometimes they'll move on, sometimes they'll damage the bike out of spite.
Thieves generally use a battery powered grinder, that do not sustain the same power as a 112 volt or 230/40 volt unit.' which of course means the 'little Scrouts' have to change batteries as well as discs..Anything that slows them..[thief] ..up has to be an advantage..
Yep exactly
Cool Video!
Thanks!
Thanks but should have tested with a battery powered grinder which would probably be less powerful.
But the idea wasnt to replicate, you can see how long it took with a mains powered grinder, so it seems obvious a battery one would take longer no?
@@mancavemoto Of course we can deduct. But would it be even possible to do it with a battery powered grinder within a « reasonable » time ?
You can unlock it with the key that unlocks all the locks. -3 sec the lock and the bike will be gone
The mythical key that unliocks all locks! 👐
Where are the locks for etricks?
I don't undersand the question
@@mancavemoto 3 wheeler electric bike
Ah OK 🤷♂️
More difficult to cut if not in a vice and moving about on a bike…. Spreader attack?
Its not in a vice.....sadly I didn't have a spreader to attack with, but equally in most cases neither do the thieves
@@mancavemoto ,.. I’m not being critical, you did an informative video. I’m just pointing out that it would add a more lengthy degree of difficulty if the lock was rattling about on a bike frame and maybe also cause blade failures. Spreaders are difficult to use if the lock is full. I just lost my second bike to thieves. There won’t be a third!
Oh I get you I wasn't being combative, I just wanted to clarify it wasn't clamped. I had it fitted to the workbench to try and simulate the sort of movement it would get on a bike, and its possible to move it into a similar position to the one I used on a bike. What I didnt want to do was bolt it onto my bike and try to attack it for two reasons 1. The risk of damaging the bike and 2. the risk of not being able to cut through it and then not being able to get it off the bike 😂
@@mancavemoto.. got it. Actually when pounding out the above I got to thinking about accidental grinder marks on a bike frame. Might not be a bad thing to simulate. That would diminish if not kill the resale value?
Did you send the pieces back to them?
I still have it here at the moment.
Should’ve used battery powered grinder like the Ives use
Why?
Corded offers more torque which almost certainly no thief will be using as they are not portable
Yep, so what real difference would that have made to the video? The battery powered one is likely to take longer to make the cut, but it wouldn’t change the story other than that. I already have the corded grinder and most people would understand that a battery version would take even longer.
These locks are only as strong to what ever they are attached too, which will always be weaker rendering the lock useless
I bought one of these.
Two things.
First of all the cardboard box that came in was incredibly hard to open. Minor point, but bloody annoying.
Then they were next to no instructions.
I couldn’t see where the key went.
There was a white section in the middle, but I thought that had to be removed because it looked like a solid white plastic cover.
After various attempts to remove it, I looked at a RUclips video and saw by chance that the key went there.
Pretty pissed off that such an expensive product is so badly presented with so little information 😡
I've got one - bit worried about you if you couldn't open the cardboard box it came in 😂 Also, aside from the Barronium coating, its a standard d-lock, so only really one place the key could go? There's a QR code inside the box which leads to extra information - maybe you missed that too?
@@ryanridesbikes1978
I could open it eventually, but it was some super weird design. That was just a pain in the arse when you just want to simply open the bloody box!
All the D-locks I’ve previously had the key one end or the other.
As you know from the lock, the plastic cover where the key goes is completely plastic and it just would’ve helped to have something point out that’s where key goes - like a sticker. As nothing said I was at first trying to remove the white bit ! 😫
Anyway … got there in the end.
@@pippipster6767 You strike me as the reason why takeaway coffee cups need to have "contents may be hot" on them.
@@sometimes_riding7008
An extremely sensible warning !
Prevents people like you from burning themselves.
@@pippipster6767 😂
Doubt a battery powered grinder would have the same power.
What gets me is the videos of those scrotes cutting in broad daylight and nobody doing anything...
Yes my thoughts exactly. The problem is they start waving the grinders (and worse) in people’s faces. I can understand why people don’t step in.
You going risk your life for someone else’s insured property?
@@DaleMt09sp Depends on the situation and who I'm with. They get away with it because people let them get away with it and all the while putting everyone's insurance up.
More claims means higher insurance for us all.
But the theif would have a battery operated grinder no?
Yes, so it would take longer to cut through
Easy _ scissor jack opens em right up
make a video and show us.....
Great news , those scroats as mentioned, now miss the locks and go straight through your brake disk , brilliant 🤪😡😡
Yep, thats whydisc locks are not as secure a method as they used to be.