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I can't be the only one here. Lmao Simon. I thought you watched and loved Mindhunter. It cracks me up that you don't remember most of this from the show. Still love you , but the writers must also be perplexed. 💜
I had a kind of messed up childhood with a shitty father, and my step dad came in, and turned me around completely. I'll never ever be able to thank him enough for that.
I really hope you've taken the time to thank him for this. Ideally in person. Honestly, if it were me, I would also write a letter. My dad has passed away, and the maybe two (three?) notes i I received over the years are so precious. Even more are the postcards he wrote to his own mother about how wonderful my mother was.
I’m sorry to hear you had a bad childhood 😢 I’m so glad to hear though, that instead of things going from bad to worst that your *REAL FATHER* came in and did what a *REAL FATHER* does (it just unfortunately took time but it DID happen! ❤❤❤❤ Note: I was afraid I was going to read that something more horrible happened with your stepdad when I got to your second sentence, I’m so relieved that I was wrong!😮😅
He felt bad for leeching off his friend because it made himself look bad and reinforced his low self esteem, not because he empathized with his friend.
I came here to say this. He then chose to go to his mother's home, without permission, wait for her to get home, killed and mutilated her all because he was angry. And the only place to be when he is angry is with her. She did literally become his target of rage multiple times but he had not physically touched her until that last day. There is no reason for rage unless she is involved. This is why he is a model inmate now and also the reason he doesn't want to be released.
One of my favorite jokes (because Simon mentioned hitch-hikers): A woman is driving down a desolate highway in the middle of the night. She sees a man with his thumb out and graciously stops. The man puts a small bag in the back seat, climbs in, and then they're off. "Pretty risky," he laughs, "how do you know I'm not a serial killer?" She smiles and replies: "The odds of there being *two* serial killers in this car are next to nothing."
My dad told me that joke a few years ago when we were out canoeing and for the rest of the trip we were dying laughing asking random people if they wanted to get in a canoe with 2 serial killers. We're probably still on FBI watchlists. 😂🤣
One of my friends was diagnosed with a bunch of personality disorders, and she struggles to have empathy for others. But she tries her hardest to understand others' feelings and not being a horrible person. So when I hear these stories, I agree with you and it's like...it's up to the person to decide the kind of human they become.
i had a friend exactly like that, diagnosed bipolar, lacking empathy, adhd, and the posibility of shizoaffective settling in soon due to genetics. we were friends for 14 years, but she just used me and treated me horribly, then blamed me if she couldn't succeed on her own or make friends at her own workplace, in her own spaces, it was all somehow my fault, even if others weren't subtle at all about how badly she reacted in general or treated them. yet somehow i had, according to her, to be there for her. and i was the only one sticking around taking her BS for all those years. Some people try to be better and succeed, some try and fail, and some know they can just pushing the issue aside and barely, if ever, try, so long as someone is willing to be patient. Of course, needless to say, last year i patiently let her know how i felt (not the first time, but definitely the last straw), got insulted and mocked for it, and proceeded to cut finally cut contact.
He was just as “evil and disturbed” as all the other serial killers, yet he was so different at the same time. I have seen shows about him and the guards, lawyers and reporters all said when talking to him, he seemed so kind and didn’t make them uncomfortable even being as big as he was. Many people even said they couldn’t help but like him even though they knew what he had done. But underneath the nice guy was a raging monster and he could flip in a split second as one reporter found out. She trusted him enough to do her interviews with him alone in a room with just a table between them and the guards posted outside the door. She was telling him how kind he seemed and how surprised she was that he could have done those things ( or something like that) and in a second , he jumped up leaning across the table saying quietly that he could easily twist her head right off before the guards would even know, then he sat back down and the nice guy was back. He did it so fast she didn’t have time to scream and alert the guards if I remember correctly. So yeah the evil was definitely there, he was just so good at hiding it.
This interaction actually happen between Kemper and FBI Agent Robert K Ressler. Ressler hit the panic button, but the police didn't come in. Kemper noticed his anxiety, and said, "If I went ape shit in here, you'd be in a lot of trouble, wouldn't you? I could screw off your head off and place it on the table to greet the guard."
@@Pavlos_Charalambous It wasn't easy. According to Bundy, he wanted to prove to himself that he could have married her if he wanted. Of course, he also wanted to hurt her emotionally, but he never admitted to that.
@@Pavlos_Charalambous that’s pretty much what I thought as well. He probably used his “nice guy” persona to trick his victims, as being such a massive dude would have made it harder for him I would guess.
The 15 yr old Aiko letting him back into the car after he locked himself out made me so profoundly sad that I almost turned the video off. I hope whoever let him out after he murdered his grandparents in cold blood had to sit and listen to how he killed all these others.
My dad had an abusive father and a mother who didn't care. He didn't let himself be like them. He knew it wasn't right and once he met my mam and her parents that loved the kids. He knew he had to stop it. He never hit us. I once asked him why he said I wanted you to have a good life.
The actor who played Kemper in 'Mindhunter' was so effing amazing. That was such an addictive show, I can't believe they didn't continue it after the second season. They were clearly building BTK to what would be a huge crescendo of a case, but then it just drops off .......
Covid fucked that whole show up. I was heavy into it right after the pandemic hit. I looked it up. Apparently they had they season 4 set up but bc of covid and the cease in filming and as a result actors and behind scenes personnel moving onto other projects it made finishing the plans nearly impossible. Imagine 2 more seasons SET UP. Such a shame
@@lovetricia LOL! Wait, are you writing that because Simon said it (and it was hilarious), or are you really asking if Lawrence Fishburne played Kemper? If so that would be pretty hilarious too, and you would agree if you google that name. Mr. Firshburne looks a liiiiiittle bit different from Ed Kemper. 😆
@@seadog2969 Yes I think the audience was supposed to begin liking Kemper, feeling why the investigators were so excited about him as a research subject. He was so cooperative, intelligent and polite compared to the other beasts they were trying to study. This increasing comfortability with Kemper put us in Ford's mind when he goes to see him in the hospital ......and gets the sh scared out of him. My god, when those giant bare feet hit the floor, my heart literally started racing. But I think up to that point I "liked" him even more than the casual viewer might, because I had seen a good amount of footage of the real Kemper talking, and this actor NAILED his mannerisms and speech patterns so flawlessly, I felt something like attraction through sheer awe. It was effing bizarre, and happened all three times I watched the series, LOL.
I was a teen in Santa Cruz in the 90's. Enough time had passed that it was almost like a legend. Our parents and teachers still remembered it so vividly. Santa Cruz was literally known as the murder capital of the world in the 70s. My dad knew Kemper personally. They hung out at some of the same bars. A friend of my dad's that worked at The Jury Room showed up at The Catalyst (another local bar) and was pretty shaken up. He told my dad that he was taking to "Big Ed" (my dad, who was a ginger was called Red Ed) outside the bar and he saw a gun in his trunk and something just didn't seem right. So they called the police and that's how the cops knew about the gun.
Its funny because 'murder capital of the world' quote was actually a misquote. Ahh im so mad i dont have the book with me, but in Ed Kemper: Conversations with a Killer, it talks about where that quote came from but what was really said. Its similar but that wasnt the actual quote and a journalist wrote it down wrong. But it sounded damn good so it became the thing
So what about the story told by Detective Mickey Aluffi who said he was sent to confiscate the gun after an observant officer checking applications for firearm permits saw a conviction for double homicide that was still visible on Kempers juvenile records.
@@thatpickingguy That's the story I've seen Detective Aluffi tell too. The cops couldn't have taken the gun on a tipoff. Kemper had applied for a permit through the correct channels and since he had the gun, he must have had the permit since he had no adult convictions
What sets Ed Kemper apart from every other serial killer in American history is his self awareness. He is as close to Hannibal Lecter as we're ever going to get in the real world.
he's also one of only 3 I know who's an intelligent speaker with numerous insights when he reflects but he was devoid of any of that mercy while he was still free. other 2 are Ted Krazynski or however you spell it & Dahmer. now, why these 3 each wasted their wits, instead opting to lead lives of deplorable acts & gruesome depravity, we'll never fully understand why. because it doesn't necessitate understanding, they're heartless savages with no regard for others
He's also (strangely) extremely likeable and factual. I mean watch Simon squirm when he realises what Ed was talking about at the 36 minute mark... Bottom line is there's a 'serial killer' in all of us... At some stage, Ed Kemper went off on a different tangent...
@@craigmager5360 there's this show out on BBC1 called Inside man with David Tennant and Stanley Tucci. And I ain't seen it yet, but the line I always hear for the trailer/ad/whatever it is, is "we're all murderers. You just have to find the right person."
Most interesting question in the video: "Who broke you, Clarnell?" Given that the conjunction of Ed's psychopathy *and* Clarnell's extraordinarily abusive manner molded Ed into what he was, its a very, very good question.
Two things scare me about Ed Kemper: how well he remembered his murders and how manipulative he was at such a young age. The stuff of nightmares. Mindhunter is an excellent series. Hope there will be a season 2.
And I wonder who he learned from in order to manipulate? Hmmmmm. His mother. He saw that she manipulated others and was rewarded for it. So of course this is what he will do. Because he sees the rewards of doing so. Children look at what the parents do to be successful. If a parent is rewarded for manipulation then they will do that too
There was a season 2 by the way! Released in 2019! Sadly Fincher has confirmed that there won’t be a season 3 though 😢 such a shame, one of the best shows in recent years!
He felt bad because “leaching” was something he wouldn’t tolerate in other people. Also, you are spot on with mental health. My ADHD is not my fault but it is 100% my responsibility. If I don’t take my meds and I miss work or don’t do school assignments, that is my fault, even if it comes from a reason that isn’t my fault. There is obviously a line where society is meant to step in and provide that care when you can’t care for yourself but bipolar disorder, depression, adhd…that is stuff you can generally medicate and/or get therapy for.
Even besides that, I feel that everyone would do a lot better if basic needs like housing and food are always taken care of. I really really struggle with my mental health, and the fact that if I lose my job I'm just fucked doesn't help. There is a country (one of the Scandinavian countries iirc) where every adult gets a base paycheque that is liveable. No matter what. Something like that alleviates so much stress from the entire population.
