GREAT VIDEO!! I just bought a new Honda Passport in Maryland last night and I took notes from this video and some others you have posted. 9% off MSRP, no dealer add ons and an extra $1500 off for Honda Loyalty and Military. You saved me thousands!!!!!
Tomi! I've been watching your videos for months and follwed what you do like script. Today i got a Honda Pilot Elite for $4300 off and they wre delivering it for free from Indiana to Detroit. Thanks so much man for these videos. Couldn't have done it without them!
Just purchased a '25 Pilot EX-L, AWD at 11.1% off MSRP, w/no dealer-adds for a $45k OTD. This was about $2,750 less than the dealer's original OTD quote. I was in and out in about an hour. Appreciate the timeliness of this video as it helped me know that there was still some wiggle room, despite them saying otherwise during the first round of negotiations. Note, I did not shop dealers as the one I purchased from was close enough to my house and the OTD was more than agreeable + 2.9% financing and their year-end push to move cars. Thanks again for this video!
That does not sound like a good deal to me the '25 EX-L, AWD I looked at today had an MSRP of $38,305 take 10% off of that and it would be about $34,475 add tax (.05 for me) reg. and doc fee the OTD price would about $37,197. I would say you got screwed but did not get kissed
@@marckimbrell4645 lol sorry; I forgot to mention it was a Pilot. The base model starts at $40k so I don’t think we are talking about the same model. Regardless, this video shows 7-10% off is reasonable and I was able to meet that. I’m a happy camper and wish you the best in your own search.
The CRV Hybrid is more reliable than the gas CRV. The gas CRV uses the tiny 1.5 turbo 4 cylinder that has had lots of issues, the CRV hybrid uses a naturally aspirated 2.0 4 cylinder that is much more reliable. Honda has been making hybrids for years, nearly as long as Toyota and are considered just as reliable. The new consumer reports quality rankings just came out and these are the top 5 in order, 1. Subaru 2. Lexus 3. Toyota, and 4. Honda. 5. Acura
@@fibonaccisequence2891we had our 2024 CRV hybrid fuel pump checked under the recall. Ours was okay and did not need replaced. Waiting on parts to get the steering gear recall fixed
Got the Honda Pilot Touring AWD 2 days ago at $46,242 (that's Pilot Touring FWD prices). That's about 8.8% off MSRP. Now is the time to strike since dealerships are trying to hit their year end goals. ✊️🚘
I work for a top 10 Honda dealership in Canada -- the most we discount is $500 off MSRP for all cars. Im amazed they discount so steep in the American market.
Honda Hybrids are way better than their 1.5's lol I worked at Honda and I rarely see hybrids in the shop. It's usually the 1.5 or just fuel pump recalls.
I have a Honda Accord hybrid, it is one of the best cars I've ever had. It now has 98,000 mi on it. The last time I went to a dealer for oil change. They said there was nothing to recommend the car was just in excellent condition.
A 2014 Accord Hybid owner here. This car is the best Honda I've ever owned, and I've owned many. I get 42 MPG with no expensive repairs. It would take a lot for me to even consider another car.
@@terrywhite6269 My previous 1999 Accord was with me more than 17 years. It surpassed more than 307,000 miles, before I sold it and replaced it with a brand new Toyota Camry Solara, which was with me for more than 12 years, reaching 296,000 miles trouble free. Both cars were unique, in that they both had manual transmissions. My latest manual is a 2015 Mazda 6, and its about to roll over 200,000 miles. Again, trouble free.
I'm in Eastern Canada and after visiting half a dozen dealerships, I concluded that it is impossible to ask for more than MSRP + tax + fees and snow wheels (about 1500 CAD). Any Canadians in the comments have the same experience? *Edit: Car i'm shopping for is a Honda Civic Hybrid Sport Touring Sedan
I'm also in Eastern Canada and yea, same experience. I had to back out of a deal after waiting a year for a Type S because they wouldn't remove the 3k worth of dealer add ons. I also backed out of buying an Si because they wanted to charge me for the wheel locks that the car *comes with* and some BS VIN etching.
Good views of the long out of production 2016-2022 HRV and the totally different foreign market current HRV. Civic pics are 2021 and earlier. There’s no coupe model anymore.
The video I have been waiting for sheesh I have been trying to negotiate for a 2024 Honda Sport Hybrid and dealers are not budging. I’m looking for 11% off msrp plus conquest offer. They are not budging in my area.
