Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio | ABS Errors After Replacing CCM Rotors and Pads for Girodisc
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- The CCM rotors and pads on the Giulia QV can cost upwards of $15,000.00 when time to replace. I track Giulia, and since I don't have THAT kind of disposable cash, I decided to replace (preserve) my CCM brakes by installing the Girodisc replacements ( www.girodisc.c... ).
Well, I didn't follow proper procedure for replacing pads/rotors and ended the job with a Bazillion errors message. Here's why:
Without first disconnecting the negative lead, when pushing back the pistons to install newer (thicker) pads, the car will see excessive fluid flow (reseating the pistons/pads) and assume a leak, thus closing the leaking circuits to prevent total-fluid-loss (only two calipers work in this failsafe mode). This causes errors for apparent dependency systems as well.
To recover from this, use MultiECUscan ( www.multiecusc... ) to connect to the ABS system and clear the codes. This is what I'm showing you how to do in this video.
To prevent these errors from ever happening during a pad/rotor change (seems to have worked consistently)
-- disconnect the negative battery terminal.
-- perform the pad/rotor service.
-- pump brake pedal to reseat pads/pistons
-- reconnect negative battery terminal
-- perform procedure to clear codes caused by battery disconnect
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Thank you, thank you for this. This just happened on my Stelvio when the mechanic changed my pads and rotors on the front and rear. I'm going back to him to show him your video.
You're very welcome. Glad it helped someone!
You can also use a memory saver that connects to OBD2 port, then disconnect the negative cable to the car battery. This should help you get no error codes or check engine light issues.
I'm not sure which was better. The information in this video or the sound of start up. Thank you 😊
Unfortunately I'm having to hot wire my calipers; they got stuck
@@Theycallmebritish I've had to do that before, but only because I was troubleshooting why my park brakes were in error and would not engage. Turns out the shaft in my rear right park brake caliper was broken and couldn't wind the piston. The PB motor just spun continuously which kept the PB system in error.
@@genyosai holy moly! Im sorry to hear this; im assuming this was diagnosed by someone or how'd you manage to find that out. I'm still with the error; so I might have a mechanical problem as well. Thank you for your time and information. I hotwired my motors so they would open. So I could move the car. I was able to return out of service mode. Clear the nannies but it's telling me I few things I'll update you. Heading to Firestone in an hour
@@Theycallmebritish I diagnosed it myself. Pretty easy considering I could hear the caliper motor spin continuously. I knew which caliper it was, but I wanted to fully test it, so I disconnected the PB caliper harness from the body harness and applied 12v to the pins... reversing polarity to test each motor direction.
Thanks for your video. I do have a 2017 Giulia TI and a similar error happened to me after doing a break job. My mistake was that I pressed on the brakes when the front calipers were off hoping to release the E-brake to service the rear pads. The front pistons came out a lot and it started leaking brake fluid. The error is still there and car doesn’t want to brake properly. I believe it is currently on that brake safe mode. I’m just waiting for the gray cable to arrive to reset the ABS codes.
You're welcome. Always happy to help a fellow Alfisti!
Are you one the Giulia Forums? You can find me there by the same screen name.
Hey the same thing happened to me was u able to fix it ?
@@mamadusylla1027 Yep. Watch the video on how to clear ABS errors after improperly doing a brake job. You'll need MultiECUScan (MES) software, preferably on iOS as I use in the video. You'll also need the gray MES cable to access the ABS module.
If your vehicle is a late 2018 or newer, you will need what's called the security gateway bypass module which can be purchased from Alfissimo.
@@genyosaiso if you get that SGW bypass (my car is a 2019) do I still need the grey cord to connect? And if so where can I buy one of those? Same thing happened with my car 🫤
@@importpro1334 Yes. With the bypass installed you still need the OBD2 scanner AND the gray cable to access the ABS module.
You can buy the complete set of MES cables where I bought mine from:
www.ebay.com/itm/271552918793?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=xWlqcHLHTFG&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=ov7dedzdSYe&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Hey bro thanks for the video the only guy that got right down to it and explained it without skipping anything out thr video we can all literally get the part and do the whole process with you in your video big thanks, my question is. Do it have to be the exact same bluetooth one you use or can it be another?
Hey! Always happy to help a fellow Alfisti!
As far as the BT module... it doesn't HAVE to be the same, but it's the one that I KNOW works with MultiECUScan AND even works for cars that need the security gateway module bypass installed (2018+). Some BT modules don't work when the SGW module is installed, but this one does.
@genyosai nice nice so last question, the bypass does it come with the module or do i just download it when i connect the bluetooth?
