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Warren said 20% out.???? How many shares we talking about. I have 5,088 shares and I am sticking with Elon all the way 100%. He deserve what he deserve and a deal is a deal. I am Chinese and most Chinese might fight over a price but once the deal is made My people always stick to the deal
Warren is waiting for the crash so he can buy up cheap. i still think there's some short term pain ahead. I am currently holding north of $200k in a savings account waiting to take advantage of a huge opportunity. How do i avoid a crunch and maximize this?
Don't be in a hurry to get in. The market needs several days of strong performance to signal that the downturn might be over; i think It's a time to be largely, if not entirely, in cash
Inflation gives the illusion of growth. Investors should exercise caution with their exposure and exercise caution when considering new investments during these periods.
The truth is that this is really not as difficult as many people presume it to be. It requires a certain level of diligence, no doubt, which is something ordinary investors lack, and so a financial advisor often comes in very handy. My friend just pulled in more than $84k last month alone from his investment with his advisor. That is how people are able to make such huge profits in the market
Ive worked for corporate jobs my whole life and rarely are the CEO’s present in the office . Even with all the companies Elon manages, he is still more present at Tesla than any other CEO of any corporation is present at their single job.
I really can't believe shareholders would backstab Elon and vote against the pay package... this was already a done deal... Kathaleen McCormick should be stripped of her license and be criminally charged for stock manipulation.
Perhaps shareholders are not satisfied with how Elon has performed as a CEO since aquifer Twitter. The stock has plummeted, along with global public opinion for both Elon and Tesla.
I am Warrens age and am all in Tesla however I also liquidated 33% of my hold at 216$ Why Because I am 62 and have been here before. 33% allowed me to remove about $120k which was twice my initial investment because stuff can go wrong China could invade Taiwan for instance then what? .. saying it wont happen is being certain of world events and no one can be sure Again I am 62 I have lived to see things I was certain of not happen, and things I knew would not happen happened understanding you can be wrong allows you to adjust future risk NOW if Tesla succeeds I get 2/3 rds the gains if it mucks up or the world shifts I have $120k to support myself.
@steveK I’m the same age as you. The difference is, I actually think they are the closest to FSD. It’s going to happen ! Simple as that. You can join Warren in the corner of the room.
@@maxflight777 I also think it will happen , I have 2/3 rds of my shares So you 101% certain China can`t invade Taiwan? You 101% sure a black swan event like Covid or Ukraine war or Israel conflict of a nature that effects Tesla can not happen eh? You saw them ALL and knew how it would effect your shares eh? Well your 62 years have obviously given you greater wisdom than me I salute you sir.
Herbert, This is a question of who controls the company. Anyone can die at any moment. I accept this. This vote is a referendum on who should control the company, not an act of fate. So the key-man hypothesis is not relevant. If this vote does not go through on the item of EM's compensation package. Then that is evidence the company is in the control of short term speculators. Tesla is not built for that kind of thinking or lack of it. I have taken every opportunity to vote in favor of EM's compensation package. I suggest everyone hunt down every available account you have and vote your shares accordingly.
Yes, Mark, I agree. The key issue "does Tesla keep Elon's vision and courage to continue doing great things" or does it fall into the clutches of the self-interested parasites that run most other companies.
I just voted yesterday. I gave Elon his compensation back and agreed the move to Texas. This pay package was approved in 2018, and hopefully get approved again. Please vote now. It's easy, just look for the Tesla e-mail your broker sent you and press 'VOTE NOW'. Comment here if you already voted or planning to vote.
Way to judge… why are people reading Warren’s mind? Characterizing Warren’s decision as an emotional one isn’t in evidence. People are having an emotional reaction to his selling… evidenced by the judging.
I am concerned of this Voting thingi 😢. For my understanding, If Elon leave, Tesla’s future will turn vague. I am share holder since 2019. Kept buying whenever I have cash on my checking account. And tbh this is the first time I have this scared feeling since the first Tesla share I bought .
From $7K to $45K that's the minimum range of profit return every week I thinks it's not a bad one for me, now I have enough to pay bills and take care of my family. .....
Gladdis Pamela. understanding of market indicators is impressive. She knows exactly when to enter and exit trades for maximum profit. her siignals are top notch
She's recognized as 'Mrs Gladdis Pamela. One of the finest portfolio managers in the field. She's widely recognized; you should take a look at her work.
The truth is, elon already started optimus under tesla, and his duty as CEO(by law) is to do what is best for shareholders. If elon even tries to hold back Optimus its going to be a legal shit storm
If Elon is ‘only’ a shareholder and not the ceo, he has no obligation to the other shareholders. Why would he, but only for his self interest. He has a lot of other interesting projects to immerse himself in.
