I actually had the chance to meet who tee who at the local gun shop in town and he was awesome I appreciate how nice you were I watch your vids everyday and really have enjoyed them for years now
I hate factory loads, we pulled apart 5 Hornady 450 bushmaster rounds and weighed the powder in each, they varied up to 2.6 grains in weight although the bullets actually weighed the same. Found a hand load with the Hornady bullets it likes and putting 3 shots in pretty much the same hole at 100 yards. This video just proves you can't rely on any particular ammo for any weapon, you have to find what it wants to eat and feed it what it likes.
Boyds stocks leave alot to be desired for precision. For one they tend to always need a bedding job to get any level of consistency. Also comparing bergers to Hornady hunter is like comparing a steak to fast food. Of course it likes it lol it's fantastic ammo
@@user-eg8hb8xt3jBarnes ttsx might not group as tight but hunting anything else is not it. I’ve herd how bad eldx is too. Never had in issue with Barnes. Just more like 3/4 moa max
I have found skinny barrels to be inconsistent in magnum cartridges even with handloads. Even my Tikka T3X Superlite in 7mag throws them around. Even the loads that shoot well through it, are inconsistent.
@@jwoo1800 7PRC and 7rem mag are virtually identical for 99% of normal people. I went down this rabbit hole a couple of months ago. My deer and elk will be just as dead out to 500 yards with either. Wind drift and bullet drop are so similar it’s negligible. The only people who would see the advantages is if you were in to ELR shooting.
One thing I've noticed ,for myself anyway, is that anytime I've ever tried to group magnum or hot calibers with a standard width barrel, I've never had any luck pulling tight groups. Usually around 1 1/2" or so. I think the harmonics of the barrel are not consistent. I'm a big fan of heavy barreled rifles, even if they are heavier. Best rifle for accuracy that I've ever owned was a Colt H-bar match ll AR 15. Shooting 55gr v-max. I could cover my groups with a nickel. That's saying alot for me, because I'm just an ol country boy
I was loading for my 7mm. Tried 67, 68 and 69 grains of powder. 67 had 3 touching, 68 was about 1.75” and 69 was about an inch. I definitely agree with you that the magnums especially in the thinner barrels are a lot more picky with harmonics.
That first group with the Berger load put a smile on my face. Can't believe there was that big of a difference - your gun just really doesn't much like the Hornady stuff. Ya just never know till ya try it.
The helps me a lot, been struggling with what factory ammo my Howa shoots, spent big money on some Norma loads and they were worse grouping than the hornady loads. Looks like I’m buying some Berger boxes next.
Thanks mate I couldn't get better than 1.5"" at 100m with Lithgow 308 and bergara 300prc, switched hand loads to sierra 168g for 308 and sierra 210 for prc, cut my group size in half, Appreciate your work Cheers Rob
WTW you are really great at what you do and I wanted to encourage you today! Keep up the great work, as I’m sure it at times feels difficult. But you’re a true American and an inspiration to us many small RUclips channels. You rock!
I really like my 300 PRC. Got the CVA Cascade and it groups really good so far but it’s only had the Hornady Precision Hunter through it - gonna try the Match next. I’m looking forward to the other options coming - Federal, Norma, Heavy Berger, and Remington options
Reload for that 300, take into mind that barrel isnt very thick.. use some h1000, retumbo, Vihtavuori n560, and i would bet youll find a extremely acceptable load.
I have as well, I bought a new 7 mm rem mag in the high country. I didn't think about barrel twist . wouldn't shoot the 162eldx so I just bought the Browning x bolt speed LR that had the 1-8 twist half inch groups now with everyone that pulls the trigger. eld x need a fast twist for sure. that high country will shoot 160 b tips in one ragged hole but a 162 eld looks like buckshot hit the target.
I have a remington 700 in 6.5 creedmoore that shoots the same way. Its even in a MDT LSS XL chassis. I think i will change the barrel out for a bergara barrel. If it groups, then I'll keep it.
Just for giggles,you should see if there is a difference with or without the can on the barrel. I always think about how important it is to have a good crown on the barrel. Makes me wonder if that can is throwing the slugs around. Also, you seem to like Remington corelocks. I never have luck with those. Try more federal ammo. Seems every rifle I've owned always performed best with federal. Just my 2 cents for what it's worth. Cheers.