@@agent4poyato956 No. The SGW bypass is a physical module that you have to install in the car. It can be a pain to install (much easier in a Giulia than a Stelvio), but if your car is 2018+ and you're a DIYer... It's an absolute must.
You can get the bypass here:
shop.alfissimo.com/home/1884-obd-protect-interface-for-multiecuscan-alfaobd-100-functionadapter-kit.html#/104-interfaces_adapters_accessories-sgw_bypass_2018_manuf_date_and_up
It's recommended to use a set of extension cables, but not necessary:
shop.alfissimo.com/home/1884-obd-protect-interface-for-multiecuscan-alfaobd-100-functionadapter-kit.html#/106-interfaces_adapters_accessories-extensions_19_for_sgw_bypass_pair
Can this be done using wiTech 2.0?
Where do I buy the gray adapter for Ecu module thanks
So sorry for the late, late reply. I've been in the process of moving for the last 5 weeks. What a headache!
Anyway, I bought the cables from these guys on eBay:
www.ebay.com/itm/271552918793?hash=item3f39d0b509:g:pLAAAOSwuxFYsswY
Very good and funny videos bring a great sense of entertainment!
Ik this is kinda late question but I bought both the cable and the Obd scanner and I can’t get it to connect to the app any advise ? I have a 2020 giulia 2.0
It probably doesn't work anymore. Return everything back and get your money
@@CubanMofo it does work I just had it in the wrong interface type thanks
Sorry for the late response, but glad you got it worked out. YES it obviously still works lol. I use it all the time because I race my car and have to get into the Continental ABS module with MES to recalibrate things all the time.
Thanks for making this video!!! I learned the hard way too.
great video bro
i have a early (08/17) 2018 alpha romeo giulia and it doesn't have the gsw module and im having the same problem. I purchased the same adapter kit as you (idiagnose) and im using the grey cable with the link mx+ but it's not letting me connect to the car through the link app.
also would i have to purchase the $60 full version of the multi scan ecu app in order to reset the abs codes? thanks
also i'm on an iphone and im connected thought bluetooth but it doesn't let the mx+ connect to the car
@@abelsanchez9664 one thing about the iPhone and the mxLink+ is that the iPhone doesn't automatically connect to the mxLink. This threw me off at first. You need to go into your iPhone Bluetooth settings, find the mxLink in the list, then select it to connect to it.
Once it's connected, switch back to MES and make the connection with JUST the mxLink first. After a successful connection, change to the Continental and brake system menu. Then MES will tell you to switch to the gray cable. When you make the switch, you need to change back to the iPhone Bluetooth list to reconnect to the mxLink. Then switch back to MES where it still says to connect the gray cable, then continue.
Did you need to install a SGW bypass module to use the MES? I'm dealing with the same issues right now, not sure if i need that module or if the code OBD, MES and Gray cable are all I need?
Only if your car is late 2018 and up.
My Giulia QV is a 2017, so it doesn't have the security gateway module.
My 2020 and 2021 Stelvio vehicles require the SGW bypass, which I've installed on both.
@@genyosaigreat insight. I've got the dealer fighting with me about this same problem. They want 5k for "their" work. Could you please, please send me the exact cable, and blue tooth unit you used. Please!
@@jeromem4923 $5k???? WHAT??
OK! Here is the exact cable kit I bought. You'll need the gray cable as you can see in my video:
www.ebay.com/itm/271552918793
This is the Bluetooth diagnostic tool that I use in the video:
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07JFRFJG6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
As you can see in my video, I used my wife's iPhone with MultiECUScan (MES) for iOS installed. You can also use an Apple iPad. Just download MES from the App Store.
Good luck!
I have no clue what they could be doing for $5k if all you have are ABS/brake errors after a brake job.
@@genyosai oh! thank you so much friend 🙏 they are trying to pull an expensive fast one on my daughter. Life long member to your channel 👍👍
@@jeromem4923 Thank you! Keep me posted on how it goes.
Great information so thanks for the video, but dear god you were taking a long time to get to the point. LOL!
Haha! Yeah. That video spans two days because in the first part I didn't have the MES cables yet.
Can I use the green cable to clear ABS system? I’ve ordered same batch from Amazon but it didn’t come with Gray cables. I’m having the same problem, same car (make, model, and year).
Hi.
Unfortunately for our cars you need the gray cable. Green only works on ABS for some other Italian models.
@genyosai I have taken the subscription and tried to remove the codes, but no luck. On my mobile application the code was showing in a Red font and not able clear them, any suggestions?
@@Sai-d7d2k Can you take a screenshot of your errors, share them in Google photos or something, then send me the link so that I can see??
