Reggie Miller Agrees Michael Jordan is Responsible For Isiah Thomas Snub From Dream Team
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- DAN PATRICK SHOW - Dan Patrick catches up with Reggie Miller who gives us some insight on the Chicago Bulls documentary, 'The Last Dance.'
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Probably one of the realest interviews I’ve heard in a long time.
Man I really appreciate Reggie Miller comments as a Detroit native and bad boy era I really appreciated Reggie Miller game
52 year old here. Most of the commenters here weren't even thought about when this rivalry occurred. I saw it in REAL TIME and I will tell you that Jordan and Isiah HATED EACH OTHER FOR REAL. Jordan rules was boot camp and IT WAS REAL. Chuck Daly wasn't kidding around. His strategy? Make Jordan Pay Everytime He Comes In The Paint: KICK HIS *SS! And the Pistons did--Lambier, Rodman, Dumars, and co.--THE BAD BOYS! And they were Bad. Compared to today, they were MEN fusing skill and a hard-nosed blue-collar take-no-prisoners work ethic that would have made players like Lebron and teams like Golden State look like p*ssies with a capital P. No hand-check rules, hell there weren't any rules. Go back and look at the films. Jordan was getting his skinny *ass body-slammed every time he got above the rim. Back then I was still trying to get over Dr. J's retirement and Jordan was the new kid on the block. I remember saying to my ex-wife seeing the beating the Pistons were putting on him: "Baby, if this dude can get past this beating and if they don't break him, he gonna be a bad dude!" That's how bad it was with the Pistons. Isiah was the Tom Brady of basketball. He was the spark plug of Detroit, without a doubt THE BEST POINT GUARD EVER. Forget the points, a la Iverson, a point guard's job is to set up his teammates and no point guard did this better than Isiah--NOBODY. But when all is said and done, the Pistons made Jordan and if you don't believe me, just ask anybody over 50 who saw this rivalry in REAL TIME AND NOT ON RUclips! And when people talk about the best player ever--this is a moot and pointless discussion. Here's THE THING! Joe Montana was the GOAT but Tom Brady made you forget about him. If Lebron is the best then why are people still talking about Jordan? If Lebron eclipsed Mike, he should have made people forget and stop talking about Mike like Mike made people stop talking about Dr. J. who was considered THE MAN before Jordan made people forget about him. CASE CLOSED!
I mean Jordan don't even play he's talked about cause old ppl like you won't stop talking about him then you 52 lmfao yo goat should be kareem but cool story bro
Then how you go blame players for what the refs changed
@@quebaby9492 I didn't blame the players, just saying how the quality of basketball declined after Jordan retired to the point that they changed rules to make good and ordinary players look better. Jordan was next level and the proof is in the fact that he's still being discussed at all. Remember, when Jordan 1st came in the league, people were measuring him against Dr. J who, at that time, was considered the best player in the league; however, after 3 years in the league you stopped hearing those comparisons because Jordan's game was so superior to Dr. J's game. Lebron's been playing in the league almost 20 years now and people are still asking whether he's better than Jordan which means that Lebron's game hasn't stopped people from drawing those comparisons. Look at football. Before the Patriots began their historic dynasty, THE TEAM was the 49rs and THE QUARTERBACK was Joe Montana. When New England won their 4th Super Bowl you started hearing the comparisons between the team and its quarterbacks; however, after New England won SB #5 then #6 you stopped hearing the comparisons. Regardless how many points Lebron scores over his career, people who know the game know that he will never be on Jordan's level simply because he has not had to face teams like the Bad Boy Pistons, Showtime Lakers, the old Boston Celtics, the Shaq-led Orlando Magic, Houston, Utah, Indiana, etc. Those type of teams and players are extinct and have been supplanted by a much weaker product. The rules were changed to help these weaker players look and play better...and they don't!
I'm 38 so this is the era I started getting into Basketball, and obviously living in Michigan Pistons were my team.
I don't think these youtube videos these creators make do a good job of really illustrating what the NBA was like back then.
And that Thomas/Dumars backcourt is sooooo slept on when discussing the GOATs.
