'The Last Dance' Told Us Why LeBron James Will NEVER be Michael Jordan - Doug Gottlieb
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- Опубликовано: 3 май 2020
- DOUG GOTTLIEB SHOW - Doug Gottlieb & Ric Bucher give us their takeaways from the 'The Last Dance' documentary chronicling Michael Jordan's Chicago Bulls.
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The reason why Lebron will never be the greatest has nothing to do w Lebron & his political stance. It's simple... he's not better than MJ.
GymHustle 💯
Amen to that.
simple FACTS bro
@Jason Harris What we Know today about both. We need to make a pick in a draft Michael Jordan is on the board with Lebeba both are 18 years old. WHO do you pick. The answer seems simple. It is MJ. LMAO!
@Rico Wright 6 rings are better than 2 . Zero Gold Zero NCAA titles. It is not even close. Kareem was a better center. LMAO!
Kobe was the closest thing we ever had to being the next MJ. Lebron is not even in the conversation.
Nah Hakeem was. They just happened to play at the same time and played center rather than shooting guard. Kobe is a distant third.
I agree with you, Kobe is the 2nd best player ever after Jordan. Lebron I have in my top 10 and that’s as far as I would put lebron.
@@joshportie nope. ilogical comment. kobe was a SG and Hakeem was a Center. do you even know basketball??
Doug you sticking to facts over feelings
Like a man.
Unlike single mother raised feelings over facts LeBron.
@Dats a paddlin lebron got issues with teammates had to be sedated quit and lost.. jordan gambles gets rips wins next 4 games and chip
shamicheal lewis yal say the dumbest things did you even watch that series? Show me where he quit
@@crhuynh8 no lies told my guy.
Also Jordan played in those First Air Jordan in last MSG game in bloody sneaker tells all. He didn't tell the public after the game as oppose to Lebron who wore that fake hand brace after a poor game for public support.🤔
Lion of Truth I remember that.....😂😂😂 I still can’t believe he did that! Folks easily forget Lebron is soft compared to MJ! MJ is the Goat and it’s not a Knock on Lebron....just ain’t MJ and didn’t transcend the sport like he did. Greatest athlete of all time is MJ!
@@lovegod84jesus80 100% agree. Michael Jordan is not just the greatest basketball player of all time, but the greatest sportsman to have ever lived. Period. I tell people all the time.
Lion of Truth 💯 And he alway manipulating the media, leaking stuff and wanting pity.
How about when he got those cramps. It looked like he got shot by a Howitzer Cannon.What a wimp.That punk is not a pimple on Jordan's Azz. LMAO!
@@RICHARDHENNESSY You meant those early Bulls teams with one superstar weren't good enough to beat 5 hall of famers? So, you're also gonna leave out that Orlando Woolridge and Charles Oakley were the 2nd best players for the Bulls playoff runs in '86 & '87 respectively?Scottie had not even been drafted yet and he didn't mature into a superstar until the '90-'91 season.
The 2011 NBA Finals told us why LeBron will never be Michael Jordan.
Tony Boots he’s not supposed to be wtf? Why would he wanna be mike? Why not be himself?
Checkmate
Yea a loser in the finals
D Jones
What’s implied by that statement is that LeBron would be the GOAT. Of course he can’t actually be him, but when he came in the league, some called him the next Jordan, meaning the next GOAT. Hope that clears things up as far as what that refers to.
Lebron brings everything on himself.
Not 1 not 2 not 3 not 4 not 5 not 6 not 7 il give u 2 rings only and a choke job to the mavs.
That right there made me the GOAT WTF Lebron your record is 9 finals 3 rings 33% SH--HOUSE
As I was watching this Doc which is getting better and better with each episodes. It was crazy how players played defense. Every shot MJ and the Bulls made there were always crazy defense trying to stop them and vice versa. Jordan's defense was beautiful as his offense. I really think Jordan is the GOAT. Easily.
Also the illegal defense rules made things a bit easier in my opinion. That’s not taking away from how amazingly skilled guys were back then but if there was no way to play help defense consistently, it’s sort of making it easier for the offense. You could only double team or stay with your man, no shading over to the ball handler so the defense was forced to stay glued to a bad shooter or go and full out double team which would allow an easy cut to the basket. You couldn’t play middleman defense back then
Simon Sez spot on. If people actually cared to go back and watch old games, some of the defense is actually atrocious. Jordan drifted by the suns defense every play in game 4 of the 93 finals with such ease because of the illegal defense rule. It was either 1 on 1 or a hard double team, can’t compare to today.
@Rico Wright Some of us don't have to do that much 'research'...we were there when he played. They weren't on TV much, it was black and white television...some of you might have to research what black and white TV is....Chamberlain was a freak of nature, so athletic for his size, it just wasn't fair. But if you "research' Wilt's career stats you'll find that the stats they kept back then match up to Jordan's better than a lot of players...BUT they're NOT as good. ANY IDIOT that thinks "a series on Jordan" makes him the GOAT didn't see him PLAY....that's what makes him the GOAT.
@@Simon_Sez The rules were literally changed to make it easier for perimeter scoring. With the league saying, "Look, we're going to eliminate this, this and this to make perimeter scoring easier. And then again more so two years ago, in which we then started seeing multiple game at 130+ points every night.
Kobe Bean 824 agreed mate
The main reason he won’t ever be in a legit conversation with mike is that mike didn’t ever stack the deck in his favor. Mike never joined his would be opponents as opposed to facing them. He just beat anyone in front of him.
Hes not better than duncan kobe hakeem or bird
He beat them with the best players in the world... Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman, Tony Kukoc
There was no need for Jordan to stack the deck when Jerry Kraus already stacked the deck for him...you emotional weirdos are so illogical 🤦🏾♂️
@@YungLanxx Yes and no. Yes, in the sense that Pippen became 1 of the top 10, maybe even Top 5 players in the league at the time of their run, but as great as those teams were, Lebron, with DWade and Bosh in Miami was pretty stacked, talent wise.
The Bulls had great role players that could play, but Lebron's Miami years were superstar stacked...not the same.
