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I think Tess' death is meant to mirror episode 1 with the guys that jumped her. She put up no resistance with the intent to harm them once she got the upper hand. That has probably been her survival strategy since the outbreak started.
I really appreciated Ellie getting bit during the episode as it made the comparison scene a lot more impactful and wandered a lot of question like “what if it was a one time thing”
@@jonahball0_0 well we ain’t on part 2 yet 😂 they saying it makes the adventure Ellie and Joel go on more impactful as he knows for sure that she’s immune
The fear she showed when the reality of what was about to happen settled in was some great acting. Normally people in that situation act all tough and heroic when in reality most of us would be freaking out, crying, trembling. She played the role really well I thought.
I’m amazed Tess held it together for that long. Earlier in the show, the infection warning sign said that symptoms would start in about 15 minutes especially depending on where the bite was on the body. And in the first episode we see how fast the Adlers change after getting bitten. About the kiss scene, when Tess is outed as being infected, she steps forwards towards Joel, maybe looking for comfort, but of course he backs away. I really believe that Tess wanted one last kiss from Joel. So in a really messed up way, the fungus warps her mind, giving Tess that physical comfort she wanted but instead with the infected.
You can actually see that when Joel backs away he puts his right hand about his waist, probably reaching for his gun, kinda showing how scary and this kind of distrust that immediately settles with the risk of the infection. (Sorry for bad English)
@@MrSdsok , her mind was already being altered by the fungus. That's why they didn't attack her right away... the fungus could see that she was already fully infected.
During the kiss, all I could think about was how the fungus was choking her while spreading down her throat and she kept trying to ignite the lighter. Horrifying. I was disturbed and confused.
@transistorjump919 In truth, the fungus spreads all over the body. That's what we saw in the autopsy scene, the leg slit open nothing but a wall of fungi within. And to go to the brain, they need to go through the throat, or fastest option, up the nostrils.
The reason she dropped the lighter was because of the muscle spasms the infection induces. At first I thought she was just shaking from panic, but considering how her brain is probably being controlled in that moment it’s possible it’s the muscles spasms.
@3razerhead799 That quick? Well, it could be a possibility. But at the last minute, she closed her eyes, knowing the impact of the explosion was coming. The scene wanted to show a beautiful version of transitioning from human to infected; being welcomed to the new pack. But in her own way, Tess rejected it and completed her last attempt for the sake of saving humanity.
I think the infected man already could tell that she was infected, and that's why the horde didn't attack her. It's kind of like in World War Z when the horde ran around the little boy that was sick. There's no point in attacking what's infected already. So I think that weird kiss they had was a way of showing her that she's one of them now.
its safe to assume if she tried to run instead of accept it (a last desperate attempt to flee) they would have torn her apart, they are very simplistic creatures, despite the extensive hive network
I thought about it, but that would Be a major hole in the story, as they would not attack Ellie. I understand the producers tried to Make it a poetic thing, but i believe Tess would die fighting. Shooting then, and at some point, she would be too terrified and would try to run. She would be eventually be tackled down but would find a Way to blow everything up.
Showrunners already explained it. If a victim defends itself, the infected will attack violently. If a victim gives itself in, the infection will being spread more energy efficient.
@@beatrizborges1041 True but the infection in Ellie is mutated or completely stopped. I’m guessing because it was progressing normally in Tess they recognized her and tried to speed it up.
Grenades were just there to shoot out shrapnel, yeah sure it can probably light the fuel but grenades don’t have a fireball explosion like movies, so the lighter was definitely the right move, but tbh she would’ve been better off trying to get one of the lighter sparks to hit the gasoline if it didn’t light
Honestly to me it wasn't a kiss, but the zombie realizing she was already infected and just "infecting" her more. The mouth was just the most effective way to deliver more of those fungi or whatever you want to call it
Hearing Tess speaking in this episode, I kept thinking, who the hell is that? I know that voice. When I looked it up and found out it was Anna Torv from the Fringe TV series, it made me like this show even more. Anna Torv is a fabulous actor, and one we don't see enough of. Also, she has one of the most beautiful voices I've ever heard. AND she's yet another Australian actor who can nail an American accent.
I took the kiss to mean that the infected already knew she was one of them; the tendril kiss was an unexpected moment of connection for the cordyceps. The mushrooms we can see above ground are the tip of the iceberg that is the mycorrhizal network, the rest of it is almost entirely underground. The connection and the communication of the mycorrhizal network is a fascinating and terrifying thing.
for me the reason she did not move away, since cordyceps affect the brain the fungus might have been already affecting her brain at that point, mind controlling her, since the other infected recognized already she’s infected and then she recovers and fights one last time, lighting that lighter
That was my theory of why she was having a hard time lighting the lighter. She was kinda fighting the infection that was rapidly taking control of her brain.
the worst part of this episode was watching Joel leaving with with Ellie without picking some additional firearms and ammo from that huge stash/cache of weapons and then see it all go in flames, what a waste.
The one thing that didn't make sense to me about the lighter scene is how many times they showed grenades on the ground and she didn't think of grabbing one instead of using the lighter, I mean panic can make you overlook things I guess?
I think that the acting is more extraordinary than the context of the kiss. I don't think that it was bait to shoot the scene in this fashion because the first moment that needs to work is essentially the last moment that works anyway... But as far as the acting goes, I thought that her eyes spoke for the whole scene. The acting wasn't overdone, and we get the "This is the only way" speech without actually saying those words. Her eyes do this for us, and we get sort of a fulfillment as we see that her purpose has been actualized.