Well, not everyone has access to mental healthcare (or any healthcare at all; 12 states still reject the Medicaid expansion of Obamacare --I'm poor AF but since I live in Alabama I have to pay all doctor visits and prescriptions out of pocket, including for my ADHD, and if I get cancer I would just simply die). Funny thing is, the same people who refute the need for ANY kind of gun regulations (including red flag laws for people with mental illness) are the same people dismissing America's violence problem as a mental health issue, but NOT wanting to pay for any solutions for THAT.
ayeeeee, ADHD Gang! I agree with y'all; we each 100% know what it's like to struggle with lack of focus or motivation or depression or any other mental ailment, but if we're at least able-minded enough to have responsibilities in the first place, we're also able-minded to take care of our own mental issues, & definitely if we've got treatments & meds. if I may be frank, my Adderall does most of the heavy lifting for my ADHD & my antidepressants calm me to a moderate level. but to clarify: even if I were unmedicated but I noticed a couple issues in my head. I'd still be the main one accountable for how I handle my own workload & private matters
At that time, women in America had VERY limited financial independence. They were legally paid significantly paid less, couldn’t get a credit card without a husband’s approval, and would be treated poorly/looked down upon, thus making it harder to find somewhere to live. She kind of *had* to get married at that time.
It broke my heart to hear about Mary Anne's murder. It's the first time I've cried listening to one of these. He told her to be quiet and she tried so hard to tolerate the pain and fear whilst complying. She wanted to be quiet but admitted she couldn't. What she went through was horrendous and as a mother to a daughter my heart just broke to hear what he did to her.
Idea for your "Not My Crimes" journal: a few pages (in the back?) for suicide hotline numbers/websites survivors of sex abuse, drug & alcohol rehab and other helps for people with problems that you see in many of the stories on the CC series. Also tips for keeping your writers healthy and happy to be chained in the basement. :)
I believe you might be incorrect about his grandmother. I find it fully possible that Ed's father had a mother much like Clarnell, which would explain how he was able to tolerate being with her for so long. His mother was like that so he just took it in stride that his wife would be. People who have had narcissistic parents often had narcissistic spouses or partners, etc.
That's definitely possible, but I don't think we should take Kemper's word for it. Especially since she's a murder victim. With Clarnell we have loads of corroborating testimony. She's innocent until proven guilty in my books.
yeah, right? i`ve seen it myself... It really is an extension of the electra/oedipus complex, where one seeks partners reminiscent of their parents, even if unwittingly and subconsciously... But yeah, i`ve seen way too many marriages between people, where the partners reflected the other`s parent`s characteristics like a mirror... Nothing really new or unknown... Simon really has some spectacular tendencies of being unaware of some widely known concepts... I mean, just recently, he mixed up lye and sulfuric acid... I mean, how long do you have to do a true crime podcast before you learn the difference between acid and basic compounds for corpse disposal... Btw, sorry, i know that i`m 1 year late...
So the bit about his mom having BPD really got my attention. My mom has BPD and a lot of my mental health issues stem from her treatment of me and from my watching her interact with the world. However, just because she is the source of many of my issues doesn’t mean that I am not responsible for myself and my own healing. I do lash out sometimes, I also apologize and try to do better. I do have issues with depression and anxiety that at times hold me back from doing what I would like or being who I would like but I am also a grown ass woman and do my best to improve. I am in the process of distancing myself and my daughter from her so that my daughter is less likely to have my same issues as constant childhood stress leads to a really high number of health and mental issues in adulthood. As Simon always says- Don’t fuck up your kids!
Simon, I've seen alot of documentaries about Kemper, seen alot of the interviews he's done and I must say, you've done a better job giving his victims a voice than any other piece of media I've seen.
This whole episode is just sad. His mother clearly specifically raised him to be a killer to prove her right, she knew he'd kill the grandparents and warned his dad and after he finally snapped and killed, it was handled poorly and they let him out and expunged... This shows just how far from being good society is as a whole and how much we need to improve...
That is an absolutely ridiculous assumption to make based on the information given. His mother was a sociopath who’s hatred of men bred a son with an irrational hatred of women. She didn’t raise a killer she raised a young boy who was groomed to be ashamed of the simple fact he was a boy. He just turned out to be a killer. Why would an insane staunch feminist raise someone for inherent purpose “murdering women”. That makes NO sense
It's horribly sad. I wonder if she stopped to think of the pain her actions would cause so many. I wonder, if Ed had been born to a different situation, a different parent, would he have turned out differently. Would he still be a violent man, who beat his wife or committed petty crimes. Or would he be a shy but ultimately entirely normal boy. If he were not raised a killer, what would he be
He saw her as powerful. As if people that hurt people are powerful. Easy way to pick out a psychopath. They look up to greed and bullying and lack of empathy.
Really enjoying these longer stories. Engages my brain for a decent amount of time and gives more to think about and consider when they're more in-depth
The detective who took seized his gun makes me laugh every time. Describing finding Kemper and asking his 6'9" self to step out of his car and watching him stand up. " He got out of the car, he got out of the car, he got out of the car..."
Edmund Kemper’s mom really is a self fulfilling prophecy, she thought all men were horrible and treated every man around her horribly, causing them to become the monsters she thought they were, especially Ed
Yeah it hit me harder than other episodes too, despite some being worse on paper. He's just really fucked up. I'm glad Simon stopped where he did because I was about to pause it or skip ahead.
@@lracseroom8286I find it funny how someone said "this is what social media is about, sharing opinions" but she's trying to silence the expression of your opinion. Very ironic.
@@justthatgirl-ct4jo "This is what social media is about, sharing opinions" Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean you get to silence my snarky remarks.
I appreciate that when things get to gruesome you skip ahead. As a law enforcement officer I mostly listen to pick up lessons from where other officers did things right or learn where they fell short. I also enjoy your channels in general. I have seen some pretty bad things over the course of my career and appreciate your “more CSI not SAW” rule. It also enjoy the random tangents mostly because I tend to do the same thing.
I looove the super longform episodes from you! The drive to the nearest town is 45 minutes, I love that I can put these on and still have plenty to listen to on the way back without having to pull over and find more vids lol.
As a woman with several severe mental illnesses, including Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD), they don't negate me from personal responsibility for my actions, and consequences of those actions. Now, there are some mental illnesses where a certain degree of personal responsibility is diminished (schizophrenia for example), but in the vast majority of cases our mental illnesses are not an excuse. They may be a reason why we do some things, and they're certainly the reason behind why we suffer, but they're not an excuse. We still have to function in society and accept responsibility for our words, behavior, and actions, just like everyone else. And yes, managing one's mental illness(es) is incredibly hard, can take years, and usually involves therapy and possibly medication(s). It's an uphill battle we must climb continuously vs those who have no mental illnesses.
Thanks for doing this one!❤ He's one of the most interesting. FBI BAU profilers John Douglas and Robert Ressler also thought he was interesting and very helpful with their burgeoning efforts to study serial killers. They both also expressed a kind of 'liking' of him, although they couldn't really say that since he is one of the worst serial killers.
Yeah, it's like he's really good at manipulation and can even manipulate profilers into thinking he's worth something. Like the fact that they appreciate him for helping them understand serial killers just shows how good at manipulation he really is. They should be disgusted when he talks about what he did, but he makes them interested
Poor Aiko 😭 felt this one the most. At 15 I was already an accomplished survivalist having survived years of abuse and neglect, having runaway several times, etc. I'd have grabbed the gun and shot him vs letting him in. But I don't blame her, not one bit. She's terrified, absolutely terrified. And believes if she complies she'll survive. Which is generally the case in a lot of situations. Poor girl 💔
This is, I think, my first ever youtube comment (I'm 25). The name of the "that boy needs therapy" song Simon mentions is "Frontier Psychiatrist" by the Avalanches. Haven't seen anyone else mention it but it's a great song with one of my all time favorite music videos, a real work of interesting quirky art. Great show by the way
Answer to your stats confusion: I listen to you while I am cleaning. It's much less of a hassle when the episode is longer than shorter and I need to take my rubber gloves and dart to the computer less often.
When it was mentioned that Aiko was waiting on the corner of Shattuck and University Ave, I shuddered. I grew up in Berkeley and know exactly where that is. Its weird enough knowing that he was highly active in the Bay where I still live to this day, utterly terrifying to know he was prowling the area I spent most of my time in at the exact age demographic that he was looking for. I hope the families of the victims are doing well today, though unfortunately they're no doubt still living under the shadows this man left in his wake.
Aiko was supposed to be at a dance class in San Francisco. I lived there and she was arranged to spend the week with me,in in my apartment,sleeping in my bedroom with me
I went to high school in Atascadero… there were so many cautionary tales from parents who worked at the “hospital”. The most memorable was that the patients are very convincing, but you need to be on constant vigilance and remember why they’re there. On patient was always so helpful that he’d be allowed to help do maintenance. Always did a good job, nothing scary, until he was trusted enough to be given a hammer for one particular job… which he then used to bash in the head of the custodian he was working with. Many other stories of guards falling in love with inmates with disastrous results.
"Et merde", another 2h long episode to index... 17:00 - Mid roll ads 18:50 - Chapter 1 - Meet the kempers 42:15 - Chapter 2 - The fruits of maternal abuse 59:05 - Chapter 3 - The dangers of a bleeding heart 1:09:40 - Chapter 4 - The urge to kill 1:27:00 - Chapter 5 - Thus spake Kemper 1:38:35 - Chapter 6 - A 15 years old girl 1:44:55 - Chapter 7 - Under mother's window 1:52:55 - Chapter 8 - One hell of a tweak 1:58:55 - Chapter 9 - Leads us not into temptation 2:03:20 - Chapter 10 - Dinner & a movie 2:09:10 - Chapter 11 - A talkative murderer 2:13:45 - Dismembred appendices PS: I have lost my notes today so i might have forgotten some chapter titles...
Fact Boi, since this is the earliest I've ever been, I feel compelled to remind you, Jen, & your cast of writers that your well-beings are what matter more than the numbers behind the videos or the heightened entertainment value that accompanies violent cases, & any time you'd rather record a heist story for an episode of levity, please do so. all of us fans are super grateful for the entertainment, but you don't *owe* us anything. and this episode was likely recorded ages ago, but my point still stands. all the best! :)
And also maybe try to make shorter episodes: i also have to index his *other* videos like Into the Shadows, Decoding the Unknown, Brain Blaze & so on...