@@genyosaiI have shared the link but I don’t see the reply after closing youtube. Please let me know if you got the link?
drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ZgQSTdNKpdXn6d2y8OMzcjlvaivxFbjD
@@Sai-d7d2k I got it. So you have the C104B error! I've had that error, too. This error is usually because you have air in the lines. This happened to me when I fried my brakes at the track. It boiled my brake fluid which introduced air into the system.
To clear this error, I had to bleed the brakes. Then do this video method to clear all the errors EXCEPT the C104B. After bleeding the brakes properly, then clearing all the other errors, I had to go and drive for a while... pressing the brakes until they felt normal again. Once the brakes felt normal I went home and cleared the C104B error.
Make sure to bleed your brakes really well. Then do what I show you in the video to clear the errors. You have to go into the continental brake group using the gray cable. Then scan for errors, then clear the errors.
www.giuliaforums.com/threads/lets-try-to-solve-the-brake-pad-swap-car-killing-itself.41506/page-2
Thanks for share. If replace the brake calipers for update to 330mm the process will be the same?
Absolutely. Any time you push back the pistons to remove/insert pads, you need to do the following process to AVOID the errors I had to clear in this video:
1. Put brakes into service mode to release the parking brake (if replacing the rear rotors).
2. Disconnect negative battery lead
3. Do the work you need to do
After the work is done and everything is back together:
1. Pump the brakes numerous time to ensure the pads have reseated to the rotor!!! This is the most important thing to do BEFORE reconnecting the battery.
2. Reconnect the battery
3. take the car out of brake service mode
4. Start the car, you will have errors due to the battery being disconnected.
5. Turn the wheel lock to lock a couple of times (right, left, right, left, center).
6. Turn the car off, then back on (errors should be cleared).
Good luck!
@@genyosai thanks for reply ;). To bleed the brakes you have to do it through pressure, right? Is there no video on brake bleeding?
@@patata2002 You have to do a combination of pressure (minimum 30psi) and pumping the pedal... and you have to do it in a very particular sequence.
I've shared the brake bleeding instructions with you here. Be sure to follow the instructions for your variant (QV or non-QV):
drive.google.com/file/d/1LgpadlO7BKXype46_EVWyZf0HUY3NW35/view?usp=sharing
@@genyosai Thank you for this step-by-step. I just did all four brakes with pads and rotors and had no problems after following this.
@@josephpeacock4562 Awesome! Happy to help.
What was purpose of the grey cable and where to get it
The grey cable is needed to connect to the Continental ABS module.
You can buy all the MES cables in one set here:
www.ebay.com/itm/271552918793
Good afternoon my name is Cesar and I have a 2019 Alfa Romero giulia 2.0T, and I recently bought our one concept brakes drill and slotted. Installed the new brakes but forgot to disconnect the negative cable on the battery and now I have lights on my dash that won’t go away. I read a lot about these coats popping up after doing a brake job and everyone was saying use mutilecuscan tool to clear the codes. I bought a license, the gray adapter, the scanner. The scanner will read the ABS codes but it will not clear them. It does it for a split second but then they come back. Do I need to buy a security gateway bypass module in order for me to permanently clear these codes. PLEASE HELP
Codes read
- C0051-86
- C0076-68
- C104B-92
- U1702-86
Hi. Yes, you need the SGW bypass module to clear the codes because your vehicle is a 2019.
Is there a Multiscan app for Android?
Hi!
No, sorry. I wish!!
Only for iOS and Windows OS.
Do this still work?
Yes.
Where do I plug it in and what adapter do I need to fix brake codes and reset service interval oil
Hi.
For most brake codes you'll need the gray adapter to connect to the abs continental system. When you see me plugging in under the dash, I'm plugging into the ODBII diagnostic port. Simply look underneath the dash and it'll be easily visible and accessible.
As far as resetting service and oil intervals, I can't remember even though i just performed this task on my car. MES will prompt you for an adapter if necessary, and for service/oil interval it's no adapter or gray. Definitely not another color.
where did you get the cable and the obd scanner?
So sorry for the late, late reply. I've been in the process of moving for the last 5 weeks. What a headache!
Anyway, I bought the cables from these guys on eBay:
www.ebay.com/itm/271552918793?hash=item3f39d0b509:g:pLAAAOSwuxFYsswY
The ODB scanner I use with my phone is this one from Amazon:
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07JFRFJG6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
@@genyosaican i fix the coses with this?
Only with obd ?
@@eduardobernardoni5149 HI. Sorry I don't understand. What are "coses"?
Codes should clear with normal driving but if you're worried about the lights try turning the steering wheel all the way to the right, full lock to the left, full lock to the right then center. Shut engine off then restart. Have your door closed during this procedure. If that doesn't work. Turn on and off engine 5 times. Doors closed during this procedure. If you're car doesn't have anything wrong with it the codes should clear on their own.