You know what's really interesting? How certain people of a prior generation, constantly hold those of a so-called newer generation to previous standards, in a sort of selfish, "all about my generation" attitude, never actually allowing the new breed to develop properly, and grow from trials and tribulations like they were once allowed, mostly. You never saw Dr.J all over the media, in interviews, magazines, etc, forever comparing his style of play to Jordans', and making pointless comparisons that had nothing to do with the actual game as a whole, or talking down on the newer players. Ever. Social media has really blown the lid off of the type of people we call our sports heroes, that never seem to get enough, even after seemingly having it all, something most people can never say. League rules were not changed to make lesser players seem greater after Jordan, as Allen Iverson, who you mentioned, clearly illustrates this, as probably the best example. Several rule changes were made against Iverson, who the league effectively diminished over time, by the way. If it were not for the mainstream media, the NBA would have been able to do just fine not mentioning Jordan, but even the casual sports fan can see how things are always geared toward generating profits, which Jordan did better than anyone. Yes, he was a phenomenal player, but let's not act like there were not others that were great as well, especially when talking about the TEAM game of basketball. Just do the research on when Jordan actually cleared the rights to the new documentary, which was around LeBron's last historic championship run. If you believe that a coincidence, then you will also believe that Jordan's statue really had nothing to do with what he achieved in the sport of basketball. A legend of Jordan's stature should not be carrying on like this, and should just allow his beyond epic career to speak for itself. By the way, let's not act like Jordan did not benefit from rule changes as well. He knew how to use his muscle on, and off the court. Much respect to ya.
Reggie forgot Ron Harper, 4 guys who were lock down perimeter defenders!
Everyone forgets about Harper.
Had Ron been on MJ instead of Craig, the Bulls most likely don't advance.
Harp usually guarded the opposition’s premiere scorer on the second 3-peat team. MJ was still a top level defender, but he needed fuel in the tank for late fourth quarter offense
I love Reggie for answering every question and keeping it real.
Reggie is telling the truth. Am 60 yrs. Of age I've seen these guys play... Also in real life. In every childhood basketball court you always had a neighborhood group of guys who came to the court to knock you off or take your throne. Jordan had to get hard to beat Isiah. Rock flair said it best. In order to be the man, you have to beat the man!
Reggie is lying.
Young people don’t truly understand the battles Micheal and Reggie had in the 90s
It was hard to guard reggie the way he ran around them screens. Jordan couldn't relax on defense.
@@exterminatallsimps MJ wouldn't guard Reggie half the time for that reason. Too much energy spent chasing his ass around. Not just running but getting screened by those "rough riders". (Stephen A voice) lol
@@jamtv3258 Zlcl
because regies signature move is to shove you, run off and shoot.
Reggie Miller got suspended for Michael Jordan punching him in his face and fine.
Magic admitted that he was the main voice behind keeping him from being on that team because of their personal issues
But the media wants to put the blame on Michael Jordan no matter what anyone else says they still will say MJ didn't want him on the team. The media is instigating this
@@sonnywoods6846 Not sure what Michael Jackson has to do with this. Haha!
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Lol
Source?
@@adrxme3483 lol
1:16 I laughed when Reggie didn't mention his own team being like that as if Dale and Antonio Davis were gentle with opponents who drove to the basket. LMAO.
Exactly
@Christian Picardo wreaking? Is that a cross between reacking and wrecking??
The Davis "brothers", they were tough !!!
I was a huge Bulls fan back in that era, and of all their opponents, Reggie was the one I wanted to see win a championship. I rooted hard for the Pacers when they finally made it to the finals, but they couldn't stop Shaq.
Shout to Reggie for keeping it a buck! Stockton and Drexler are great players...however....
I think Mullin goes before Stockton
@Joe Blow Alonzo? Wth
Reggie is overlooking the dream team was a team and is only looking at Isiah's resume. Based on his resume he should be on the team. However, everyone hated Isiah and it would have disrupted the chemistry.
Zeke is the type of guy that throws the rock and hides his hand. He kisses Magic before several final games and later after Magic contracted aides he hides his hand by saying something like " well they do do strange things out there in California ". Zeke is the one that says to his teammates if they come into the middle put there a#÷ on the floor HARD. But if it's deliberately done to him then there an ALL OUT FIGHT worst than Ron Artest fight. The NBA SHOULD HAVE STEPPED IN AND PUNISHED THE PISTONS BY 40 GAME SUSPENSION WITHOUT PAY AND OR 1 YEAR SUSPENSION. REMEMBER CAREERS COULD HAVE BEEN OVER. " Joe Dumars never participated in the craziness ".
@@robertharrison5290 you clearly don't know enough about that era of basketball smh
Isaiah got bloodied, elbowed and bruised arguably more than anybody else in the 80s.... come on dude
Dan one of your great shows! Awesome interview w Reggie. I grew up watching the Bad Boys as a middle schooler, living 20 minutes from Auburn Hills, and it was by far the greatest era of basketball ever played!!!!
MJ was also responsible for Reggie never winning a ring.