MrChocolateMan bro...basketball is much more than having big names on the roster, Wade was a superstar yes but he was on a very sharp decline from 2012 and onward, Lebron wasted away Wade’s last great superstar season in that mavs series but other than that let’s stop pretending Miami was some unstoppable powerhouse due to 3 big names. Bosh was never really a superstar and as well as he fit on that roster the rest of the team was never that great, Carlos Arroyo and Joel Anthony were friggen starters for Christ’s sake along with the fact they had a rookie head coach.
But that’s not even the point, Lebron spent 7 years in that hell hole of an organization with the Cleveland cavaliers where nobody wanted to go play, and where they have always been one of the most incompetent nba front offices throughout Lebron’s career, as opposed to Jordan on the bulls where they drafted well, hired arguably the greatest coach in nba history, and operated great with trades and free agency. The point is that if Lebron was with a competent organization to start there would be no need to take matters into his own hands.
It has even been a good thing as now since then teams with superstars (outside of Phoenix) will have fire lit under their asses to make sure they stay competitive as now players are much more mobile.
I was actually happy MJ did not try to make himself look good by saying "Listen I support this and this charity and I do this and this"...He just said "THAT's my craft. Selfish? Propably". I think that's straight forward and way better than acting like you care but when money is on the line you don't care that much. And also I like when people with personal shortcomings don't act like they can teach people in behaviour and morals.
Facts. Lebron acts woke and like he cares but when his money is in question like with the HK issue, he shuts his ass up. Such a phony bruh and people try to compare him to Ali who actually stood for things that could/would harm his play
Louie Paolo Lumanglas
I totally agree with you, but even Ali went to former Zaire to fight George Foreman, when Mobutu was the leader, one of the longest dictatorships in Africa.
I think Jordan is the ultimate Bball player, but after the last dance, I do admire even more, because he’s genuine.
Louie Paolo Lumanglas bro why is that a problem? What have you done for your ppl to call Lebron a phony?
Louie Paolo Lumanglas y’all hate a man that’s done more for blacks than Jordan has ever did.
@@edwardwalden05 do you even understand what happened with the Hong Kong protestors? if you did you would call LeBron a phony as well so im going to educate you
people in Hong Kong were protesting for more freedom in Communist China. Houston Rockets General Manager Darryl Morey tweeted he was fully in support of them. so far, no problem there. now a little backstory:
Hong Kong is part of China but has its own autonomous set of rules and regulations apart from communist China. those separate rules and regulations expire in the year 2047 when Chinese communist rules will be adopted as law in Hong Kong. this is because Hong Kong was ruled by Britian before 1997 when it was handed back to China
the Hong Kong protestors were pretesting new laws and rules being put into place that were more aligned with how laws and restrictions are implemented in mainland China. they still wanted thier region run how it was like under Britian, a democracy
then LeBron tweeted that Moreys tweet "was uninformed and could lead to serious financial repercussions". look at that. a basketball player from USA supporting communist policies in democratic Hong Kong against the protestors
of course there was an explosion of backlash from LeBrons tweet. the protestors saw LeBron as a traitor to democracy who was only protecting his billion dollar Nike interest in China
Nike, Reebok, and Addidas all see China as a bigger more profitable market than USA and Europe combined in the upcoming decade. they do not want anything to destabilize thier interests there
the protestors in Hong Kong and in mainland China threatened to boycott all Nike products and Nike *forced* LeBron to make a retraction, which he did
it seems that LeBron can get as political and "woke" as much as he wants but when it comes to money, you can make sure LeBron will say and do anything to keep Nike and his coffers full
LeBron is a sell out for that filthy lucre. if he were a man of integrity he would have supported Morey but instead showed the world he supports making his pockets full of cash more, at the cost of people of Hong Kong freedom
LeBron hasn't even passed Kobe. Why are we talking about Jordan?
Exactly
Thank you.
Yes he has
Holden Caulfield yes he has. He has 3 finals mvp to Kobe’s 2, and I’m the biggest Kobe fan. A ring is a team accomplishment, if you wanna compare individuals, you compare finals mvp. Having a ring only means you played on the best team, but that FMVP proves you were the best player on that team, and Kobe wasn’t the best on every team he’s played on.
@@edwardwalden05 so you mean to tell us that Kobe was not robbed of several mvps due to his Colorado incident? Come on Steve nash won 2 mvps, those were kobe Bryant's mvps, kobe was unanimously the best player in the league at that time but off the court stuff prevented him from becoming the poster child of the league. Trust me without the Colorado issue Kobe could have won at least 4 regular season mvps.
MJ was a WINNER!
FictionRumble if you win a championship your a winner duh it’s alotta winners
HE DID WAYYYY MORE LOSING
D Jones right
@@RICHARDHENNESSY That's because the game was harder, you can lose to any team of you are not careful. Learn to analyze better before making a comment.
MJ winner, LeBron WHINER
There will never be a combination like Jordan/Pippen
2 out of 4 vs 6-0. Easy debate!
. It's like jordan pippen is Dr pepper and lebron and wade are Dr Thunder.
+1 Jordan Pippen
Kobe/ shaq my favorite duo
Me & your mom tho😭... just messin’ with you
Jordan been retired for 17 years now and his sneakers still out selling lebrons
Retros do, specifically the retros 💯
3 threezy
Yeah the other Jordan’s always look pretty ugly to me despite me not even being alive to witness all the retros original releases so I don’t think I was just brainwashed by commercials and whatnot
mj sells more than lebron,steph, kobe and kyrie combined.
Mj made 130 while LeBron made 30 million last year. (From shoes)
Yup.... this proves Jordan is the GOAT..of marketing and media hype. No athlete had as much exposure as Jordan...which is why he is a fan fav.....he is not the best player ever....he never was
Truth. The comparison was over once Lebron left Cleveland to join two all stars in Miami.
Travelin Man It was over when he wore #23 & stole Mike’s powder toss. Matter of fact, it was over before it started. The 🏀 Gods chose already.
Blessed Disciple Truth also lol. But I tried to cut him a break
Rico Wright True. But Jordan 3 peated with only Pippen as an all star the first go round. Lebron had D Wade and Bosh. And Lebron had a Kyrie. You can’t switch teams 3 times to get an advantage and still lose 6 finals and be the GOAT.