I honestly love how Druckerman and Mazin have such a connected mind for this show. The way they met was also pretty dope. Both huge fans of each other and their work. Great duo for this show
As soon as Ellie was bitten, I knew that was gonna be their way to prove to Joel since he wouldn’t get to see her breathing in spores I called it as soon as I saw it lol
It seems to me that there are different colonies of fungi. I think Tess her colony tried to expand to Joel when she reached out to him after saying she's infected. She could infect Joel by giving him a kiss. Tess getting kissed by that one infected could state the same thing. She was ignored by a dozen other infected because they knew she was infected, they could still see so they knew she was infected. This one infected showed interest in her, and all the others stopped ignoring her. He's probably some sort of leader of his colony and he knew/sensed she was not part of his colony. He might know she is without a colony, since the colony in the museum died of when Joel killed the remaining infected there. (Or maybe he just took her over because Tess hasn't turned completely.) This could also explain why there are zones in cities without infected. The colonies would leave a neutral zone in between them.
@@cloberlobster2276 hey maybe you don’t have to share everything you wonder about and horrify the rest of us 😩 Just joking about with that comment. But it is horrifying to think about 😄 I really believe a show like this after we’ve been through a pandemic has to scare us even more somehow by even being MORE plausible
I actually really like this scene. It adds a whole new perspective to the Hive mind/ Horde. What if it felt right when she was having the mushrooms transferred to her? What if it felt calming to have it take over? Maybe it didn't take over, but it put a whole new set of traits and cravings. For example, they feel like other people that they once worked with are nothing rather than some monsters that killed their "friends" (I guess you could put it)? I'm not sure. I've got this whole idea but I can't put it into words :/
I guess they're waiting to introduce the human antagonists. But this is looking great and I just hope they don't pull any punches in regard to Joel being a "survivor" and not a "hero".
I felt the change showed another dimension to the fungus and showed the "intelligence " of it and how it can choose to be gentle when bringing in others too. Damb scary!
but its not supposed to have a hive mind...that's something that was created for the show. honestly don't know what the purpose of a hive mind fungus is.
@@OmegaTrooper It is directly out of reality my man. Look up "fungus forest". I assume most do not even know about this but the entire Rockies to west coast of America has a massive fungal "forest" right under the ground and it has been spread itself for hundreds of thousands of years. Scientists claim it, like animals, can sense dangers to it and alters its path to avoid those. No idea how to explain it further as I am not a scientists but I found that fascinating.
The kiss was a good touch, it forced me to interact with that scene but my question is what happens if she refused the kiss? Because we know they tear people apart but they didn’t tear her apart because she was already infected so why infect her some more? They could have just ignored her too because sooner or later she was going to join them
I was expecting a “World War Z” moment too. If the goal was to “welcome” her then she was already welcomed with the bite. If the goal was to reproduce, however, then it would make sense to have close contact.
@@jeremybyington Not necessarily reproduction. In the show, the infected being "connected" is something they brought up and showed that wasn't present in the games (as far as we know). I assumed this was somehow related to that on the part of the infected person - maybe verifying she was infected by making "contact" with the fungus that was already starting to take hold.
I love this concept behind the scene. It made me very uncomfortable to watch but then I realized that it wasn't supposed to be comfortable. The reasoning behind the change gives it so much more meaning and depth and I love it!!
This actually makes so much sense ! Thank you for this video. I honestly didn’t get it when I first saw this episode lol I was so confused by the kiss… Keep making these videos. We appreciate them
the 'kisser' sensed that Tess already has the cordyceps fungus inside of her so, it was just giving her a formal 'welcome to the club' kind of gesture.
Stupid ending scene and stupid justification...I don't want to play the woke guy but they would also only do this with a woman in a victim role. She could have gone out in every way possible, but nah lets go with a random sexual assault moment that makes no sense with what are basically violent zombies. Rest of the series has been great so far but the ending just felt weird and out of place.
One thing I don't see many people mentioning is the irony of the kiss, in that Tess' last moment is one of intimacy, but from entirely the wrong source, where just a minute before she implied that she loved Joel but he didn't love her back, or at least if he did, he didn't allow himself to express those feelings. So, perhaps the first pseudo-romantic intimacy freely given to her in who knows how long was from the antagonists of the series welcoming her in, but Joel was still so closed off that even the Infected were capable of showing her more affection than he was (at least "perceived" as affection; even if its intentions weren't romantic, it was still a weirdly gentle and kind of welcoming gesture). Which to me just made the whole thing that more sad. The look in her eyes at the end looked almost more sad than afraid to me which made me think she might have been thinking of Joel.
I get the analysis from the podcast and this video and I see what they were trying to do. I don’t necessarily hate it but it does create a problem for me in that this is the first and most likely the last time we’ll see someone be treated by the infected in this way. As interesting as the kiss was, I think it being (most likely) a one off takes away for me. Why Tess? Why this instance? Everyone else is attacked and bitten, brutally. In that respect, it doesn’t make a great deal of sense
Tess was already bitten. She was already being taken over. The infected already recognized her as being infected. This 'kiss' was for the process to speed along. Which obviously worked since she instantly lost more and more of her willpower.
@@MrAronymous Right, I get it but why? How many people have been bitten or are infected and will turn that aren’t kissed by another infected? My point is we’ve never seen this behaviour from the infected before and whilst I don’t know, I suspect won’t see it again. The writers put this in for all the reasons that have been explained and to bring some kind of juxtaposition to the moment of love and loss in one scene, I get it, but in reality it doesn’t make sense in context of the world. That’s the only issue I have with it… unless of course we see similar behaviour from the infected at some again. Somehow I doubt we will though.