True indeed
@L Nixon 😂
@Dan Customer yw😂
@@Scrapper1 💯
Not really. Reggie wasn't good enough to lead a team to a chamnpionship. He didn't win a ring or even get close when MJ was out of the league.
It was Magic Johnson being on the 92 Olympic Dream team...that’s the reason. That’s according to John Salley💯
This era really doesn't appreciate defense...
KLUV I seen a game where team scored 140 other team had 135 and no OT. There’s no defense and theses numbers are inflated. Can’t really watch it know more without D
Its not that they dont. The rules are different. You have to stay on the floor
@@aaronaiysen7534 Today's free player movement style is hard to watch
Abdul Jabbar They should bring hand checking back. There was a game this season where no overtime and the score was 145-140 .
The pace of the league is alot faster than the 90s, every era has proven this case. The faster the pace of the league the higher the scoring.
Rodman was Shaq's kryptonite... check the stat lines everytime they matched up.
Rodman and pippen were kryptonite to lots of players.
Rhett Burgess yes he was and I laughed at Shaq too
Rodman was a savant.
Individual stats, Rodman doesn't come close. Win/Loss stat , yes Rodman has him. Would you rather have Rodman on your team than Shaq? Hope not. Rodman was a phenomenal role player though to give any team better chances to win due to his defense and rebounds. Shaq still averaged nearly 27 pts and 13 rebounds. Shaq's kryptonite was his free throws. " Hack a Shaq." If that guy would have been decent at free throws, just hitting 80 percent (which isn't a crazy percentage) he would have been more valuable the Jordan. I believe even Kobe who chased Shaq out of town and emulated his game after Jordan stated that Shaq could have been the Goat. Never heard anyone say Rodman could be the goat . That doesn't take anything away from Rodman. Gritty defensive teams were hard to beat! The Detroit pistons team that featured Ben Wallace was a great defensive team too that beat the Lakers! That was when I hated shaq, didn't like Kobe and loved to see the lakers lose. I rooted for all the opposing teams to beat the lakers from the spurs, to the Sacramento kings, Portland trailblazers, and pistons. Later I realized that it was just because having shaq was like a cheat code. If shaq never load managed and got fat, and kobe didn't get sick of shaq getting fat, that lakers team could have won 7 rings . They just had too much Shaq, too much Kobe. too much talent within 2 people and not enough room for their egos. Ok, I said too much. :)
Stats? LOL There are those of us who WATCHED the games as they happened. Don't need "stats."
Dennis doen'st get the ratings he deserves. he was a beast. But he was … way OUT there, with all the female dresses, makeup, nails, getting into trouble, partying, crazy hairs, etc.
Notable absences from the Dream Team...Isiah Thomas, Dominique Wilkins.
Damn, I've never thought about Dominique not being on that team. That's ridiculous!
Jason Whitlock has had a discussion about this topic omitting guys like Isiah and Wilkins. Whitlock has a conspiracy theory that the Dream Team wanted white guys on the roster.
@@mike.cdn7212 You are 100 percent correct with that assessment! However, ' Niquie was my favorite player! He tore his Achilles tendon that year in 92'
Wilford Hairston Shaq
I agree 100 percent.. Nique and Isiah should've been on instead of Laettner and Mullen.
All MJ would have to say to David Stern at the time was "if he's in, I'm out"...
Peter E Actually, that’s what he did
I agree with mj
@King Stan that wrong it was mj he admitted it so y everyone making excises mj dnt hide tht he stop zeke from joining dream team
@King Stan y dnt no wat u talking about everyone said it was mj even mj
Wasn’t MJ. It was Magic that didn’t want Isiah!! Magic admitted that in his book
Magic, Pippen, Malone, Bird and a few others didnt want isiah on the team. It wasnt just Jordan
How do you know?
I think I’ll take Reggie’s word over your source, being that he was there for the rivalries and that Dream Team... ijs
Jordan's opinion is the only one that mattered. Isiah should have been on the team. He was a great, great player. MJ was Superman.
Not true. The Malone beef came after Stockton was selected
Reggie’s the man. Honest and entertaining
He gives great interviews unlike Boring BJ Armstrong.
I totally agree.
He is a mix of many things. Entertaining, knows his stuff and is good with words. A smart cat. I do wish that Brent Berrie would have gotten some more time on tv.
Reggie wasn’t honest. He is dead wrong about MJ leaving Isiah off the team. It was more Magic than anyone.
wayne williams I agree. But from I.T reaction to this, believe he really did make a lot of gay comments about Magic back then as well. And it may have been ok back then, but his stupid mistakes in his marriage doesn’t ok you running around behind his back like so many players were doing.
