Still, very expensive. IF you have the money, i guess I could see getting this, but it's really going to hit you in the wallet. A 10.6" G500TXi display, alone, is $18,000+. Now, if you have a Baron or a Cessna Twin, the EIS is going to cost you about the same, so $36,000 for two displays. Add another $18,000 for a third display for the co-pilot's side, or, if you just want a 7" display for backup, or the co-pilot, that's only $16,000. Dynon HDX does it all for a lot less money. Plus, in either case, you're going to be adding a Navigator, either a Garmin GTN if not using an already installed GNS, or the Avidyne IFD. Now, I don't have an airplane, and I'm probably not getting one any time soon, but, if I was looking at a Baron B55, for under $150,000, with old avionics, i.e., no Navigators, quite honestly, I'd be installing the Dynon HDX 10.6" screen, the D100 backup display, an HDX 7" display for the EIS, and two Avidyne IFD 440's, and using the IFD100 app. Total cost is going to be less than half of the installed cost of the Garmin displays. I've been waiting for Garmin to come out with this, expected it to come from the G3X Touch (which it kind of does), but also expected it to be a LOT less money. Dynon also offers built in autopilot, built in ADS-B In/Out transponder, and built in VFR GPS system as part of the HDX package. Garmin is shooting for the newer, more expensive airplanes that have steam gauges, but I think they're shooting themselves in the foot.
A new G500TXi with the dedicated PFD controller is $18.499 on Garmin's website. Yes, the G500TXi is $16,000 without the controller. Either way, expect the cost to go up from there based on the installation costs. Personally, I'd like the PFD controller so I wouldn't need to be reaching around the yoke or yoke mounted GPS/iPad all the time. The 7" co-pilot display also comes with the PFD controller, as well as the backup battery for slightly more than $16,000.
Yes Scott, it is. If you look through the clickable options under the price, it'll say New Install, or Upgrade, 10.6" display or 7", Backup Battery (not available for the 10.6" display) and then PFD controller below. You can see the controller on the G600TXi page, here: buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/p/612863/pn/TXi-0G600-04#
One wonder where all this "in real time" data come from? I mean do this have like an iridium sat link? or how is all the data received? and if it have a sat link.. what is the monthly price for service! Yeah they say is only 16K ... but that in reality isn't all correct??
I can read a lot of the comments...saying folks don't like the touch screen...it's very clear that Garmin is NOT listening...count how many times this Garmin rep says you can still use the 'physical knobs' if you don't want to use the touch screen. This is pure BS because there are only two knobs!! The non-touch G1000 has more than two knobs, right? So how can you operate this one with only two knobs 'if you don't want to use the touch screen'? You can't.
Was Larry under the weather? I think every AvWeb video I’ve seen with Garmin and Jessica Koss has had Larry Anglasano. Always like all of the details she has yet keeps it at enough of a high level for short video.
Lot of avionics companies just don't understand that pilots don't want an iPad sort of interface. At least I know a lot of pilots that hate these touch screen interfaces and even more hate the fingerprints that they leave behind. I mean the tech looks cool and simple, but they are just not as useable in real life situations I'd say. I really hope that Garmin will listen and give us some alternatives in the future to all these touch screens. I want soft button keypads and buttons along the display like in the G1000. There is nothing wrong with buttons. That's why many of us got into flying in the first place!
Kaipeternicolas You got into flying because of buttons? Lol I love my GTN750 and all the features it has. The touch screen is one of my favorite things. It makes it so simple to use. You may not like it, but I'm sure Garmin and other companies do market research before they invest millions of dollars into a product like this. If no one wanted it, they wouldn't make it.
sometimesifly_ yes. I got interested in flying because buttons always fascinated me since I am a little kid. Hence I started flying when I was 12 and got my license when I was 17. I love to control complex machinery. As I said, from my hours in the cockpit with both touch screens and G1000s, I've always had a preference for the G1000. I don't think Garmin does market research asking if pilots want touch screens. I think they just think because their GTN750 sells great (obviously, it's a great product), that customers love touch screens. I think in 5-10 years we will get some more buttons again because people are going to complain about it. A GTN750 is a very different thing than having a full flight deck without buttons btw.
Kaipeternicolas That's an interesting reason to get into flying. It always amazes me to hear the different reasons people love aviation. I realize it isn't the same as a full flight deck. However, I've never regretted having a touchscreen personally. I don't find it difficult to use and I can't remember any times I've put in the wrong inputs or frequencies because of turbulence. I put the wrong frequencies in all the time because of dyslexic. That's another problem though. Lol. I personally think I'd love an all touchscreen flight deck. They are insanely overpriced in my opinion though.
