Hiplok D1000 vs Litelok X3: Angle Grinder Test
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
- Angle grinding the Litelok X3 and the Hiplok D1000
A few points about this video:
1. The angle grinder is a mains powered 720w Makita (GA5030R).
2. Despite trying to make this a laboratory style test, to determine which is the most angle grinder resistant, there are too many variables to make any definite conclusions: it was too close.
Another test may have different results. But both are extremely angle grinder resistant!
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This test was not designed to replicate street conditions, where the thieves would use battery powered angle grinders and wouldn't have the benefit of clamps. It was designed to compare the angle grinder resistance of the two locks. To see which was more secure. Using a mains powered grinder and clamps reduces variability (in power and movement), which might make the test less accurate.
Cheers for doing this test, i've been down a rabbit hole after comparing these 2 locks for my new E-Mtb. I can't imagine battery powered grinders would get through either of these bikes on 1 charge. I live in Liverpool UK, and i've had my previous Mtb attempted stolen while i was in the local takeaway watching my bike, by 2 kids that lived in my street lol. I got to it before they rode it off but i'm very very aware of how stealable E-Mtbs are especially in my city, so this video is amazing, thank you!
Your email does not work. Can you try grinding these two locks at the part right where the shackle meets the lock body (while the lock is put together and locked... with the shackle in the lock body)? I want to see something. Please video it.
Does the given time also include disc replacement or just cutting?
@@radekkaczynski9527 Just the cutting. If I included the disc replacement, the time would be much longer.
@@artofthereal I recently purchased a Hiplok D1000 and can confirm that at least with the D1000, the shackle reinforcement visibly extends significantly into the lock body (when the lock is open you can see the shackle reinforcement extending from the rubber sleeve) to prevent this type of attack. I can't confirm whether the Litelok has the same feature, as I have never tried to cut one, don't own one, and haven't seen videos of that kind of attack being tested.
This video has just sold thousands of these two locks, both excellent choices!
yeah, i just ordered the litelok lol.
@@lightend100 received mine not long ago, took around 3 to 4 weeks after ordering to get it. its heavy but worth it.
300 bucks a pop for the X3
@@TheJHMAN1 worth it if you have an expensive bike that you want to keep. £300 better than a gone bike
Still won't make a difference
Yep, received my Litelok last week from seeing this video, and others, and deciding to order one, and despite the annoying rattling when riding so I travel with it in two parts, this helps to add a bit of confidence that my bike will still be there when I get back to it, which is all any of us can ask of a lock. Thank you for taking the time to demonstrate this.
Good test - I was surprised the Hiplok needed 5 disks tho, I was thinking the Litelok would need more disks. But yeah, I think any cutting that takes more than 2 or 3 disks to cut through is good enough for most lockups.
I'm in the camp that if I feel I am parked in a location that gives me concern (dodgy area), or that I may be inside longer than I feel comfortable, I will bring my bike inside with me. I have been fortunate so far that many businesses that I have dealt with are bicycle favorable and have allowed me to bring my bike inside their premises for meetings, but in general I do confirm before any visits on their bike policy. On those occasions when I confirmed they didn't allow bikes inside I adjust my travel according - Uber, taxi or Transit/walk.
Now all we need is the same material in a chain version if that’s possible
Yep exacly this more flexibility with locking ur bike plus u can lock it to thicker metal poles so they cannot be cut
Everything can be cut
I feel like either of these locks is about as strong as a bike lock could ever need to be, because at some point a thief would have an easier time cutting through whatever your bike is locked to.
Yep, we will need to start being careful about what we are locking our bike to
@@TheBestBikeLock a security guard with a RPG
@@MOTO_LEW put some knock out powder in the center of the lock bad that knocks them out for at least one day, gives plenty of time to tie the theif and to what you want.
@@aszthrotep4632 The closest a bicycle lock comes to having "knock out powder" is the Skunklock. So far 60 attempts at bicycle theft and zero successes, company wide.
@@lazurm didnt they change it after first version so it became "weaker"(laws and regulations etc)? and i cant get the skunk lock here :(
Great tests and thank you for leaving the time to cut at the end! Was curious about corded cuts, I think it's still important to consider so happy you did the "worst case scenario"
Thank you for taking the time and putting in the effort.
This is a great demonstration how duct tape can be used instead of a clamp or vice. Good job.
LOL
Fantastic test.