My wife really wants a hybrid. Her choice is the Honda civic hatchback hybrid sport touring. Problem is we are in central FL. Every dealer here thinks they have the only car around. They ALL have a dealer profit charge of $995 or more. And some are still adding on $2500 of dealer add ons and refuse to take them off. They tell you they are already added to the car. Super frustrating. Should we go to say, Georgia for a better deal??
Tommy I thank you always wondered what I could get away with on a not so real truck ... Ridgeline if you have never driven one extemely smooth riding rig it beats the crud out of my international work truck
Bunch of us have the brand new 2019 Odyssey with a buggy software, battery issue and suspension. Unless they fixed these issues, I personally hated Odyssey because of that and I was a long time Honda fan since I was a kid. Mind you I knew about the small issues before buying the car like the cvt transmission not being smooth , jerky, and I still bought it
Too many reports of the collision system activating for no reason at all and putting people at risk... the hybrid is near perfect if not for this deal breaker. If anyone has more info on this or if the crv2025 won't have this issue please let me know!
I was thinking about trading in my 22 accord hybrid sport for the 2025 touring. But it’s just so sad that the accord doesn’t have the tech, 360 camera, panoramic roof that the 2025 Camry has. Such a shame. Even the living is wild for those missing amenities.
i am in the market for a pilot EXL model, based on your comment, you mention roughly 8% so if the car is 47k msrp, i can hope to beat 43,200? i really hate the song and dance with the sales and their sales manager.
The failing honda v6 is even more of a surprise than the Tundra engines. Keeping my v6 Lexus forever. Retired at age 71 with a 2014 RX350 showing 71,xxx miles, . That Lexus will be a solid hand me down.
@theant, I’m 77, I drive a Ridgeline, my wife drives a Pilot, both have the V6, thousands of miles on each, never been in the service department for repairs. When I had Toyotas, I was always in the service department waiting lounge, Toyotas simply do not like some people.
Great stuff. Question for you. I'm considering a GMC Sierra 2500HD, but the specification I want doesn't seem to exist. Is negotiation on ordered vehicles a thing?
Can I get a discount if I give you a great review and Google review like that Mazda deal from about 9 months ago when you were supposedly buying car for son?
When you say 7-10% off, do you mean OTD including tax/etc is that % less than the MSRP price? Been tuning in for a little bit now, love the content and the insight. Keep doing what you do!
I got my type r for $1550 under msrp last month in rallye red the rarest color they make it definitely can happen but I wouldint say you don’t even have to travel cause that’s a lie lol Cali good luck Texas Dallas area good luck you have to go to the Midwest or find a dealer in Louisiana like I did and get one for under msrp
Do a toyota one please. I am saving for another Toyota and am thinking about doing business with you. But need to know what a realistic discount is in California. Thanks in advance
You mention gas over hybrid CR-V for reliability, what're your thoughts on Honda's CVT vs their hybrids E-CVT? I've read regular CVTs are notoriously bad.
I know you weren’t asking me but I’ve been looking for an economy hybrid and it was between Toyota and Honda. Almost decided on the civic but I’m probably gonna go with a Corolla or Camry cause Toyota hybrids do not use the expensive lithium ion batteries they use the cheaper NiMH batteries. The cost to replace is about 40% more expensive. Otherwise I would have gone with civic because they are supposed to be a bit more fun to drive. Just something to consider.
Actually the issue with the Honda is the ICE cars, in particular the 1.5 T engine. Oil dilution issues, the Hybrid use the 2.0 engine at least in the Accord.
I got ripped off and I bought my Honda They lied about my price I was supposed to get my car for $18,400 $ 9,021 Now they said I have to pay car off $27,000 for the car cuz my credit. bad Now I'm stuck over about 9,000 left on my car Honda dealership con artists I'm going to be winding up paying $27,000 my car
What is up with the disrespect for the Honda Ridgeline? I literally rode in a 2019 that towed a big camper from Mississippi to Florida and it was smooth as hell. No issues and did it easily. What more does it need to do?