I absolutely hate this touch screen interface... I am a tech guy and love the G1000. But all these touch screen interfaces now even with the iOs zoom functionality are not the way to go in my opinion. It also makes the whole interaction with the aircraft look like a toy in front of passengers. Apart from that there are problems with fingerprints and hitting the right buttons in turbulence. I can't even imaging how annoying a digital autopilot interface like this might be. There is no way I would even consider this.
I have the GTN-750 and would say the touch screen is highly functional for me. The only time I have issues is in turbulence, but even then there is a raised bezel around the screen that you can hang onto with your other fingers. Once you do that turbulence is not an issue. When I go back to the GNS-430/530 in friends' aircrafts I feel like all the knob turning really slows me down.
G1000 is very nice....until you get to fly a gtn or g3000. I have a 750 and 650 and have been resisting pulling out my stream gauges until the g500 was updated. This may make me finally go all glass this year. Touch has only one downside it can be a pain in turbulence. But with the knobs any function can be accomplished it just takes practice
A touch screen 750 is a nice add-on to a steam gauge cockpit, but anything more than that (touch screen operated) is definitely not for me. I hate clicking through sub-menus to find what I am trying to get. Even the A/C is Garmin controlled in the G3000 by clicking through sub-menus.
So, how can finding the altitude and touching it, typing in the desired altitude and then pressing Enter be easier than twisting a dedicated knob? I just don't get it.
Yes you have to option but the problem is the physical inputs are just there is a backup and therefore it's not intuitive at all. There is no designated HDG bug, ALT bug, Radio bug etc. That's the problem.
I think Dynon is going to give Garmin a real run for it's money once they get Skyview HDX on an AML. Total cost for a two-screen display is far less than Garmin's G500TXi two-screen display is. Plus, you can also integrate transponder, autopilot, etc., in the Dynon, features which are not included in the G500/600TXis. In fact, right now, my dream airplane would be a Baron B55. Fast, comfortable, able to seat four (I'm single) and the IO-470s are fuel efficient and still will get you 190 knots. Plus, they're inexpensive (relatively speaking) to acquire. Many don't even have upgraded avionics. So, if I could afford a B55, I would be looking at the Dynon Skyview HDX certified system. The Baron B58 is one of the two STC aircraft, so converting to the B55 shouldn't be an issue. A 10.6" touchscreen display, but with eight dedicated buttons, and two sets of knobs. A 7" display for the Engine Instrument System and back up display. Transponder, Autopilot, backup ADAHRS, and other stuff. Here's the pricing for the 172. "The cost of the equipment in the initial C172 is approximately $16,000 (excluding labor and STC document). This complete SkyView HDX system includes Primary Flight Instruments, Engine Monitoring, Autopilot, Mode S Transponder with 2020-compliant ADS-B Out, Mapping with Flight Planning, ADS-B In Traffic and Weather, Battery Backup, and more. It also includes redundant flight instruments via a Dynon EFIS-D10A. The initial C172 STC will be priced at $2000." It also has a built in VFR GPS for flight plannine, but you'll need external GPS units for IFR, but you do for the G500TXi as well. Here's a really great video that shows the Dynon Skyview HDX architecture. ruclips.net/video/LGoloXOCBJk/видео.html The problem is that as of right now, neither of the two STCs, either for the Baron or the 172, are available. But, they are coming! Dynon, together with the EAA, got an STC for their D10A and D100 flight displays, and they are building on that with this STC for a full system. It's going to cost far less than Garmin, and Dynon is a proven manufacturer, offering systems to homebuilders for years.
There is an option for a dedicated PFD controller, so the heading, altitude, vsi, ias, and baro can all be set using dedicated knobs. In my PA31, I have it mounted on the pedestal below the throttles, very easy to reach. Setting using the touchscreen isn't any harder, just different. (I know this comment is three years old, this is for everyone new reading)
Its 1.4 inches wider than the old g500 unit, and about .7 inch higher. I was surprised as well, since I planned on a g500 replacing just the 6 pack space. And they freaking discontinued the old g500! However, it fits, bigger is (they say) always better, and the old g500 "bar" that split the screen was fake in any case. It was one screen with a plastic bar covering the center.