Problem with these locks though is what do you lock them to? Most bike stands would be cut through far more quickly.....
Yep we need to start being more careful where we lock our bikes. Maybe if the thieves start damaging the city's property rather than our bikes, the authorities will start taking bike crime more seriously?
I usually use the metal parking sign posts (in the USA). Look for anything thick and made of metal: bike racks, metal fence posts, etc. If possible, buy one of the thick chains, at least 16mm, if you need to reach to something.
But you could also use motion detectors, GPS trackers, sound alarms, make a visit to you local gun shop, etc., to protect your prized possession.
That's true but it's always good to lock it through the wheel and frame that way they can't just ride it away without destroying the wheel as well and just put an alarm tracker and your good
Depends on the stand/rack. Some have multiple points of contact they would need to cut through that also takes time, even if not as hardened.
You can thread it through both disc rotors and use with chain
Nice test, most useful comparison on the web. Thanks 🙏
Amazing. Thank you so much for making this video!
Good video! I have D1000 and although I really like it, I agree with some of the comments regarding size. I'm tempted to save up and get an x3 as well as the D1000 just fits my back wheel and frame, the x3 would be the more practical lock. Bike theft is really common in my area.
You can cut the rubber off your d1000, wrap waterproof tape around it(bicycle tape), and then you'll have way more space to play with, in regards to fitting it around a rear tyre. If it helps I have both d1000 and x3, x3 is way better for size, but I prefer the d1000 locking mechanism, so easy to unlock and never feel like it'll get stuck locked from dirt and grease build up. Whilst x3 seems to struggle to unlock at times.
@@firstname4865 that's good to know, thank you. I agree, the D1000 has a nice lock that's easy to lock and unlock when you're at a funny angle. My previous lock, the kryptonite new york fahgettaboudit had a lock similar to what you describe with your x3, it used to scare me sometimes, it was fussy to unlock.
@@JimboJammy yeah, the x3 key/lock style I'd say is better than the x1 and kryptonite for sure. Deffo not a fan of abus plus lock style either.
I had to return my d1000 because it was too small to go over my tire. I hated to send it back . The feel alone was amazing. The look was cool and different. The weight felt heavy duty and solid. There was no clicking around sound. And i like that it was compact. It is definitely on my favorite lock list.
Hiplok should release a larger lock in may. Hiplok dx1000
It's available at rei, just bought one 😁
For what it's worth, I think the LiteLokX3 offers a slight advantage over the D1000 when it comes to bike locking because of it's slightly larger width and length around the tires,
I think it's also like 50.00 cheaper ? but you still need hidden GPS tracking devices for your 500 to 5000.00 valuable stuff your trying to keep secure, because I've seen youtube demonstration's
where criminals just use cheap cardboard to cover and hide the flying sparks as they grind away and average people on the street just ignore the theft in progress,
True, but the hiplock is noticably lighter.
the litelok also takes over a full minute longer to cut through the 2 sides
Seeing the locks tested in ideal (for the theif) situations is very helpful
Great test. And I bet the Litelok would do even better when it's not hold into place like that, some other youtuber said it feels like it grabs onto the disc and I bet that has to do with side movement.
I know what they mean: any kind of lateral movement catches and rapidly accelerates the destruction of the disc
I have watched several videos testing bike locks. No one has actually done the tests under ALL of the following conditions. 1. Use portable grinder popular with thieves. 2. Include in the tests the time to change out blades and batteries on the portable grinders. In real life that time would add to cutting the locks. 3. Locking the bike locks in a more realistic scenario wrapping the rear wheel, frame and bike rack. 4. Additional second or third lock wrapping around front wheel, frame and bike rack. 5. Steps to take if you encounter thief while in progress.
But by introducing a load of difficult to control variables that would give a much less accurate idea of which was the most angle grinder resistant lock. Which was the point of this test.
Thanks for the test. Now I wonder how difficult these are to be picked.
The X3 has an advantage over the Hiplok here, as its Abloy cylinder is much harder to pick. I wouldn't worry too much about this though, as street thieves don't pick locks.
Hey, cool test! Great to see these two amazing locks go head to head. One thing I don't understand though, how come you have the Abus granit X Plus listed as the best high security lock on your website? Surely it should be one of these?
I just haven't updated the ratings properly for 2023 yet. It will probably be one of these two or the X1, which is a bit more affordable.
Yup, the game has changed!