What would've made that lighter scene better is if instead of the lighter turning on and tess dropping it, it would skip it to the outside scene when joel and ellie escape and then the explosion. it wouldve given the scene almost as a sign that she gave up but in the end she pulled though. i still liked how the scene was done, but the sense of quick doubt we would feel if they offscreened it wouldve been cool.
This is actually a fantastic idea. Cut away to Joel and ellie running away with no explosion then cut back to a quick shot of the lit lighter hitting the gasoline and back to ellie and Joel as it explodes
There is so much to that sequence, whatever people think about it (it is messed up) it is what will keep this show in people's minds for a long time. I can't get it out of my head. Kudos to all involved in creating this show, it truly is a masterpiece in only 2 episodes so far. I have not played the games, but I think I will after I have finished this season. Of course, that means I have to invest in a PlayStation console.
Their explanation is utter crap but I do like the intention of the scene. The infected aren't just zombies - they're being changed into a fungus, some sort of being. It's taking their humanity away in a human way. No other animal directly kisses like that. It's imitating humanity, almost mocking it or maybe trying to convey itself as comforting, when really it's overwriting your will. The fungus feels more alive now. It's not trying to love, it's trying to spread. It's trying to survive by spreading endlessly. When you think about it - when humanity dies out, the fungus loses. Without hosts, there's no survival..
Actually when they say the fungus is spread out underground as a network already, it kinda implies it doesn’t actually need humans. The goal is reproduction - not survival. It survives with or without humans. Humans just happen to be a very effective vector.
I interpreted the kiss as there was still shreds of left humanity in that infected, and maybe some sort of memory was triggered, causing him to comfort/kiss her in the way he did.
@@PersonaPrime part 2 had its strengths. My only issue with part 2 is it didn’t need to exist. The story was wrapped up perfectly with part 1. I think part 2 could be amazing in the show though the theme of the show is love can be so destructive, what if these mad lads show how hate could be healing. I don’t know I’m just rambling here. I would love to see a season between the first and second games to be perfectly honest.
The problem with Part 2 is many people didn’t understand the themes. Because you were playing as Joel in Part 1, many people didn’t realize there were no good people in this world. They thought they were Joel and they were heroes and their decision was a net good. Part 2 attacked and discarded them and they couldn’t engage the story for what it was.
The cordyceps infection in the show is so much more terrifying and cooler. I like the hive mind thing they added. Now the infected actually feel like some kinda characters who think. Not just brainless fungus people. Runners are your basic "see people and attack" type, stalkers are litte bit calmer and might kiss ya, clickers are terrifying and... blo... no spoilers. byee.
simple answer - vanity/narcissism of the writers, who of course this time is druckmann literally makes her death not about her and ruins the scene of her growth, what is with druckmann and hating tess, first original draft of tlou, then remake now here
Goddamn, Tess’s death was heartbreaking, even though it was expected. I loved how the director didn't flinch, showing us her final moment of defiance with that last flick of her lighter. She was able to give Joel and Ellie a fighting chance to continue their fight. She fought until the end and went down in a blaze of glory. Keep the puns coming, you chump. I can't wait to see what they do with the rest of the story. See you on the next breakdown, Paul.
Even though the reason as to why it was changed is valid I still just cant ignore the little details when there are so many good ones. There was one small detail that I personally didnt like: When Tess was looking for a map as to where the Fireflies were headed she knocks over a bunch of gas tanks as well as a container full of grenades. Why the hell does Joel not grab any of the grenades??? If the show writers are already gonna give Joel an AR then him grabbing some grenades shouldn't be out of the question. Going back onto the grenades, when Tess is trying to blow up the hoard and she realizes her lighter isn't working, why didnt she just grab a grenade and pull the pin. I mean she already spilled them all on the ground, just as she walked backwards and kept trying the lighter she couldve instead just grabbed a grenade and pulled the pin. To me it's not a big deal that small things like this happen, but when people out here are praising every single small change like its a good one I cant help but notice how its a shit one too. Overall episode 1 was 10/10 for me while episode 2 was a 6/10. I still am pretty hyped for the rest of the show too.
I think this more clearly portrayed Tess's strength, its one thing to go out in a blaze of glory but to stand against a force that will not be reasoned with or hesitate, to surrender yourself in complete physical submission to allow your mind to endure as long as possible in an attempt to resist, It was an incredible display of will. In my opinion this pays far more respect to her character
what's up at min 4:22 or so? is it part of a podcast? I love the conversation and the feeling of conversation. if it is a podcast, where can I listen to it?
I also saw that last scene as Tess looking the stalker right in the face, scarded that maybe that is what she is turning into, so scared she is flicking the lighter, but the process of turning is already happening while the stalker is getting closer. As they "kiss", she is scared and something in her fights to not turn into a stalker (also because this is the first episode we see clickers and stalkers up close) and finally she succeeds. Also showing that perhaps we always have a choice.
a good point bobatalks brought up is that why didnt she just use one of the grenades all over the floor instead of a lighter that didnt wanna light she could have just pilled the pin and waited to release it
I would like to think that the reason she tried the lighter again after giving up is the way the infected looked like we was going to kiss her reminded her of Joel which was comforting at first but then she decided to give it one more try for him.
As a fan of the videogame, it really pissed me off how they killed Tess, she was a tough ass woman, she died fighting, even after getting bitten, in the show, she stayed there, paralyzed and the zombie had an easy chance to "kiss" her. Fungi love? Seriously? That's bullshit, fungi spread, control the host, then slowly kill them.