Love listening at how Miller, perhaps one of the best shooters ( assassins) in the game reminisce with such an awe of MJ . It was a real treat. Thanks
Riley called what the Knicks and Heat did "big muscle activity".
You damn right...i love your post man...absolutely true
Hell yea
Thanks Dan Patrick! Your perspective is great! The way you summarized Isiah, the Pistons, Jordan , Pip, Rodman and the Bulls!
Reggie was one of my favorite players, back in the day, and all time, he was always hustling, with or without the ball, offense or defense. Coach Bird, Reggie and Co. took Jordan's Bulls to 7 !
I don't know why people say kobe copy mj... welll...uhhh fkin curry/klay been copying Reggie Miller the original
C. mao Best thrash talker and 3 point player!
Pacers were the better team that year. Refs made damn sure da Bulls won
MJ said Rodman is the smartest basketball player he’s ever played with 🏀.
that speaks volumes about MJ's brain size
He was a smart player he knew he didn't have the skills so he used his brains to play his way through a amazing career on the court
Remember it was Rodman and the Piston that used to shut Mike down
One of smartest
Mike Hill never shut MJ down just beat his trash team but MJ always cooked they asses lol
When you peel back the layers, the MJ-Zeke feud started out territorial. Zeke was a Chicagoan through and through but the city still viewed him as the enemy. Meanwhile MJ; an outsider, shows up out of nowhere and the city loves him. Zeke was jealous. Probably felt like he should've been the one receiving that admiration considering the fact that he's actually from Chicago.
Chicago loved Isaiah until the bulls vs pistons became a rivalry, before that people still loved Isaiah even in Jordan's early years with the bulls
I know Thomas was jealous- now i know WHY!
Zeke may have been even more popular than the GOAT for a short time.
Jealous...... Lol .......your a comedian ......... Isaiah is a legend in Chicago they where just competing.....
I definitely would take Isiah over D wade
I love Reggie honesty.
I loved Reggie but he was definitely biased on this 1 remember Reggie had his own fued with MJ.
Where is Cheryl Miller???? I miss her commentary
She's such a beast on the court. Fun fact, I hear her little brother is pretty good too
Crazy part about the thumbnail is Reggie is on OFFENSE!! 😂😂
on his way to that clutch 3, on a poor ankle
Word, with that Famous PUSH OFF!!!
And then him jumping in circles while Market Square arena goes crazy.
@@tellall23 as Randy Brown is leaving the Bulls bench into the locker room knowing the game was over before the shot even drops
Daniel Hill I've seen LeBum do much worse and the refs didn't call it out, so what makes you think the refs would make the call back then?
always love hearing reggie. one of the guys that i wish got a ring. probably would have if he wasnt so loyal to indy
Jorden came out to this day said he still hated issiah u see magic and zeke still cool
@@nv3e125 Magic and Zeke didn't communicate with each other for years. They finally reconciled 3 or 4 years ago.
I still love Reggie Miller! One of the purest jumpers EVER!
That's true...we've heard from a lot of the Pistons (Isiah, Laimbeer, Salley, Rodman & Dumars)
Talk to Rick Mahorn!
man this last dance gets me so hype about the old days
Reggie is like, " Damn, I'm a footnote again. Just like in those 1 on 1 games with Cheryl."
Reggie got it right
4 of best on ball defenders. Ron Harper
Last part of this is very good points!!
Reggie keeping it real I respect that
love it straight honesty is what u get from the pure shooter...reggie for threeeee bingo!
Thank you R. Miller with ur honesty. MJ is going think of the Bad Boys rest of his life at 60s, 70s, 80s old. Bad Boy's did there job mentally
Shout out the pistons.
They helped make Jordan great.
They need a thank you card or something
Reggie Miller kept it 💯 and the truth here
Reggie Miller I have alot of respect for you. Great basketball player, but a better man. Much love. I always had a crush on your sister Cheryl Miller. 😘😘.Beautiful eyes!🤩🤩. I'm 52. Lol.
Reggie!!! You are my hero 🦸♂️
Reggie played hoops the correct way👌
Preach Reggie! That's the way it was!
Reggie kept it 1000
Good show....Great explanation
Fox Sports is killing it...more Dan Patrick...I only see 6 uploads...best show this and Odd Couple are my favs
Dennis Rodman was a one man wrecking crew.
Reggie Miller thanks for the great stories
Dan Patrick the man he really knows his s***
In any sport it's the great defense played that makes it a more emotional experience for the fan. To me, this is why the game was so much better back then.