You’re scaring me off the Howa 300PRC. 😂 I’ve had great luck with their non magnum loads but I’m not a huge fan of Berger. Edited to add: Wonder if it’s the extra weight of the other bullet and the 8.5 twist barrel. That should be fast enough for the heavy but who knows.
Go figure, of course it likes the high dollar stuff!. If it isnt already, you should bed the action in that stock and see if it isnt so ammo picky afterwards.
Man, I have tested the Hornady Precision Hunter in at least three calibers now; 270 Win, 6.5 PRC, and 7mm PRC (these are the three I definitively remember), and none of it has shot anything better than a 4" group. I even tried different lots in the 7mm PRC, and it did the same thing. I only used the Hornady stuff for getting it on paper. After trying different factory ammo and shooting roughly 1" groups, and my handloads getting all three rifles down to sub half-moa, I'm thoroughly convinced that the Precision Hunter ammo just isn't that great. Lack of consistency, and mixed powders doesn't exactly lend itself to accuracy.
At some point, you gotta say “maybe it’s me?” In my Bergara 6.5PRC the Hornday precision hunter shoots 5 shots touching same hole. And the deer I shot last year didn’t have anything bad to say about it
Nice group on the Bergers. But what’s up with the Precision Hunter… Would love to see a retest with a brake. Side benefit, this rig has no longer musket length 😁
My 7mm prc in browning wouldn't shoot under a 2 inch group after a whole box of ammo. Cleaned then it started shooting. 4 inch groups almost in the same hole I think sometimes it just takes some time to break a barrel in
There’s not many projectiles that compete with berger in quality. At least that’s the way it used to be. Sometimes you get what you pay for in projectiles.
I like the arken scope, I wish they would change their zero stop though. Your 300 likes the lower grain seems like, Why is it people always think the bigger is better?
In Europe it is the Standard to have Quick Release Scope Mounts Cause we use some Rifles for different Types of Hunting, Treestand, Hunting in the Alps (where you want something with more Zoom), Stalking, Driven Hunts (where most tend to use LPVO or Reflex Sights) with good Steel Pica Rails, and good Mounts its no Problem without rezeroing your Rifle every Time / Mark your slots on the Rail and Push your Mount Forward every Time you Mount it, on one of my Rifles i have a Zeiss V6 2.5-15x56 and a Meopta R2 1-6x24 both with good one Lever QD Mounts that allways grap your Scope with the same Tork at the same Place (Henneberger Swift) i know others that do the same with simple Leupold QRW2 but you should look to tork them to nearly the same Position every Time the Lever upwards or something like that.... Many European Rifle Manufacturers have their own Mounting Systems that are also very Reliable like Blaser, Sauer, Merkel
It really didnt take ya long to find the right boolots. Too bad they are so expensive. Now this 300 PRC is shooting like it should. And WhoTeeWho is happy. Good work.
I like burgers 🍔 too! I'm glad there's a loading that it likes. I was beginning to think you should stick with Ruger American! Do they make a 300 prc?🇺🇲✝️🇺🇲 Acts 4:12 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
I had a old timer that hunted in green swamp and out west alot and went shooting all the time told me to run a oil swab down the barrel after every three shot group till it glides down the barrel with ease then it should be broke in or as he said it was seasoned but I've only had one 30 cal rifle which was a Browning bar in 30 06 that shoots various ammo in 30 06 well
Maybe nothing magic about Bergers. It may just like a lighter bullet. The Berger was 205gr vs. 225gr and 212gr. Looks like Hornady loads a 190gr bullet in 300PRC. May be worth trying that too.
It looked like to me the second bullet that you tried (worse group ) looked to me like 2 of the holes were elongated, possibly not stabilized, too slow twist? Just a thought?
Hey Adam Next time you go to Tullivers could you find out if they ship to FFL’s out of state? I can’t find a Cascade LRH as I’d like to buy one. Thanks for time.
Skinny barrel with a dirty big can hanging off the front of it. I'm not a physicist but I'm thinking that is messing with your harmonics mate. Just trying to be constructive HooTee. I am not telling you what's what, just throwing it out there. As a reloader for quite a few long, skinny- barrelled, centerfire rifles, I can testify that they can be picky. I enjoy your content mate and appreciate the reasoning for the can on the muzzle every time you fire a new bing bang.