Great video! Did you find any difference about how the material (Hiplok is made of a graphene composite, whereas Litelok is ceramic) behave against and angle grinder? Any idea about what is this yellowish material that is released when trying to cut the Hiplok? Do you think that one lock is better than other? I do not which one to choose 🤷♂... Thanks in advance.
Yep, there was definitely a difference. The Hiplok seemed to be almost "melting" the discs. With the Litelok it seemed more like the discs just weren't cutting as well, and it was more difficult to control the cutting, as the discs would jump about more. The "melting" probably accounts for why it took more discs to cut the Hiplok. In terms of which is the strongest, it's hard to be sure from this test, but they are both similar and more than strong enough. You'll get more internal locking space with the X3, so it would probably be better for e-bikes or other big frame/big wheel bikes. Whereas the Hiplok is more compact and about 15% lighter, if that's what's important.
It might just be best to use one of each on the same bike. I'm sure 10 minutes is too long for a thief in daylight. Probably choose nother target.
Like to see same test with battery power angle grinder. They often have less rpm and would be curious to see if the battery power would weaken over time as well.
Also trip out if they get to hot / over heat. Which might happen. Less torque as well.
I put an order in for a litelok ×3 just yesterday. After seeing this video. At the price of 249, faster delivery 279, but it shows up on my pay card $358.00$ wt wt. What kind of tricky is going on here 😂😂 . Im going to intercept the order.
tax?
A good test for relative strength. Probably more accurate to use a portable battery powered grinder as they have less power for time.
Thanks for this. I own and use both on my bike.
Both the hiplock AND the litelock?
This is the way. One on wach wheel, propped in a way that they can't roll it forward much if they break the steering lock. Of course they can just lift it into a van, but that's what the chain is for. Would love a chain made out of this stuff
Great video comparisson.
Would be interested to see how long a Sthil saw (big disc, petrol engine) takes to get through these locks. Most theives seem to steal one of those first nowadays and chop their way into shipping containers and through chains with ease.
Unless thieves are walking around with power generators to supply mains power to give serious torque for the angle grinders then either one of these are going to be fantastic security on the street.
Great video exactly what i was looking for.
Litelok X3 features an Abloy Sentry disc detainer lock, which requires a special tool with a specific picking tip in order to pick open the lock and a fairly experienced lock picker with fairly in-depth knowledge of the inner workings of the lock can pick it open. Hiplock D1000 features a slider lock, which only requires a thick strong paper clip and a bobby pin in order to pick open the lock and a novice lock picker with fairly basic knowledge of the inner workings of the lock can pick it open.
Thank you
Let’s be honest who is going to be able to that in real life surroundings and at the angles of some bike locks? I like lock picking but something that you may think is easy in home settings rarely works so on top of that you would need to be practicing none stop in different positions.
The chances of your regular thief learning all those techniques and implementing them on the street are going to be very rare
You didn't mention in the article that the Hiplock D1000 has a lifetime warranty, as opposed to the 12 months that come with the Litlock X3, which is quite important for everyday use in the UK's lovely weather.
Mmm I thought the X3 had a 3 year warranty, but it looks like you're right. The Hiplok lifetime warranty is 10 years. It's a good point though, I will update my articles. Thanks!
i own the hiplok and i hate it. its like a mini u lock so its difficult to find places to lock up in NYC. im gonna switch to the litlok it has a couple more inches of reach and seems like its just as resistant.
Why not use both
@@geegee8625 they both 300 dollars bruh
Yeah the D1000 is similar in size to the Fahgettaboudit as far as I remember. You could try stripping the protective material off the shackle. That will give you a bit more space. But the Litelok definitely gives you more options.
@@TheBestBikeLock I have the hiplok D1000 and the only hindrance is not being able to lock rear wheel/frame and bike post, but once I get the x3 im sure I can do both,
I was thinking that. In England lamp posts have got fatter and it's difficult to find stuff to lock my bike too. 🤣 Tall lamp post being my thing of choice.
Thanks for making and sharing this video...
If I may point out, the angle grinders were plugged in, not portable. Most portable can't match the power. In addition, the locks were mounted in an optimal manner for cutting. In the real world, I believe that both locks offer prime defense to grinder attacks.
My issue with the D-1000 is that the shackle interior space is too small for my e-bike to be practical.
I understand that the X3 is made from ceramics. Would ceramics be prone to a liquid Nitrogen attack?