@Rico Wright because Jordan never cried about the early years in his career when he had zero help. He never "brought his talents" elsewhere. He stayed loyal to the team that drafted him, and helped turn a terrible franchise into one of the biggest dynasties in sports.
Jordan never played teams of LeBrons Caliber, people are funny. Put Jordan against LeBron opponents, he woulda turn out with the same record. Jordan has a story that can't be beat. But their is context to every story.
"I've missed more than 9,000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 game. 26 times I've been trusted to the games winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over in my life and that's why I succeed." - Michael Jordan
"I'm the greatest player " - lebron james 🤣🤦🏿♀️🤷🏿♀️
🤣🤣🤣
"because I've lost more finals than I've won." LBJ
@@demontiakpinkney5881 rings aren't the only criteria for being the goat. While Bill Russell was great he isn't even in the goat conversation
@@demontiakpinkney5881 the goat conversations will never end. People are entitled to their opinion. If you don't like the goat conversation, might want to stay clear of RUclips comment sections and such. MJ = The one and only GOAT 🐐
@@samsonjavati9622 ok ok ok👌 o
Lebron brought the Cavs their first championship but remember Michael brought the Bulls 6!
Mike had the perfect pieces and perfect coach...the coach went to the finals 7 more times after mike it’s time to show the coach love...and can’t say mike without Scottie!!! Bron never had a Scottie if Cleveland would have gave him that brons whole career is different
D Jones Yea but LeBron had free agency and the opportunity to find his version of scottie. And he failed doing that as well. Nice try buddy
@@djones1943 LeBron had a Kyrie in Cleveland. He had maybe the 3rd best SG in NBA history in Miami
Johnny only jordan right, not pippen and the rest of that squad
@@tredd4997 thank you for remembering that he played for the heats.
The true legend! MJ23 = GOAT
MJ wanted to challenge anyone in his way and would keep chopping wood till he beat them...Lebron when challenged found ways to either run from the challenge or rig it to the point he won...Dan Majerle was all nba 1st team...Jordan wanted his heart...Clyde was compared to MJ and he wanted his soul...Lebron just isn’t as skilled or as good nor does he have the mentality to be able to deal with what MJ dealt with and still show up! He couldn’t show up when the chips were down in Miami or Cleveland.
@Dats a paddlin I know one place Jordan wasn't losing 🥴
Jordan drug a 30 -52 win bulls team to the playoffs his rookie year. Next year lost to a 67-15 Celtics team with 4or 5 Hall of Famers , lost to that same team the next year that lost in the finals to Lakers and , then the bad boy Pistons , Jordan had some harder roads than LeBron by far
@@FlyHy89 yea after magic got aids bird was and Isiah career cut short due to injury. Lol mj was dominating who? Other the Lakers what championship teams did he beat in the finals? Lebron dominated for a decade straight Jordan was mentality weak after 3 straight finals.
@Dats a paddlin 😂😂😂😂 I know Jordan wasn't carried off the court for cramps ....And to be honest Jordan and Pippen would've shut the splash brothers down
You could literally drop a bulls team down into this era of basketball right now and they'll still go back to back .
Jordan would abuse Klay Thompson, Dennis would make Draymond quite.
And for the spurs 😂😂😂😂😂🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
@@Hotskithegreat what did Lebron dominate Because all i see is 3 rings on superteams.Jordan won 2 rings without an all star team mate.
By getting to 8 straight finals thats all Lebron fans care about U HAVE TO WIN no prizes for 2nd place its failure.
The political position has absolutely nothing to do with why Lebron is not the GOAT over Jordan. The.bottom line is, MJ won three in a row twice! END OF STORY RIGHT THERE!!!!
LeBron and the NBA dropped the ball on China and the Hong Kong protests. They realized communists have money too.
Max Steele lebron response was not bad. People act like lebron is in China everyday he didn’t know much about it.
@@hiitsme3039
His response was hypocritical. He's saying he's a civil rights activist and people were being repressed.
@@hiitsme3039 he didn't know much about it so he should have stayed out of it. People say MJ was too silent, in some cases, like China, I think LeBron is too loud.
Maybe for you not for me
He got swept in the finals, no way you can have that happen and be considered the GOAT, he couldn’t even strap it on and win one game.
Jordan lost 3 years in a row to 6 foot 2 Isaiah Thomas and the pistons. Left basketball in his prime came back and lost to shaq and penny in the playoffs. All the greatest players had failures and made big mistakes.
CarlyUTube I agree! Lebron playing the unselfish "right" way led his teams to a Finals record of 18-31 in nine appearances. Along the way he got swept twice and lost two different series 4-1. Mj playing the "wrong" way led his teams to a 24-11 record and never lost a Finals in six appearances.
@@joem1709 He got swept at 22 years old, 4 years in only 2nd year in the playoffs by a 3 time Champion Dynasty. The Spurs had iterally won 3 of the last 10 titles and 2 of the last 5. He got swept by a team it took him 7 games to beat without KD, that picked up KD! All the while he was playing with the 2nd worse group of players in the league. But none of that context matters. Y'all are the definition of LAMES
@@yungesjosef he hand pick them players and ran one off to Boston 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
@@tristandavis9335 Bro Y'all just say things. Kyrie ran to Boston and proved himself trash! LeBron specifically told the Cavs not to trade him. Kyrie even apologized.....I'm guessing LeBron just the GM. I like how y'all are NBA insiders and work in the Cavs main office to know LeBron can actually handpick his teammates. Y'all are idiots that follow narratives, disregard context, and make self justifications to be LeBron haters. 🌽 balls
LeBron James should have never trash talk the GOAT, by saying his win against Dubs make him the greatest of all time forcing the GOAT to show him the moon walk
How did he trash talk him, everybody on earth has a right to think and say they are the best at what they do only a weak minded person will say another person is better then them. He didn’t even bring MJ up, I’m a fan of both but I know MJ is better but LB still has that right to think highly of hisself.