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real question, can u load .460 s&w magnum into .410 revolver? like your old magnum judge?
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@@r.asyafiq310 I'd say bad idea
I actually had the chance to meet who tee who at the local gun shop in town and he was awesome I appreciate how nice you were I watch your vids everyday and really have enjoyed them for years now
Hey! Was great to meet you!
Appreciate you watching bigtime 🙏🙏🙏
I hate factory loads, we pulled apart 5 Hornady 450 bushmaster rounds and weighed the powder in each, they varied up to 2.6 grains in weight although the bullets actually weighed the same. Found a hand load with the Hornady bullets it likes and putting 3 shots in pretty much the same hole at 100 yards. This video just proves you can't rely on any particular ammo for any weapon, you have to find what it wants to eat and feed it what it likes.
That first cold bore shot is the most important for hunting anyways!
Yep I have always wondered why guys shoot 3 in a row my gun cools cold after every shot
@@Matt-en1kn my guess is not everybody hunts. Guys like to target shoot. That's where the consecutive shots come in to play!
The first cold bore shot is the only one that counts in a hunting rifle and that’s what we should pay attention to. 😉
HSM ammunition loads berger bullets and is priced fair.
Boyds stocks leave alot to be desired for precision. For one they tend to always need a bedding job to get any level of consistency.
Also comparing bergers to Hornady hunter is like comparing a steak to fast food. Of course it likes it lol it's fantastic ammo
Every rifle needs two point bedding at the recoil lug and tang. No exceptions
Why go aftermarket to not add to it. I pucked a boyds for two reasons, 1 to bed it, 2 it was rh inlet with lh thumbhole, hard to find.
@@googies12a because many people either don't bed the stocks for some reason or they have issues with Boyds fitting right
Truth. Body’s should advertise their stocks as 80% finished
Who doesn't love a good burger?
Me . They wound more animals
Than any other bullet
@@user-eg8hb8xt3jBarnes ttsx might not group as tight but hunting anything else is not it. I’ve herd how bad eldx is too. Never had in issue with Barnes. Just more like 3/4 moa max
@@user-eg8hb8xt3jI’ve never had any issues with the elk and deer I’ve shot with them
@@user-eg8hb8xt3jwhy? Just curious?
I have found skinny barrels to be inconsistent in magnum cartridges even with handloads. Even my Tikka T3X Superlite in 7mag throws them around. Even the loads that shoot well through it, are inconsistent.
I am a Berger bullet fan. Love the Classic Hunter and the VLDs. Chronograph and measure the loaded bergers and duplicate it.
You could spend $500 on a cheap rifle. Then $200-$300 to find an ammo it likes. Or you could just buy a tikka and shoot Hornady ELDMs and ELDXs.
Not if you want to shoot the 7 or 300 PRC 😞
@@jwoo1800
7PRC and 7rem mag are virtually identical for 99% of normal people. I went down this rabbit hole a couple of months ago. My deer and elk will be just as dead out to 500 yards with either. Wind drift and bullet drop are so similar it’s negligible. The only people who would see the advantages is if you were in to ELR shooting.
One thing I've noticed ,for myself anyway, is that anytime I've ever tried to group magnum or hot calibers with a standard width barrel, I've never had any luck pulling tight groups. Usually around 1 1/2" or so. I think the harmonics of the barrel are not consistent. I'm a big fan of heavy barreled rifles, even if they are heavier. Best rifle for accuracy that I've ever owned was a Colt H-bar match ll AR 15. Shooting 55gr v-max. I could cover my groups with a nickel. That's saying alot for me, because I'm just an ol country boy
I was loading for my 7mm. Tried 67, 68 and 69 grains of powder. 67 had 3 touching, 68 was about 1.75” and 69 was about an inch.
I definitely agree with you that the magnums especially in the thinner barrels are a lot more picky with harmonics.
You could work up a handload to duplicate the Berger ammo. Berger bullets are available for handloaders.
That first group with the Berger load put a smile on my face. Can't believe there was that big of a difference - your gun just really doesn't much like the Hornady stuff. Ya just never know till ya try it.