I was not trying to replicate street conditions. I was trying to establish which of the two locks was more angle grinder resistant. This is easier with a mains grinder because 1) I don't have to worry about variability in battery charge 2) A mains grinder will cut them faster, so any other variability in my technique is less significant. I mounted them the way I did for the same reason: to reduce variability. The takeaway from this test is not that it's easy to cut these locks! It's the opposite.
@@TheBestBikeLock I thought that you had performed a good test. You had used the same tools on the same conditions. That was the most important part of testing. I was not attempting to be critical of your testing...
I had only mentioned the test conditions, so novice individuals might have a better understanding of the difference between testing in a shop vs real world conditions.
It is my humble belief that in real world conditions, the chance are that it would take more time to defeat the locks. That is all that I was suggesting.
Once again I thank you for making and sharing that video.
@@ilovephotography1254 Yep no worries, I didn't take it as a critical comment. I'm just trying to give you a succinct explanation. It would definitely take much longer in the street.
@@TheBestBikeLock ''much longer'' is very relative however, on a crowded street you would think 15 minutes is too long for a thief to be grinding away because of the noise issue, but, I 've seen a couple of youtube demonstratio's where the X3 and D1000 are defeated in this time frame, I think stealth GPS trackers are a must for expensive bikes,
if I were a criminal I would laugh at the stupidity of owners who think putting warning stickers of GPS enabled tracking on there property is helpful, it only helps me as the criminal to go looking for it and disable it,
Thanks for this, could you do one comparing the best chains while out, not the massive 22mm ones with ground anchors, like ones i can carry in my bag but still give decent protection, or are D locks just better in your opinion?
Which chains have you found so far? Curious because I’m looking for one right now
@@growlngames2286 I was looking at the Oxford monster 14mm chain with padlock, I heard that 14mm and up is pretty resistant to bolt croppers, comes in 1.2 1.5 or 2 metre length, Oxford seems to be a respected brand. Just need to pick a length, I've not tried any yet so can't say if they work. It's sold secure gold, if I remember there are a few sold secure diamond chains but am going to get a U-lock too.
@@ProWhitaker You need 16mm to be completely bolt cutter proof. But 14 mm is going to be good enough against the vast majority of thieves and bolt cutters. Especially if you keep it off the ground. I recommend Pragmasis chains.
Thanks, great test. After you had completed the cut on the first side did it feel like either lock could have twisted/forced/rotated to prevent the need to cut the other side? Curious.
No
The bike frame+rims and whatever you lock it to need to be made of the same stuff for the ultimate protection
Great lock for a motorcycle. Add an alarm and one can almost sleep at night.
One thing I've seen in other videos is that the litelok seems quite susceptible to twisting after the first cut.
If you've got a thin bike frame it's something to consider.
i agree, even here you can tell if locked to a thin enough piece of metal it can be twisted
You need to cut it twice, the diamond rated locks stop the rotation opening.
@@sometimes_riding7008 ruclips.net/video/PUwjh8J4uec/видео.html
@@windriver2363 I don't think there are any bike frames that thin though, are there?
@@sometimes_riding7008No, you don't. I've seen the X3 completely defeated with a single cut, because the tester was able to twist the shackle enough to clear the obstacle.
Ditto comment on using diamond discs for testing these grinder-resistant locks!
Does the total time for the 2 cuts include the changing of the discs?
Nope. And it's not just the extra time that would take in the street, it's the inconvenience for the thief as well as the fact that during the time of the change the thief is essentially "unarmed" and more vulnerable. Also worth noting: since the D1000 needed more discs, if we factor in the time to change the discs, the final results would be even closer.
Thanks buddy for your sacrifice to knowledge.
The difference between mains powered angle grinders and battery angle grinders is mains ones don’t have a cut out switch so therefore you can apply more downward pressure also with a battery one you will end up changing the battery as well
Can you do the test again with a diamond cutting disc?
And the cutting disc used is what? Wheels exist specifically to cut tool steel ceramic etc.
Est ce que les disques que vous utilisez sont de bonne qualité et sont ils prévus pour le métal.car il y a des disques pour tous types de matériaux
Regular metal cutting discs
Great video there. How about cutting them from the top ends, im sure i seen a video on d1000 and only one cut is needed at top end to open it
Im confused with Final results.
Cut 2 are total time with the first cut ? or time alone for cut 2 side ?
It takes less time when grinder motor is hot or you didnt hold grinder with same presure as Cut 1 ???