So I’ve listened to the first hour of this as a podcast. The video is even better because Jen is amazing and her sense of timing is perfect and Simon’s facial reactions are even better with his inflections.
It's even more eery when you hear him speak...so calm and quiet and...almost...sweet, sounding. The WAY he speaks draw you in...and then you realize what he is saying and it is even more horrifying.
Regarding Mindhunter...it has not been officially cancelled but is rather on "indefinite hiatus". David Fincher decided he wanted to do other things, but hasn't ruled out returning with a third season sometime hence. The actors were all released from their contracts earlier this year; as Fincher thought it unfair that they remained tied to the show while he wandered away. Here's hoping it returns, because it was sheer brilliance. Cameron Britton. What a performance.
I love the epic episodes mate, in the background while I work normally. Also, the long ones tend to be pretty brutal and you become a potty mouth fact boy
Can we request Simon watch Ed Kemper's original interview videos because the acting of the guy who played him on Mindhunter was truly astounding in his accuracy of the way Ed spoke. In fact, I was stunned when I realized it was the same actor in Umbrella Academy because his performance was so absolutely far and away from his role as Ed Kemper that I wouldn't have believed it was the same guy if imdb didn't tell me it was.
I've been to psych wards for ptsd/suicidal ideation. They are very easy to fool when you need to do so. Because they are able to keep you locked up for any reason, which is often because you didn't do EXACTLY what they want you to do (even if it is triggering or you know if will not help you, or the meds you are on make you a zombie half of the day), or because they just feel like flexing their ability to keep you. Some doctors honestly do like the power trip, as well as some nurses. So when you are ready to go, you need to know how to get out. Just watching will show you what each nurse really likes to see, because the power trip nurses have favorites. Controlling doctors have a mental checklist. In those situations, you will see people leaving who are not ready to leave, but have been deemed ready. Playing well with others, being enthusiastic in group, fake journaling if you aren't comfortable with doing it for real, showing up for everything, including every meal, seeming excited to see the doctor but not because you need them, and never keeping them past what time they have allotted you, and most important is probably the language you use as days progress. You have to start with admitting you have a problem openly. You can't get better too drastically, but work in that their stupid exercises helped, vs just having time to breathe because you have a break from the outside world and some meds and support (often the case), and then on the day you want to get out, you can't say that you are TOTALLY cured, just that you are to the point where you are confident you can continue working on yourself in outpatient therapy. Then boom, you're out.* *Disclaimer: This is meant to show why it was so easy for Ed Kemper to fool all of his doctors. DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME. If you decide to apply this to your own life, only use this if you are being kept against your will and you are no longer a danger to yourself or others, and you have found meds that work for you. This is not a suggestion for any issues that are serious, where you will just end up back there again. It isn't worth it if that is the case. It is just an example of how easy it is in places. Mental health is serious and should come before anything else. This plan does not work in the 72 hr hold timeline. It is only for controlling doctors holding you there despite you feeling ready to go. Do not attempt this if doctors are trying to stabilize a medication, as that can lead to VERY serious consequences.
I want to be a psychiatrist so I’m studying this to make sure I never let anyone out who isn’t ready 😂 but I also have PTSD/depression/ADHD so who knows it I’ll need to be hospitalized myself or not.
@@MorganHorse honestly it is the other doctors and nurses you have to look out for the most when it comes to your average person. I had to learn after I was threatened. I said i felt better after the 72 hr requirement (I was put into a bad situation and I needed somewhere safe to be so that other people couldn't hurt me, and I would be safe from myself because of the pressure of the situation at the time). The nurse said that if I went through with the paperwork, I would be denied, and they would keep me even longer vs if I just obeyed them. But there was also a time when people were tossed out because they weren't following the recommendations of the doctor, because they didn't feel comfortable with it (like going back on a medication that they didn't do well on, ect.), or even that they just weren't being as cooperative enough in group therapies, and seen as disruptive (though it was more just being quiet or reluctant to participate or show up). They would beg the doctor to let them stay because they were not stable enough to leave. Not even close. But the doctor would just toss them aside. You are always drugged as fuck when the doctor comes around. You have to hope you remember to ask as much as you can, in what time you get to speak. The nurses are there for the talking part a lot more, but there's a lot of forbidden topics. It is mostly a place to get you drugged and keep you mentally stable for a while. But when you need it, it can truly save and/or change your life. That being said, you will also have the people who try the tricks above. People who get close to staff quick you should look out for. But not always the teacher's pet types. Like I could keep to myself a decent amount of the time, but I knew how to get the nurses to open up to me. So THAT kind of person knows how to work the system, especially if they don't seem eager to really bond too much, but can get people to pour their hearts out. While that is my personality, usually it is paired with me trying to start dialogues with people. In the psych ward, I know that people suddenly feeling comfortable opening up about their trauma is beneficial for everyone, and that is the best place for it to happen. Especially when someone is stuck in the healing process. I've actually helped a lot of people make big leaps in their healing. But it wasn't always intentional lol. But you also won't see someone like me being cold to anyone. I actually do care about the people. Someone who works the system may not, but they will also probably be friendly, but not trying to be friends. I guess, in a weird way, because it is short term, it is similar to how people react when they find out about serial killers. They were nice, friendly, would never expect it. But no one is ever their CLOSE FRIEND. People over interested in every single symptom of something you have diagnosed them with are also people to watch out for. Not for the same reason though. A lot of them will become unpredictable and more symptoms will pop up, since they have an excuse for different behaviors, and the stress of being labelled makes them want to act out. Never, ever, put someone who has a habit of doing weird shit in their sleep in the same room as someone with bad ptsd. Patients who have some internet and smoking privileges, and ideally some outside time, handle/cope with everything a lot better. Explanations over strict I told you so rules are kind of a must. I hope you don't have to go. But if you find yourself in a shitty place, be safe, go in, and take some time for you ❤
You learn very quickly that doctors are pretty full of themselves and more interested in being right than anything else. He just played into the doctors self absorption and told them exactly what they wanted to hear
Sorry I was saying about another CC ep n I just got some pay so I was always wanting to give to the main man. It's not much but I have listened to SW for so long he deserves all the good stuff as does everyone else who writes these and edits amazing videos ❤
Once you hear how his mother treated him, as well as how she treated his father, you almost get why he felt the way he did about her. It's obvious that his mother played a huge roll in how he turned out. So many serial killers are messed up by their mothers, but Kemper's mother was terrible. Even his soft spoken sister noted how horrible their mother was toward him.
And yet the father abandoned Ed to his fate. He didn't take him when they divorced and he sent Ed back to his mother when his new wife didn't like him. Yes, his mother was awful and abusive, but his father obviously didn't care about him either.
@@zarasbazaar Its always like that if you notice. The parents divorce, father most of the time abandon his kids, after he marry new wife. Than the mother who is most of the time depressed/ abusive after divorce, starts punching her kids being violent etc... Its always the kids who gets the problems ...
@@zarasbazaar It wasn't just that his new wife didn't like him. Edmund Jr. finally noticed just how...odd his son was. The quiet staring, pets going missing, that sort of thing. He felt as uncomfortable as his wife did.
@zarasbazaar not going to excuse his dad's part in it, but he was already broken at that point. Maybe he wouldn't have turned out as bad if someone put some effort in, but it was never going to turn out well.
Simon, I know these long episodes a hard on you and thank you for the perseverance, however, I love them, it helps me make it through a 10 hour work day. Thank you from Fort Worth Texas for all your videos(your other RUclips channels as well).
While it is true that not all psychopaths are killers, people still don't like to be seen as having no empathy. I personally used to think I was one as I'm incredibly selfish, and whenever someone I know dies, my immediate reaction is how much it affects MY life, but I still feel sad and cry when I see others in pain. And I know deep down that I could kill someone if I had to (self-defence or to protect my loved ones) but don't want to, and I also know deep down that I'd rather die myself than kill someone innocent (say if was told to kill an innocent person or be killed myself). So I think I have emphay but just don't process it as others do. I am on the autistic spectrum, so maybe it's just that.
I KNEW it was Dr Dave when I saw the timestamp!! I absolutely ADORE when the good Dr serves us an extra long script, lol!! So thanks Dave!!!! We appreciate the hard work! And same to Simon and Jen, I love Jens little additions and of course Simons delivery is spot on!
You'd think that Kemper's mother would've realized just what her son was capable of after he murdered his grandparents and NOT set out to push all of his buttons anymore. Constantly. Shows she wasn't all that bright, if you ask me.
It hits different when you hear how they experienced. It’s so terrifying that someone could have so much disregard for my life. It’s hard to know how to process it
I appreciate that your writers do substantial research and that we get in depth content and thoughtful commentary instead of just a quick run of highlights (or lowlights really ) for 15 mins or so .A case history as complex as this shouldn't be treated as a quick dip topic, so the longer scripts are on point imo .In answer to the prison vrs hospital issue ,I'd say that anyone who cannot stop themselves from killing (or committing other violent/sexual crimes ) should be kept in a secure psychiatric facility for life .Prison is for both punishment and reform ,there seems little point in trying to do either if someone is damaged beyond hope .At that point it must be a question of accepting that they aren't capable of being fully responsible for their actions and will always be dangerous .
I was 100% on your side about calling to report something if it seems suspicious, even if you could easily see it being explainable - until I tried it a couple of times. I live in a rough neighborhood and cops have responded when people have tried to break into my house, but either time I have seen or heard suspicious activity and called to just let someone know, I have been treated like a nuisance and a liar. The phrase, "Ok, so what do you want?" is one I'm no longer surprised by. At this point I really think before deciding whether or not to call on anything. Even if it does eventually sound like it's being taken seriously, it's rare anyone ever actually makes an appearance, even to drive by
Just carry a gun and get to know your neighbors. If you see someone who doesnt belong there, gently confront them and ask "hey buddy, whatcha doin here? Who you come here to see?" I live in a rough area as well and it's pretty normal for new/strange people to be challenged as to what they are there for and who they know
If possible, email the PD instead and keep a copy. If something does happen there will be a written record with accurate details. It's frustrating when trying to work the system shows how broken it can be. Called for an attempted rape after illegal entry and the police didn't even take fingerprints. Still feckin salty about it.