Honda quality has fallen off because they moved 90% of their production to Ohio and Alabama, America doesn’t have the best track record building cars or quality control. That’s almost entirely why they have so many quality issues now
I hate new cars and i hate dealerships. I will drive my 2012 Tacoma until the wheels fall off. And when that happens, i guess i’ll ride a bicycle. Car salesmen are as bad as lawyers and pawn shop owners
For a not a truck, the Ridgeline has a 3/4 ton payload and fits 8 ft sheets of plywood ON the bed. How many light trucks do that. It also doesn't have a cheesy Turbo that's gonna break. I still see a lot of old Ridgelines on the road, being used very much like trucks. The title should read "DON'T Watch this Video Before Buying a Vehicle".
If your definition of a 'Truck' is WAY overpriced (70k) vehicle that gets 15mpg, rides, corners, and vibrates like your in a 7.5 earthquake, breaks down all the time, is so large most can't keep it in their lane, and turns to crap in snow or ice,...........then ya, the Ridgeline is not a REAL truck.
@ But they only have the civics with the turbo. I don’t want that. I want a a naturally aspirated engine, Manuel. The market for Manuel drivers in the USA sucks.
What Brand Should We Do Next?
Jeep I want to see how “massive” their discounts supposedly are
Ferrari?
Mazda
Mazda
@governmentlard1617 He did a Toyota a few weeks ago
This video is gold for someone looking to buy a Honda. Thanks for rolling up the information Tomi.
GREAT VIDEO!! I just bought a new Honda Passport in Maryland last night and I took notes from this video and some others you have posted. 9% off MSRP, no dealer add ons and an extra $1500 off for Honda Loyalty and Military. You saved me thousands!!!!!
This was in my opinion was the best podcast you’ve ever done
Thank you! This REALLY means a lot to me :)
Tomi! I've been watching your videos for months and follwed what you do like script. Today i got a Honda Pilot Elite for $4300 off and they wre delivering it for free from Indiana to Detroit. Thanks so much man for these videos. Couldn't have done it without them!
Congrats
@rtygrest thanks!
I work for a Honda dealer in NYS and for the most part…This is all correct!
Where do you work because I’m in NY and best I’m getting is like $600 off for the CRV EXL
@ West Herr Honda - Clark
@ I’ll take care of you
@@ERatiKPERUVIANare you by Buffalo?
@@laurasaravia8946 yeah about 30-45min from City of Buffalo, we’re located in Lockport, NY
Cool topic. I hope u do this every few weeks with every manufacturer like toyota, infiniti, bmw etc. thanks
Just purchased a '25 Pilot EX-L, AWD at 11.1% off MSRP, w/no dealer-adds for a $45k OTD. This was about $2,750 less than the dealer's original OTD quote. I was in and out in about an hour. Appreciate the timeliness of this video as it helped me know that there was still some wiggle room, despite them saying otherwise during the first round of negotiations. Note, I did not shop dealers as the one I purchased from was close enough to my house and the OTD was more than agreeable + 2.9% financing and their year-end push to move cars. Thanks again for this video!
Great,Which model and which location
That does not sound like a good deal to me the '25 EX-L, AWD I looked at today had an MSRP of $38,305 take 10% off of that and it would be about $34,475 add tax (.05 for me) reg. and doc fee the OTD price would about $37,197. I would say you got screwed but did not get kissed
@@SugaSams-x7l doh! Edited to correct - it was a Pilot. Southaven Honda.
@@marckimbrell4645 lol sorry; I forgot to mention it was a Pilot. The base model starts at $40k so I don’t think we are talking about the same model. Regardless, this video shows 7-10% off is reasonable and I was able to meet that. I’m a happy camper and wish you the best in your own search.
@@brianb.8343 Sorry I misread your post, got to get these cataracts taken off my eyes.
The CRV Hybrid is more reliable than the gas CRV. The gas CRV uses the tiny 1.5 turbo 4 cylinder that has had lots of issues, the CRV hybrid uses a naturally aspirated 2.0 4 cylinder that is much more reliable. Honda has been making hybrids for years, nearly as long as Toyota and are considered just as reliable. The new consumer reports quality rankings just came out and these are the top 5 in order, 1. Subaru 2. Lexus 3. Toyota, and 4. Honda. 5. Acura
Consumer Reports is a video I am going to be making in the future.
Long story short, Something fishy going on over there.
New 2.0 is gdi, beware of high pressure fuel pump leak, old 2.0 k-series that is in HRV is bullet proof.
Untill that hybrid system crashes then good luck
Fire risks with the CR-V Hybrid.