Cut 2 is the total time for both sides
@@TheBestBikeLock Thanks
Do you know if the Skunklock Carbon is just as durable as the D1000 and Litelok x3?
In my initial tests, it wasn't ruclips.net/video/qm9QOOS1dBM/видео.htmlsi=sPlYVFA_nietxczK. I may have had a faulty one though, as other people's tests showed it to be much stronger.
Looking to get either the Lite Lock X3 or the Hiplock D1000 to use for both my Motorcycle and Bicycle which one would you recommend?
Kaufe einfach beide. Ich nutze HiplokD1000, Litelock X1 und Litelock X3
The X3 will probably work best with a motorcycle as it's bigger
Lol, alles klar...xD
Does anyone have a thought on which one would work best on my Ruff-Cycles Ruffian E-bike? Thank you for your input!
Anyone knows the size of mount bracket for Litelok X1? Cannot find anywhere...
I have the D1000. It’s awesome. Love that I don’t have to worry about someone cutting and stealing my bike. But, wish I would have gone with the X3. I thought the slight size difference would be insignificant, but the D1000 is just small. It means I never get to lock a wheel. And sometimes have a hard time even locking the frame. I also got the D1000 transport case, thinking I’d be able to strap it to my bike or my hip but totally not realistic. So heavy. And, I worry about the bare plastic clips wearing on my carbon frame. So, it goes in a backpack anyway.
Anyway, strapping a heavy metal lock to one's hip feels like a very very bad idea. It can turn any fall into a hip shattering or worse spine shattering experience. And we do fall on bikes.
Sorry, another question. If it was on the street how many batteries would you need carry?
I don't know. Would probably depend on the specific angle grinder
One. Actually you can cut 4 locks with just one battery.
couldn't someone add hair or some material to the locks to jam the Angle Grinder?
Where I live, they have bike upside down U's/loops planted in the ground. So by the train station, a friend of a friend had his Ebike locked there. They didn't bother with the lock they just cut through the "U" the bike and lock were attached to and took the bike! Seems like there is nowhere safe.
Could you do a test of Abus new angle grinder resistant lock, Super Extreme 2500?
Yep, I've got one, the test is coming soon
👏👏👏😎 great video, THANKS!!!
Really appreciate video.
I’ve had two motorcycles stolen and I’m heartbroken & angry.
If it’s not too much to ask- please test diamond blade.
You’ll be the first 😊
There is another video that uses a diamond blade. It was a bit quicker. But not much.
What about hydraulic cutter?
Imagine loosing a key or combination to these locks after locking your bike!
Imagine losing your bike because you didnt use a lock
@@thegoony Imagine carrying an Angle Grinder just in case you cant open your lock.
Both act as their own alarm. Anyone cutting one is lucky to have only the police show up. It’s easier to cut whatever they are attached to. Future bike security racks are going to need re-engineering.
Please test the core plus, go flexi u, one and the core flex.... but especially the core plus... and please test with a grinder, steel cutters (proper steal cutters), and please use a crowbar to try the twist method against them.
There is no point testing any other bike locks against an angle grinder in this way. They will all last seconds. The Fahgettaboudit lasted 16 seconds. Every other lock would last much less. The only locks that give any sort of resistance against are an angle grinder are the Litelok X1, Litelok X3 and the Hiplok D1000
Nice to see a comparison, probably spot on for the street as power drain on the grinder battery plus change of blades would hopefully be enough to deter thieves. How do they stack up with a diamond cut blade like a DeWalt Extreme Metal Cutting Disc
There has been a test with a Diamond blade (search the comments) and it was a bit quicker, but not as quick as I thought it might be.
Thanks pal
In the streets, any thief that has half a brain will not attack the lock, but whatever the lock is attached to ! With these grinder resistant locks, the weak link is no longer the lock but whatever the city provided to lock your bike to. And then they can charge the bike and its lock in a van and then take the time to cut the lock elsewhere. That's why I think comparisons between the locks are irrelevant, even the x1 is more resistant than most things the bike will be attached to.
With this reasoning, I think the x1 is by far the best lock - because it's lighter and cheaper and still good enough. And it's also longer than the D1000. So you can buy and carry two of these and lock the bike to two things that will need to be cut.
Portable bandsaw?