Half of that Dream Team hated Isaiah. Bird, Jordan, Scottie, Malone, Magic (used to be best friends), all hated Isaiah, because of that style of play. It's one thing to be physical, it's another thing to be dirty. If you can't stop a guy & you try to injure them that's some bullshit. If you're just being physical like, the Knicks & the Heat were, they were never dirty, its different.
I've never heard bird say anything about disliking or hating Isiah. I've never heard Anyone at all much less anyone credible say that Bird said to them he dislikes Isiah. I am sure he respected Isish Detroit dethroned the Celtics and was the Eastern Conference Champs for the next 3yrs.
@@satitlikeitis Bird has said several times that he thinks Isaiah was behind all the "dirty play" detroit was doing & he said he lost some respect for Isaiah because of that & he really still hates Bill Laimbeer.
He never tried injure go watch thwm whole games they would hold mj till he hit ground that sounds like making sure he dnt gt hurt mj was jist crybaby frfr bird use gt croschop in air noone coasted him to ground facts
@@ejkboxing bird has right they fucked him up the worst
Reggie is right and it's about time somebody has ballz to call out truth and u couldn't be a punk
Uncle JJ exactly! Tied of all these Jordan ass kissers. MJ was the man but damn he wasn’t perfect.
Drew Andrews Facts bro💯
The New York Knicks Killa Reggie Miller lol
Long live Dan Patrick!.🙏✌️..
Rodman was a maestro!!!
EVERYBODY PLAYED PHYSICAL !!!
Nice conversation
Reggie, you mentioned the late great Jack Haley. He was a life long inspiration of mine. I was a young man living and working in Seal Beach when Jack was at Community College. I played pick up with Jack at the Marina Park in Seal many, many times over the next three Summers. When I first saw him his range was 6 inches and his defense was, to be kind, poor. By the end of his run at UCLA his improvement was remarkable. I still thought no guy I have scored on will play in the NBA. He worked his butt off and got 8-9 years in the league and a ring. He showed me what hard work and want to can do for a person. I forgot you played with Jack. Great guy. Full of life and always smiling. Thanks for bringing his name up here. RIP Jack. Hated you Reggie. I was a Knicks fan.
I just want to remind folks, in 1991 Magic Johnson made his HIV announcement. Isaiah Thomas allegedly made some nasty remarks about Magic in regard to the HIV and him returning to play. In that same year the Dream Team 10 man roster announcement was made. Magic Johnson was the veteran baby face of the league with a lot great relationships, which included one with the new superstar of the league. If you look at that roster plus Isaiahs not-so-great relationships, there's 4 players for SURE who didn't mind him not being on the roster. That's almost half the team.
Hell yeah
Magics agent told him that. At that time Isiah was president of the players association. He negotiated agents percentages to go down to about 4% when they use to get 20%. Now I think its 10%. Sounds like agents might have lied in Zeke
So what Karl Malone and Clyde Drexler talked bad about Magic too they're both on the Dream Team FALSE Narrative
Does anyone remember Magic and Isaiah use to kiss before games. I do
Magic has already said mi mj said mj k malone was main one saying he wouldnt play against magic with hiv he was there ......
Zeke already said he had not the ability to freeze out anyone , and the other players would not participate in such "
Well that settles it
16:17 Did he just say Javale McGee??! 🤦♂️😂😂😂
Yeah unfortunately he said that.
Nobody got beat up more than zeke. And let me tell you something, he didnt cry about it! Much respect to zeke. Grown man status right their.
Showtime lakers would rough you up too. Dont think it was all pretty
Let the chips fall where they may.
There ain't nothing like hearing it from the individual themselves... the game was physical, spiritual, mental.. "HISTORY" has the last word, this is how legends are made.
Reggie forgot about Ron Harper. He was a great on ball defender as well.
But why would mj lie? I don’t think he would be afraid to admit it. Also rod thorn confirm mj had nothing to do with it.
Wilt is the greatest most dominant individual player of all time. Bill Russell is the greatest winner of all time. Michael is the greatest combination of both of all time with Kareem a close number 2.
Goat Man well said my friend
NO ONE ON EARTH.......has had a Basketball career like KAJ. From the womb to the tomb....WHO DOMINATED like the Captain? On EVERY level.... VS Wilt??? Man he ate Wilt's lunch. Look at those highlights dunking in Wilts face...dropping the hook in his mouth all day...To me Wilt dominated because he was bigger then EVERYONE.
KAJ didnt lose his first GAME in life...til his Sr season vs Elvin Hayes....the rematch.....blew them out by 30. MJ took the game from the Center...and the game has never been the same.