Hi Herbert First let me say that I watch your channel often and especially watch when Herbert has one or more of my 3 to 4 favorite guests on - I've learned a lot from them. In fact, one of those favorites is actually on this panel today. That said, I did not 'get brighter' watching this particular podcast. I did, however, get considerably 'duller' listening to a group of people who are either genuinely confused about EM and Tesla, or at the very least, gleefully whistling past the graveyard of a stunted technical future for us all. ============================ Please consider the following points: 1) WR was misquoted and misunderstood countless times, by some in this panel. WR never said that EM would definitely leave Tesla, he simply raised the questions as to why he would stay if he was treated so poorly by his own investors, what would be the possible outcome of the EM leaving, and what that outcome affecting the current stock price. To me, WR clearly raised areas-of-thought that should have been discussed by this panel. Instead of accurately discussing the many, many points that WR actually made, this panel appears to whistle past them as if they have no bearing on our collective, technical future. 2) EM is not your normal person. He has accomplished feats in the last 25/30 years that few beings in history have rivaled, and I include Edison and Newton in that rivalry. I worked with a man, also from South Africa, when I first started my career in Electrical Engineering. Just by walking into the lab, this man could raise the level of your talent in ways you couldn't have imagined. I owe a large part of my career and future maturity to that man. Why am I telling you this - because many times when I see or hear EM, I think of that man I worked with - they are both, peas in a pod. 3) If you want to know the (real) impact of EM musk on the Tesla company, go watch (or rewatch) the Lex Freidman podcast with Jim Keller. Jim says it all, in ways that only someone as brilliant as Jim can, from his ground-zero perspective. If you think you can merely get some 'super' CEO to replace EM (at this point in the Tesla 'stream crossing') you [do not] have a grasp of what EM brings to Tesla, and arguably the world. 4) If EM had been taken out of Tesla in 2016, I believe that Tesla would not have survived, regardless of the CEO that would have replaced him at the time - he was the 'heart and lungs' of Tesla back then, and IMO, still is today. There would be no EV's today, except for China's, without EM existing on planet earth. Would we have a bot, FSD, the cyber truck? No - and Tim Cook couldn't have ever conceived of these things. This panel tries convincing itself that the Tesla 'bench' is deep enough to carry on the Tesla mission, and that anyone who thinks otherwise is likely wrong - as if you're already making excuses as to why EM is no longer relevant to Tesla. 5) Yes FSD, the Bot, Robo taxi, etc. could roll out (at this point) without EM but at what speed, what effectiveness, and at what relative future - I would rather not find out, because unlike this panel, I think, I believe, the EM is a catalyzing force like few others in world history. If you think a 'Tim Cook' like CEO is going to magically pick up the baton, then I say [you] are likely wrong. ============================ To summarize: TSLA is a substantial part of my stock portfolio. I am not going to sell my shares before the vote, and it is solely based on the hope that whatever happens over the summer will result in EM being happy and motivated. Did you hear that - EM being happy and motivated? Listening to this panel, you would not have heard arguments in support of this. In fact, some actual backhanded, shade. I get that some of you may believe that EM is no longer as relevant being the 'powerhouse' that he once was - as if to say that the Tesla 'cake' has been baked and we should all just sit down and eat. That cake is far from baked, and I think that the chef has many more tricks up his sleeve, so I for one, don't want him to bring his talents to another bakery. I have already voted all my shares in the affirmation of the board suggestions. Rather that hearing from the panel how the vote either doesn't matter (EM will stay regardless) or of course the votes will pass(nonsense), it would have been instructive for those of who care about Tesla the mission, EM the human being, about how this vote underscores both of those - rather than hear about your 'clever' views and prognostications on the future stock price of TSLA. I get that many people throw shade on EM out of their own fear, their own jealousy, the blistering Mainstreet Medias drumbeat of FUD, and mostly, by the ignorance that comes from not knowing that you don't know something. Time may prove me wrong, but I heard a considerable amount of that particular ignorance in this particular podcast.
I wish that there weren't programs like this because the uninformed and gullible will think it's him. And someone evil could totally mess with people's reputations.
I think many miss the point of the fact that other companies ''get the Humanoid Bot'' that Tesla galvanised.If no one else was doing it they would be saying it's not important.Immitation is the best form of flattery.Many companies immitate but there is only one Tesla.
I listened to Warren's explanation and am very thankful he sold 20% and then gave this response to his haters. He lists a number of very important reasons for his position and I'm hoping a lot of people listen to that video. If they did they should realize how important voting their shares with the Board truly is. Thank you Warren!
I'm at 1:14 so I don't know if my thoughts are covered. I am quite sure of the following... We all need to remember that Elon plays chess in 4 dimensions. He thinks far ahead. He envisions scenarios of the future and their probabilities. He founded X-Ai to develop AGi with the intention of licencing it to Tesla (definitely) and others (probably). This method capitalizes on the inherent personal control he has of X-Ai + the manufacturing might and resources of Tesla. I think he will pursue this path regardless of whether his compensation plan is ratified. The other thing we forgot is that Elon is able to manage SEVERAL companies concurrently so developing AGi at X-Ai AND CyberCab and Optimus at Tesla in addition to Neuralink et al is nothing novel to him. Tesla will be X-Ai's most valuable customer.
Remember Elon said Tesla and Space X are his children when these companies went through a hard time and facing bankruptcy. He said that he would not let his children die.... so I believe Elon will remain with Tesla and Space X for a long time.
To say I was surprised at WARREN's 💪❤ 20% sale is a gross -understatement... Personally, I see now as the worst time to liquidate ANY $TSLA stock as IMO it will or might "moon" soon... BUT we are all entitled to our own comfort levels... And, it was only 20%... I truly believe one has to not even look at $TSLA stock until mid-2025 at the earliest...
I am Warrens age and am all in Tesla however I also liquidated 33% of my hold at 216$ Why Because I am 62 and have been here before. 33% allowed me to remove about $120k which was twice my initial investment because stuff can go wrong China could invade Taiwan for instance then what? .. saying it wont happen is being certain of world events and no one can be sure Again I am 62 I have lived to see things I was certain of not happen, and things I knew would not happen happened understanding you can be wrong allows you to adjust future risk NOW if Tesla succeeds I get 2/3 rds the gains if it mucks up or the world shifts I have $120k to support myself.
Am I correct in understanding that a non-vote on this issue (Elon's compensation package) is counted as a "No" vote? Because if that's the case, my concern is that the vast majority of retail shareholders won't bother to vote. And if most of the institutional shareholders are voting "No," then. . . I'm not optimistic about the chances of the package passing. I'm definitely concerned about this.
I am an oil and gas hawk. Don't own nor like electric cars. However, I'm investing in Tesla. The future is tangible and closer than we can imagine. Tesla has first mover advantage
I appreciate Warren's concerns and his outlook. I agree that NOT voting for Elon and the move to TX is a bad message. HOWEVER! I also know that Elon is the ultimate problem solver!! He has a vision and he will find a way. I and all my friends and family have voted with the board😁
Elon needs to focus more on Tesla like Jensen is laser focused on Nvidia. Shareholders didn’t approve a $55b pay package for Jensen and the market cap is $2.5T.
Jeff; nice way to think of this. I hope your take is where it goes. Herbert; great idea. He controls XAI. XAI could become the brains of Optimus. It comes down to will Elon hang in there like we are. I hope he knows we are on his side; bitching and complaining aside. Scott, you nailed it.
You guys act like you don’t understand how we got here. But you ignore a very important point. Just ask yourself, “what if Elon had not bought Twitter and not opened his big mouth about social and political issues?” Would the stock price been so low? Elon punches public opinion in the throat and then you guys talk about FSD and RoboTaxi. The company is the best in the world, obviously, so look to other external factors and the loss of confidence in the owner. (Yes🙄he has the right. But that doesn’t mean he has to use it. He has a megaphone that NONE of us do)
Omar at 56 minutes - good points. But IF the vote goes against Elon how will he feel about that rejection by his company? I would be pretty pissed myself (where I elon). Everybody here seems so sure the vote will pass - but there are a lot of shareholders who didn't hold in 2018. A yes vote will dilute their stock, while a no vote eliminates the dilution which was already priced in from 2018. So I am not that positive that the vote will pass (myself). I hope it passes, but am just looking at what happens to the stock price if it doesn't.