I don't think yall get how hard it is to pass Jordan
One ring that's it
@Rico Wright He's a stat padder. He really punched niggas just for rebounds
Rico Wright I can name 5 that’s been past him.
Chasing ghost
M M Boy do you know how to read?
The infatuation with Lebron is hilarious! ENJOY JORDAN!
If MJ retired after the first 3-peat and never played again, he would still be clearly better then LJ!
luke trevitt laughable, just say your a Jordan fan and go on
Funny people say Jordan would lock up Lj but if kobe is MJ 2 and still got served by James then why do people think he wouldn't school Mike
@@cymandejackson956 served or scored? Your wordage needs work. Don't use words to describe something that wasn't meant to be exaggerated. Players have scored on Jordan. That doesn't make them better let alone "got schooled" get real dude
Plus you're a nobody so what would you know lol
@@cymandejackson956 haha next you will say LJ is better then MJ
@@heelchillwilltv5388 Fan of both. How is it laughable, 3-peat vs 3 titles, 10 scoring titles to 1. I dont see it being close.
A sports star focusing only on sports....what a concept...if I want political views, I will listen to talk radio.
You act like he says this during games. What he says off the court on other platforms is totally different t
Darth Structure so true. I don’t know why ignorant people want guidance from people who are not qualified.
@@comedianbradfowler half the idiots on CNN and Fox news aren't qualified either
Yep.
@@comedianbradfowler people just want to be told what they want to hear...thats why there are commentators for each side..they all just parrot each other and it becomes echo chambers where if any opposing arguments are made they are harrassed, silenced or blocked.
Everyone should listen to as many ideas from as many different people as possible before forming personal opinions...and even coming to an opinion we should always be open to a change of heart when new evidence or compelling arguments are presented.
It’s ridiculous for anybody to ask MORE of MJ. He didn’t need to be “woke” and save black America for him to be the GOAT. It’s pathetic this is how LBJ thinks he’ll inch past him 🤦🏿♂️
He had a chance to prove how woke he is in china. Nice try
smutton you sound like a salty bronsexual. It’s ok we can enjoy lebron AND MJ. Lebrons just isn’t the GOAT
@smutton their stupid bro....MJ wouldn't even look in this dumbasses direction and they praise him like a god lol
@smutton yet you probably want to give lebron filacio
mj has always been overrated....MJ only won in the expansion 90's...never in the 80's when Bird was clearly the best player....media hype..commercials, shoe sales and a weak era combined to convince an army of sheep that MJ was somehow greater than the other greats... Jordan was never the GOAT.... Lebron is better than MJ...so was Bird...so was Wilt
Rick Bucher: "The players today are far more skilled...."
Almost every player now travels (horrible footwork) and free throw% as a whole is down. The players now are more skilled in some areas yes but they lack some of the fundamentals of the game because of the emergence of AAU Basketball and 1 and done players.
League is filled with kids who do 1 year in college and then come to the NBA.
More athletic do to modern training and diet but less skilled. Sick of people saying players today are more skilled, skill and athleticism is 2 different things. LeBron is a physical specimen and athletic body type but his "skills" aren't a fraction of Jordans. Skills are something u work and develope and gain over time. LeBron being 6'8 270 driving to the hoop and out muscling everybody isn't much of a skill. Stepping back and knocking down a mid range shot at will is a skill.
And the majority of the great players dont know how to play without the ball in their hands. There's skill and iq involved in being able to play off ball.
Daniel Clark well said.
More evolved, maybe. Definitely not more skilled I hate when they say that
Not a bad thing to be lebron james also lol
CaRL DJuSTIceD I rather be Jordan
Paul Williams I’d rather be lebron than to be you
CaRL DJuSTIceD It’s not a bad thing to be yourself.
G Snickers 😂😂😂
The last flop lebron James 🤣🤣
The way we see MJ in the 90s especially behind closed doors... Is Very opposite as to the MJ of today who is quiet, invisible, and it's even not sth u pick up from his highlights ... A lot of people start to understand how driven he was, how cocky/self-confident he was about who he was and his skills. I mean he even called himself God (jokingly maybe). And even in today's interviews in the Last Dance he still has the confidence to say that he was the best of the best back then. Plus look at all the media circus around him in the 90s, look at how Stern and all say that he was the face of basketball in the world, he put the NBA on the map, look at the constant scrutiny and pressure he was always under. Lebron today is nothing. He can't even say he's the best in the league these past years. It's not that clear. Jordan on the other hand... He was like Michael Jackson. They will probably bring up his comeback from baseball and that will show his greatness even more.
Well said😊
You were making sense til you mentioned lebron
If people want to act like hand checking is the only reason the NBA is soft right right now...fine..debate away. Hand checking became illegal after Lebron's first season as a ROY. That year he was 20.9/5.5/5.9 on 44% shooting. His rookie year. For comparison...MJ lite (Kobe) averaged 24/5.5/5.1 on 44% shooting. His 8th yr in the league. Lebron is bigger...stronger..faster...and mote efficient than Kobe. Anyone arguing Kobe also wouldn't have made it in the hand checking era? If Kobe could...Bron could. Also...one got hurt often...one doesn't. That matters.
You mentioned the media around MJ. You will never convince me..even with all the media around him....THAT type of scrutiny TODAY is comparable.
Ex: It took a few weeks for reports of players actually breaking rules and playing. It took us over 35 years to find put MJ was playing while he was supposed to be rehabbing.
Listen man..as a sports fan...I am enjoying this doc. But people...keep things in perspective here. MJ retired twice before the "you can't use his time with the Wizards because it doesn't matter" phase. MJ himself has said in the doc he retired the first time because he just got burnt out. It was too much pressure and he didn't feel like it was worth it. I see it as humanizing MJ and actually letting ME see he is an actual human. But I am confused how MANY people hear MJ give his reason for retirement and people just...don't listen. I...to this day...have friends tell me he retired because of his dad. MJ never said that (though I'm sure it's part of it). People say it's because of the gambling. Well...MJ did hint at his problems with "competitiveness" (pretty sure I have heard gambling addicts say the same). But to be fair...it could have also just been part of the reason. We hear him say the grind and pressure day in and day out with no peace is not worth what he had....but what some people hear is "listen...you can't be me without this so it sucks but GOATS grind and that why I'm the best". Now imagine the grind he had to go through all those years...just with media alone...going to those finals. 3 straight times...twice. Now....imagine having to have that same thought process while going to the finals EIGHT straight seasons. You think that kind of mental strength is easy? Try it for yourself...because I don't even want to imagine being MJ or Lebron.
papito5ft6 Nobody can’t imagine being Jordan because he’s a cyborg. All night he’ll gamble then get two hours of sleep. Wake up and go play golf then drop 40 that same day. It was too easy for him.