For me its about the era and how many greats did you STOP from eating. BR - 11...no one ate. 80s Magic ATE; Bird dined....90s MJ ate and stopped - Ewing, Barkley, Kemp, Malone, Stockton, Miller, Wilkins, Richmond, and thats jus a few LOL.
@@eddiejones8540 he ate Wilts Lunch?there is video of Wilt blocking the sky hook twice on one play stop it. And that was Wilt past his prime
@@eddiejones8540 MJ ate and Bird dined. Lol!! I like that. The reason I give the edge to Mike over Jabbar is cuz when i say goat i mean greatest NBA player of all time. Kareem is all time leading scorer but MJ is all time leading points per game leader for regular season AND postseason. Highest ppg in a finals series 41.0 ppg vs Suns. And 2nd all time ppg in the finals behind Barry. Kareem has 6 chips like Mike but MJ has 6 finals mvps. Kareem only has 2 while Magic and Worthy took some. In Jabbar's final championship (when they ROBBED the Bad Boys) Jabbar only averaged about 13ppg and was carried. MJ was ALWAYS the MVP in his finals. 10 scoring titles. (NBA record) 7 straight (NBA record) That's wat seperates those 2 slightly for me but I feel you on the womb to the tomb stance.
@@brianjackson3031 Hell yeah there is FOOTAGE of Kareem in the Bucks uniform Dunking in Wilts MOUTH!! Droppin hooks in his face non stop!! Wilt blocking that shot on that play...was THE ONLY TIME he touched it! Hmmm sooo when the Bucks beat the LAL 4-1 KAJ didnt EAT Wilt's lunch then? LOL Ok Boomer sure he didnt!
Mil 4-1 over LAL
Game 1 KAJ 32pts 22reb; Wilt 20pts 22reb - Mil 106 LAL 85.
Game 2 KAJ 22pts 10reb; Wilt 26pts 22reb - Mil 91 LAL 73
Game 3 KAJ 20pts 19reb 6 ast; Wilt 24pts 24 rebs - Mil 107 LAL 118
Game 4 KAJ 31pts 20 rebs 5 ast; Wilt 15pts 14rebs 2 ast - Mil 117 LAL 94
Game 5 KAJ 20pts 15 rebs 5 ast; Wilt 23pts 12 rebs 4 ast - Mil 116 LAL 98
KAJ Avg 25pts 17.1 rebs 3 ast
Wilt Avg 21pts 21 rebs 1 ast
Lunch ATE.
THANK YOU !! i AGREE ! FINALLY someone who is UNAFRAID to tell the TRUTH about m.j.
MJ was not the only one on that dream team who didn't want Isaiah Thomas on the team. Remember magic and Isaiah was best friends before Isaiah went and twofaced behind his back about went magic contracted HIV. It was mainly magic didn't want Isaiah on the team. Remember magic and Isaiah just started back talking about a year now.
Jared Thomas I would advise you to do your own research sir and stop listening to Radio Personalities. Magic Johnson and others didn’t want Isaiah Thomas on the team as well b/c of chemistry and personality clashes. Isaiah was not trusted/liked around the league at the time.
Magic had more voice in keeping Isaiah off the team.
With MJ being superior and Magic and Bird being equals, Isiah Thomas was just plain better than everyone else on the Dream Team.
Julius Jones that’s why you don’t be a snake and a sore loser
Without question. Stockton was a nobody back then. He had no accomplishments, no heroic moments.
Magic was overall better than Bird and in many areas better than Jordan (passing, basketball IQ, court vision, leadership, and could play 5 positions). Jordan was a superior athlete, scorer and defender. Bird was the best shooter by far. No one is superior at everything.
Arioca how was Jordan not a better leader than magic? I don’t get it, and mj didn’t play the point guard position but he could still pass with the best of them but not on Magic’s level but passing and court vision is all that magic did better than mj, basketball IQ is more than passing, it’s being able to get to your spots, fundamentals, footwork, knowing where your teamates will be at and passing to wide open teamates during clutch situations when you’re being double/ triple teamed, (Steve Kerr, John paxon) footwork etc magic had the same basketball IQ that magic and bird had, bird could’ve averaged a little under 9 assists if he played in this fast paced era and if he played point guard full time and if westbrick could average a triple double, mj could’ve averaged the same think naturally and so would magic and probably bird
Loved Pistol Pete and Dr. J.
REGGIE"🇺🇸🌎🏀🏆💪THREE" MILLER......SPOKE WELL ABOUT 1990S......EXTREME 💪🔥PHYSICAL....IT WORKED!!!