I should add that I already voted all my shares for the Board Recommendations. So I voted YES for the comp. package renewal and the move to Texas. I am just a bit worried the MSM press coverage will scare the voters and the pay package will not succeed. If my baby rejected me it would hurt pretty badly and I might leave. Just one person's opinion.
If Elon is a person who quit, he would have quit long time ago. There are so many occasions he could have quit yet he didn’t. Imagine this man who never quit on all impossible task yet quit on failing vote? I doubt that will be the case… I could be wrong but somehow it’s unimaginable he quits so easily
I think he is putting more weight on elon leaving than you think, and that he is betting on elon primarily. Not crazy to sell off before a major decision about hus compensation
My 1700 shares voted yes with all board recommendations. It's a fairly small amount in the grand scheme, but my vote will be counted in favor of Elons pay package. He already earned it ffs.
My biggest concern with the votes is that it requires basically full institutional approval plus some retail on top, and many retail investors wont even know this is happening - or know how to, or care to take part in, the vote. Let alone understand the implications to a point to decide one way or the other. Many wont even be able to vote, due to their brokerage or from which country they're investing from, it'll be a tough proposition. 70%? Here's hoping.
1 thing I have not heard anyone talk about is is the 2018 package is not reapproved a new one is likely to be approved and it could be accepted by Elon.
Sawyer says video has hints (around 52 minutes). I agree. But doesn't that indicate they are trying to pump the vote? They know where the vote stands now and if they feel the need to advertise or pump the vote, doesn't that indicate it is negative so far?
Tesla might lose Optimus but FSD is that close I think, Tesla will implement FSD and get the financial rewards from that. Kathy notes that Autonomy is the main case for their valuation.
There are many pro’s to Elon leaving Tesla. I’d 1000% like Elon to stay, the company has much more longterm potential to Elon staying, but I’m not selling my position if Elon leaves. I absolutely believe Tesla can 10x on Level 4 or 5 autonomy alone.
The successor to Elon doesn’t have to be a genius with the vision, the foresight or the inventiveness as Elon to be very successful and 10x the stock. The successor only needs to execute the existing game plan for Tesla Energy (Megapacks), FSD, the CyberCab, and the Tesla Bot (not to mention Tesla’s EV sales business). A very good hard-nose executor is all that is needed at this point in Tesla’s maturity. There may not be a Tesla VTOC, or heat exchanger for houses and businesses, or super AGI, but the existing plateful that Tesla currently had is enough, if executed judiciously, will 10x Tesla in the next 5 years or less.
Let's not forget that much of Tesla's technology is deliberately Open Source. Many have observed that this might help Tesla defend itself against accusations of monopolistic behavior. Has anyone pointed out this might also enable Elon to build his own AI and robotics company separate from Tesla? Not what we shareholders want to see, but Elon must keep in mind the corporate experience of Steve Jobs.
Lots can be said about this but the most important is this. I’ll bet 90% of retail votes for the two proposals, which would get us to like 40% already. So only a relatively small percent of funds need to also, and many already said they are. The big take from this is, these fund managers aren’t stupid. If they vote no to both and Elon gets fed up and quits (I don’t think he would even if both fail) this would cause a mass fear and exodus from retail, which owns 40ish percent of the stock. The fund managers would be shooting themselves in the foot by voting no as it would almost certainly tank the stock for at least a few months if not longer. Fund managers are here to make money, not play politics.
@@davemilke3110 im confused by the comment. did you mean "care" to explain? idk about fund managers performance, like you said, id just invest in SP500 if not tesla. but everyone knows tesla has mass retail holders and the holders love elon in general despite what all the bad press tries to force upon us. maybe a lot of people dislike elon outside of investors (im skeptical too) but those who actually have money in tesla generally like him even if they dont love everything he says
Tesla will still end up being the largest company ever with a stratergy that is goood for manking. And Elon will always have influence, no matter what happens. TESLA is now unstoppable
I was only allowed to vote for qlmost 60% of my total share count. I did buy mores stocks after april. Was there a cut off on timeline that i showed have owned before a specifi date?
Hello I live in Switzerland. I checked with my bank and I am not able to vote, period. Today the stock is down a lot, I dont know why. Nvidia is up around 10%. Is this normal? I was thinking after yesterdays god video came out, that an upside swing is in.
Do the mutual fund companies have an outsized voting rights due to the amount of customers Do they get a vote for each customer that owns tesla shares ?
I wounder why people who bought shares after the deal was voted for, have a say in something they were not connected to. The deal was set in place then. So shares bought after the deal don't count. That should be looked at by the legal team. We want Ealon to get his just deserve.
I agree that this vote will not result in Elon leaving. I do, however, think Tesla needs to address Elon’s concern over ownership/control within Tesla. If this is not addressed, Elon’s involvement at Tesla will diminish. This vote (2018 Comp & TX move) is related to his future involvement… less Elon is bad news for Tesla’s long term growth.
It's only partly true that Swedish Tesla stock holders can now vote. The bigger stockholders hold their shares via an insurance company in Endowment insurances or Pension insurances and they do not get to vote as of right now. The problem is not solved yet.
Elon is like an amazing race horse - people don't bet against him in the race but to buy into the horse ownership - we know what the value of a horse is if it breaks a leg - only cat food
I think anyone voting against the board are either trying to short the company(either long term or short term) as a financial strategy or bitter people making an emotional decision.
The right thing for him to do is probably push through it but if i was Elon my motivation would be tarnished. In the back of my mind i would not stack any more money makers under Tesla umbrella in future..
The reason elons companies do well ,is he hires on merit, he goes then targets are not met then hardly anyone gets fired and the whole feeling and emotion side take over and woke the shit out of the company
How do you recognize a pathological liar? Embellishing lies with extensive details, Telling dramatic and highly unlikely stories, Appearing anxious while talking, Getting defensive when confronted about a lie, Constantly changing their story or being vague when questioned, Lying about something even when there’s no reason to, Seeming unconcerned with being caught in a lie, Feeling a “high” when they get away with lying, Passing off a story someone else told as their own, and Acting in ways that don’t match their words. Does this sound like Elon and all the Tesla Pumpers and tell you BS story's and how to vote or else.