I'm sorry,,, I'm calling it now. There's something wrong with Neil Druckman. Loving? Cordieps? Are fungi and mold not meant to be primal and instinctive? They show slime mold in the intro, which to me depicts how something so intent on it's survival, can seemingly portray intelligence but to label it as emotion is a stretch. I think this is a worthy adaptation but can we not forget to be critical! Why is nobody talking about casting issues, I love Pedro, but for Joel? cmon... We needed someone like Nikolaj Waldau where you can see the subtle nuances of his acting with his eyes just like Joel. Like I said, I'm not hating on the show but I just don't understand why everybody thinks it's critically acclaimed after episode 1 and 2.
I'm loving the show! They're doing such a great job! About Tess, at first, I thought she was giving in to the infection, joining the hivemind, and being forced to accept her fate as one of them. But then the last bit of her self triumphed.
I loved the hive mind and how it started, but the kiss was so weird for me I just couldn’t help but laugh. You can show love and affection or even unity without a kiss. The whole love can be violent just sounds rapey…
One thing to understand about fungi is that a single mycelium Matt is actually 100s of separate organism that combine in to one. It would be natural for two separate mycelium mats to seek each other out and conjoin.
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I like the little change they did in tess's demise.
F(ungi)-Boy just wanted to be a creep.
I liked it, you know elli picked up those grenades at the end
I think Tess' death is meant to mirror episode 1 with the guys that jumped her. She put up no resistance with the intent to harm them once she got the upper hand. That has probably been her survival strategy since the outbreak started.
who cares she's dead lol
I really appreciated Ellie getting bit during the episode as it made the comparison scene a lot more impactful and wandered a lot of question like “what if it was a one time thing”
Also after seeing Ellie get bitten for the second time Joel has no way but trust that Ellie is immune
@@paulkyle exactly. I like how it’s been proved 100% so Joel has to believe that there’s hope.
I think they just replaced Ellie breathing spores
In part two she gets bit a second time and nothing happens but i see your point
@@jonahball0_0 well we ain’t on part 2 yet 😂 they saying it makes the adventure Ellie and Joel go on more impactful as he knows for sure that she’s immune
The fear she showed when the reality of what was about to happen settled in was some great acting. Normally people in that situation act all tough and heroic when in reality most of us would be freaking out, crying, trembling. She played the role really well I thought.
Terrific choice of actor to play this part. It's kinda sad that she will not be a full-time character
she was shaking from the virus 😮💨
She played Tess so well in my opinion. Brilliant
If you enjoyed her acting watch Fringe!
Totally right! Like if a zombie started to sa me I would just sit there and go with the flow fr. Makes alot of sense doesn't it?
The lack of The Frog pianist being mentioned is astounding
🤣
Not mentioning him is an insult towards the French. lol
New favorite scene
10/10 *standing ovation*
Love that little guy
I’m amazed Tess held it together for that long. Earlier in the show, the infection warning sign said that symptoms would start in about 15 minutes especially depending on where the bite was on the body. And in the first episode we see how fast the Adlers change after getting bitten. About the kiss scene, when Tess is outed as being infected, she steps forwards towards Joel, maybe looking for comfort, but of course he backs away. I really believe that Tess wanted one last kiss from Joel. So in a really messed up way, the fungus warps her mind, giving Tess that physical comfort she wanted but instead with the infected.
Fuckkkkkkkkkkk i didn’t think about that kiss like that but fit perfect!
You can actually see that when Joel backs away he puts his right hand about his waist, probably reaching for his gun, kinda showing how scary and this kind of distrust that immediately settles with the risk of the infection. (Sorry for bad English)
great perpective
@@vichoaguirre5229 you’re good
Or the fungus already had some control when Tess stepped forward. Maybe the fungus saw an opportunity to spread to Joel through this last kiss.
The kiss sequence is so disturbing to me and the fire in the end gives Tess a so much greater significance. I loved the series’ versione quit a lot,
While watching I didn't think they were kissing, but the fungus was being transferred into her mouth, are you a girl btw?
@@MrSdsok The creators call it "the kiss" in the latest hbo podcast episode. How is their gender relevant lol
it doesn't, it makes it not about her but a weird moment that generates media buzz and controversy, ruins the entire point of it
@@MrSdsok , her mind was already being altered by the fungus. That's why they didn't attack her right away... the fungus could see that she was already fully infected.
@@MrSdsok what
During the kiss, all I could think about was how the fungus was choking her while spreading down her throat and she kept trying to ignite the lighter. Horrifying. I was disturbed and confused.
@transistorjump919 In truth, the fungus spreads all over the body. That's what we saw in the autopsy scene, the leg slit open nothing but a wall of fungi within. And to go to the brain, they need to go through the throat, or fastest option, up the nostrils.
The reason she dropped the lighter was because of the muscle spasms the infection induces. At first I thought she was just shaking from panic, but considering how her brain is probably being controlled in that moment it’s possible it’s the muscles spasms.
@3razerhead799 That quick? Well, it could be a possibility. But at the last minute, she closed her eyes, knowing the impact of the explosion was coming. The scene wanted to show a beautiful version of transitioning from human to infected; being welcomed to the new pack. But in her own way, Tess rejected it and completed her last attempt for the sake of saving humanity.
I thought it likes to keep the host alive while it controls the body
@@politereminder6284 Yes. I was referring more to the sensation of the fungi tendrils invading the space in her mouth/throat. Simply unpleasant.
Anna Torv is just a different kind of actor. Her wonderful acting is just fabulous. I wish we had the chance to see her more in the series.
I love her from Fringe
I hope we get Joel/Tess flashbacks for the show. This whole “we aren’t good people” and “make it right for all we’ve done” better get a pay off
I think the infected man already could tell that she was infected, and that's why the horde didn't attack her. It's kind of like in World War Z when the horde ran around the little boy that was sick. There's no point in attacking what's infected already. So I think that weird kiss they had was a way of showing her that she's one of them now.
its safe to assume if she tried to run instead of accept it (a last desperate attempt to flee) they would have torn her apart, they are very simplistic creatures, despite the extensive hive network
They would definitely attack Ellie despite she was infected.