Have to agree with Reggie about the brands of play. Isiah should have been on the dream team.
Players in this era take a few games off and call it load management
No one had a answer for Shaq??!!!??
I remember Shaq and Kobe Combined for 10 points in a FINALS GAME!!!! 2004 💯 The Detroit Pistons KILLED THEM!😂
Shaq shot 63 percent in that Finals.
true, they did, but what happened when they faced the spurs? you can say what you want, but when jordan left in 98, san Antonio and LA went to 13 of championships over the next 20 season so what can any other team say after that beside Lebron or Golden State in recent years, I'll wait.......
I LOVED that
That was fat Shaq, the one Kobe got pissed off at.
@@leaguetvnetwork that use the d piston beat them lol
It seems obvious at this point MJ wasn’t solely responsible. Isaiah accuses Magic of possibly being homosexual after his HIV admission. Said that Larry Bird was really not that good, questioned Scottie’s toughness for sitting out game 7 of the ECF with a blinding migraine. At this point seems it seems half the dream team didn’t want him on the team.
We're talking semantics here. Rod Thorn made it clear when MJ was mulling joining the Dream Team that Isiah wouldn't be on the team. That's because he knew MJ didn't want him on the team. MJ didn't explicit say "Isiah or me." It wasn't needed. Just the same, if MJ wanted him on the team he would've been on it, regardless of what the rest of the team felt.
Jukeboxster more than half didn't want him
Truth . Like Reggie said Isaiah was better than Stockton, Drexler , Laettner etc. Bad sportsmanship.
Plus Malone in that group that didn't want him in that team.
@@davidroberts1040 but he didn't say it. It was a freakin rumor started by an agent...all of those reasons are dumb and worse has been said about players.
Uhh! they showed the video of Bird walking off the court
The biggest mystery was Dominique Wilkins his avg. In points per game he was always in contention in the top 5 NBA scorers back in the 1980's & early 90's; he was really actually one of the best ligit players back then but he didn't have that side guy Bird had McHale, Magic had Jabaar, MJ had Pippen & so on & what happened with Isaiah Thomas was tragic although he did earn some of his own bad doings he still was amungst the best players & his ability to the switchover cross dribble & drive inside was underrated he always got inside of the paint that is why both he & Reggie Legandary Miller was so good against Michael Jordan they were great at what they did; Reggie was more of a 3 point shootist specialist who could guard MJ & Isaiah was more of a quick speedster with a crossover switchover very difficult to defend him those two players Dominique Wilins & Isaiah Thomas were way underrated players although at least Thomas got a couple of rings
I agree... let's not forget Doc Rivers.
Isiah Never said that was just the reason. He said that since the Celtics did it to them, he thought that was the way it was supposed to be done. I guess this is what's meant when they say, when you say something and it takes on a life of it's OWN! And Reggie Never said that Jordan was Responsible for Isiah not being on the Dream Team for CERTAIN. He said that HE BELIEVED Jordan had something to do with it. smh
Dennis Rodman > Chris Bosh
Dude averaged 26 and 15 in college. In 95 and 96 he’s third team all-nba first team all defense
Michael Pun are you suffering from Alzheimer? or Coronavirus? CB is a franchise player, Rodman a role player
@@makanakylove1542 Rodman hall of famer Bosh well only time will tell when just saying
@@makanakylove1542 Well Bosh was essentially a role player in Miami. I would rather have Rodman getting my teams rebounds rather than Bosh.
@@makanakylove1542 CB? franchise player? hahahahahahahahahaha
Would not even put Bosh in the same league as Rodman. Rodman is another level.
I love Dan's take on this..23:56
Reggie earned his stripes, no doubt. If you are unsure, ask the NY Knicks.. Lol
THANK YOU Reggie for tellin the truth finally !
at that point Stockton was better than Isiah anyway. so who cares
like isiah said in a segment of open court, its okey for him if jordan bird or magic said they dont want him on the dream team but if anybody below them said that they dont want him on the team he will not accept that.
GREAT INTERVIEW
Joe: Hey you Kno Them Boyz Under The Rim Waiting ... What You Gone Do💥
Reggie: Dam Man🤦🏾♂️
Joe was being nice. But it was psychological warfare. Good cop bad cop.
Hollis Vaughn now y’all know why Reggie was a shooter no paint work it’s ruff down there
27:58 I am pretty sure he did AFTER the 2016 finals when LeBron said he was chasing the ghost in Chicago and then he went to say Jordan's teammates should get more credit.