@@papito5ft6 ... Lebron's rookie season stats are actually 20.9/5.5/5.9 on 41.7%. Kobe was 24/5.5/5.1 on 43.8% in his 8th year. He has never been that efficient anyways. And to add, Lebron's shooting percentages began to get better when the rules changes took affect, allowing for the lanes to open and easier movement into the lane became available (Look at how Tony Parker and Steve Nash started waltzing into the lane easily). He also gets away with using his off arm to push his way to the basket, something Kenny Anderson would always get called for. It is an offensive foul but they magically let him get away with it. I'd also like to add that most of Lebron's shots (about 66%) for his career comes from within 3ft of the basket. So his shooting percentages can't really be compared to players that take more midrange/long-range jumpers than he ever thought about taking. Lastly, Lebron and Kobe averages the same amount of shots per game over their careers. So much for that "Lebron is a pass first player" bullcrap!
Jordan was a winner.. A relentless killer. Instead of making excuses and wearing a soft cast, Jordan just got better...
Mr. Perfect 💯
He was wearing a boxing wrap
lebron fans will never understand...mj is legendary cause of his failures an breaking through..he failed and got better..it was not handed to him...lebron was handed the super team an handed the 2016 finals
Well said
He cried to the league and starting winning when you couldn't breathe on him in a water down league
The difference lies in the amount of mistakes made and the passivity exhibited in win or lose scenarios. 1st game vs GS he had the switch he needed and he chose a risky pass instead of imposing your will and winning the game single-handely.
Risky? It was the right play. Hill was open. If not for K Love’s stupid foul on Steph, the overturned call against KD, and JR’s brain fart they wouldn’t have been in that position in first place. Bron played the game of his life and got screwed by the refs and his teammates.
@@juicyjay8642 he wasn’t open. He was in an awkward position. He was cold. And the franchise had 50 points til that point and the ball in his hand. Everyone except lebron expected him to create a shot not throw a bullet pass.
I followed him religiously for his first 5-6 seasons, but his folding vs Boston in '10 made it clear enough to me that he would never be as great as Jordan.
Everything that's occurred since then has only served to confirm it....and boyyyyy, HAS it. Such a shame.
@@juicyjay8642 oh here we go...... " lEbROn gOT SCRewEd bY the reFS". It's never on him, always the rest of the team, the coach, and the refs. 6 finals, 6 titles, 6 mvps.
This documentary is really starting to expose Lebron James. It doesn't matter what all of these analysts say to desperately save a legacy that has been since died. The GOAT debate is over... 1. JORDAN 2. KOBE
How this doc exposed somebody it’s not even about 🤦♂️ yal put dude in everything he really be on yal mind that much?
Hn lebron 1st,Jordan 2nd,Kareem 3rd,Kobe 4th and that’s simple 🤷🏽♂️
@Dats a paddlin Kobe has more Rings than Lebron, a Winning record in the Finals, 5 rings, 2FMVP's, 3peat, Back to Back Titles and a Dynasty............
and 12x All Defense
@@jaydubb2005 kobe is not even top5 lol and lebron is top5 kobetard lol
he has his own legacy....yall are the ones falling for media trap comparing him. Lebron will be fine. Now work on your own legacy bud..don't live through someone elses
Totally agree with those points, but also. Lebron simply wasn't built to be at the top of the mountain of greats. That person is built with a mentality of Michael Jordan, Kobe bryant. Not a Lebron James who thrives living in others shadows. Wears 23, Joined Dwade(which killed it for me) Greats don't do that, Living in the shadows of the Laker greats, Never built a dynasty, doesn't have a ring that you say, I gotta give it to him. Lebron is exciting to watch, but when his career is finished, people who are excited, will begin to see his career for what it is, and it doesn't stack up. Also he's recreating Michael's movie 😅wtf. This is ya'll king? Hell nah...
@Rico Wright MJ is arguably the most fundamental AND athletic player in history. If it wasn't for the triangle, his numbers would be more insane than they are. Don't forget that when he played as a combo guard for 11-12 games in like '88, he averaged 33, 11, and 11, WITH 3 steals, two way player. 7 straight triple doubles and 10 out of 11 games. What skill set are you talking about?
@@whitespacecollective95 get 'em
Retiring wealthy and healthy should be the goal of these phoneminal men. Why people who can't play at all have so much to say is foolishness. They are both Great to their fans period.
He's a joke
Kobe was the best player on the redeem team FYI
Chipo Mumbi but D wade was the teams leading scorer(bron 2nd)..bosh led in Reb(bron 3rd)..Paul led in a assist(Bron 2nd)..lebron led in blocks and steals ...how can you be the “best player” and not lead in any category..that 08 team was a TEAM effort
@@andrecampbell9651 Who took over in the Gold Medal game in Beijing? That's right it was Kobe and Kobe hit the shot of shots. That's why you can't use stats, especially in a team like Team USA where everyone makes sacrifices because everyone is good, as the basis on who was the best player.
If it wasn't for kobe they would have loss
D.Wade was the best player on the redeem team bruh Kobe was the closer on that team though
Tell them again
MJ still is the Standard of basketball GOAT
Look at Jordan, Man! 🐐
In fact when the game is more physical, you have to be more skilled to even survive in the game. The ball handling ? Players today are simply allowed to do what was considered carrying the ball. The 3's ? Players shot more, they're not more accurate.
Tangara Speedgoda dude magic would carry ever trip I watched Jordan travel at least 3 times a game the nba since the 80s have been geared towards entertainment. Charles Oakley said it best when you have superstar calls is cheating.