I thought about it, but that would Be a major hole in the story, as they would not attack Ellie. I understand the producers tried to Make it a poetic thing, but i believe Tess would die fighting. Shooting then, and at some point, she would be too terrified and would try to run. She would be eventually be tackled down but would find a Way to blow everything up.
Showrunners already explained it. If a victim defends itself, the infected will attack violently. If a victim gives itself in, the infection will being spread more energy efficient.
@@beatrizborges1041 True but the infection in Ellie is mutated or completely stopped. I’m guessing because it was progressing normally in Tess they recognized her and tried to speed it up.
When The lighter wasn’t working I was like pls just go pick up one of the grenades
Grenades were just there to shoot out shrapnel, yeah sure it can probably light the fuel but grenades don’t have a fireball explosion like movies, so the lighter was definitely the right move, but tbh she would’ve been better off trying to get one of the lighter sparks to hit the gasoline if it didn’t light
Honestly to me it wasn't a kiss, but the zombie realizing she was already infected and just "infecting" her more. The mouth was just the most effective way to deliver more of those fungi or whatever you want to call it
The actor is listed on IMDB as “infected kissing guy”
@@pencil6965 lmao
mycelium
@@johnloverman that's the word haha. Thanks
Hearing Tess speaking in this episode, I kept thinking, who the hell is that? I know that voice. When I looked it up and found out it was Anna Torv from the Fringe TV series, it made me like this show even more. Anna Torv is a fabulous actor, and one we don't see enough of. Also, she has one of the most beautiful voices I've ever heard. AND she's yet another Australian actor who can nail an American accent.
I recognised her from Fringe too, well as an Aussie I knew her from Secret Life of Us. Big fan too.
Omg I loved her in Fringe. She’ll always be my Olivia Dunham . She was amazing in The Last Of Us
She tends to play characters based in Boston.
She is very good in mindhunter as well
I've seen her in mind hunter and it took me forever to recognize her. She was very elegant and proper in the series while she was beat up in TLOU lol
I took the kiss to mean that the infected already knew she was one of them; the tendril kiss was an unexpected moment of connection for the cordyceps. The mushrooms we can see above ground are the tip of the iceberg that is the mycorrhizal network, the rest of it is almost entirely underground. The connection and the communication of the mycorrhizal network is a fascinating and terrifying thing.
for me the reason she did not move away, since cordyceps affect the brain
the fungus might have been already affecting her brain at that point, mind controlling her, since the other infected recognized already she’s infected
and then she recovers and fights one last time, lighting that lighter
That was my theory of why she was having a hard time lighting the lighter. She was kinda fighting the infection that was rapidly taking control of her brain.
@@christopherjames6934 Interesting, when I watched I thought it was because of muscle spasms but that makes sense
the worst part of this episode was watching Joel leaving with with Ellie without picking some additional firearms and ammo from that huge stash/cache of weapons and then see it all go in flames, what a waste.
The one thing that didn't make sense to me about the lighter scene is how many times they showed grenades on the ground and she didn't think of grabbing one instead of using the lighter, I mean panic can make you overlook things I guess?
I think that the acting is more extraordinary than the context of the kiss. I don't think that it was bait to shoot the scene in this fashion because the first moment that needs to work is essentially the last moment that works anyway... But as far as the acting goes, I thought that her eyes spoke for the whole scene. The acting wasn't overdone, and we get the "This is the only way" speech without actually saying those words. Her eyes do this for us, and we get sort of a fulfillment as we see that her purpose has been actualized.
The games are already terrifying, but that kissing scene takes it to another level, psychologically. I was like; WTF??
Kept thinking she could have easily set everything on fire just with the sparks…. She didn’t need an actual flame…..
Oh my gawd thank you!! I’m like that shit is gas, a fucking idea will light that shit
Worse. She could have just grabbed a grenade. 🙄
Why is nobody talking about Joel not picking up at least ONE grenade? They’ve gotta be super rare to come by
@@firstlast9846 I was screaming at the tv “Grab a grenade! It’s RIGHT THERE AND FREE!”
@@firstlast9846there was so much good loot, I’m sure he was low on rounds after the clicker fight
The commentary from the creators on the podcast is really insightful
I honestly love how Druckerman and Mazin have such a connected mind for this show. The way they met was also pretty dope. Both huge fans of each other and their work. Great duo for this show
Everyone watching episode 2: “where the heck did she get a chicken sandwich from?”
A chicken?
I remember being like “dry, old jerky or chicken sandwich???? I take the sandwich too” lmfao
@@TChalla616 killing one chicken to make a sandwich in the apocalypse seems a bit frivolous lol 😂
@@nuffsaidny 🤣 People still gotta eat
She said “smugglers”
Anna Torv!! Amazing actress. Just amazing! Her eyes tell you every single feeling she has. What a delight to see her acting skills. Well done!
As soon as Ellie was bitten, I knew that was gonna be their way to prove to Joel since he wouldn’t get to see her breathing in spores I called it as soon as I saw it lol
It seems to me that there are different colonies of fungi. I think Tess her colony tried to expand to Joel when she reached out to him after saying she's infected. She could infect Joel by giving him a kiss.
Tess getting kissed by that one infected could state the same thing. She was ignored by a dozen other infected because they knew she was infected, they could still see so they knew she was infected. This one infected showed interest in her, and all the others stopped ignoring her. He's probably some sort of leader of his colony and he knew/sensed she was not part of his colony.