Rightfully so tho... I love Lebron, also grew up a Pistons fan in Michigan..but Jordan is the best player I've ever seen. Hands down
Tashrif Alam Man!!! I love this documentary. The Pistons were the real deal. Jordan should appreciate what Detroit did for him
They elevated him. The fact that Jordan finally went through them to win and never looked back is remarkable. Jordan didn’t have to jump to any other Super Star team to win his Rings. KD, Lebron can’t say that
@@maxmx767 not only that, Pippen was a 7ppg bench player. Jordan took him under his wing and personally trained him. Held practice sessions at MJs house every morning and worked with Scottie 1 on 1.. not only did MJ not jump teams, but he didn't team up with other star players, he took a guy off the team and personally helped create his costar. He didnt go into detail, but in the documentary, Jordan said Pippen was his main focus
Darrell Hardy Facts!!! Pippen has the tools though! But I always debate this. Jordan went through the growing pains and developed that core ( Jordan, Pippen, Grant, Paxson, ) . He didn’t go crazy and jumped to play Dominique, Bird or Barkley. It’s so ridiculous to me when I saw Lebron and KD forming Super Teams with established AllStars to be able to win 🤦♂️
Who were they chasing?? 😂😂
Good one Dan and Reggie.
It was on MJ because there is video of asking MJ to play and the first thing he said was... WHO'S ON THE TEAM??
See that's the problem and Reggie should know as well as those that grew up during that time that in the 80s and early 90s teams was still putting up 100 pts on the board go look up that 91 conference finals scores outside of game 4 of the finals . The Knicks and pistons series in 92 really jump started low scoring games in the playoffs. Then from there it happened in the Knicks pacers rivalry Knicks heat. Hell I remember in 91-92 during that year if the Knicks held their opponents under 90 pts the fans used to get free pizza from across the street . This narrative that the bad boy pistons started that string of low scoring is nonsense . They wud still put up pts on teams . The league hated when the Knicks brought into that notion of we can play that way and the league office said this gotta stop. C'mon anybody that watched the NBA back then knows not even the bulls and sun's series wasn't a ton of points. Today's league is soft. I'm not saying clotheline guys but make it tough . Zone defense made defenders into zone punks. No man to man which sucks . Back then u had to hold ya own or u was gone
Loved the ending to this video. You're so right not just in this scenario with Isiah but every day life. Adults need to be held responsible for their actions. You do something wrong put your hand up and own up to that mistake, if you don't think you were in the wrong despite the popular opinion then be like Laimbeer and just tell it how it is or was.
MJ need to move on and quit whining. Damn!
7 gm series between 96 Bulls and Durant Warriors, home games played in era’s rules. Little chance Warriors win a 96 era type of game. I think Bulls roster would adapt great in today’s game. They could just leave the bigs on the bench, and have a frontline rotation of Rodman, Kukoc, and Pip?
I love that we have a professional sports journalist and hall of fame baller, discussing time-warp player swap hypotheticals about who would beat who in what era.
These discussions are more interesting now, because there is so much footage of MJ playing. We could never go back years ago. There wasn’t an app that could take me to 3 hours of highlights on any player that has ever played. You can literally watch complete random mid-season games from 88’ now. It’s awesome, and prevents some of the recency bias so prevalent in sports.
I agree, MJ will not let anything go. He definitely wants the world to know, that he is the GOAT.
I don’t think that’s really much of an issue. You see so many of the current generation who never saw MJ play who argued so hard for LeBron being the greatest. MJ finally signed off on the doc and so many of that generation after finally seeing all that MJ did for the first time to have a comparison it was fascinating to see how huge in MJs favor a ton of polls conducted around the time of the documentary where MJ won every single poll over LeBron. I can see why a lot of people would perceive MJ caring about which is the GOAT as petty but at the same time I also can get why he’d put it out and remind people of just who he was if the debate is going to continue on endlessly while people only see LeBron playing and don’t have a comparison in front of them. MJ has always been the ultimate competitor so why would this be any different? The debate is silly anyways - i just choose to appreciate both. It’s all subjective anyways.
Michael Jordan told Rod Thorn "I'll play only if Isiah isn't on the team". Go read The Dream Team 25th anniversary book folks! Its in there!
Tomestis Vivian , Jordan felt in a way toward Asiah. And that is the reason why he was told, indirectly, that Asiah wouldn’t be part of the dream team. They didn’t want to lose Jordan. They knew Jordan wouldn’t want to play with him.
Back in the days when top players wanted to play in The Dream Team👍🏽
Michael went to the Commish and said no Isaiah or I'm out !