Tesla has a huge total addressable market and strong competitive advantages. The issue is a CEO who firstly does not understand marketing and secondly, compulsively antagonises large swaths of the target population. The key man risk is that he may flame out because he is so unstable. And these are the reasons why Tesla is looking less and less like a high conviction investment for an investor with a really long term horizon.
I have Musk re-arrangement syndrome. My model is that the stock will drop by the percent proportional to the shares that vote against Musk pay package. So I would guess the lower edge of the trading band is now going to flirt with the 4/22 low of 142... I wish the board had split the difference and offered MUSK a reduced payment, with the reduced part repackaged as a future benefit. I think there is a good chance Tesla would do well without Musk as CEO. My problem is that Musk's overlapping control of companies creates potential conflicts of interest. Another problem is that Musk may be right about fsd for the first step, but is quite possible he's not going to appreciate the next big improvement in visual learning if its not his own idea. 1:04 fud now coming from inside, thanks elon
I don’t think Elon will do anything to damage Tesla in a dramatic way. If he does he would damage every other company he owns or will own in the future because he would be known as someone you can’t trust and I don’t think that is what Elon wants his legacy to be.
Every time over the last 10 years the thought of will Elon let me down, it didn’t happen. It is a genuine concern but I will not mitigate by selling an %.
One word: MARS. Elon's primary goal is held in that word. He can't get there without Tesla's Optimus, real world autonomos navigation, autonomous electric vehicles, solar energy, and mineral processing. He also needs autonomous mining and subsurface factory and living quarters construction (The Boring Company) and transportation and Mars wide communication (SpaceX). His major missing component is energy. Atomics would give him the power he needs to run operations including boring, refining, processing fuel, water, and air, and a nuclear rocket engine to cut transport time to and from Mars by over 50% (AtomicX). First launches will be one way, Optimus manned, and every once of mass delivered will be consumed. Subsequent trips will be completed in 3 loops: 1) Earth to orbit to Earth, 2) Earth orbit to Mars orbit to Earth orbit, and 3) Mars orbit to Mars to Mars orbit. Elon needs Tesla too much to let it become just a car company. Soon Tesla will be locked onto pathways to deliver his needs without his direct supervision. PS: Space elevators?
I think whichever way the vote goes, nothing will end, it’s just the first step. I believe Elon is a fighter, he won’t walk away from Tesla, he will fight to the end.
People panicking over nothing . Elon will not decimate his own wealth which is Tesla. His SpaceX stake is big but SpaceX PE is eye watering high vs current income coming in . Amazing potential with Starlink but that has to IPO first .
I also think that Tesla can offer Elon another Comp package for the next 10 years in a similar structure but targeting getting the company to $6tn from the current $600bn and if he hits targets Musk gets $4-500bn of share options. With that target shareholders will support it and Tesla would need to get more independent BOD give shareholders all relevant info. Basically address the issues raised by this rather biased judge. She said it was not fair but then could not define what was fair.
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Warren said 20% out.???? How many shares we talking about. I have 5,088 shares and I am sticking with Elon all the way 100%. He deserve what he deserve and a deal is a deal. I am Chinese and most Chinese might fight over a price but once the deal is made My people always stick to the deal
Warren with his holdings at 80% is still more all-in than you at 5000 shares. Share count does not matter.
warren has a couple millions in stock
@@MrValVetin dollars not share count though I think.
Warren is waiting for the crash so he can buy up cheap. i still think there's some short term pain ahead. I am currently holding north of $200k in a savings account waiting to take advantage of a huge opportunity. How do i avoid a crunch and maximize this?
Don't be in a hurry to get in. The market needs several days of strong performance to signal that the downturn might be over; i think It's a time to be largely, if not entirely, in cash
Inflation gives the illusion of growth. Investors should exercise caution with their exposure and exercise caution when considering new investments during these periods.
The truth is that this is really not as difficult as many people presume it to be. It requires a certain level of diligence, no doubt, which is something ordinary investors lack, and so a financial advisor often comes in very handy. My friend just pulled in more than $84k last month alone from his investment with his advisor. That is how people are able to make such huge profits in the market
@curbalnk I've been considering but haven't been proactive. Can you recommend your advisor? Could really use some assistance.
*Kristin Amber Landis* is the licensed advisor I use. Just research the name. You’d find necessary details to work with to set up an appointment.
Ive worked for corporate jobs my whole life and rarely are the CEO’s present in the office . Even with all the companies Elon manages, he is still more present at Tesla than any other CEO of any corporation is present at their single job.
I really can't believe shareholders would backstab Elon and vote against the pay package... this was already a done deal... Kathaleen McCormick should be stripped of her license and be criminally charged for stock manipulation.
Perhaps shareholders are not satisfied with how Elon has performed as a CEO since aquifer Twitter. The stock has plummeted, along with global public opinion for both Elon and Tesla.
Voted yes today via Freetrade in the UK🤓
Jeff Lutz is always articulate and calm. Spot on Jeff 🤙!
I am Warrens age and am all in Tesla however I also liquidated 33% of my hold at 216$
Why
Because I am 62 and have been here before. 33% allowed me to remove about $120k which was twice my initial investment because stuff can go wrong
China could invade Taiwan for instance then what? .. saying it wont happen is being certain of world events and no one can be sure
Again I am 62 I have lived to see things I was certain of not happen, and things I knew would not happen happened understanding you can be wrong allows you to adjust future risk
NOW if Tesla succeeds I get 2/3 rds the gains if it mucks up or the world shifts I have $120k to support myself.
Risk of China invasion of Taiwan is huge. Taiwan may blow up 3 gouges dam and bring a catastrophic flood. Maybe gigamexico will be online by then.
Totally agree with selling some shares. This mentality of having millions yet not selling a share is moronic.
@@wheelofcheese100 Most of us want to get to having millions by owning Tesla but we don't want to go broke in the process.
@steveK I’m the same age as you.
The difference is, I actually think they are the closest to FSD.
It’s going to happen ! Simple as that.
You can join Warren in the corner of the room.
@@maxflight777 I also think it will happen , I have 2/3 rds of my shares
So you 101% certain China can`t invade Taiwan?