He might know she is without a colony, since the colony in the museum died of when Joel killed the remaining infected there. (Or maybe he just took her over because Tess hasn't turned completely.)
This could also explain why there are zones in cities without infected. The colonies would leave a neutral zone in between them.
Very interesting take 👏
The cordyceps infection is scarier in the show😢
Oh boy. It’s so terrifying. And nasty. And super uncomfortable. They’ve added so much more context to so many moments it’s sometimes overwhelming
And I’m fucking here for it! This new take on cordyceps is so interesting and makes so much sense
It makes me wonder if there are giants super fungal colonies that exist that are the center of these networks.
Since those exist in real life,
The intros frame it so well
@@cloberlobster2276 hey maybe you don’t have to share everything you wonder about and horrify the rest of us 😩
Just joking about with that comment. But it is horrifying to think about 😄
I really believe a show like this after we’ve been through a pandemic has to scare us even more somehow by even being MORE plausible
I actually really like this scene. It adds a whole new perspective to the Hive mind/ Horde. What if it felt right when she was having the mushrooms transferred to her? What if it felt calming to have it take over? Maybe it didn't take over, but it put a whole new set of traits and cravings. For example, they feel like other people that they once worked with are nothing rather than some monsters that killed their "friends" (I guess you could put it)? I'm not sure. I've got this whole idea but I can't put it into words :/
I do like how they changing the how the fungus works in the TV series. So you have the potential for hordes.
TB is it TV?
@@SuccessforLifester fixed lol
@@j_allmightee8934 Ah ok. Because many acronyms used these days and I am not sure if you are using one
Agreed. Getting hints of Days Gone with that addition.
I really appreciate having commentary from someone who played the games and understands the little things
The moment with Tesse was a tendril moment lol
Underrated comment
That kiss was body horror at its finest. Sent shivers down my spine, urgh
I guess they're waiting to introduce the human antagonists. But this is looking great and I just hope they don't pull any punches in regard to Joel being a "survivor" and not a "hero".
He does ask his brother to run over people to survive. So i think they established his character with that
I’m pretty sure they put the hospital scenario in one of the preview trailers.
I felt the change showed another dimension to the fungus and showed the "intelligence " of it and how it can choose to be gentle when bringing in others too. Damb scary!
I don’t think the infected are hostile to the other infected like Tess. I think it knew she was infected and it was speeding things along.
but its not supposed to have a hive mind...that's something that was created for the show. honestly don't know what the purpose of a hive mind fungus is.
@@OmegaTrooper something that helps hand wave away the lack of spores I assume.
@@OmegaTrooper It is directly out of reality my man. Look up "fungus forest". I assume most do not even know about this but the entire Rockies to west coast of America has a massive fungal "forest" right under the ground and it has been spread itself for hundreds of thousands of years. Scientists claim it, like animals, can sense dangers to it and alters its path to avoid those. No idea how to explain it further as I am not a scientists but I found that fascinating.
The kiss was a good touch, it forced me to interact with that scene but my question is what happens if she refused the kiss? Because we know they tear people apart but they didn’t tear her apart because she was already infected so why infect her some more? They could have just ignored her too because sooner or later she was going to join them
I was expecting a “World War Z” moment too. If the goal was to “welcome” her then she was already welcomed with the bite. If the goal was to reproduce, however, then it would make sense to have close contact.
I think it was more of a way to connect her to the ‘hive mind’ as a pose to infect her more
This was my reading of it, too.
@@jeremybyington Not necessarily reproduction. In the show, the infected being "connected" is something they brought up and showed that wasn't present in the games (as far as we know). I assumed this was somehow related to that on the part of the infected person - maybe verifying she was infected by making "contact" with the fungus that was already starting to take hold.
It's likely that it only kissed her to speed up the process
I love this concept behind the scene. It made me very uncomfortable to watch but then I realized that it wasn't supposed to be comfortable. The reasoning behind the change gives it so much more meaning and depth and I love it!!
This actually makes so much sense ! Thank you for this video. I honestly didn’t get it when I first saw this episode lol I was so confused by the kiss… Keep making these videos. We appreciate them
the 'kisser' sensed that Tess already has the cordyceps fungus inside of her so, it was just giving her a formal 'welcome to the club' kind of gesture.
That explains a lot, honestly. I love the acting so far, it’s been really great. Wish there was more of Tess in the series.
Stupid ending scene and stupid justification...I don't want to play the woke guy but they would also only do this with a woman in a victim role.
She could have gone out in every way possible, but nah lets go with a random sexual assault moment that makes no sense with what are basically violent zombies.
Rest of the series has been great so far but the ending just felt weird and out of place.
One thing I don't see many people mentioning is the irony of the kiss, in that Tess' last moment is one of intimacy, but from entirely the wrong source, where just a minute before she implied that she loved Joel but he didn't love her back, or at least if he did, he didn't allow himself to express those feelings. So, perhaps the first pseudo-romantic intimacy freely given to her in who knows how long was from the antagonists of the series welcoming her in, but Joel was still so closed off that even the Infected were capable of showing her more affection than he was (at least "perceived" as affection; even if its intentions weren't romantic, it was still a weirdly gentle and kind of welcoming gesture). Which to me just made the whole thing that more sad. The look in her eyes at the end looked almost more sad than afraid to me which made me think she might have been thinking of Joel.
that kissed messed me up too lol
I like the kiss because it was the fastest way for her to become part of the cordyceps mycobiota as well.
Thank you paul for this in depth breakdown. Twas very insightful
Love your breakdowns and yes spoilers. That scene with Tess was just brilliant in how haunting and poetic it was with her final gesture.