This was a great episode! I thought I'd learned everything there was to know about him, but yet again you've taught me something new! This channel is amazing.
Oh hell yes! I’ve been looking forward to this one for so long. Fun little fact, I’d actually asked about this one when I first started, but David had already called dibs lol. Can’t complain though, the master killed it yet again!
There's always the others who were active at this time & place😅... It seems Herbert Mullins and John Linley Frazier are a bit overshadowed by big boy Ed. As a person who grew up in Santa Cruz, although a generation later than these guys, I am endlessly fascinated by all the evil goings on in the area. Pretty please?🙏🤗✌️ Psst, your scripts are awesome👌
You are much appreciated and talented! Do you ever hear the word "lucky......." when you mention that you work with this team? I know work is work but, seems kind of cool.
@@MGscribe I just finished the vid, and it did cover a tiny bit on H. Mullins but nothing on John Linley Frazier... I think it'd be a great video! You're awesome and all you writers are greatly appreciated!! 👏👏👏
I’ve just discovered this channel and i LOVE it! My nightly ritual is put the kids to bed, get my knitting out and watch an episode 😂 Can’t believe it has taken me this long as I was watching Biographics in 2017. Keep up the awesome work!
I wonder what it is that fascinates me so much about true crime. It is all I watch. I almost never tire of it. What is it that makes us all (or at least myself) so intrigued and interested in listening/watching?
I watch a lot of crime casts. This is the first time I actually feel empathy and sorrow for one of these monsters. I mean, damn his mother was clearly a psychopath as well. Having to go into a completely dark and dank basement at 8 years old every night must have been terrifying. What that does to a baby's psyche must be unbelievable. Obviously I'm not excusing his murders behavior but this has a great deal to do with that.
I don’t get to watch these on RUclips often. Usually I’m listening on Spotify, but I have a rare day off that coincides with you upload so I decided to pop in. Love all of the channels. Simon/beard boy/blaze boy/ keeper of Danny in the basement. Haven’t blazed it in a while but that’s fine bc I’ll binge it all at some point. Keep up the hard work Simon. Love ya forever my guy ❤️ 30:00 as someone who unfortunately shares many traits with someone the likes of Edmund keumper, you’re harping too much on the roommate thing. It didn’t come from a place of empathy but from a place of self loathing. I suffer from chronic depression and anxiety, bipolar disorder 2, some obsessive compulsive tendencies, and have an actual god complex (I believe I control the result of the nhl seasons. I’m a Colorado avalanche fan but have worked for the lightning, when I worked for the lightning they won the presidents trophy, and then were swept in the 1st round, and then subsequently won the next 2 Stanley cups. After I left, the Colorado avalanche won the Stanley cup in my new hometown of tampa bay with me in attendance, I honestly believe that my presence at that arena and the fact I didn’t succeed in killing myself on March 5 2017, made the avalanche win the cup with me in attendance. As proof that not ending it all was the correct decision that night.) He felt he was too smart and capable to not be contributing to the household. When it’s a friend it’s different than your parents. You feel like even more of a leech. I experienced similar feelings shortly after covid shut everything down. I worked for the lightning at the time and as a result was out of a job for quite a while. I had to move back home and had to have a similar conversation with my mom than the one keumper probably would’ve had with his. Fortunately there ARE a few differences in me and him, namely, my mother is an absolute rock star, not a man hating sociopath, I regularly attend a therapist, and I don’t murder people. But I can definitely see where his feelings of self loathing are coming from. Those of us who are smart and capable but don’t have a degree don’t have many long term options and unfortunately when shit happens we have to lean on our folks. If your folks are warped which, I’m certainly positive mine aren’t perfect, but if they’re warped in such a way that it literally effects your mental stability, then it’s a VERY bad recipe. I’m lucky compared to Ed. My parents, both of them, do everything they possibly can to make sure their kids have the most normal, stable upbringing possible. They do everything they possibly can to help me with ALL of my mental conditions. Despite the fact I assuredly make it difficult at points. It’s amazing how a few differences in support can be the difference between a literal serial killer, and the person I look at in the mirror every day.
I’m only 25 minutes in. Sadly, I can relate to this situation with the parents. My dad was a great man that would have looked for me after sundown (and did). My mom was verbally abusive the exact same way to all of us. My mother told me she hated me, blamed me for problems before I was even born. Yelled and screamed EVERY NIGHT for over 15 years at every one. My dad was ex Vietnam war vet on special missions in the Air Force. And also worked as a power systems engineer for the grid. It was only after his passing that we were able to get her help and find out that she was narcissistic, bipolar, partial, schizophrenic unmedicated for over 20 years. And Simon, no, it does not excuse the behavior. it just explains it and makes it easier to live with. eight months after she was finally on the medication, her heart finally gave up and she passed away, knowing that she had to take responsibility for her actions she just simply dropdead one day. I hope this gives some clarity . And yes, I went to therapy for years. I finally did forgive my parents, but it does make it hard to make close relationships as I have to to try not to attract narcissist.
This is the best Ed kemper script I’ve ever heard. It’s been done so many times, I’ve heard it so many times but I’ve learned new stuff I never did on him here. And I watched at least 4 different videos on him, at LEAST
The song Simon mentioned in the beginning is Frontier Psychiatrist by The Avalanches, a wonderfully odd song. Also of note is Death Dance of the Frog Fish.
I'm quite excited to see the 'classic' well-known cases done by this channel. My cousin would love to see you guys do the Heidi Allen case from New York. It was quite a famous case from the 90s in the area where we grew up (in the next city over)
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I can't be the only one here. Lmao Simon. I thought you watched and loved Mindhunter. It cracks me up that you don't remember most of this from the show. Still love you , but the writers must also be perplexed. 💜
Check out the FBI pie chart for murder in the US. Terrifying.
Comment for algorithm 🙂.
I will not admit or deny
In case you're still wondering the song is Frontier Psychiatrist by The Avalanches.
I had a kind of messed up childhood with a shitty father, and my step dad came in, and turned me around completely. I'll never ever be able to thank him enough for that.
I’m sorry you had to go through that and glad to hear your step dad got you out of it
So sorry you had a bad childhood and very happy someone was able to save you from going a bad direction yourself. He must be an amazing man.
Same. I don't call my stepdad "dad" or anything but he has always been far more of a father than my real one.
I really hope you've taken the time to thank him for this. Ideally in person. Honestly, if it were me, I would also write a letter. My dad has passed away, and the maybe two (three?) notes i I received over the years are so precious. Even more are the postcards he wrote to his own mother about how wonderful my mother was.
I’m sorry to hear you had a bad childhood 😢 I’m so glad to hear though, that instead of things going from bad to worst that your *REAL FATHER* came in and did what a *REAL FATHER* does (it just unfortunately took time but it DID happen! ❤❤❤❤
Note: I was afraid I was going to read that something more horrible happened with your stepdad when I got to your second sentence, I’m so relieved that I was wrong!😮😅
He felt bad for leeching off his friend because it made himself look bad and reinforced his low self esteem, not because he empathized with his friend.
I came here to say this. He then chose to go to his mother's home, without permission, wait for her to get home, killed and mutilated her all because he was angry. And the only place to be when he is angry is with her. She did literally become his target of rage multiple times but he had not physically touched her until that last day.
There is no reason for rage unless she is involved. This is why he is a model inmate now and also the reason he doesn't want to be released.
One of my favorite jokes (because Simon mentioned hitch-hikers):
A woman is driving down a desolate highway in the middle of the night. She sees a man with his thumb out and graciously stops. The man puts a small bag in the back seat, climbs in, and then they're off.
"Pretty risky," he laughs, "how do you know I'm not a serial killer?" She smiles and replies:
"The odds of there being *two* serial killers in this car are next to nothing."
I saw that joke in a Korean movie. It was "I saw the devil". I had to laugh.
That will be one wild baby.
I told this joke to a psychologist. It didn't go well
My dad told me that joke a few years ago when we were out canoeing and for the rest of the trip we were dying laughing asking random people if they wanted to get in a canoe with 2 serial killers. We're probably still on FBI watchlists. 😂🤣
Oh I finally have a joke f😢when people say “tell me a joke”! Thank you 🙏
One of my friends was diagnosed with a bunch of personality disorders, and she struggles to have empathy for others. But she tries her hardest to understand others' feelings and not being a horrible person. So when I hear these stories, I agree with you and it's like...it's up to the person to decide the kind of human they become.
i had a friend exactly like that, diagnosed bipolar, lacking empathy, adhd, and the posibility of shizoaffective settling in soon due to genetics. we were friends for 14 years, but she just used me and treated me horribly, then blamed me if she couldn't succeed on her own or make friends at her own workplace, in her own spaces, it was all somehow my fault, even if others weren't subtle at all about how badly she reacted in general or treated them. yet somehow i had, according to her, to be there for her. and i was the only one sticking around taking her BS for all those years.
Some people try to be better and succeed, some try and fail, and some know they can just pushing the issue aside and barely, if ever, try, so long as someone is willing to be patient. Of course, needless to say, last year i patiently let her know how i felt (not the first time, but definitely the last straw), got insulted and mocked for it, and proceeded to cut finally cut contact.
He was just as “evil and disturbed” as all the other serial killers, yet he was so different at the same time. I have seen shows about him and the guards, lawyers and reporters all said when talking to him, he seemed so kind and didn’t make them uncomfortable even being as big as he was. Many people even said they couldn’t help but like him even though they knew what he had done. But underneath the nice guy was a raging monster and he could flip in a split second as one reporter found out. She trusted him enough to do her interviews with him alone in a room with just a table between them and the guards posted outside the door. She was telling him how kind he seemed and how surprised she was that he could have done those things ( or something like that) and in a second , he jumped up leaning across the table saying quietly that he could easily twist her head right off before the guards would even know, then he sat back down and the nice guy was back. He did it so fast she didn’t have time to scream and alert the guards if I remember correctly. So yeah the evil was definitely there, he was just so good at hiding it.