I disagree about physical play requiring more skill. Especially defensively, skill will outlast physical play.
Skunky Beaumont
Yeah it’s definitely more skilled to be able to move your feet and only put your chest into someone to stop them rather than being able to use your hands but that’s just my opinion
@@blakeharris58
He's not saying that being physical takes more skill.
He's saying that whenever you're constantly facing a physically enduring challenge, it requires a high level of skill to consistently overcome it.
That's why whenever MJ was facing those rugged Knicks teams or the Bad Boys Pistons, you ALWAYS saw some of the most spectacular plays from him, because he had to come up with creative ways to score against them.
@@natedablack7857 I get that point. I just believe the better defensive player doesn't need to be physical if he *has* skills. An unskilled player can only take physicality so far.
According to me this is a "within the media" discussion. Y'all should talk to yourselves. Fans never said Bron was even close to Bird or Magic, y'all put him next to MJ. So fix it!!
I like what Jalen Rose said. He was one of the few media personalities to openly question how Lebron got to skip Magic Kareem and etc. Bird in particular. I remember thinking he was just a white dude with a shot but after researching him I was hella surprised at how his stats mirrored Lebrons and his overall play was a beauty to watch. Like damn. And don’t get me started on Magic. Assist numbers will never tell U how far above everyone else he is in regards to passing
What?
Bird ahead of Lebron is absolutely comical.
You can have that opinion but it's a very stupid opinion.
Ace Potter it actually isn’t and for you to say that shows you don’t know basketball.
Facts
Fuddyduddie1 if you know basketball Lebron and Kobe are better than bird and magic stop cappin
Different Eras, different players, different people. There is only one Jordan. comparing is pointless. Lebron is still great in his own right .
Jordan is and was One -Of-A-Kind, and there will never be another. Kobe came close, but not quite. He was a Competitor to his Heart. But what he had that nobody else had was that “ Will To Win” 9 out of 10 he just wouldn’t let his Team lose. He is the G.O.A.T.🐐
Kobe had what mj had. Phil jackson said kobe worked harder than mj. So stop talkn if you dont know what youre talking about
6ft 2hunnid Yes Kobe might have worked harder, but Jordan had more natural gifts. Just think, Kobe worked harder than Jordan but still wasn’t a better player than Jordan.
@Rico Wright ... And they both had weaknesses so that knocks them down the list. When comparing "greatest ever" candidates, that is how you compare!
Kobe didn't come close at all. When he played with the best player in the league for 7 seasons
@@freeisalwaysme shaq said kobe was the best player in the league at age 21. He said this whike they wete playing. Shaq daid he that himself was just the most dominant but kobes the best. Lol as ole dude said kobe came close. Lebron didnt thpugh. Had to form superteams n team hop to win rings lol lol
Lebron fans: Lebron is the GOAT
Me: Then why you have a closet full of Jordans and apparel 🤔
Using what criteria is Lebron anything but a top 10 player? He has shown he is not THE MAN time and again.
Lebron joined DWade who was a better player than him. Jordan never ran to play with a guy better than him.
Wade was not better than Bron STOP!!!!
JERMAINE FISHER he don’t have to stay with one team to win y’all old ass niggas over, wade wasn’t better then him and no matter what even if he stayed u would find another reason to hate or discredit him.
Jordan didn't have to leave to get help because he had Scottie who is a top all-time player. If Lebron had a Scottie he would not have left.
@@goated3285 Athletically no, Wade wasn't better but from a cerebral standpoint Wade was hands down above Bron. Basketball iq or lack thereof at times determine whose the better overall basketball player.
I use to have this debate all the time since d wade is one of my favorites.... imo d wade was better skill wise then bron when they first entered the league.... bron is just bigger then d wade.... 20 years from now the younger generation will say bron played against plumbers and only has 3 rings and he would be just another player in their era that will never be said bout mj he was skilled at every aspect of the game mentally and physically
Saying the obvious.... Michael Jordan is just simply blessed.
This is one of the most honest and best take I have ever hear from a sports analyst.
Thank You Gottlieb. End of the debate. Michael Jordan Greatest of all times.
LeBum can't even win against an Old Celtics team not until he joined Bosh and Wade to get help.
Umm check MJs record against Larry bird's Celtics in the playoffs.. I'll wait
Disagree with Rick after listening to the director's interview with Dan Patrick. MJ had alot of reason to not leave things in but did. Plus I've noticed that everyone brings things up they havnt seen only for it to come up in the next episodes. Literally everything Rick is talking about the director said they go over in the next episode.
It's not that they are lying, but it does either just leave out or gloss over a lot of stuff that would bring up bad games Jordan had that resulted in loses, and it's telling the story from Jordans prospective. Again he's not lying but it's one person's prospective, and then they splice in small clips to support what they are saying. I love this series but it's definitely not a tell and we are being fed a narrative.
@@mcflynnsreturn I agree with you. Jordan is probably the best individual player to ever play the game. It seems this documentary is a way to discredit LeBron James. Why is his name even brought up in this. He has nothing to do with this series. Jordan had a lot of bad games in his career, yes , even in the playoffs but you never here of them. With James it's all over the media. I lost a lot of respect for Jordan after watching this. Imagine a man of his stature belittling Jerry Kraus like that. I was taught if you don't have anything to say good about anyone don't say anything. Scottie Pippen too. They degraded this man. I have people I don't get along with, like most people but I just stay away and ignore them, not demean them.
Albert Nordine Wait... what did Jordan say about LeBron?
@@albertnordine6546 "I lost a lot of respect for Jordan after watching this. Imagine a man of his stature belittling Jerry Kraus like that." That's your choice to do so, but don't hide. Just come out and make your position known without trying to brainwash us into thinking that you had any respect for Michael. "Jordan is probably the best individual player to ever play the game". Not probably. He is the greatest player to play the game. You claim you want to hear the truth yet when you hear the truth you tell us you don't like it. Bro, make up your mind. This is a documentary about MJ and the Bulls, warts and all. All the behind-the-scenes stuff is included, good or bad. You sound like another Bronsexual trying to discredit Michael Jordan. Fyi, Michael Jordan never brought LeBron's name in this documentary, not even for once, yet you want to create this narrative that Michael is somehow threatened by LeBron James? Really? To prove that MJ does not even see LBJ on his radar, he has Kobe in there (according to your logic that Mike controlled everything in the documentary) and there's nothing about LeBron. It is the journalists/analysts that bring up LeBron's name, not Michael Jordan. Let's be clear about that. As for your Krause commentary, you don't know the extent of their relationship. Maybe that's the way they spoke to each other every day. Besides, Michael treated certain teammates in a certain way. That did not mean he was belittling them. He was trying to get reactions from them and in other cases testing them to see if they would handle the pressures of a big-game atmosphere.