Man, I can remember back in the 90s when my hunting buddies used to give me crap for paying a buck per round for my .300 Weatherby!
Yup
Brother you got that right! I'd give anything to pay $20 for 20 rounds of 300 weatherby now lol. 👍🏼
The helps me a lot, been struggling with what factory ammo my Howa shoots, spent big money on some Norma loads and they were worse grouping than the hornady loads. Looks like I’m buying some Berger boxes next.
Barrel Harmonics try without the shushshuh..
Glad it worked out. Got my eyes on a Howa action.
Thanks mate
I couldn't get better than 1.5"" at 100m with Lithgow 308 and bergara 300prc, switched hand loads to sierra 168g for 308 and sierra 210 for prc, cut my group size in half,
Appreciate your work
Cheers
Rob
WTW you are really great at what you do and I wanted to encourage you today! Keep up the great work, as I’m sure it at times feels difficult. But you’re a true American and an inspiration to us many small RUclips channels. You rock!
Thank you so much. That means a lot.🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I really like my 300 PRC. Got the CVA Cascade and it groups really good so far but it’s only had the Hornady Precision Hunter through it - gonna try the Match next. I’m looking forward to the other options coming - Federal, Norma, Heavy Berger, and Remington options
Nice one WTW 😊, i love the budget friendly content and the song at the end. Keep em coming mate.
Thanks for watching!
Just ordered a Savage 110 in 7 PRC that should be in tomorrow, hopefully it shoots well!
Sweeeeet
@@WHOTEEWHO only $580 brand new, now to decide on a scope
Reload for that 300, take into mind that barrel isnt very thick.. use some h1000, retumbo, Vihtavuori n560, and i would bet youll find a extremely acceptable load.
I’ve found the Hornady shoots about minute of woodchuck in my 6.5 prc.
That Howa shoots the Berger lol.
With a light barrel any big magnum is finicky.
I’ve found the ELD-X can be difficult to get to shoot.
I have as well, I bought a new 7 mm rem mag in the high country. I didn't think about barrel twist . wouldn't shoot the 162eldx so I just bought the Browning x bolt speed LR that had the 1-8 twist half inch groups now with everyone that pulls the trigger. eld x need a fast twist for sure.
that high country will shoot 160 b tips in one ragged hole but a 162 eld looks like buckshot hit the target.
I have a remington 700 in 6.5 creedmoore that shoots the same way. Its even in a MDT LSS XL chassis. I think i will change the barrel out for a bergara barrel. If it groups, then I'll keep it.
Great job as always. I bought a Christensen Arms mesa long range in 300 PRC, I can’t wait to try it out at the range.
Awesome
Greetings from Australia...nice bit of shooting with the Berger rounds mate! Sure is a slim barrel on that rifle...
Thanks for watching
This is going to be great, I appreciate the time, effort, and hard work you put into your videos. You make it worth watching.
I appreciate you watching
My 300 prc love's the Hornady match ammo, I've taken a elk, black bear, caribou and a moose at 580 yds with them
Whotee, lets see a hunting video with some bergers this year. Thanks for the great content, we all look forward to them.
You could try loading a 200gn SGK. Those will do well for a hunting bullet thats exceptionally accurate too .They also are not a fussy bullet .
Just for giggles,you should see if there is a difference with or without the can on the barrel. I always think about how important it is to have a good crown on the barrel. Makes me wonder if that can is throwing the slugs around. Also, you seem to like Remington corelocks. I never have luck with those. Try more federal ammo. Seems every rifle I've owned always performed best with federal. Just my 2 cents for what it's worth. Cheers.
Please test out different ammo with the Steven’s 334 🙏
You’re scaring me off the Howa 300PRC. 😂 I’ve had great luck with their non magnum loads but I’m not a huge fan of Berger.
Edited to add: Wonder if it’s the extra weight of the other bullet and the 8.5 twist barrel. That should be fast enough for the heavy but who knows.
It’s be kinda cool to see a 5-10 shot group with the best loading to see how it opens up with heat. I know it’s expensive, though.
Go figure, of course it likes the high dollar stuff!.
If it isnt already, you should bed the action in that stock and see if it isnt so ammo picky afterwards.