You 101% sure a black swan event like Covid or Ukraine war or Israel conflict of a nature that effects Tesla can not happen eh? You saw them ALL and knew how it would effect your shares eh?
Well your 62 years have obviously given you greater wisdom than me I salute you sir.
Herbert, This is a question of who controls the company.
Anyone can die at any moment. I accept this. This vote is a referendum on who should control the company, not an act of fate.
So the key-man hypothesis is not relevant.
If this vote does not go through on the item of EM's compensation package. Then that is evidence the company is in the control of short term speculators. Tesla is not built for that kind of thinking or lack of it.
I have taken every opportunity to vote in favor of EM's compensation package.
I suggest everyone hunt down every available account you have and vote your shares accordingly.
Yes, Mark, I agree. The key issue "does Tesla keep Elon's vision and courage to continue doing great things" or does it fall into the clutches of the self-interested parasites that run most other companies.
I just voted yesterday. I gave Elon his compensation back and agreed the move to Texas. This pay package was approved in 2018, and hopefully get approved again. Please vote now. It's easy, just look for the Tesla e-mail your broker sent you and press 'VOTE NOW'. Comment here if you already voted or planning to vote.
Way to judge… why are people reading Warren’s mind? Characterizing Warren’s decision as an emotional one isn’t in evidence. People are having an emotional reaction to his selling… evidenced by the judging.
I am concerned of this Voting thingi 😢. For my understanding, If Elon leave, Tesla’s future will turn vague. I am share holder since 2019. Kept buying whenever I have cash on my checking account. And tbh this is the first time I have this scared feeling since the first Tesla share I bought .
From $7K to $45K that's the minimum range of profit return every week I thinks it's not a bad one for me, now I have enough to pay bills and take care of my family.
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Gladdis Pamela. understanding of market indicators is impressive. She knows exactly when to enter and exit trades for maximum profit. her siignals are top notch
She's recognized as 'Mrs Gladdis Pamela. One of the finest portfolio managers in the field. She's widely recognized; you should take a look at her work.
Please how do I find this financial counselor?
I'd love to know this mentor of yours
Adrian sounds exactly like Elon Musk
I was saying the same thing
Really? You're the first person to notice that and comment on it.
holy crap, he does lol
I liquidated GOOGL and put everything on TSLA 🤑 See ya five years from now 🤘
Thanks for the vid Herbert and putting things in perspective. You and your guests are truly intelligent and my hat is off to you. Thanks 👍👍👍
Why does Elon have to create all this f*cking drama all the time. wtf
You mean why did a hait-filled judge take a token case from a 9-shares stockholder and use that as the basis to cancel e-lawns pay package?
Yep.
Wouldn't be happenning if the judge wasn't a corrupt activist.
@@BongoWongoOGWhat was corrupt about the ruling?
The truth is, elon already started optimus under tesla, and his duty as CEO(by law) is to do what is best for shareholders. If elon even tries to hold back Optimus its going to be a legal shit storm
LMAO, in what world where you have to work your best but we're not gonna pay you for your work. Oh, I forgot. The Delaware world.
@@anthonylieu9068 Even as dumb as the DE court rule is, it doesn’t remove an executive’s fiduciary responsibility in a publicly traded company.
@@anthonylieu9068 Its like Westworld but with less shareholder control by the company over the future of the robots
If Elon is ‘only’ a shareholder and not the ceo, he has no obligation to the other shareholders. Why would he, but only for his self interest. He has a lot of other interesting projects to immerse himself in.
Well let's make sure that we keep EM in shareholder jail - that's totally gonna work. Please, put down the hash pipe.
You say most of his wealth is tied to Tesla, but SpaceX makes a lot of money and has a lot of government contracts and also starlink
Hi Herbert
First let me say that I watch your channel often and especially watch when Herbert has one or more of my 3 to 4 favorite guests on - I've learned a lot from them. In fact, one of those favorites is actually on this panel today.
That said, I did not 'get brighter' watching this particular podcast. I did, however, get considerably 'duller' listening to a group of people who are either genuinely confused about EM and Tesla, or at the very least, gleefully whistling past the graveyard of a stunted technical future for us all.
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Please consider the following points:
1) WR was misquoted and misunderstood countless times, by some in this panel. WR never said that EM would definitely leave Tesla, he simply raised the questions as to why he would stay if he was treated so poorly by his own investors, what would be the possible outcome of the EM leaving, and what that outcome affecting the current stock price. To me, WR clearly raised areas-of-thought that should have been discussed by this panel. Instead of accurately discussing the many, many points that WR actually made, this panel appears to whistle past them as if they have no bearing on our collective, technical future.
2) EM is not your normal person. He has accomplished feats in the last 25/30 years that few beings in history have rivaled, and I include Edison and Newton in that rivalry. I worked with a man, also from South Africa, when I first started my career in Electrical Engineering. Just by walking into the lab, this man could raise the level of your talent in ways you couldn't have imagined. I owe a large part of my career and future maturity to that man. Why am I telling you this - because many times when I see or hear EM, I think of that man I worked with - they are both, peas in a pod.
3) If you want to know the (real) impact of EM musk on the Tesla company, go watch (or rewatch) the Lex Freidman podcast with Jim Keller. Jim says it all, in ways that only someone as brilliant as Jim can, from his ground-zero perspective. If you think you can merely get some 'super' CEO to replace EM (at this point in the Tesla 'stream crossing') you [do not] have a grasp of what EM brings to Tesla, and arguably the world.
4) If EM had been taken out of Tesla in 2016, I believe that Tesla would not have survived, regardless of the CEO that would have replaced him at the time - he was the 'heart and lungs' of Tesla back then, and IMO, still is today. There would be no EV's today, except for China's, without EM existing on planet earth. Would we have a bot, FSD, the cyber truck? No - and Tim Cook couldn't have ever conceived of these things. This panel tries convincing itself that the Tesla 'bench' is deep enough to carry on the Tesla mission, and that anyone who thinks otherwise is likely wrong - as if you're already making excuses as to why EM is no longer relevant to Tesla.
5) Yes FSD, the Bot, Robo taxi, etc. could roll out (at this point) without EM but at what speed, what effectiveness, and at what relative future - I would rather not find out, because unlike this panel, I think, I believe, the EM is a catalyzing force like few others in world history. If you think a 'Tim Cook' like CEO is going to magically pick up the baton, then I say [you] are likely wrong.