I get the analysis from the podcast and this video and I see what they were trying to do. I don’t necessarily hate it but it does create a problem for me in that this is the first and most likely the last time we’ll see someone be treated by the infected in this way. As interesting as the kiss was, I think it being (most likely) a one off takes away for me. Why Tess? Why this instance? Everyone else is attacked and bitten, brutally. In that respect, it doesn’t make a great deal of sense
Tess was already bitten. She was already being taken over. The infected already recognized her as being infected. This 'kiss' was for the process to speed along. Which obviously worked since she instantly lost more and more of her willpower.
@@MrAronymous Right, I get it but why? How many people have been bitten or are infected and will turn that aren’t kissed by another infected? My point is we’ve never seen this behaviour from the infected before and whilst I don’t know, I suspect won’t see it again. The writers put this in for all the reasons that have been explained and to bring some kind of juxtaposition to the moment of love and loss in one scene, I get it, but in reality it doesn’t make sense in context of the world. That’s the only issue I have with it… unless of course we see similar behaviour from the infected at some again. Somehow I doubt we will though.
Coming back every week to your channel after an episode of a show i enjoy take me back to the Agents of Shield days. Awesome. I miss that show
What would've made that lighter scene better is if instead of the lighter turning on and tess dropping it, it would skip it to the outside scene when joel and ellie escape and then the explosion. it wouldve given the scene almost as a sign that she gave up but in the end she pulled though. i still liked how the scene was done, but the sense of quick doubt we would feel if they offscreened it wouldve been cool.
This is actually a fantastic idea. Cut away to Joel and ellie running away with no explosion then cut back to a quick shot of the lit lighter hitting the gasoline and back to ellie and Joel as it explodes
Just realized you bypassed a million subs, congrats.
thank you
There is so much to that sequence, whatever people think about it (it is messed up) it is what will keep this show in people's minds for a long time. I can't get it out of my head. Kudos to all involved in creating this show, it truly is a masterpiece in only 2 episodes so far. I have not played the games, but I think I will after I have finished this season. Of course, that means I have to invest in a PlayStation console.
Their explanation is utter crap but I do like the intention of the scene.
The infected aren't just zombies - they're being changed into a fungus, some sort of being. It's taking their humanity away in a human way. No other animal directly kisses like that. It's imitating humanity, almost mocking it or maybe trying to convey itself as comforting, when really it's overwriting your will.
The fungus feels more alive now. It's not trying to love, it's trying to spread. It's trying to survive by spreading endlessly. When you think about it - when humanity dies out, the fungus loses. Without hosts, there's no survival..
Actually when they say the fungus is spread out underground as a network already, it kinda implies it doesn’t actually need humans. The goal is reproduction - not survival. It survives with or without humans. Humans just happen to be a very effective vector.
The kiss was weird to me. I hope it's not a recurring thing.
I agree. Ruined the moment for me. The fibers are incredibly unsettling to me though 🤢
I interpreted the kiss as there was still shreds of left humanity in that infected, and maybe some sort of memory was triggered, causing him to comfort/kiss her in the way he did.
My only thought was why she was using the lighter when all she had to do was pull the pin on one of the grenades.
I really liked that Clicker.
He seemed like a really Fun Guy!
Great video, the one thing that I don't understand is why did Tess hid the fact that she was infected in the first place wouldn't that endanger Joel?
They should have given us the Tess backstory!! No one would complain if they showed an extra scene 😩😩
The part were the zombie started to kiss Tess was just nasty
The series is improving the story
Now let's see if they can also fix part 2.
@@PersonaPrime the only problem everyone had was Joel dying if it was tommy people would fall in love with pt2
@@PersonaPrime part 2 had its strengths. My only issue with part 2 is it didn’t need to exist. The story was wrapped up perfectly with part 1. I think part 2 could be amazing in the show though the theme of the show is love can be so destructive, what if these mad lads show how hate could be healing. I don’t know I’m just rambling here. I would love to see a season between the first and second games to be perfectly honest.
@@SawYouDie I don't think it was the only problem, but even if it was, it's such a big one, I am not sure how the series will overcome it.
The problem with Part 2 is many people didn’t understand the themes. Because you were playing as Joel in Part 1, many people didn’t realize there were no good people in this world. They thought they were Joel and they were heroes and their decision was a net good. Part 2 attacked and discarded them and they couldn’t engage the story for what it was.
I'm here for that mushroom pun you dropped on us! You really are a fun-guy! ;D
I think the infection knew she was infected and wanted to boost the infection in her body to give her a jumpstart into the staging of the infection.
It was welcoming her. Gross 🤢
@@malekaius I think it was completing the process of transforming much quicker by making out. Lol
@@briandeluca4318 true 😂
The cordyceps infection in the show is so much more terrifying and cooler. I like the hive mind thing they added.
Now the infected actually feel like some kinda characters who think.
Not just brainless fungus people. Runners are your basic "see people and attack" type, stalkers are litte bit calmer and might kiss ya, clickers are terrifying and... blo... no spoilers. byee.
I thought that it was being gentle with her because it could sense some of the cordyceps in Tess through her bite.
simple answer - vanity/narcissism of the writers, who of course this time is druckmann
literally makes her death not about her and ruins the scene of her growth, what is with druckmann and hating tess, first original draft of tlou, then remake now here
The fact that zombies in this series dont die easily makes you feel like its hopeluess
They aren’t zombies.
The infected*
Thanks for the clarification. Enjoying the reviews!!