@@Tbris0225 indeed! MJ hasn't said a thing about LB! It's the media who's hyping this again and again and again. Lost respect?? Man.... I'm just gaining respect, and that already was through the roof!
👏🏿best take/commentary thus far
I’m dead he said his chasing more than ghost.
Jordan took a failed franchise and made it into a dynasty. Lebron has never been able to do that.
Militarize Jerry Krause ***
Mr. Perfect sorry this a new era of Basketball roll over and cry talking about 80s/90s basketball g
@@indigo7454 Cleveland idiot.
@Mr. Perfect jordan's championship was easy lol he cant get out of 1st round untile he's team got stacked and faced worse opponent in final
@@jph5913 blah blah blah blah blah. You're a nobody.
MJ still sells more shoes than LeBron even after he retired 17yrs ago. That's enough to show u who the goat is.
Wow you're basing it off of shoe sales SMH WOW 🤦🏽♂️
@@mysonandipod ... Just like Lebron stans bash because of political views. What does that have to do with basketball popularity???
“It’s not a documentary, it a production”😂😂
I knew that before The Last Dance lol
I've never seen MJ throw a temper tantrum during crunch time in the 4th. Enough said.
Can’t wait to see princess James documentary The Last Flop 😂
G Man It’s out already...... Space Jam 2🤣😂 The man stole his #, his powder toss, and his movie.....unreal. Damn be your own man
And the other Flopstars are James Harden, Chris Paul, Marcus Smart and Lance Stephenson. 🤣
that is good one
I see what you did there... I like it...
Blessed Disciple I know,right. I totally agree with you.
Oh nice, a new topic
Well said!! Bravo
I hate Doug gottlieb privileged a- but I applaud him saying a black man doesn’t have to speak on all social issues. It’s an unfair double standard. Y’all know y’all wrong.
Privileged... the favorite misguided hypothetical excuse for someone to explain why someone else is more successful they they are.
Actually. Karl Malone and John Stockton were the first players I saw flopping. Jeff Hornacek. And then came Vlade from Europe
Danny Ainge was a big flopper too
Larry bird always complained of bill laimbeers flopping.... aaaand that was in the 80s! Dennis Rodman flopped his entire career. Outright lies just to slander, is what you do to someone who is either a threat to you, or better. My personal opinion is, lebron's better. But everytime i hear Gottlieb aaaand these dodos lie just to keep Jordan clean, and lie just to slander lebron, it confirms what i thought
The Truth indeed
Josh Meza indeed
sholove Sholove you just came outta nowhere with the internet passion. Chill. Everyone just putting forth who they seen first is all. Breathe
Kobe brought a fillet knife to cut your heart out. Jordan brought a samurai sword to dismember you. LeBron brought a butter knife to threaten you.
The conversation itself of comparing the two was and always has been a stretch to begin with but the full case you made in this video pretty much settles it indefinitely.
Lebron chasing ghost that's elusive I doubt if lebron win a finals MVP
He won 3 mate!
@@keziahdelaney8174 In 17 years😂😂.
P H he has 3 already what are you taking about? 🤔
@@edwardwalden05 I'm talking about 4 or 5 finals MVPs silly rabbit
P H you said “a finals mvp” STOOPID! (In my 69 voice).
One of the biggest reasons is that he left Cleveland and build his teams
When did we start answering honestly for other people smfh I had know idea. My mind was open to being spoken for by others.
The man is preaching everything is on point.
Lebron will be the next MJ ? Why would anyone could think of such things, he so many loses in the finals, non apperance in the playoffs, all his finals are saved by someone else in okc, spurs, gsw all of this has been saved by the refs or buy drama.
trebledc why does he wanna be mj?? Shouldn’t he wanna be himself?? Yal should support him wanna to be himself..magic lost 4 times jerry west lost 8...1 person doesn’t change the outcome of team sport..without everybody contributing doing the little things...yal really need to go watch the bulls and pay attention to who did what on that team
D Jones MJ is the only player to win a title with only one double digit scoring teammate and one allstar. Pip averaged 20 and everyone else averaged 8. We already know who did what.
@@djones1943 agree the problem is the media and Nike. Lebron is the one who really having a hard time meeting the expectation, Do i pity him hell no, he is paid for that it's his job. That why i stated who is crazy enough to compare such two person.
Y’all talking about LBJ week in and out after each episode shows why he’s rivaling the throne. Doug who feels KD better doesn’t talk about him this way...GOHD
They do it for the clicks
They do it cuz they know his little fans will flock to the post like vultures
When you're speaking the truth, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE WELL THOUGHT OUT. IT IS WHAT IT IS.
Vince Carter, Doctor J, Clyde Drexler, Kobe Bryant, Paul George & Harold Miner may have been stylistically the most similar to Jordan.
🐐#1 MJ 🐐#2 KOBE!! LeBron is a 😢 👶 LMFAO
Lol
Oh yal made it to the league??
L C g #2 is Magic
The best player of the redeem team was Kobe!
Duh
FACTS!!!
People are also forgetting how great Kobe was, Lebron has a long way of reaching Kobe's achievements.
That little cavs boy gonna build all sorts of superteams
Just enjoy the doc Doug 🙄
SINCE LBJ HAS FAILED AT BECOMING THE GOAT IN THE NBA HE SHOULD TRY THE WNBA ...I THINK HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE THE GOAT THERE
ROTFL😂😂😂😂😂😂
I don't know the WNBA is more physical than today's NBA Lmaooo
Last Dance didn't have to tell us nothing. We're not that stupid!