Ed wasn't hiding anything. If asked, he'd give all the bloody details.
This interaction actually happen between Kemper and FBI Agent Robert K Ressler. Ressler hit the panic button, but the police didn't come in. Kemper noticed his anxiety, and said, "If I went ape shit in here, you'd be in a lot of trouble, wouldn't you? I could screw off your head off and place it on the table to greet the guard."
Sounds like he wanted to show her how easy it was for him to do so..
And doctors couldn't see how much of a narcissistic he was 😏
@@Pavlos_Charalambous It wasn't easy. According to Bundy, he wanted to prove to himself that he could have married her if he wanted. Of course, he also wanted to hurt her emotionally, but he never admitted to that.
@@Pavlos_Charalambous that’s pretty much what I thought as well. He probably used his “nice guy” persona to trick his victims, as being such a massive dude would have made it harder for him I would guess.
I like the longer episodes. I can sit, listen and knit/cross stitch/quilt without constantly searching for something else to watch
this haha, very convenient
The 15 yr old Aiko letting him back into the car after he locked himself out made me so profoundly sad that I almost turned the video off. I hope whoever let him out after he murdered his grandparents in cold blood had to sit and listen to how he killed all these others.
I legitimately teared up. That was beyond sad...
And you know she only did it because its the trust a minor has for an adult. She may have been thinking if she was good he wouldn't hurt her....
Thank God I am basically distrustful. Please see my comment
Reminiscent of Beslan when the little girl climbed out of the window, got a drink of water then climbed back inside.
My dad had an abusive father and a mother who didn't care. He didn't let himself be like them. He knew it wasn't right and once he met my mam and her parents that loved the kids. He knew he had to stop it. He never hit us. I once asked him why he said I wanted you to have a good life.
The actor who played Kemper in 'Mindhunter' was so effing amazing. That was such an addictive show, I can't believe they didn't continue it after the second season. They were clearly building BTK to what would be a huge crescendo of a case, but then it just drops off .......
Yes, so true!! You actually begin to like the guy.
Covid fucked that whole show up. I was heavy into it right after the pandemic hit. I looked it up. Apparently they had they season 4 set up but bc of covid and the cease in filming and as a result actors and behind scenes personnel moving onto other projects it made finishing the plans nearly impossible. Imagine 2 more seasons SET UP. Such a shame
Lawrence Fishburn?
@@lovetricia LOL!
Wait, are you writing that because Simon said it (and it was hilarious), or are you really asking if Lawrence Fishburne played Kemper? If so that would be pretty hilarious too, and you would agree if you google that name. Mr. Firshburne looks a liiiiiittle bit different from Ed Kemper. 😆
@@seadog2969 Yes I think the audience was supposed to begin liking Kemper, feeling why the investigators were so excited about him as a research subject. He was so cooperative, intelligent and polite compared to the other beasts they were trying to study. This increasing comfortability with Kemper put us in Ford's mind when he goes to see him in the hospital ......and gets the sh scared out of him. My god, when those giant bare feet hit the floor, my heart literally started racing.
But I think up to that point I "liked" him even more than the casual viewer might, because I had seen a good amount of footage of the real Kemper talking, and this actor NAILED his mannerisms and speech patterns so flawlessly, I felt something like attraction through sheer awe. It was effing bizarre, and happened all three times I watched the series, LOL.
I was a teen in Santa Cruz in the 90's. Enough time had passed that it was almost like a legend. Our parents and teachers still remembered it so vividly. Santa Cruz was literally known as the murder capital of the world in the 70s. My dad knew Kemper personally. They hung out at some of the same bars. A friend of my dad's that worked at The Jury Room showed up at The Catalyst (another local bar) and was pretty shaken up. He told my dad that he was taking to "Big Ed" (my dad, who was a ginger was called Red Ed) outside the bar and he saw a gun in his trunk and something just didn't seem right. So they called the police and that's how the cops knew about the gun.
Its funny because 'murder capital of the world' quote was actually a misquote. Ahh im so mad i dont have the book with me, but in Ed Kemper: Conversations with a Killer, it talks about where that quote came from but what was really said. Its similar but that wasnt the actual quote and a journalist wrote it down wrong. But it sounded damn good so it became the thing
That contradicts the story of the routine firearms inquiry performed by Mickey Aluffi..
So what about the story told by Detective Mickey Aluffi who said he was sent to confiscate the gun after an observant officer checking applications for firearm permits saw a conviction for double homicide that was still visible on Kempers juvenile records.
@@thatpickingguy That's the story I've seen Detective Aluffi tell too. The cops couldn't have taken the gun on a tipoff. Kemper had applied for a permit through the correct channels and since he had the gun, he must have had the permit since he had no adult convictions
@@winkle69 Exactly, that's why I think the story is a load of crap
What sets Ed Kemper apart from every other serial killer in American history is his self awareness. He is as close to Hannibal Lecter as we're ever going to get in the real world.
Well, who knows? They may be out there, just not caught (yet, we hope)
michael ross had similar self-awareness.
he's also one of only 3 I know who's an intelligent speaker with numerous insights when he reflects but he was devoid of any of that mercy while he was still free. other 2 are Ted Krazynski or however you spell it & Dahmer. now, why these 3 each wasted their wits, instead opting to lead lives of deplorable acts & gruesome depravity, we'll never fully understand why. because it doesn't necessitate understanding, they're heartless savages with no regard for others
He's also (strangely) extremely likeable and factual. I mean watch Simon squirm when he realises what Ed was talking about at the 36 minute mark... Bottom line is there's a 'serial killer' in all of us... At some stage, Ed Kemper went off on a different tangent...
@@craigmager5360 there's this show out on BBC1 called Inside man with David Tennant and Stanley Tucci. And I ain't seen it yet, but the line I always hear for the trailer/ad/whatever it is, is "we're all murderers. You just have to find the right person."
Most interesting question in the video: "Who broke you, Clarnell?"
Given that the conjunction of Ed's psychopathy *and* Clarnell's extraordinarily abusive manner molded Ed into what he was, its a very, very good question.
Her father
I will admit that I like long episodes. They're always so well-researched and good for listening to at work.
I am a master sculptor and artist and love them when I'm sitting still for long hours
Plaster not master
@@TinaBUTCHER-ph1ph im a masterdebater
Two things scare me about Ed Kemper: how well he remembered his murders and how manipulative he was at such a young age. The stuff of nightmares. Mindhunter is an excellent series. Hope there will be a season 2.
And I wonder who he learned from in order to manipulate? Hmmmmm. His mother.
He saw that she manipulated others and was rewarded for it. So of course this is what he will do. Because he sees the rewards of doing so.
Children look at what the parents do to be successful. If a parent is rewarded for manipulation then they will do that too
There was a season 2 by the way! Released in 2019! Sadly Fincher has confirmed that there won’t be a season 3 though 😢 such a shame, one of the best shows in recent years!
He felt bad because “leaching” was something he wouldn’t tolerate in other people.
Also, you are spot on with mental health. My ADHD is not my fault but it is 100% my responsibility. If I don’t take my meds and I miss work or don’t do school assignments, that is my fault, even if it comes from a reason that isn’t my fault.
There is obviously a line where society is meant to step in and provide that care when you can’t care for yourself but bipolar disorder, depression, adhd…that is stuff you can generally medicate and/or get therapy for.
Even besides that, I feel that everyone would do a lot better if basic needs like housing and food are always taken care of. I really really struggle with my mental health, and the fact that if I lose my job I'm just fucked doesn't help.
There is a country (one of the Scandinavian countries iirc) where every adult gets a base paycheque that is liveable. No matter what. Something like that alleviates so much stress from the entire population.
Well, not everyone has access to mental healthcare (or any healthcare at all; 12 states still reject the Medicaid expansion of Obamacare --I'm poor AF but since I live in Alabama I have to pay all doctor visits and prescriptions out of pocket, including for my ADHD, and if I get cancer I would just simply die). Funny thing is, the same people who refute the need for ANY kind of gun regulations (including red flag laws for people with mental illness) are the same people dismissing America's violence problem as a mental health issue, but NOT wanting to pay for any solutions for THAT.
ayeeeee, ADHD Gang! I agree with y'all; we each 100% know what it's like to struggle with lack of focus or motivation or depression or any other mental ailment, but if we're at least able-minded enough to have responsibilities in the first place, we're also able-minded to take care of our own mental issues, & definitely if we've got treatments & meds. if I may be frank, my Adderall does most of the heavy lifting for my ADHD & my antidepressants calm me to a moderate level. but to clarify: even if I were unmedicated but I noticed a couple issues in my head. I'd still be the main one accountable for how I handle my own workload & private matters
Relax u got adhd, nothing comparable big guy
@@batfurs3001 what country are you thinking of?
At that time, women in America had VERY limited financial independence. They were legally paid significantly paid less, couldn’t get a credit card without a husband’s approval, and would be treated poorly/looked down upon, thus making it harder to find somewhere to live. She kind of *had* to get married at that time.
"I'm in a marriage. I'm pretty sure I had to ASK!"
😂😂😂💜 BRILLIANT! And true. Very true.
It broke my heart to hear about Mary Anne's murder. It's the first time I've cried listening to one of these. He told her to be quiet and she tried so hard to tolerate the pain and fear whilst complying. She wanted to be quiet but admitted she couldn't. What she went through was horrendous and as a mother to a daughter my heart just broke to hear what he did to her.
Idea for your "Not My Crimes" journal: a few pages (in the back?) for suicide hotline numbers/websites survivors of sex abuse, drug & alcohol rehab and other helps for people with problems that you see in many of the stories on the CC series. Also tips for keeping your writers healthy and happy to be chained in the basement. :)
This is actually an incredible idea. Especially after this episode, good grief 😔
can we get more likes and comments on this so the algorithm pushes it
That's a great idea. I hope our Fact Boi sees this comment.
Be a big list to have all numbers for each country selling to
@@sarahpolkinghorne7060
perhaps a website name or two that have all of the countries’ helpline numbers indexed?
I believe you might be incorrect about his grandmother. I find it fully possible that Ed's father had a mother much like Clarnell, which would explain how he was able to tolerate being with her for so long. His mother was like that so he just took it in stride that his wife would be. People who have had narcissistic parents often had narcissistic spouses or partners, etc.