I'd like to see these locks tested with a stihl saw on full revvs i bet it'd be quick especially with the right blade on
Hey I recommend to you to test the abus super extreme 2500, it's called much saver than everything on the market atm.... Hmpf
Thank you
Can't find tests on the skunklok carbon anti grinder u lock. $179
I've just added a written review. thebestbikelock.com/best-u-lock/skunklock-carbon-review/. Video coming shortly.
Now we need bike stands made of the same material, its now probably quicker to cut the stand and take high value bikes away in a van. Dealing with the locks later in private.
I think it would be even harder to defeat fitted to the wheel , it would move around for sure.
and with diamond blade ?
Why is everyone touting the hip lock D1000?
So what if it took more discs and it was still cut faster, wasn't it?
That's the way it seems from the video, unless im missing something
No cos the video don’t count the time to change discs pretty easily to understand
A diamond disk will change results for sure,can you try maybe on the metal that you have left?just to see how they perform?thanks and this type of videos are more and more needed so we can choice wise.
Someone else did a test on one of these locks with a diamond cutter, and while it was quicker, it wasn't much quicker (certainly not as big a difference as I would have expected).
@TheBestBikeLock which of this 2 locks would you recommend?did they come with a frame mount?
@@florinb4668 Neither comes with a frame mount (you can buy separate carry straps for each though). The X3 is bigger so might be more practical, but there is a 30 - 60 day wait for delivery.
I'm convinced. Both are good. What do you recommend as a rope or chain for the quick release parts?
I would recommend something like Hexlox or Pitlock Pit Stoppers for the quick release parts.
Hexlox are more easily defeated. If you have something long and thin that pushes from the center outwards, like reverse tweasers, you can pull the little bits out.
Ive seen the Kryptonite Evolution 4 chain be recommended by the lockpickinglawyer, despite him being able to pick it.
I'm thinking hard on this. Also about lining a rope chain with hardened hardware, maybe ratchet sockets or washers, so it's too tight to get access with a cutter and too thick for a bolt cutter.
@@OptimusSatanas I use Hexlox on all my components, and I've never had anything stolen, whereas before things would regularly get taken.
How is that? One said tuk 4 discs and second just 1, same thing with another lok , first side 3 discs and second just one. That's means if you know what you doing you can cut each side with 1 or 1,5 discs for real.
Can you do a cutting test on oxford 14 sold secure diamond d lock?
If it takes 16 seconds to cut the 18 mm Fahgettaboudit once (see my other video), it would take about 12 seconds to cut the Oxford 14
@@TheBestBikeLock even if the oxford lock got a sold secure diamond rating? I thought diamond rating is highest you can get...
@@PatisserieRoyale It is, but that doesn't mean it resist an angle grinder. It will be slower in the street with a battery powered grinder. And they would need to cut both sides. But it would be less than a minute to get the lock off your bike.
@@TheBestBikeLock Do you think with a bolt cutter, they would be able to cut trough it and take the bike?
@@PatisserieRoyale From what I've seen in other reviews, steels of that thickness are basically impossible to cut with bolt cutters
What grinder did you use and how much more powerful is it then your average mains grinder?
See the description: it's a mains powered 720w Makita (GA5030R). It's a pretty good one, probably more powerful than the average mains powered grinder and a lot more powerful than the ones that are generally used by thieves in the street.
@@TheBestBikeLock ok thanks I pray they dont come up with a battery version that has similar torque and power,
As I have a D1000 and have on order x3
than, not then, illiterate ape
it would be nice to see there resistant to diamon disc's
What blades did you use for these tests?
Standard metal cutting discs
@@TheBestBikeLock wouldnt thief's use better?
What about angle grinding the lock section?
Bennetts tried this and got the same results. The lock section is protected too.
@@TheBestBikeLockgood to know cheers ❤
I think LiteLok and Hiplok need to also sell bike racks/posts wit the same materials. Businesses would benefit from investing in them.
Cordless angle grinders (even the best of them) are heavy power users and quickly go through batteries
Great test however, why don't ppl use more than one lock?
Too heavy and expensive. They are the same price as a bike
Yes that's what I do, I own an 8k speed pedelec and have the litelok x3 and the fahgettaboutit
cut the bike and steal the lock. Leave the gun bring the cannoli.
😆😆
Thanks for you good work ....i persume if you use battery tool will reflect better also put louse lock anyway good job
tackle the foreverlock by seatylock. it's not anywhere near d1000 level, but as a folding lock rated 18... curious to know.