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To summarize:
TSLA is a substantial part of my stock portfolio. I am not going to sell my shares before the vote, and it is solely based on the hope that whatever happens over the summer will result in EM being happy and motivated. Did you hear that - EM being happy and motivated? Listening to this panel, you would not have heard arguments in support of this. In fact, some actual backhanded, shade.
I get that some of you may believe that EM is no longer as relevant being the 'powerhouse' that he once was - as if to say that the Tesla 'cake' has been baked and we should all just sit down and eat. That cake is far from baked, and I think that the chef has many more tricks up his sleeve, so I for one, don't want him to bring his talents to another bakery.
I have already voted all my shares in the affirmation of the board suggestions. Rather that hearing from the panel how the vote either doesn't matter (EM will stay regardless) or of course the votes will pass(nonsense), it would have been instructive for those of who care about Tesla the mission, EM the human being, about how this vote underscores both of those - rather than hear about your 'clever' views and prognostications on the future stock price of TSLA.
I get that many people throw shade on EM out of their own fear, their own jealousy, the blistering Mainstreet Medias drumbeat of FUD, and mostly, by the ignorance that comes from not knowing that you don't know something. Time may prove me wrong, but I heard a considerable amount of that particular ignorance in this particular podcast.
@52:00 I was like.... Elon that you?
That wasn't Elon? Lol
It's gotta be him lmao.
😂 same
whoa
I wish that there weren't programs like this because the uninformed and gullible will think it's him. And someone evil could totally mess with people's reputations.
The joke about Cornell left me laughing until the end
I think many miss the point of the fact that other companies ''get the Humanoid Bot'' that Tesla galvanised.If no one else was doing it they would be saying it's not important.Immitation is the best form of flattery.Many companies immitate but there is only one Tesla.
I listened to Warren's explanation and am very thankful he sold 20% and then gave this response to his haters. He lists a number of very important reasons for his position and I'm hoping a lot of people listen to that video. If they did they should realize how important voting their shares with the Board truly is. Thank you Warren!
Perfect summary by Omar at 54:00
I'm at 1:14 so I don't know if my thoughts are covered.
I am quite sure of the following...
We all need to remember that Elon plays chess in 4 dimensions. He thinks far ahead. He envisions scenarios of the future and their probabilities. He founded X-Ai to develop AGi with the intention of licencing it to Tesla (definitely) and others (probably). This method capitalizes on the inherent personal control he has of X-Ai + the manufacturing might and resources of Tesla.
I think he will pursue this path regardless of whether his compensation plan is ratified. The other thing we forgot is that Elon is able to manage SEVERAL companies concurrently so developing AGi at X-Ai AND CyberCab and Optimus at Tesla in addition to Neuralink et al is nothing novel to him.
Tesla will be X-Ai's most valuable customer.
Voted yes from Malaysia. contact your local brokerage.
I don’t understand why someone who sold 20% of their holdings now reveal it in the forums! It’s asking to be ridiculed.
It's ridiculous to ridicule selling 20%, or even 100%. Everyone has there own unique situation.
To me they have to negotiate another smaller comp package if it didn't pass.
NOOOO ... It leaves a bad taste.
yeah, how about $0
@Herbert ... this space was just starting to get hot, you should've kept it going longer (if possible)!
Remember Elon said Tesla and Space X are his children when these companies went through a hard time and facing bankruptcy. He said that he would not let his children die.... so I believe Elon will remain with Tesla and Space X for a long time.
To say I was surprised at WARREN's 💪❤ 20% sale is a gross -understatement... Personally, I see now as the worst time to liquidate ANY $TSLA stock as IMO it will or might "moon" soon... BUT we are all entitled to our own comfort levels... And, it was only 20%... I truly believe one has to not even look at $TSLA stock until mid-2025 at the earliest...
Those thai ladies are not cheap you know.
@@kenzaifun LOL he wants a wife so bad to have kids with, he is going to get robbed of his money! HA Crazy......
@@kenzaifun 🤣 Exactly, I was thinking the same... Female-acquisition or influence rarely helps 😊
I am Warrens age and am all in Tesla however I also liquidated 33% of my hold at 216$
Why
Because I am 62 and have been here before. 33% allowed me to remove about $120k which was twice my initial investment because stuff can go wrong
China could invade Taiwan for instance then what? .. saying it wont happen is being certain of world events and no one can be sure
Again I am 62 I have lived to see things I was certain of not happen, and things I knew would not happen happened understanding you can be wrong allows you to adjust future risk
NOW if Tesla succeeds I get 2/3 rds the gains if it mucks up or the world shifts I have $120k to support myself.
@@steve.k4735 All good.
Unable to vote in Aussie with two brokers, cant get control number
Let Tesla and Alexandra KNOW ASAP !
I'm in Oz and with Stake. I had zero problems with them doing my voting. Sorry to hear you've had problems (which two brokers btw?).
@@toby-xo6rb Nabtrade, ANZ, Webull, Plus500 are non voting brokers ... Commsec, stake, ordminnet, eTorro, Syfe are able to vote
I heard Australia can’t vote too
Tesla has hired people to reach out to shareholders to vote. I just voted as the board recommended except for the two board members.
Thank you for always giving us information.
You have to remember Warren can always jump back in
lol
Am I correct in understanding that a non-vote on this issue (Elon's compensation package) is counted as a "No" vote? Because if that's the case, my concern is that the vast majority of retail shareholders won't bother to vote. And if most of the institutional shareholders are voting "No," then. . . I'm not optimistic about the chances of the package passing.
I'm definitely concerned about this.
I am an oil and gas hawk. Don't own nor like electric cars. However, I'm investing in Tesla. The future is tangible and closer than we can imagine. Tesla has first mover advantage
I appreciate Warren's concerns and his outlook. I agree that NOT voting for Elon and the move to TX is a bad message. HOWEVER! I also know that Elon is the ultimate problem solver!! He has a vision and he will find a way. I and all my friends and family have voted with the board😁
Like Warren Buffett says bet on the leader.
Always bet on the people
Around the 15 minute mark I got dizzy trying to keep track of all the punches Jeff was pulling
Just voted 4000 shares for Elon
Elon needs to focus more on Tesla like Jensen is laser focused on Nvidia. Shareholders didn’t approve a $55b pay package for Jensen and the market cap is $2.5T.
No, and so what?
I agree. The whole Twitter/free speech crap looks to most people like he has taken his eye off the ball.