That's definitely possible, but I don't think we should take Kemper's word for it. Especially since she's a murder victim. With Clarnell we have loads of corroborating testimony. She's innocent until proven guilty in my books.
yeah, right? i`ve seen it myself... It really is an extension of the electra/oedipus complex, where one seeks partners reminiscent of their parents, even if unwittingly and subconsciously... But yeah, i`ve seen way too many marriages between people, where the partners reflected the other`s parent`s characteristics like a mirror... Nothing really new or unknown... Simon really has some spectacular tendencies of being unaware of some widely known concepts... I mean, just recently, he mixed up lye and sulfuric acid... I mean, how long do you have to do a true crime podcast before you learn the difference between acid and basic compounds for corpse disposal... Btw, sorry, i know that i`m 1 year late...
Simon needs another channel where he specifically analyzes and reads a script on "MOTHERS OF SERIAL KILLERS"😂😂
I second this
Yes!!!
Maybe we could start with a Mother's Day special episode?
Look don’t give Simon anymore ideas….I struggle enough keeping up with his 27 channels and 84 uploads of 2 hour videos daily 🤣🤣🤣
Yes , Simon make one please.
So the bit about his mom having BPD really got my attention. My mom has BPD and a lot of my mental health issues stem from her treatment of me and from my watching her interact with the world. However, just because she is the source of many of my issues doesn’t mean that I am not responsible for myself and my own healing. I do lash out sometimes, I also apologize and try to do better. I do have issues with depression and anxiety that at times hold me back from doing what I would like or being who I would like but I am also a grown ass woman and do my best to improve. I am in the process of distancing myself and my daughter from her so that my daughter is less likely to have my same issues as constant childhood stress leads to a really high number of health and mental issues in adulthood.
As Simon always says- Don’t fuck up your kids!
Big long episodes are what true crime fans want so they really break the mold from normal RUclips videos as to what works.
Simon, I've seen alot of documentaries about Kemper, seen alot of the interviews he's done and I must say, you've done a better job giving his victims a voice than any other piece of media I've seen.
This whole episode is just sad. His mother clearly specifically raised him to be a killer to prove her right, she knew he'd kill the grandparents and warned his dad and after he finally snapped and killed, it was handled poorly and they let him out and expunged...
This shows just how far from being good society is as a whole and how much we need to improve...
That is an absolutely ridiculous assumption to make based on the information given. His mother was a sociopath who’s hatred of men bred a son with an irrational hatred of women. She didn’t raise a killer she raised a young boy who was groomed to be ashamed of the simple fact he was a boy. He just turned out to be a killer. Why would an insane staunch feminist raise someone for inherent purpose “murdering women”. That makes NO sense
Well it was the society of half a century ago, kind of hard to compare to now.
@@audreymuzingo933 Yeah we improved since then true but there's still a lot to improve unfortunately.
It's horribly sad. I wonder if she stopped to think of the pain her actions would cause so many. I wonder, if Ed had been born to a different situation, a different parent, would he have turned out differently. Would he still be a violent man, who beat his wife or committed petty crimes. Or would he be a shy but ultimately entirely normal boy.
If he were not raised a killer, what would he be
He saw her as powerful. As if people that hurt people are powerful. Easy way to pick out a psychopath. They look up to greed and bullying and lack of empathy.
Really enjoying these longer stories. Engages my brain for a decent amount of time and gives more to think about and consider when they're more in-depth
The detective who took seized his gun makes me laugh every time. Describing finding Kemper and asking his 6'9" self to step out of his car and watching him stand up.
" He got out of the car, he got out of the car, he got out of the car..."
Edmund Kemper’s mom really is a self fulfilling prophecy, she thought all men were horrible and treated every man around her horribly, causing them to become the monsters she thought they were, especially Ed
And what bothers me is since she fully believed that then why in the hell did she marry a man and had a child with him to even begin with?!
This one actually made me quite angry. Those poor girls, that monstrous mother, that soulless husk of a man known as the Co-Ed killer.
Yeah it hit me harder than other episodes too, despite some being worse on paper. He's just really fucked up. I'm glad Simon stopped where he did because I was about to pause it or skip ahead.
Are you a psychopath?
Kemper wasn't mild mannered, he was emotionally repressed. Which was why his crimes were so violent and brutal.
That’s always the case unfortunately
thanks Dr. Random Internet Nobody.
@@lracseroom8286Oh shut up. This is what social media is about. People share their thoughts and opinions.
@@lracseroom8286I find it funny how someone said "this is what social media is about, sharing opinions" but she's trying to silence the expression of your opinion.
Very ironic.
@@justthatgirl-ct4jo
"This is what social media is about, sharing opinions"
Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean you get to silence my snarky remarks.
"what were we talking about?... Oh yeah, molestation" i burst out laughing. The sheer absurdity
I appreciate that when things get to gruesome you skip ahead. As a law enforcement officer I mostly listen to pick up lessons from where other officers did things right or learn where they fell short. I also enjoy your channels in general. I have seen some pretty bad things over the course of my career and appreciate your “more CSI not SAW” rule. It also enjoy the random tangents mostly because I tend to do the same thing.
reading this gives me (a known ACAB believer) hopeful in the future of Real Protection. keep fighting the good fight in a bad system
I looove the super longform episodes from you! The drive to the nearest town is 45 minutes, I love that I can put these on and still have plenty to listen to on the way back without having to pull over and find more vids lol.
It must be hard having all your victims that far away, but I bet the seclusion makes disposal easier. Silver linings!
Thank you for these longer episodes! Helps keep my (ADHD) brain busy while I sew, craft, clean, etc. ❤
"She was 6 feet or 183cm tall with her head attached" 🤣
Caught that, did ya?
@@docdavidbaker yup, laughed out loud, I love dark humor. Great script, but one of those ones I can only listen to once, can't handle animal abuse.
As a woman with several severe mental illnesses, including Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD), they don't negate me from personal responsibility for my actions, and consequences of those actions.
Now, there are some mental illnesses where a certain degree of personal responsibility is diminished (schizophrenia for example), but in the vast majority of cases our mental illnesses are not an excuse. They may be a reason why we do some things, and they're certainly the reason behind why we suffer, but they're not an excuse. We still have to function in society and accept responsibility for our words, behavior, and actions, just like everyone else.
And yes, managing one's mental illness(es) is incredibly hard, can take years, and usually involves therapy and possibly medication(s). It's an uphill battle we must climb continuously vs those who have no mental illnesses.
Thanks for doing this one!❤
He's one of the most interesting. FBI BAU profilers John Douglas and Robert Ressler also thought he was interesting and very helpful with their burgeoning efforts to study serial killers. They both also expressed a kind of 'liking' of him, although they couldn't really say that since he is one of the worst serial killers.
I was thinking that
Yeah, it's like he's really good at manipulation and can even manipulate profilers into thinking he's worth something. Like the fact that they appreciate him for helping them understand serial killers just shows how good at manipulation he really is. They should be disgusted when he talks about what he did, but he makes them interested
"Liking" piss off.
Poor Aiko 😭 felt this one the most.
At 15 I was already an accomplished survivalist having survived years of abuse and neglect, having runaway several times, etc. I'd have grabbed the gun and shot him vs letting him in. But I don't blame her, not one bit.
She's terrified, absolutely terrified. And believes if she complies she'll survive. Which is generally the case in a lot of situations.
Poor girl 💔
Aiko and I were so tiny..Aiko was bigger than me, but trusting. I was utterly distrustful
Highly, highly recommend the show Mindhunter. One of the main characters, gets a hug from Kemper, a gigantic man. He freaks out, which is reasonable.
This is, I think, my first ever youtube comment (I'm 25). The name of the "that boy needs therapy" song Simon mentions is "Frontier Psychiatrist" by the Avalanches. Haven't seen anyone else mention it but it's a great song with one of my all time favorite music videos, a real work of interesting quirky art. Great show by the way
that is totally the song he is referring to. It's a banger and one of my favorite songs.
Answer to your stats confusion: I listen to you while I am cleaning. It's much less of a hassle when the episode is longer than shorter and I need to take my rubber gloves and dart to the computer less often.
I came across his channels while working on my wedding dress. That dress has true crime stitched into every piece of lace on it
I listen while doing housework as well! It keeps my weird ADHD brain entertained while doing otherwise boring and bothersome tasks.
When it was mentioned that Aiko was waiting on the corner of Shattuck and University Ave, I shuddered. I grew up in Berkeley and know exactly where that is. Its weird enough knowing that he was highly active in the Bay where I still live to this day, utterly terrifying to know he was prowling the area I spent most of my time in at the exact age demographic that he was looking for. I hope the families of the victims are doing well today, though unfortunately they're no doubt still living under the shadows this man left in his wake.
Aiko was supposed to be at a dance class in San Francisco. I lived there and she was arranged to spend the week with me,in in my apartment,sleeping in my bedroom with me
Love it how the guy who played Ed Kemper was a kindergarten teacher 👍
Cameron Britton was a WHAT?!
As a mom, my child's teacher being an actor in Mindhunter playing KEMPER no less would amuse me endlessly.
I can’t state how uncanny that casting is. He made himself look and *sound* exactly like Kemper.
But he fit the bill SO WELL lol. It was scary accurate.
I think you are 100% correct in talking about ownership in relation to mental health problems/disorders
Simon the amount of times I’ve heard mention of athletic green, magic spoon, and hello fresh on the channel, you’ve definitely been a salesman.
6:33 Simon, that song is "Frontier Psychiatrist" by The Avalances and it's one of my FAVORITES
Yes came to say this great song, I miss the era of that kind of mashup genre
I went to high school in Atascadero… there were so many cautionary tales from parents who worked at the “hospital”.
The most memorable was that the patients are very convincing, but you need to be on constant vigilance and remember why they’re there. On patient was always so helpful that he’d be allowed to help do maintenance. Always did a good job, nothing scary, until he was trusted enough to be given a hammer for one particular job… which he then used to bash in the head of the custodian he was working with.
Many other stories of guards falling in love with inmates with disastrous results.
Wow this was something else. Great episode Simom and David. This was intense.