10-15 seconds max. only needs 1 cut and it's open.
I am sure it won't be long before they bring out a 9" battery grinder!
Petrol Stihl cut off saw?
Jack hammer?
No bike thief will mess around in plain sight for +4 minutes with an angle grinder. But what if the bike is not locked to a bicycle storage object, and just picked, put into a van, and moved to a safe house. I doubt this lock would withstand a welding machine for 10 seconds.
Was it you who made this video or did you just upload it ? Are you a Litelok employee or have any affiliation with the company ? did you use more pressure cutting the D1000 than the X3 ? Why did it take more discs to make the second cut ? and why did it take more discs but less time to make the second cut in the D1000 ? Which lock do you think is better ? Do you think you could have cut once and then used a metal bar to pry the lock open ?
1) Yes, I made the video. 2) No, I'm not an employee. 3) Yes, I'm an Amazon affiliate, but there are no affiliate links on this page, so no monetary interest. 4) Of course that's possible, but it would be accidental (this is complicated by the fact that they were filmed on different days and the grinding experience was a bit different: the D1000 felt like it was "melting" the discs, while the X3 felt a bit more abrasive). 5) It didn't: the numbers for the second cut are cumulative. 6) See answer 5. 7) In terms of angle grinder resistance, it was too close for me to call in this test. But it doesn't really matter: they are both strong enough. In terms of "better all round", it will depend on your needs and priorities. 8) Possibly, but I think it's unlikely
@@TheBestBikeLock Thanks for taking the time to answer all of my questions. After watching your video and many others I have just pre-ordered the X3 for use with my e-bike. Did you buy these two locks yourself or were they sent to you for free ? It seems a shame that £500 worth of locks got destroyed !
@@PINACI The X3 was sent for free. The D1000 I paid for. But yeah, it's still an expensive business. Both of these locks cost nearly twice what I paid for my bike, so neither would be the right choice for me. They are definitely the best protection you can get at the moment. But since you've got an e-bike, the X3 might be the better option, as it has a bit more internal locking space.
@@TheBestBikeLock Yes definitely not worth it unless you have an expensive bicycle or a motorbike. Overkill for anything else unless you live in one of the main cities !
With these locks they will either cut the bike rack or use a plasma cutter, because i think this will be way better against these locks.
But i think thieves will probably get to a different bike, because they dont want to cut all day long at home just to get the same value they could get a few hundred meters down the street from a bike without this lock.
Oh and THANKS FOR TESTING!!
Very interesting video, thanks. It sucks that locks like these have to be created because of the asshole thieves out there. Also makes me wonder how many batteries a thief would have to pack up to cut either of these on both sides of the "D"???
Thieves use diamond plated discs which would cut through faster, right?
There is a test somewhere on youtube with diamond discs. It was a bit faster, but not much.
They can start putting bear spray spray or something inside the locks so when they grind it, it starts spewing out as they grind spraying it all over.
When the bike lock is worth as much as your bike!
The only downside is that if the lock malfunctions or a thief damages it to make it unopenable with a key these locks will be a headache for the owners.
Good post!!
Imagine if they could weave a red dye substance inside the lock that goes all over the person clothes using angle grinder with microscopic serial numbers chips identifying the locks owner. They use dye bombs inside ATM's for this purpose.
There is something called the skunk lock-I’m serious. I think u can probably figure out how that works-not red dye🤣
Imagine coating it in a high smoke pepper spray enfused rubber..... probably wouldn't be legal and would mess up bystanders
ATMs do not have dye bombs that splatter you with microscopic serial numbers. That is science fiction.
Those times on the X3 dont add up. Way faster cut on the second cut with less disks...
Why did it take 3 disks to cut side one but only 1 or 2 discs for the opposite side. Makes no sense.
Maybe I got a bit better at controlling the grinder or more used to how far I could push the discs. The more movement or pressure, the more likely you are to catch at edge and damage the disc I think.
Can these fit an engwe e bike??
I would recommend the X3 over the D1000 for this type of bike. And although you should be able to secure the frame, it probably won't go around your wheels.
@@TheBestBikeLock Thx!
I use the Hiplok D1000 with my Engwe Engine Pro. I find it works best to lock through the loop created by the handle or truss near the top of the seat tube. It could fit a wheel spoke or one side of the rear triangle but those are more awkward to use and not more secure.
@@hackman88 anyway you Can send me a picture of it on social media?