Man, I have tested the Hornady Precision Hunter in at least three calibers now; 270 Win, 6.5 PRC, and 7mm PRC (these are the three I definitively remember), and none of it has shot anything better than a 4" group. I even tried different lots in the 7mm PRC, and it did the same thing. I only used the Hornady stuff for getting it on paper. After trying different factory ammo and shooting roughly 1" groups, and my handloads getting all three rifles down to sub half-moa, I'm thoroughly convinced that the Precision Hunter ammo just isn't that great. Lack of consistency, and mixed powders doesn't exactly lend itself to accuracy.
At some point, you gotta say “maybe it’s me?”
In my Bergara 6.5PRC the Hornday precision hunter shoots 5 shots touching same hole. And the deer I shot last year didn’t have anything bad to say about it
Thanks for the Video Adam 👍. Wow... expensive Boolots💰💸💰😬. Cheers 🙏🇨🇦.
I know it’s rare but 6.5-284 Norma review. Thinking of rebarreling my rem 700 LA with it. Thanks!!
Nice group on the Bergers. But what’s up with the Precision Hunter…
Would love to see a retest with a brake. Side benefit, this rig has no longer musket length 😁
Got to love the 205 gr group
💪💪
My 7mm prc in browning wouldn't shoot under a 2 inch group after a whole box of ammo. Cleaned then it started shooting. 4 inch groups almost in the same hole I think sometimes it just takes some time to break a barrel in
Nice rifle you have built up there. Good little shooter. 👍🇺🇸
Right before you said it, I was thinking, hand loads are where it's at.
I noticed that sucker kicks the fire out of you even with a can and out of a sled, but you shoot it very well
Oh isn't too bad
Might be a good idea to pillar or glass bed your action. Make sure you're getting a good free float also.
Awesome I think I need one for the moose around here 🙂
There’s not many projectiles that compete with berger in quality. At least that’s the way it used to be. Sometimes you get what you pay for in projectiles.
Like to see a new video of the savage 334 6.5. Compare aples to apples. Creedmore vs prc
They're in my home state of Arizona. Berger az.
(a) i'm losing confidence in Hornady factory ammo, and (b) I was thinking sell-Sell-SELL, but (c) those Berger's shot pretty good
I like the arken scope, I wish they would change their zero stop though. Your 300 likes the lower grain seems like, Why is it people always think the bigger is better?
Have you tried some quick release scope mounts so that you with confidence could swap the optics from rifle to rifle, without the need to rezero?
In Europe it is the Standard to have Quick Release Scope Mounts Cause we use some Rifles for different Types of Hunting, Treestand, Hunting in the Alps (where you want something with more Zoom), Stalking, Driven Hunts (where most tend to use LPVO or Reflex Sights) with good Steel Pica Rails, and good Mounts its no Problem without rezeroing your Rifle every Time / Mark your slots on the Rail and Push your Mount Forward every Time you Mount it, on one of my Rifles i have a Zeiss V6 2.5-15x56 and a Meopta R2 1-6x24 both with good one Lever QD Mounts that allways grap your Scope with the same Tork at the same Place (Henneberger Swift) i know others that do the same with simple Leupold QRW2 but you should look to tork them to nearly the same Position every Time the Lever upwards or something like that....
Many European Rifle Manufacturers have their own Mounting Systems that are also very Reliable like Blaser, Sauer, Merkel
My 300 prc don't like Hornady ammo either. Working on some Barnes LRX.
It really didnt take ya long to find the right boolots. Too bad they are so expensive. Now this 300 PRC is shooting like it should. And WhoTeeWho is happy. Good work.
Thanks for watching
I like burgers 🍔 too! I'm glad there's a loading that it likes. I was beginning to think you should stick with Ruger American! Do they make a 300 prc?🇺🇲✝️🇺🇲
Acts 4:12
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
The 24" or 26" heavy barrel should not cost much more and will likely shoot better. A good bedded stock will help too.
Nice grouping and when it counts the price of a boolat or 2 doesn't matter , tho it cost more sighting in.
Time to test the 190 hornady outfitter
Just got a Howa 6.5 CM built i need to figure out what it likes. Hopefully it won't want the most expensive stuff on the market. Lol
Another great video WTW!
Thanks for watching!!!
Ha ha! Man you got my luck, always the most expensive way is what I get stuck with.