@@fibonaccisequence2891we had our 2024 CRV hybrid fuel pump checked under the recall. Ours was okay and did not need replaced. Waiting on parts to get the steering gear recall fixed
I absolutely love how you did this video. Definitely need to do it for other brands as well.!!!
Got the Honda Pilot Touring AWD 2 days ago at $46,242 (that's Pilot Touring FWD prices). That's about 8.8% off MSRP. Now is the time to strike since dealerships are trying to hit their year end goals. ✊️🚘
Congrats
I work for a top 10 Honda dealership in Canada -- the most we discount is $500 off MSRP for all cars. Im amazed they discount so steep in the American market.
We have no money left. Our politicians gave it all to company CEOs
Hey I'm glad we are getting discounts instead of market adjustments
One of your best videos!! Please do a similar one with Toyota,Mazda, or other companies that you negotiate deals with!!
Trying to get one out once a week! One negotiation and one deals video
mazda next week would be good i think :)
Honda Hybrids are way better than their 1.5's lol I worked at Honda and I rarely see hybrids in the shop. It's usually the 1.5 or just fuel pump recalls.
Thanks, I was considering the Civic hybrid hatchback, but now I think I'll go with the Camry SE AWD.
I have a Honda Accord hybrid, it is one of the best cars I've ever had. It now has 98,000 mi on it. The last time I went to a dealer for oil change. They said there was nothing to recommend the car was just in excellent condition.
A 2014 Accord Hybid owner here. This car is the best Honda I've ever owned, and I've owned many. I get 42 MPG with no expensive repairs. It would take a lot for me to even consider another car.
@@terrywhite6269 My previous 1999 Accord was with me more than 17 years. It surpassed more than 307,000 miles, before I sold it and replaced it with a brand new Toyota Camry Solara, which was with me for more than 12 years, reaching 296,000 miles trouble free. Both cars were unique, in that they both had manual transmissions.
My latest manual is a 2015 Mazda 6, and its about to roll over 200,000 miles. Again, trouble free.
I'm in Eastern Canada and after visiting half a dozen dealerships, I concluded that it is impossible to ask for more than MSRP + tax + fees and snow wheels (about 1500 CAD). Any Canadians in the comments have the same experience?
*Edit: Car i'm shopping for is a Honda Civic Hybrid Sport Touring Sedan
I'm also in Eastern Canada and yea, same experience. I had to back out of a deal after waiting a year for a Type S because they wouldn't remove the 3k worth of dealer add ons. I also backed out of buying an Si because they wanted to charge me for the wheel locks that the car *comes with* and some BS VIN etching.
Good views of the long out of production 2016-2022 HRV and the totally different foreign market current HRV. Civic pics are 2021 and earlier. There’s no coupe model anymore.
The video I have been waiting for sheesh I have been trying to negotiate for a 2024 Honda Sport Hybrid and dealers are not budging. I’m looking for 11% off msrp plus conquest offer. They are not budging in my area.
Which model?
Go searching in the Midwestern states.
My wife really wants a hybrid. Her choice is the Honda civic hatchback hybrid sport touring. Problem is we are in central FL. Every dealer here thinks they have the only car around. They ALL have a dealer profit charge of $995 or more. And some are still adding on $2500 of dealer add ons and refuse to take them off. They tell you they are already added to the car. Super frustrating. Should we go to say, Georgia for a better deal??
I just went to the dealership and got quoted 2K over MSRP for the hybrid due to "limited availabilty" Im in NY
Super useful video; thank you.
Tommy I thank you always wondered what I could get away with on a not so real truck ... Ridgeline if you have never driven one extemely smooth riding rig it beats the crud out of my international work truck
Any good dealers in NY? Still looking for MSRP. Ridiculous! Looking for a Honda Pilot.
Bunch of us have the brand new 2019 Odyssey with a buggy software, battery issue and suspension. Unless they fixed these issues, I personally hated Odyssey because of that and I was a long time Honda fan since I was a kid. Mind you I knew about the small issues before buying the car like the cvt transmission not being smooth , jerky, and I still bought it
Does this apply to used cars?
Got my Civic Sport Touring hatchback for $2636 off in Southern California 3 weeks ago
Too many reports of the collision system activating for no reason at all and putting people at risk... the hybrid is near perfect if not for this deal breaker. If anyone has more info on this or if the crv2025 won't have this issue please let me know!