Well said Doug well said.
Kobe will always be the closes to jordan just because both had that killer competitive mind set lebron mindset is different lebron competitive but not that killer competitive mindset
Nothing is wrong being NUMBER 2 in the NBA so suck it up LeBron James.
or in lebron's case top 10. nothing wrong with top 10 so suck it up
He ain't 2, bro. Top 10, yeah.
And that’s a good thing....l never thought Gottlieb was the brightest bulb in the box but dame he don’t even have a dimmer.🤣😂
He lead the NBA in scoring every year he won the title. He also was the scoring champ and defense player of the year.
I don't think he wants to be MJ. He is is own person, with his own identity.
Jordan has the biggest basketball shoe brand. He has played in 20 year and he still sells more shoes than any nba player. Think about that
Then he should’ve never said he was the goat. He may not want to be MJ but he wants what he has.
Lebron makes sure to go out of his way to illustrate that he is the antithesis of Michael Jordan. He knows that he won't ever upstage MJ on the court so he uses political activism to throw shade at MJ. Basically, Lebron is a pawn of the "woke" executives at Nike.
Facts...like why would he wanna be another man 😂 that’s how grown men really be thinking 🤔
Daniel Clark way does that have to do with what he just said lol they all make millions on they shoes salute to them all they all were great salute to them all
lebron just stat padding at this part in his career he cant jordan in rings so he think numbers willmake him the goat sike
shamicheal lewis he’s competing for a ring it and when the season continues. How is he stat padding?
Yal don’t even know what stat padding is...it’s when the game is out of reach and your purposely still chunking up shots to get to 50 and 60 and chasing that extra rebound or assist?? When he did that?? Stats are apart of the game..and that’s why you watch him on tv instead of him watching you...you don’t get it 🤦♂️
shamicheal lewis Yea stat stuffing in a league that don’t play defense cause he got no choice 🤣 Durant wil be the all time leading scorer. If Bron didn’t have these Bronsexuals in the media there would be no goat topic. They push that false narrative.
Dennis Hopson was not a part of the Scottie Pippen trade. He was taken 3rd overall in the same draft by the Nets. He joined the Bulls as a free agent in 1990.
I grew up in the 80’s, and today I’m a social worker in Chicago and I can tell you, for those of you who are younger than 34, that it’s much easier to speak out on social issues because even though we know there will be opposition, it would be an obviously racist, prejudice, and highly criticized move to take away one’s livelihood for speaking out. It’s easy today to post some crap on social media and move on like nothing happened. Back in the day, we didn’t have social media so, we had to speak out either on television or perhaps on a column we wrote... If you put your bid aside, you will realize that it doesn’t take much to speak out against or for something today.
Thank you!!!
I’ve never seen MJ quit on the Finals I’ve never seen him Loose a series on the finals .i’ve never heard MJ ask management to bring in people so he could win. Definitely didn’t Left the Bulls so he can win.
Its embarrassing. Hes not even top 10
Don’t get wrong Lebron is phenomenal player he a generational player. I’ve seen him play at Staples and yes he will break records but what MJ did is more than just the stats
He didn’t ask to bring help to win because the management behind him and the coaching staff knew talent unlike the Cavs did!! And when Lebron asked to make a move they didn’t want to trade for amare stoudamire in 2010 because they didn’t want to trade a draft pick and some Doritos to get him! Do your homework
@@asylum1166 he begged kd n kawhi to come LA with him. Hes not top 10 all time. I did my homework. Anybody can win rings teaming up
@Asylum11 and how would Amare have improved their fortunes? Bron was out after 2010 anyway. He and Wade and Carmelo discussed it and encouraged the others to sign shorter contracts. Only Melo didn't listen. He needed the money.
Lebron never won defense player of the year and never lead the league in steals
Kingsley Jackson he should’ve won it in 2013 tho he was 3 votes behind marc gasol
And mj was 10x leaugue leading scorer
The Kareem analogy was on point!
Good explanation. Don't need to say more.
It amazes me how people like Rick can speak for other people. Kobie was older inn that interview. People change and mature. Plus on the issue of today's game, each generation is more athletic than the previous generation in every sport.
So stop putting your views in other people mouths.
What does have to do "more athletic" with anything? You delusional if u think that BB is just weight and height. Otherwise, guys like Steph, Dirk, and other slim guys would not be as impactful.
cobrachannel100 right! Doncic is embarrassing these athletic freaks left and right. Athleticism without skill or IQ always loses to skill
Lebron Will not even be Kolby Bryant.
Sudd Fam Bullies who the f**k is Kolby Bryant??......LOL!
This is a great documentary. Even if it was so called objective and unbiased and produced independently, it would still be lacking. I don’t think it would be better, interesting, more informative, more captivating than this one.
One very telling comment was from 2k story mode where LeBron tells you ‘it doesn’t matter what you stand for as long as you stand for something’.
Uh oh here come the Lebron stans with pitchforks 😂😂
The fact that you are now in the 6th episode... and can’t get Lebron out of your mind... shows Lebron’s greatness.
Who said lebron ain't great he just ain't the goat
israel phiri Lebron names attracts his fans and they know that means clicks. MJ fans been around forever so they know we’ll click but if they say Lebron you guys clicking too. It’s a win win and y’all leave mad everytime 😆
The European player brought the lets-fool-the-referee game to the League?? What???
This guy on here see I was in the one shot and the practice when they played the suns at the 7th row well i mean you can see my arm lol like shut up 😂 then say it’s okay knowing it’s the best thing that has released in a while lol 😂
Lechoke James chokes and his documentary will be called "The last Flop"
Sooooop true
Hahaha, that literally made me laugh out loud
@@vbrown2255 right because it's so original
Lmao!😂🤣
Lmaoooo
He never be MJ, because he is LeBron James his own person. His own path to greatness, no two individuals journey is the same that what make them Great.
He's not MJ
Lebron in great.. Just not the GOAT. Simple
pls next time put a photo of Jordan in wizards uniform!!!
Nobody gives a damn about hearing from Dennis Hopson.
People will nitpick anything
Or Brad Sellers