Not in this situation.
I'm familiar with the lock-to-lock process of clearing codes, but that's only for codes generated by disconnecting the battery primarily. You must do the lock-to-lock process each time the battery is disconnected to clear the codes generated.
In the event the Continental ABS module goes into failsafe due to what it THINKS is a fluid leak, you have to connect to the ABS module and clear the errors as I've shown here. They will not clear with time, and even if they did, you'd drive with one working caliper in the front and one working caliper in the rear which is pretty unsafe if you try driving normally.
Same goes for if you ever boil your fluid at the track and introduce air into the system (I do this all the time). After bleeding, you have to connect to the Continental system they way I've done here and clear the errors created by having air in the lines.
While in there, it's also a good idea to reset the steering angle, Lateral and longitudinal acceleration sensor, and pressure sensor.
@@genyosai lol. Bummer
Character In the video It's great, I like it a lot $$
Good info but if you disable the E-Break and put it into break service mode in the infotainment before doing your rear breaks you won’t have this problem
@@VegaFIFA Thanks.
But, Actually it takes a bit more than that, but this is for people that learn the hard way that you can't just replace the pads on a QV the way you've changed pads on your other cars. Once you've pushed back the pistons to install the new, thicker pads, you absolutely cannot have the ACC on when you depress the pedal for the first time else the Continental ABS system sees the first time, excessive pedal travel as a fluid leak.
Going into break service mode doesn't prevent this. You just have to make sure you pump the brakes before applying the ACC.
But then, this tutorial also helps if you've fried your caliper seals and dust boots at the track and have to rebuild your calipers. Ask me how I know 😅😅
@@genyosai wow. Thanks for sharing but now I’m scared to do my rear breaks by myself. I read the instructions on Alfaworkshop and only says “Disable the E-break and put it into break service mode” in order to don’t have this warning lights later 🤷♂️
@@VegaFIFA Is your car a Quadrifoglio? Are you also replacing rotors or just pads?
If your car is a Quadrifoglio AND you are just replacing pads, you don't need to enter brake service mode because on the Quadrifoglio the e-brake caliper is separate from the brake caliper.
If you car is NOT a Quadrifoglio, then your rear caliper is also the e-brake.
Either way, you can follow these steps EXACTLY and be safe:
"1. Enter Brake Service Mode (Infotainment)
2. Turn off car
3. Pull negative battery terminal
4. Do brake job
*** 5. Pump brakes until all new pads are seated
6. Connect negative battery terminal
7. Turn on accessory mode (push start button, but don't start car)
8. Apply brake pedal
9. Toggle Parking Brake
10. Done
If any codes are left over, just turn the steering wheel from lock to lock and turn off the car. Let sit for > 30 seconds, turn back on, rinse and repeat turning off/on until codes are gone." --JeFizz {Giulia Forums}
yeah ok but how cool do the new brakes look? :) is it BBW? anyway cool that folks have been thru this and it's all solvable. I will have to send this to my friend who has a 2.0
A friend of mine with a 2.0 Giulia JUST made the same mistake last weekend lol!
@@genyosai did you hold out on him? hahahahahahaha
dont do that... Girodisc are cheap......
Can this be done using wiTech 2.0?
I'm not positive, but I would think YES because WiTech can do things MES can't (like re-calibrate/sync the EBP).
@@genyosai OK....UPDATE. So I currently work at Maserati/Alfa Romeo Dealer in FL. Apparently this is a major issue with Alfa's. I can confirm that there is a failsafe mode and there is a way to reset this. I had 2 cars that were both towed to the dealer both with confirmed fixes. But I used witech 2.0 instead of the device used here. I would like to add that another technician on Tech2Tech ( internal Mopar FCA forum ) said that sometimes, this will work.....sometimes it won't.
@@RetrocarStyle I've had to clear ABS/Brake errors so many times because I race my car. I no longer have the issue when I change rotors and/or pads (because now I know how to do it without throwing errors), but there are times at the track when I may boil my brake fluid which introduces air into the system. When that happens I have to do the bleeding procedure for the Quadrifoglio as well as clear the Continental ABS module errors due to air that got in the lines. Same for when I have to rebuild my calipers... MES works every time.
@@genyosai Well I've only been with FCA for 8 months. The information provided came from my experience of me resetting two of these and the technicians in the tech2tech internal FCA forum. Some tech have said that it will work and then other times it won't come back. In those instances, it is entirely possible that for those techs that states that they could get the module back is that it could have been procedural errors. I cannot say at this point because I haven't been with the brand long enough. Time will tell.