"Et merde", another 2h long episode to index...
17:00 - Mid roll ads
18:50 - Chapter 1 - Meet the kempers
42:15 - Chapter 2 - The fruits of maternal abuse
59:05 - Chapter 3 - The dangers of a bleeding heart
1:09:40 - Chapter 4 - The urge to kill
1:27:00 - Chapter 5 - Thus spake Kemper
1:38:35 - Chapter 6 - A 15 years old girl
1:44:55 - Chapter 7 - Under mother's window
1:52:55 - Chapter 8 - One hell of a tweak
1:58:55 - Chapter 9 - Leads us not into temptation
2:03:20 - Chapter 10 - Dinner & a movie
2:09:10 - Chapter 11 - A talkative murderer
2:13:45 - Dismembred appendices
PS: I have lost my notes today so i might have forgotten some chapter titles...
Legend
Thank you
Legend.
This was a rough one. Simon, I really hope you and the writers are taking care of yourselves after writing and reading these 1.5+ hour episodes.
Fact Boi, since this is the earliest I've ever been, I feel compelled to remind you, Jen, & your cast of writers that your well-beings are what matter more than the numbers behind the videos or the heightened entertainment value that accompanies violent cases, & any time you'd rather record a heist story for an episode of levity, please do so. all of us fans are super grateful for the entertainment, but you don't *owe* us anything. and this episode was likely recorded ages ago, but my point still stands. all the best! :)
And also maybe try to make shorter episodes: i also have to index his *other* videos like Into the Shadows, Decoding the Unknown, Brain Blaze & so on...
I agree
@@ignitionfrn2223 I’m personally a fan of the longer episodes
@@benjaylehman You ain't the one who does the chapter headings...
@@ignitionfrn2223 you’re very right
So I’ve listened to the first hour of this as a podcast. The video is even better because Jen is amazing and her sense of timing is perfect and Simon’s facial reactions are even better with his inflections.
It's even more eery when you hear him speak...so calm and quiet and...almost...sweet, sounding. The WAY he speaks draw you in...and then you realize what he is saying and it is even more horrifying.
Regarding Mindhunter...it has not been officially cancelled but is rather on "indefinite hiatus". David Fincher decided he wanted to do other things, but hasn't ruled out returning with a third season sometime hence. The actors were all released from their contracts earlier this year; as Fincher thought it unfair that they remained tied to the show while he wandered away. Here's hoping it returns, because it was sheer brilliance.
Cameron Britton. What a performance.
I love the epic episodes mate, in the background while I work normally.
Also, the long ones tend to be pretty brutal and you become a potty mouth fact boy
Always appreciate the deep-dive and research you do. Thank you again.
Simon - I like to fall asleep while listening to your channel - you have a very relaxing voice! So longer videos are better.
You're not alone! My husband knows not to bother me when he hears Simon.
Can we request Simon watch Ed Kemper's original interview videos because the acting of the guy who played him on Mindhunter was truly astounding in his accuracy of the way Ed spoke. In fact, I was stunned when I realized it was the same actor in Umbrella Academy because his performance was so absolutely far and away from his role as Ed Kemper that I wouldn't have believed it was the same guy if imdb didn't tell me it was.
I've been to psych wards for ptsd/suicidal ideation. They are very easy to fool when you need to do so. Because they are able to keep you locked up for any reason, which is often because you didn't do EXACTLY what they want you to do (even if it is triggering or you know if will not help you, or the meds you are on make you a zombie half of the day), or because they just feel like flexing their ability to keep you. Some doctors honestly do like the power trip, as well as some nurses. So when you are ready to go, you need to know how to get out.
Just watching will show you what each nurse really likes to see, because the power trip nurses have favorites. Controlling doctors have a mental checklist. In those situations, you will see people leaving who are not ready to leave, but have been deemed ready. Playing well with others, being enthusiastic in group, fake journaling if you aren't comfortable with doing it for real, showing up for everything, including every meal, seeming excited to see the doctor but not because you need them, and never keeping them past what time they have allotted you, and most important is probably the language you use as days progress. You have to start with admitting you have a problem openly. You can't get better too drastically, but work in that their stupid exercises helped, vs just having time to breathe because you have a break from the outside world and some meds and support (often the case), and then on the day you want to get out, you can't say that you are TOTALLY cured, just that you are to the point where you are confident you can continue working on yourself in outpatient therapy. Then boom, you're out.*
*Disclaimer: This is meant to show why it was so easy for Ed Kemper to fool all of his doctors. DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME. If you decide to apply this to your own life, only use this if you are being kept against your will and you are no longer a danger to yourself or others, and you have found meds that work for you. This is not a suggestion for any issues that are serious, where you will just end up back there again. It isn't worth it if that is the case. It is just an example of how easy it is in places. Mental health is serious and should come before anything else. This plan does not work in the 72 hr hold timeline. It is only for controlling doctors holding you there despite you feeling ready to go. Do not attempt this if doctors are trying to stabilize a medication, as that can lead to VERY serious consequences.
I want to be a psychiatrist so I’m studying this to make sure I never let anyone out who isn’t ready 😂 but I also have PTSD/depression/ADHD so who knows it I’ll need to be hospitalized myself or not.
@@MorganHorse honestly it is the other doctors and nurses you have to look out for the most when it comes to your average person. I had to learn after I was threatened. I said i felt better after the 72 hr requirement (I was put into a bad situation and I needed somewhere safe to be so that other people couldn't hurt me, and I would be safe from myself because of the pressure of the situation at the time). The nurse said that if I went through with the paperwork, I would be denied, and they would keep me even longer vs if I just obeyed them.
But there was also a time when people were tossed out because they weren't following the recommendations of the doctor, because they didn't feel comfortable with it (like going back on a medication that they didn't do well on, ect.), or even that they just weren't being as cooperative enough in group therapies, and seen as disruptive (though it was more just being quiet or reluctant to participate or show up). They would beg the doctor to let them stay because they were not stable enough to leave. Not even close. But the doctor would just toss them aside.
You are always drugged as fuck when the doctor comes around. You have to hope you remember to ask as much as you can, in what time you get to speak. The nurses are there for the talking part a lot more, but there's a lot of forbidden topics. It is mostly a place to get you drugged and keep you mentally stable for a while. But when you need it, it can truly save and/or change your life.
That being said, you will also have the people who try the tricks above. People who get close to staff quick you should look out for. But not always the teacher's pet types. Like I could keep to myself a decent amount of the time, but I knew how to get the nurses to open up to me. So THAT kind of person knows how to work the system, especially if they don't seem eager to really bond too much, but can get people to pour their hearts out. While that is my personality, usually it is paired with me trying to start dialogues with people. In the psych ward, I know that people suddenly feeling comfortable opening up about their trauma is beneficial for everyone, and that is the best place for it to happen. Especially when someone is stuck in the healing process. I've actually helped a lot of people make big leaps in their healing. But it wasn't always intentional lol. But you also won't see someone like me being cold to anyone. I actually do care about the people. Someone who works the system may not, but they will also probably be friendly, but not trying to be friends.
I guess, in a weird way, because it is short term, it is similar to how people react when they find out about serial killers. They were nice, friendly, would never expect it. But no one is ever their CLOSE FRIEND.
People over interested in every single symptom of something you have diagnosed them with are also people to watch out for. Not for the same reason though. A lot of them will become unpredictable and more symptoms will pop up, since they have an excuse for different behaviors, and the stress of being labelled makes them want to act out.
Never, ever, put someone who has a habit of doing weird shit in their sleep in the same room as someone with bad ptsd.
Patients who have some internet and smoking privileges, and ideally some outside time, handle/cope with everything a lot better. Explanations over strict I told you so rules are kind of a must.
I hope you don't have to go. But if you find yourself in a shitty place, be safe, go in, and take some time for you ❤
You learn very quickly that doctors are pretty full of themselves and more interested in being right than anything else. He just played into the doctors self absorption and told them exactly what they wanted to hear
@@shaymorcormick8743 I promise not to be that kind
That’s Exactly how I got out!! Straight up lying. Any half intelligent person can do it!
Thanks
Sorry I was saying about another CC ep n I just got some pay so I was always wanting to give to the main man. It's not much but I have listened to SW for so long he deserves all the good stuff as does everyone else who writes these and edits amazing videos ❤
Had to spontaneously come to Mexico for a family funeral and these long vids are a great way to spend a part of our 10 hour drive!!!
Glad you enjoyed it
"Simon is an unusual suspect." The editing is on point, as always. 😆
Once you hear how his mother treated him, as well as how she treated his father, you almost get why he felt the way he did about her. It's obvious that his mother played a huge roll in how he turned out. So many serial killers are messed up by their mothers, but Kemper's mother was terrible. Even his soft spoken sister noted how horrible their mother was toward him.
And yet the father abandoned Ed to his fate. He didn't take him when they divorced and he sent Ed back to his mother when his new wife didn't like him. Yes, his mother was awful and abusive, but his father obviously didn't care about him either.
@@zarasbazaar Its always like that if you notice. The parents divorce, father most of the time abandon his kids, after he marry new wife.
Than the mother who is most of the time depressed/ abusive after divorce, starts punching her kids being violent etc... Its always the kids who gets the problems ...
@@zarasbazaar It wasn't just that his new wife didn't like him. Edmund Jr. finally noticed just how...odd his son was. The quiet staring, pets going missing, that sort of thing. He felt as uncomfortable as his wife did.
@zarasbazaar not going to excuse his dad's part in it, but he was already broken at that point. Maybe he wouldn't have turned out as bad if someone put some effort in, but it was never going to turn out well.
The dads don't do much good, either....
Usually, I'm used to true crime, but this one was rough. That was beyond horrific.
Simon, I know these long episodes a hard on you and thank you for the perseverance, however, I love them, it helps me make it through a 10 hour work day. Thank you from Fort Worth Texas for all your videos(your other RUclips channels as well).
I love that Simon has the decorum to occasionally say "that's enough of that, I'm not reading that aloud".
Simon you simply have the BEST writers in your coterie, and your presentation of their work is super entertaining - thanks to all:)
Good use of "coterie", hope one of the writers see it bcuz I'd love to hear Simon mispronounce it.