I had a old timer that hunted in green swamp and out west alot and went shooting all the time told me to run a oil swab down the barrel after every three shot group till it glides down the barrel with ease then it should be broke in or as he said it was seasoned but I've only had one 30 cal rifle which was a Browning bar in 30 06 that shoots various ammo in 30 06 well
I would not consider any of those ammo choices as budget ammo.
My howa 1500 stainless in 243 likes 87 bergers if I do it right half inch groups , and I loaded them for a different gun
I appreciate all your videos
This sniper is ammo picky😅😅😅 you deserve more views!!!
Always appreciate you watching
@@WHOTEEWHO watching your vedios from 6 year ago... Really appreciate your dedication 😊
Great job 👏
Next video can you talk about the mounting of the receiver to the stock?
Did you pillar or glass bed it and verify the barrel float?
I took the 2 screw that came with the barreled action and screwed it into the gun through the stock. Bout it. Torqued to 55 w my wheeler fat sticks
Dude, you never give the kids lobster…
Maybe nothing magic about Bergers. It may just like a lighter bullet. The Berger was 205gr vs. 225gr and 212gr. Looks like Hornady loads a 190gr bullet in 300PRC. May be worth trying that too.
Got me a brand new Browning Cynergy CX 12 gauge o-u 30 inch barrels! I’m a shotgun guy!
Did you make sure the barrel is beded properly in the stock , just asking I'm no pro just a thought.
It looked like to me the second bullet that you tried (worse group ) looked to me like 2 of the holes were elongated, possibly not stabilized, too slow twist? Just a thought?
Adam i know you work hard putting out these videos my friend and it's greatly appreciated buddy ✊🏼👍🏼 Great shoot'n btw.
🙏🙏🙏 appreciate you watching
Looks to me like the new stuff don't shoot any better than the old fuddy stuff but that's just me.
Measure the seating depth on them Berger pills bro, cheers Yogi ✌️🤙
I’ve been there so many times. The gun will like what it likes. What you want it to like doesn’t matter. lol
Did you get the regular barrel or the heavy barrel .300 PRC. I noticed Brownells have several options.
Regular
Thank you Sir. Been looking at the heavy barrel action they have on there.
What is the twist rate? Just wondering since it opened up so much and acted erratic with the heavier eld-m
👍😊 so it’s 1 out 3 and how many more are there to go for a cheaper price.
Hey Adam
Next time you go to Tullivers could you find out if they ship to FFL’s out of state? I can’t find a Cascade LRH as I’d like to buy one.
Thanks for time.
Yes they do.
@@WHOTEEWHO
If I contact them who should I ask for to help in this type of business transaction?
@@forrestebert5276 just Bing bang desk. And tell them I sent u
Hey HOOTi Howa bouta 6.5 Grendel in the Howa MINI action? I just seen the barreled action at midway? Just an Idea
Skinny barrel with a dirty big can hanging off the front of it.
I'm not a physicist but I'm thinking that is messing with your harmonics mate.
Just trying to be constructive HooTee. I am not telling you what's what, just throwing it out there.
As a reloader for quite a few long, skinny- barrelled, centerfire rifles, I can testify that they can be picky.
I enjoy your content mate and appreciate the reasoning for the can on the muzzle every time you fire a new bing bang.
Ima say the berger will do the best
Bingo
@WHOTEEWHO when all fails you can always count on berger. Good group
You may not have any Remington ammo yet. But I bet it won't be long till you do lol
👍👍
Try loading some copper slugs .
Good looking rifle
Do you ever load the Sierra Gamekings? they are my favorite
Not yet. Have some tho
@@WHOTEEWHO my 30-06 loves some IMR 4350 and sierra 165 sbt
You’ll have to call that rig the girlfriend, don’t like that cheap stuff 😂
Hornady has the outfitter loading for $40 on Ammoseek.
Sweeeeet
May be need to glass bed the action
Mylanta. that's funny.
Big Berger for the win for the $$$!
That Berger group is awesome!!
Great stuff! 👍🏻 😊
Super cool watching a guntuber review guns that aren't $2,000 and up.
I'm just a regular ol dude. Appreciate you watching
nice job it don't take lots of money
How do you like the EPL scope!
It's a good one