I was thinking about trading in my 22 accord hybrid sport for the 2025 touring. But it’s just so sad that the accord doesn’t have the tech, 360 camera, panoramic roof that the 2025 Camry has. Such a shame. Even the living is wild for those missing amenities.
Hey what aboutt in Canada ON? also what % off would you be looking at on a used vehical ? 2023 pilot 30000km
I feel like I should be paying for this information. A-1 content!
i am in the market for a pilot EXL model, based on your comment, you mention roughly 8% so if the car is 47k msrp, i can hope to beat 43,200? i really hate the song and dance with the sales and their sales manager.
The failing honda v6 is even more of a surprise than the Tundra engines. Keeping my v6 Lexus forever. Retired at age 71 with a 2014 RX350 showing 71,xxx miles, . That Lexus will be a solid hand me down.
@theant, I’m 77, I drive a Ridgeline, my wife drives a Pilot, both have the V6, thousands of miles on each, never been in the service department for repairs. When I had Toyotas, I was always in the service department waiting lounge, Toyotas simply do not like some people.
@ChesterSm-ge1hb I had a Pilot a couple years ago. It was a great car. There's some major engine issues with the current model v6, though.
Great stuff. Question for you. I'm considering a GMC Sierra 2500HD, but the specification I want doesn't seem to exist. Is negotiation on ordered vehicles a thing?
Yes they are!
This video actually shows your humor. :)
I will be hiring you when the Honda Prelude comes out. Lol I have a feeling they’re gonna try to mark it up like crazy 😅
Can't Wait!
Yes, big marksups, pay if you want one the first month, or wait 4-6 months for any potential deals.
Do you recommend the prologue as a lease for those looking to get rid of negative equity and use the federal tax cut to cover most of it?
Hows the new Mazda cx-50 hybrid?
More powertrain issues with recent gas CR-V's than hybrid. Not sure how you arrived at your conclusion
Looking to offload my 2016 HRV before the CVT fails, but *sobs in PNW* pricing out here on anything decent is bonkers.
Do you anticipate better (in general) deals as we move into 1st quarter of 2025?
Can I get a discount if I give you a great review and Google review like that Mazda deal from about 9 months ago when you were supposedly buying car for son?
Do you know if all the 2025 Honda CR-Vs have the steering recall?
The problem with the gas option is the 1.5t engine has major issues: both head gaskets and oil/fuel dilution
When you say 7-10% off, do you mean OTD including tax/etc is that % less than the MSRP price?
Been tuning in for a little bit now, love the content and the insight. Keep doing what you do!
Agreed
that's off MSRP, taxes and doc fees are additional.
So what to expect on late model CRV?
Great video! keep going with others
Any chance you do leases on these? Specifically thinking about incentives on the 2024 Ridgeline. Thanks
Thoughts on Acura MDX as well as the Type S?
Any info to share on Acura?
Is it possible $1500 to2k below Msrp on a 25 civic sport ?
Great video, love it.
Can you do a love negotiation on a 2024 Honda accord so I can learn
I had a type R at MRSP. but the dealer had 5k with junk add ons and wanted for honda financing at 9%. That was crazy....I said sorry
Walk away…. 😊
@@rtygrest I did walk and they text me a hr later and said it sold for that crazy price add on.
@@oldpirate7434 good for them. Keep looking.
Some Honda dealers has 0% interest for 60 months at msrp priced, is this normal practice? Or we can negotiate on price?
Oil Dilution, Hybrid Fires, V6 Recall, will the revised V6 have problems? I'd lease a Honda but I wouldn't buy a new one.
I got my type r for $1550 under msrp last month in rallye red the rarest color they make it definitely can happen but I wouldint say you don’t even have to travel cause that’s a lie lol Cali good luck Texas Dallas area good luck you have to go to the Midwest or find a dealer in Louisiana like I did and get one for under msrp
Do a toyota one please. I am saving for another Toyota and am thinking about doing business with you. But need to know what a realistic discount is in California. Thanks in advance
done already
You mention gas over hybrid CR-V for reliability, what're your thoughts on Honda's CVT vs their hybrids E-CVT? I've read regular CVTs are notoriously bad.
Definitely a 10 year old problem that has mostly resolved itself.
@@Delivrdno problem with our 2021 mechanic says it’s incredible
Does the 7-10% OFF the Odyssey apply to Used Certified as well like for a 2022?
so many variables on used, can't throw that same number at them, that 7-10 is for new.