Goddamn, Tess’s death was heartbreaking, even though it was expected. I loved how the director didn't flinch, showing us her final moment of defiance with that last flick of her lighter. She was able to give Joel and Ellie a fighting chance to continue their fight. She fought until the end and went down in a blaze of glory. Keep the puns coming, you chump. I can't wait to see what they do with the rest of the story. See you on the next breakdown, Paul.
Even though the reason as to why it was changed is valid I still just cant ignore the little details when there are so many good ones.
There was one small detail that I personally didnt like:
When Tess was looking for a map as to where the Fireflies were headed she knocks over a bunch of gas tanks as well as a container full of grenades. Why the hell does Joel not grab any of the grenades??? If the show writers are already gonna give Joel an AR then him grabbing some grenades shouldn't be out of the question.
Going back onto the grenades, when Tess is trying to blow up the hoard and she realizes her lighter isn't working, why didnt she just grab a grenade and pull the pin. I mean she already spilled them all on the ground, just as she walked backwards and kept trying the lighter she couldve instead just grabbed a grenade and pulled the pin.
To me it's not a big deal that small things like this happen, but when people out here are praising every single small change like its a good one I cant help but notice how its a shit one too. Overall episode 1 was 10/10 for me while episode 2 was a 6/10. I still am pretty hyped for the rest of the show too.
Solid breakdown. Thanks for the vid!
It broke my brain realizing Tess was Olivia Dunham from Fringe!
I think this more clearly portrayed Tess's strength, its one thing to go out in a blaze of glory but to stand against a force that will not be reasoned with or hesitate, to surrender yourself in complete physical submission to allow your mind to endure as long as possible in an attempt to resist, It was an incredible display of will. In my opinion this pays far more respect to her character
Honestly I thought the clicker kissing Tess was because it could sense that she’s already been infected
Good to hear the logic behind the "kiss" but it still came off a more goofy than terrifying.
what's up at min 4:22 or so? is it part of a podcast? I love the conversation and the feeling of conversation. if it is a podcast, where can I listen to it?
Just glad you have a good take on this program about mushrooms, rather than a shiitake
I don't mind the changes, it brings something that makes me excited for the series. Upto now the show has been done perfectly
it was terrifying how amazing this shot was done
The fungus loves too??? Bruh that shits ridiculous
I also saw that last scene as Tess looking the stalker right in the face, scarded that maybe that is what she is turning into, so scared she is flicking the lighter, but the process of turning is already happening while the stalker is getting closer. As they "kiss", she is scared and something in her fights to not turn into a stalker (also because this is the first episode we see clickers and stalkers up close) and finally she succeeds. Also showing that perhaps we always have a choice.
a good point bobatalks brought up is that why didnt she just use one of the grenades all over the floor instead of a lighter that didnt wanna light she could have just pilled the pin and waited to release it
I would like to think that the reason she tried the lighter again after giving up is the way the infected looked like we was going to kiss her reminded her of Joel which was comforting at first but then she decided to give it one more try for him.
I felt the kiss was not needed
So. Which episode will it be in which it comes to light that the infected are just misunderstood and should be treated with respect and compassion?
As a fan of the videogame, it really pissed me off how they killed Tess, she was a tough ass woman, she died fighting, even after getting bitten, in the show, she stayed there, paralyzed and the zombie had an easy chance to "kiss" her. Fungi love? Seriously? That's bullshit, fungi spread, control the host, then slowly kill them.
Thank you, I always look forward to your breakdowns.
Didnt like the kiss but now after the explanation it makes sense.
I'm sorry,,, I'm calling it now. There's something wrong with Neil Druckman. Loving? Cordieps? Are fungi and mold not meant to be primal and instinctive? They show slime mold in the intro, which to me depicts how something so intent on it's survival, can seemingly portray intelligence but to label it as emotion is a stretch. I think this is a worthy adaptation but can we not forget to be critical! Why is nobody talking about casting issues, I love Pedro, but for Joel? cmon... We needed someone like Nikolaj Waldau where you can see the subtle nuances of his acting with his eyes just like Joel. Like I said, I'm not hating on the show but I just don't understand why everybody thinks it's critically acclaimed after episode 1 and 2.
Appreciate in-depth analysis.
Thanks for the video, Paul!
That scene was romantically horrifying. So tense. She was frozen by the fungus and couldn’t move away.
Actually, I agree. It was like she wanted the fungus.
People wanna be deep so badly
@@delectableprovisions and others just strive to be a-holes
Where can i find the Podcast. - i only find one back from 2020
Love the thought about the juxtaposition of love and horror.
I'm loving the show! They're doing such a great job!
About Tess, at first, I thought she was giving in to the infection, joining the hivemind, and being forced to accept her fate as one of them. But then the last bit of her self triumphed.
I loved the hive mind and how it started, but the kiss was so weird for me I just couldn’t help but laugh. You can show love and affection or even unity without a kiss. The whole love can be violent just sounds rapey…
It is rapey because her mind is turned against her will.
One thing to understand about fungi is that a single mycelium Matt is actually 100s of separate organism that combine in to one. It would be natural for two separate mycelium mats to seek each other out and conjoin.
Yeah the interview part in particular just sounded like someone trying to justify or normalize their weird sick fetish to me.
@@Ki_Adi_Mundi agreed it definitely put me off more to the whole scene.
@@GroundbreakGames no I get that it’s the way it was sexualized that was off putting.
I enjoying watching your videos 💪
Loving this show so far. Keep up the great videos!
great video! can't wait to see what other changes they make.
She's using a lighter while there are granades on the floor....
“There wasn’t mushroom” Lmaoooooo I’m dead 🦴 😂
Been loving the show so far
I would like to see a sort of time-lapse of an infected becoming a Bloater and being the same Bloater they fight later in the episode.