Jeff; nice way to think of this. I hope your take is where it goes. Herbert; great idea. He controls XAI. XAI could become the brains of Optimus. It comes down to will Elon hang in there like we are. I hope he knows we are on his side; bitching and complaining aside. Scott, you nailed it.
You guys act like you don’t understand how we got here. But you ignore a very important point. Just ask yourself, “what if Elon had not bought Twitter and not opened his big mouth about social and political issues?” Would the stock price been so low? Elon punches public opinion in the throat and then you guys talk about FSD and RoboTaxi. The company is the best in the world, obviously, so look to other external factors and the loss of confidence in the owner.
(Yes🙄he has the right. But that doesn’t mean he has to use it. He has a megaphone that NONE of us do)
Omar at 56 minutes - good points. But IF the vote goes against Elon how will he feel about that rejection by his company? I would be pretty pissed myself (where I elon). Everybody here seems so sure the vote will pass - but there are a lot of shareholders who didn't hold in 2018. A yes vote will dilute their stock, while a no vote eliminates the dilution which was already priced in from 2018. So I am not that positive that the vote will pass (myself). I hope it passes, but am just looking at what happens to the stock price if it doesn't.
I should add that I already voted all my shares for the Board Recommendations. So I voted YES for the comp. package renewal and the move to Texas. I am just a bit worried the MSM press coverage will scare the voters and the pay package will not succeed. If my baby rejected me it would hurt pretty badly and I might leave. Just one person's opinion.
If Elon is a person who quit, he would have quit long time ago. There are so many occasions he could have quit yet he didn’t.
Imagine this man who never quit on all impossible task yet quit on failing vote? I doubt that will be the case… I could be wrong but somehow it’s unimaginable he quits so easily
I think he is putting more weight on elon leaving than you think, and that he is betting on elon primarily. Not crazy to sell off before a major decision about hus compensation
My 1700 shares voted yes with all board recommendations. It's a fairly small amount in the grand scheme, but my vote will be counted in favor of Elons pay package. He already earned it ffs.
My biggest concern with the votes is that it requires basically full institutional approval plus some retail on top, and many retail investors wont even know this is happening - or know how to, or care to take part in, the vote. Let alone understand the implications to a point to decide one way or the other. Many wont even be able to vote, due to their brokerage or from which country they're investing from, it'll be a tough proposition. 70%? Here's hoping.
I have less than 500 shares and I'm sticking with Elon, no question!
1 thing I have not heard anyone talk about is is the 2018 package is not reapproved a new one is likely to be approved and it could be accepted by Elon.
Why would the shareholders vote yes on a new package when then just voted no on the one he already earned?
Sawyer says video has hints (around 52 minutes). I agree. But doesn't that indicate they are trying to pump the vote? They know where the vote stands now and if they feel the need to advertise or pump the vote, doesn't that indicate it is negative so far?
Tesla might lose Optimus but FSD is that close I think, Tesla will implement FSD and get the financial rewards from that. Kathy notes that Autonomy is the main case for their valuation.
There are many pro’s to Elon leaving Tesla. I’d 1000% like Elon to stay, the company has much more longterm potential to Elon staying, but I’m not selling my position if Elon leaves. I absolutely believe Tesla can 10x on Level 4 or 5 autonomy alone.
If you're smart, you'll support Elon's pay package
OMAR💪❤ "nailed it !"
The successor to Elon doesn’t have to be a genius with the vision, the foresight or the inventiveness as Elon to be very successful and 10x the stock. The successor only needs to execute the existing game plan for Tesla Energy (Megapacks), FSD, the CyberCab, and the Tesla Bot (not to mention Tesla’s EV sales business). A very good hard-nose executor is all that is needed at this point in Tesla’s maturity. There may not be a Tesla VTOC, or heat exchanger for houses and businesses, or super AGI, but the existing plateful that Tesla currently had is enough, if executed judiciously, will 10x Tesla in the next 5 years or less.
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Let's not forget that much of Tesla's technology is deliberately Open Source. Many have observed that this might help Tesla defend itself against accusations of monopolistic behavior. Has anyone pointed out this might also enable Elon to build his own AI and robotics company separate from Tesla? Not what we shareholders want to see, but Elon must keep in mind the corporate experience of Steve Jobs.
I am under Florida sunshine. Big supportive of Elon
Lots can be said about this but the most important is this. I’ll bet 90% of retail votes for the two proposals, which would get us to like 40% already. So only a relatively small percent of funds need to also, and many already said they are.
The big take from this is, these fund managers aren’t stupid. If they vote no to both and Elon gets fed up and quits (I don’t think he would even if both fail) this would cause a mass fear and exodus from retail, which owns 40ish percent of the stock. The fund managers would be shooting themselves in the foot by voting no as it would almost certainly tank the stock for at least a few months if not longer.
Fund managers are here to make money, not play politics.
Here to make money explains why 90% haven't beaten the s&p?
They make money on their clients.
@@davemilke3110 im confused by the comment. did you mean "care" to explain?
idk about fund managers performance, like you said, id just invest in SP500 if not tesla. but everyone knows tesla has mass retail holders and the holders love elon in general despite what all the bad press tries to force upon us. maybe a lot of people dislike elon outside of investors (im skeptical too) but those who actually have money in tesla generally like him even if they dont love everything he says
Tesla will still end up being the largest company ever with a stratergy that is goood for manking.
And Elon will always have influence, no matter what happens. TESLA is now unstoppable
Im very interested in what "Adrian Dittmann” thinks... I would love to see him as a regular guest. 😉
It's not Elon.
@@MarkXHollandreally?
Though I wouldn’t sell like Warren, he did say that he intended to buy back in after the report.
Yeah, from Australia. I have a few shares with a major Aussie brokker, I can't vote.
Who are you with?
Nabtrade, ANZ/CMC, Webull, Plus500 are not able to vote ... Commsec, stake, ordminnet, eTorro, Syfe - can vote
I was only allowed to vote for qlmost 60% of my total share count. I did buy mores stocks after april. Was there a cut off on timeline that i showed have owned before a specifi date?
Hello
I live in Switzerland. I checked with my bank and I am not able to vote, period.
Today the stock is down a lot, I dont know why. Nvidia is up around 10%. Is this normal? I was thinking after yesterdays god video came out, that an upside swing is in.