Love the channel. Have you done a Ford one yet?
No yet!
Ugh best out the door price I got was $38999 for a CRV EXL😢 . Still shopping around
Not sure what your taxes look like but I just sold one in ga(7% tax) for 37k OTD
Hey Tomi, love the vids. Gonna buy soon, if I want a hybrid is Toyota only the real good option? Kinda wanted that civic
Toyota is the best option.
I know you weren’t asking me but I’ve been looking for an economy hybrid and it was between Toyota and Honda. Almost decided on the civic but I’m probably gonna go with a Corolla or Camry cause Toyota hybrids do not use the expensive lithium ion batteries they use the cheaper NiMH batteries. The cost to replace is about 40% more expensive. Otherwise I would have gone with civic because they are supposed to be a bit more fun to drive. Just something to consider.
Actually the issue with the Honda is the ICE cars, in particular the 1.5 T engine. Oil dilution issues, the Hybrid use the 2.0 engine at least in the Accord.
How much should I be negotiating for a 10th gen honda accord ??? Anywhere between 46-60k miles
Look at comparable units, if the dealer is priced high obviously you can negotiate it more.
I got my Type R in May of 23 for MSRP
How much discount on civic sport hybrid?
Ever do any Mustang GTs?
He does
At first I'm thinking what the heck is a Prologue..?😅 hecknif you've only sold two I don't feel bad about not knowing my cars.
What about the Honda Passport?
thank you
I am looking for an SUV that has a big open area where I can take my 20lb propane tank to get filled without having it in an interior space...
You forgot the LX and the accord 2.0 T sport
You should do this same thing for toyota
Done last week
Have you ever worked a deal on anything else like snowmobiles or other power sports?
nope
I got ripped off and I bought my Honda They lied about my price I was supposed to get my car for $18,400 $ 9,021 Now they said I have to pay car off $27,000 for the car cuz my credit. bad Now I'm stuck over about 9,000 left on my car Honda dealership con artists I'm going to be winding up paying $27,000 my car
The new pilot 😎
What is up with the disrespect for the Honda Ridgeline? I literally rode in a 2019 that towed a big camper from Mississippi to Florida and it was smooth as hell. No issues and did it easily. What more does it need to do?
Honda quality has fallen off because they moved 90% of their production to Ohio and Alabama, America doesn’t have the best track record building cars or quality control. That’s almost entirely why they have so many quality issues now
What happened to this past weekend streams? We're they for members only? Didn't get any notifications.
Bros turning all my new car deals into minis🤝 screw it a units a units
coming from software sales background i LOVE these videos.
show me the money!!!
Your numbers would never get me in your showroom with those discounts
I mean these are real discounts that you can get. I am not trying to get you in a showroom....
What are you talking about
Very reliable vehicles
Love my ridgeline, which I use as a truck all day long. Adios.
Great content! You might want to make your videos 10 minutes plus long. You’ll be better off.
I hate new cars and i hate dealerships. I will drive my 2012 Tacoma until the wheels fall off. And when that happens, i guess i’ll ride a bicycle. Car salesmen are as bad as lawyers and pawn shop owners
There are good people in all of those categories, it's just hard to find them.
Toyota, please!
Did this last week!
So….are you Mr. Opportunity’s worst nightmare?
For a not a truck, the Ridgeline has a 3/4 ton payload and fits 8 ft sheets of plywood ON the bed. How many light trucks do that. It also doesn't have a cheesy Turbo that's gonna break. I still see a lot of old Ridgelines on the road, being used very much like trucks. The title should read "DON'T Watch this Video Before Buying a Vehicle".
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If your definition of a 'Truck' is WAY overpriced (70k) vehicle that gets 15mpg, rides, corners, and vibrates like your in a 7.5 earthquake, breaks down all the time, is so large most can't keep it in their lane, and turns to crap in snow or ice,...........then ya, the Ridgeline is not a REAL truck.
Florida sucks
Damn shame Honda is way overpriced now. I love the accord. Also, the accord doesn’t come Manuel anymore. What a shame
Civic SI for the manual transmission
@ But they only have the civics with the turbo. I don’t want that. I want a a naturally aspirated engine, Manuel. The market for Manuel drivers in the USA sucks.
You can still get one with a Pedro though