@@andiward7068 Lmao :XD
@@FebrithDarkstari feel like thats a word a psychopath would use
39:20 the fact that Simon is so adamant about not wanting to be a psychopath just goes to show how much stigma is still around the term.
While it is true that not all psychopaths are killers, people still don't like to be seen as having no empathy. I personally used to think I was one as I'm incredibly selfish, and whenever someone I know dies, my immediate reaction is how much it affects MY life, but I still feel sad and cry when I see others in pain. And I know deep down that I could kill someone if I had to (self-defence or to protect my loved ones) but don't want to, and I also know deep down that I'd rather die myself than kill someone innocent (say if was told to kill an innocent person or be killed myself). So I think I have emphay but just don't process it as others do. I am on the autistic spectrum, so maybe it's just that.
I KNEW it was Dr Dave when I saw the timestamp!! I absolutely ADORE when the good Dr serves us an extra long script, lol!! So thanks Dave!!!! We appreciate the hard work! And same to Simon and Jen, I love Jens little additions and of course Simons delivery is spot on!
You'd think that Kemper's mother would've realized just what her son was capable of after he murdered his grandparents and NOT set out to push all of his buttons anymore. Constantly. Shows she wasn't all that bright, if you ask me.
It hits different when you hear how they experienced. It’s so terrifying that someone could have so much disregard for my life. It’s hard to know how to process it
wow. this one took several days for me to finish. not because of length but because of content. i hope these readings don't give you nightmares Simon.
You are amazing Simon!! Such sympathy and empathy and humour for such incredible brutality and horror. You cover all the bases!
I appreciate that your writers do substantial research and that we get in depth content and thoughtful commentary instead of just a quick run of highlights (or lowlights really ) for 15 mins or so .A case history as complex as this shouldn't be treated as a quick dip topic, so the longer scripts are on point imo .In answer to the prison vrs hospital issue ,I'd say that anyone who cannot stop themselves from killing (or committing other violent/sexual crimes ) should be kept in a secure psychiatric facility for life .Prison is for both punishment and reform ,there seems little point in trying to do either if someone is damaged beyond hope .At that point it must be a question of accepting that they aren't capable of being fully responsible for their actions and will always be dangerous .
I've been waiting so long for you guys to cover this, thanks Simon and Co. And I personally love the longer vids! Keep it up guys!!!💯👌🍻
I really enjoy the longer ones too
Simon & Co. I like that!!!!!
@@piperjaycie Simon and Co. from the Whistlerverse 😂 🍻
This is one of the best channels on youtube! the casual talk about these horrible events makes it all seem so mundane and Erie
I was 100% on your side about calling to report something if it seems suspicious, even if you could easily see it being explainable - until I tried it a couple of times. I live in a rough neighborhood and cops have responded when people have tried to break into my house, but either time I have seen or heard suspicious activity and called to just let someone know, I have been treated like a nuisance and a liar. The phrase, "Ok, so what do you want?" is one I'm no longer surprised by. At this point I really think before deciding whether or not to call on anything. Even if it does eventually sound like it's being taken seriously, it's rare anyone ever actually makes an appearance, even to drive by
Just carry a gun and get to know your neighbors. If you see someone who doesnt belong there, gently confront them and ask "hey buddy, whatcha doin here? Who you come here to see?"
I live in a rough area as well and it's pretty normal for new/strange people to be challenged as to what they are there for and who they know
Cops in a rural area I lived in as a kid basically wouldn't come out unless something bad already happen. Don't ever relay on them
If possible, email the PD instead and keep a copy. If something does happen there will be a written record with accurate details. It's frustrating when trying to work the system shows how broken it can be. Called for an attempted rape after illegal entry and the police didn't even take fingerprints. Still feckin salty about it.
This was a great episode! I thought I'd learned everything there was to know about him, but yet again you've taught me something new! This channel is amazing.
Oh hell yes! I’ve been looking forward to this one for so long. Fun little fact, I’d actually asked about this one when I first started, but David had already called dibs lol. Can’t complain though, the master killed it yet again!
There's always the others who were active at this time & place😅... It seems Herbert Mullins and John Linley Frazier are a bit overshadowed by big boy Ed. As a person who grew up in Santa Cruz, although a generation later than these guys, I am endlessly fascinated by all the evil goings on in the area. Pretty please?🙏🤗✌️
Psst, your scripts are awesome👌
You are much appreciated and talented!
Do you ever hear the word "lucky......." when you mention that you work with this team?
I know work is work but, seems kind of cool.
@@laurabustos6560 added to the list! And thanks!
@@michaelpipkin9942 it’s been the coolest thing in the world honestly, and trust me, I feel very lucky 😊
@@MGscribe I just finished the vid, and it did cover a tiny bit on H. Mullins but nothing on John Linley Frazier... I think it'd be a great video! You're awesome and all you writers are greatly appreciated!! 👏👏👏
I’ve just discovered this channel and i LOVE it!
My nightly ritual is put the kids to bed, get my knitting out and watch an episode 😂
Can’t believe it has taken me this long as I was watching Biographics in 2017. Keep up the awesome work!
I wonder what it is that fascinates me so much about true crime. It is all I watch. I almost never tire of it.
What is it that makes us all (or at least myself) so intrigued and interested in listening/watching?
Wow Simon you killed this one! I love your commentary on this one 😁
I watch a lot of crime casts. This is the first time I actually feel empathy and sorrow for one of these monsters. I mean, damn his mother was clearly a psychopath as well. Having to go into a completely dark and dank basement at 8 years old every night must have been terrifying. What that does to a baby's psyche must be unbelievable. Obviously I'm not excusing his murders behavior but this has a great deal to do with that.
I love the way you tell these stories. Ed Kemper is a different kind of serial killer.
I don’t get to watch these on RUclips often. Usually I’m listening on Spotify, but I have a rare day off that coincides with you upload so I decided to pop in. Love all of the channels. Simon/beard boy/blaze boy/ keeper of Danny in the basement. Haven’t blazed it in a while but that’s fine bc I’ll binge it all at some point. Keep up the hard work Simon. Love ya forever my guy ❤️
30:00 as someone who unfortunately shares many traits with someone the likes of Edmund keumper, you’re harping too much on the roommate thing. It didn’t come from a place of empathy but from a place of self loathing. I suffer from chronic depression and anxiety, bipolar disorder 2, some obsessive compulsive tendencies, and have an actual god complex (I believe I control the result of the nhl seasons. I’m a Colorado avalanche fan but have worked for the lightning, when I worked for the lightning they won the presidents trophy, and then were swept in the 1st round, and then subsequently won the next 2 Stanley cups. After I left, the Colorado avalanche won the Stanley cup in my new hometown of tampa bay with me in attendance, I honestly believe that my presence at that arena and the fact I didn’t succeed in killing myself on March 5 2017, made the avalanche win the cup with me in attendance. As proof that not ending it all was the correct decision that night.) He felt he was too smart and capable to not be contributing to the household. When it’s a friend it’s different than your parents. You feel like even more of a leech. I experienced similar feelings shortly after covid shut everything down. I worked for the lightning at the time and as a result was out of a job for quite a while. I had to move back home and had to have a similar conversation with my mom than the one keumper probably would’ve had with his. Fortunately there ARE a few differences in me and him, namely, my mother is an absolute rock star, not a man hating sociopath, I regularly attend a therapist, and I don’t murder people. But I can definitely see where his feelings of self loathing are coming from. Those of us who are smart and capable but don’t have a degree don’t have many long term options and unfortunately when shit happens we have to lean on our folks. If your folks are warped which, I’m certainly positive mine aren’t perfect, but if they’re warped in such a way that it literally effects your mental stability, then it’s a VERY bad recipe.
I’m lucky compared to Ed. My parents, both of them, do everything they possibly can to make sure their kids have the most normal, stable upbringing possible. They do everything they possibly can to help me with ALL of my mental conditions. Despite the fact I assuredly make it difficult at points. It’s amazing how a few differences in support can be the difference between a literal serial killer, and the person I look at in the mirror every day.
I love the long episodes! Great for listening while I putter around the apartment doing chores. 🙂
I’m only 25 minutes in. Sadly, I can relate to this situation with the parents. My dad was a great man that would have looked for me after sundown (and did). My mom was verbally abusive the exact same way to all of us. My mother told me she hated me, blamed me for problems before I was even born. Yelled and screamed EVERY NIGHT for over 15 years at every one. My dad was ex Vietnam war vet on special missions in the Air Force. And also worked as a power systems engineer for the grid.
It was only after his passing that we were able to get her help and find out that she was narcissistic, bipolar, partial, schizophrenic unmedicated for over 20 years. And Simon, no, it does not excuse the behavior. it just explains it and makes it easier to live with. eight months after she was finally on the medication, her heart finally gave up and she passed away, knowing that she had to take responsibility for her actions she just simply dropdead one day.
I hope this gives some clarity .
And yes, I went to therapy for years. I finally did forgive my parents, but it does make it hard to make close relationships as I have to to try not to attract narcissist.
Loving these extra long ones!
I was wondering when CC would get to this creep! He's one of the top three serial killers that scares the hell out of me.
Those words... "Just... in case."
That's haunting.
Keep the beast episodes coming. By far the best thing on RUclips.
This is the best Ed kemper script I’ve ever heard. It’s been done so many times, I’ve heard it so many times but I’ve learned new stuff I never did on him here. And I watched at least 4 different videos on him, at LEAST
I've seen a lot of Ed Kemper stuff, and this is the best. Because of course it is.
That was brutal. It was one of those where I found myself at time sympathetic and at others enraged. Brilliant writing, editing and narration.
I've been hoping you would cover this case!!!!!! Thank you!
The song Simon mentioned in the beginning is Frontier Psychiatrist by The Avalanches, a wonderfully odd song. Also of note is Death Dance of the Frog Fish.
I'm quite excited to see the 'classic' well-known cases done by this channel. My cousin would love to see you guys do the Heidi Allen case from New York. It was quite a famous case from the 90s in the area where we grew up (in the next city over)
When they said loan him a gun they meant his supervisor let him borrow one. A store can't loan you a gun lol
Love these looong videos, perfect to listen to while I work ☺️