Do the mutual fund companies have an outsized voting rights due to the amount of customers
Do they get a vote for each customer that owns tesla shares ?
I wounder why people who bought shares after the deal was voted for, have a say in something they were not connected to. The deal was set in place then. So shares bought after the deal don't count.
That should be looked at by the legal team. We want Ealon to get his just deserve.
Who is NVDA biggest customer…..is there any further “fear”…….??…..the market moves in tandem but who is “the real fuel”?
Even if Elon takes Optimus and AI outside Tesla, Auto, FSD and Energy will get us there anyway.
I'm a long term bull, and I'll sell some when needed. What's the big deal
I agree that this vote will not result in Elon leaving. I do, however, think Tesla needs to address Elon’s concern over ownership/control within Tesla. If this is not addressed, Elon’s involvement at Tesla will diminish. This vote (2018 Comp & TX move) is related to his future involvement… less Elon is bad news for Tesla’s long term growth.
All they have to do is give smaller incentives more often for Elon. The same total is fine just broken up, not all in 1 shot.
It's only partly true that Swedish Tesla stock holders can now vote. The bigger stockholders hold their shares via an insurance company in Endowment insurances or Pension insurances and they do not get to vote as of right now. The problem is not solved yet.
I would like your opinion regarding Tesla competition from very nice looking $10K BYD vehicles. Can these come to US via Mexico?
I think they said Leo owns .1%, but he owns 1%!! Big difference
what scale advantage does tesla have in robot manufacturing or collecting data for that matter? compared to large electronics manufacturers.
The theory that share holder's won't vote against Musk's comp plan because it's against their interest isn't the case with Leo Kuguan. Jeannine
Elon is like an amazing race horse - people don't bet against him in the race but to buy into the horse ownership - we know what the value of a horse is if it breaks a leg - only cat food
I think anyone voting against the board are either trying to short the company(either long term or short term) as a financial strategy or bitter people making an emotional decision.
The right thing for him to do is probably push through it but if i was Elon my motivation would be tarnished. In the back of my mind i would not stack any more money makers under Tesla umbrella in future..
If shareholders go back on their words, I wouldn't blame Elon leaving and taking AI team with him even though I'm 100% invested in Tesla.
Elon's joke at the the end was epic.
Elon overreacted with the Superchargerteam. He could have reduced 50-80%, but not fire everyone.
Elon knows the future financial numbers he needs to meet.
You have no intel on the actual circumstances…so no…you are speculating in lieu of trusting someone’s judgement.
You know better than Elon, now?
The reason elons companies do well ,is he hires on merit, he goes then targets are not met then hardly anyone gets fired and the whole feeling and emotion side take over and woke the shit out of the company
How do you recognize a pathological liar? Embellishing lies with extensive details, Telling dramatic and highly unlikely stories, Appearing anxious while talking, Getting defensive when confronted about a lie, Constantly changing their story or being vague when questioned, Lying about something even when there’s no reason to, Seeming unconcerned with being caught in a lie, Feeling a “high” when they get away with lying, Passing off a story someone else told as their own, and Acting in ways that don’t match their words. Does this sound like Elon and all the Tesla Pumpers and tell you BS story's and how to vote or else.
Tesla has a huge total addressable market and strong competitive advantages. The issue is a CEO who firstly does not understand marketing and secondly, compulsively antagonises large swaths of the target population. The key man risk is that he may flame out because he is so unstable. And these are the reasons why Tesla is looking less and less like a high conviction investment for an investor with a really long term horizon.
I voted Yes? $2000 by Friday.
Elon can have my voting rights.
Adrian is elon. Elon is Adrian. Elons a man!
I never fail to have a double take moment when Adrian is first speaking.
Tesla shares are gonna be absolutely destroyed if it’s a negative result
I have Musk re-arrangement syndrome. My model is that the stock will drop by the percent proportional to the shares that vote against Musk pay package. So I would guess the lower edge of the trading band is now going to flirt with the 4/22 low of 142... I wish the board had split the difference and offered MUSK a reduced payment, with the reduced part repackaged as a future benefit.
I think there is a good chance Tesla would do well without Musk as CEO.
My problem is that Musk's overlapping control of companies creates potential conflicts of interest.
Another problem is that Musk may be right about fsd for the first step, but is quite possible he's not going to appreciate the
next big improvement in visual learning if its not his own idea.
1:04 fud now coming from inside, thanks elon
I don’t think Elon will do anything to damage Tesla in a dramatic way. If he does he would damage every other company he owns or will own in the future because he would be known as someone you can’t trust and I don’t think that is what Elon wants his legacy to be.
Every time over the last 10 years the thought of will Elon let me down, it didn’t happen. It is a genuine concern but I will not mitigate by selling an %.
One word: MARS.
Elon's primary goal is held in that word. He can't get there without Tesla's Optimus, real world autonomos navigation, autonomous electric vehicles, solar energy, and mineral processing. He also needs autonomous mining and subsurface factory and living quarters construction (The Boring Company) and transportation and Mars wide communication (SpaceX). His major missing component is energy. Atomics would give him the power he needs to run operations including boring, refining, processing fuel, water, and air, and a nuclear rocket engine to cut transport time to and from Mars by over 50% (AtomicX). First launches will be one way, Optimus manned, and every once of mass delivered will be consumed. Subsequent trips will be completed in 3 loops: 1) Earth to orbit to Earth, 2) Earth orbit to Mars orbit to Earth orbit, and 3) Mars orbit to Mars to Mars orbit.
Elon needs Tesla too much to let it become just a car company. Soon Tesla will be locked onto pathways to deliver his needs without his direct supervision.
PS: Space elevators?
I think whichever way the vote goes, nothing will end, it’s just the first step. I believe Elon is a fighter, he won’t walk away from Tesla, he will fight to the end.
People panicking over nothing . Elon will not decimate his own wealth which is Tesla. His SpaceX stake is big but SpaceX PE is eye watering high vs current income coming in . Amazing potential with Starlink but that has to IPO first .
I’m liking it so far
I also think that Tesla can offer Elon another Comp package for the next 10 years in a similar structure but targeting getting the company to $6tn from the current $600bn and if he hits targets Musk gets $4-500bn of share options. With that target shareholders will support it and Tesla would need to get more independent BOD give shareholders all relevant info. Basically address the issues raised by this rather biased judge. She said it was not fair but then could not define what was fair.