So just to expand on this a bit, I suspect garmins thinking on making it bigger (a bit bigger) was that with such a large panel, you were going to relayout the panel in any case, not just drop it into the 6 pack slots. In my case, they are correct. I have been waiting to be able to afford the g500 before I relaid out the panel and went to a metal facing. Having said that, I don't know why Garmin thought that slight expansion was necessary.
I'm pretty much a Garmin fan. I got my 172N back 20 years ago with ancient avionics and a Loran (!) and looked around at the new GPS units. The GNS 430 was way expensive (at that time) and I looked at other units, all black and white (everything but the 430 was single color back then). I just kept looking at the slick 430 brochure and finally realized I just had to have that. I have been a Garmin follower ever since then. I added a 340 audio panel, a 330 Transponder, then upgraded the 430 to 430w and the transponder to 330ES. Garmin is not the cheapest certainly, but I feel they have really taken care of me with backward compatibility and cross connections between their units. I recently upgraded with a ADS-B UAT tranceiver, and now have TIS/FIS, even on my old dusty 430. About the only thing that is an issue between me and Garmin is that their new autopilots leave me without an upgrade path, since the g500 GFC500 combination is not STCed for 172, but I hope they will rectify that. I am glad their are other, cheaper options available. Me, I am doing this upgrade and it will probably be my last. At 60 years old, my warranty ran out quite a while ago, and my main hope is to keep flying into retirement, running IFR though northern California, Oregon and Washington. I'm pretty happy with the avonics upgrades I have seen. I went from steam gauges through GPS with moving maps and GPSS coupled AP approaches, and now full glass and even SVT. I expect the situational awareness after this will be amazing.
At that price point might as well check for a g1000 installation. G3X touch certified and dynon are better alternatives...and I say this although I love Garmin
@@DylanClements98 Wow haha thanks for the reply! Three years down the road I’m now multi-crew turbine rated on an aircraft that has a dinosaur for a gps wishing we had this tech in the aircraft I fly! Cheers
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To be clear...the EIS display is 7 inch only, not landscape only. Which is what she meant, but not what she said or what was shown
Still, very expensive. IF you have the money, i guess I could see getting this, but it's really going to hit you in the wallet. A 10.6" G500TXi display, alone, is $18,000+. Now, if you have a Baron or a Cessna Twin, the EIS is going to cost you about the same, so $36,000 for two displays. Add another $18,000 for a third display for the co-pilot's side, or, if you just want a 7" display for backup, or the co-pilot, that's only $16,000.
Dynon HDX does it all for a lot less money. Plus, in either case, you're going to be adding a Navigator, either a Garmin GTN if not using an already installed GNS, or the Avidyne IFD.
Now, I don't have an airplane, and I'm probably not getting one any time soon, but, if I was looking at a Baron B55, for under $150,000, with old avionics, i.e., no Navigators, quite honestly, I'd be installing the Dynon HDX 10.6" screen, the D100 backup display, an HDX 7" display for the EIS, and two Avidyne IFD 440's, and using the IFD100 app. Total cost is going to be less than half of the installed cost of the Garmin displays.
I've been waiting for Garmin to come out with this, expected it to come from the G3X Touch (which it kind of does), but also expected it to be a LOT less money. Dynon also offers built in autopilot, built in ADS-B In/Out transponder, and built in VFR GPS system as part of the HDX package.
Garmin is shooting for the newer, more expensive airplanes that have steam gauges, but I think they're shooting themselves in the foot.
No, the g500 txi is $15,999, same price as the old g500.
A new G500TXi with the dedicated PFD controller is $18.499 on Garmin's website. Yes, the G500TXi is $16,000 without the controller. Either way, expect the cost to go up from there based on the installation costs. Personally, I'd like the PFD controller so I wouldn't need to be reaching around the yoke or yoke mounted GPS/iPad all the time. The 7" co-pilot display also comes with the PFD controller, as well as the backup battery for slightly more than $16,000.
Humm, ok, the page doesn't give much detail on that. What is it, a separate panel mount with buttons and knobs?
Yes Scott, it is. If you look through the clickable options under the price, it'll say New Install, or Upgrade, 10.6" display or 7", Backup Battery (not available for the 10.6" display) and then PFD controller below. You can see the controller on the G600TXi page, here: buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/p/612863/pn/TXi-0G600-04#
Two months out for delivery not cool.
One wonder where all this "in real time" data come from? I mean do this have like an iridium sat link? or how is all the data received? and if it have a sat link.. what is the monthly price for service! Yeah they say is only 16K ... but that in reality isn't all correct??
TIS and FIS data from ADS-B link, which you are going to be required to have anyways to fly mode C after 2020.
I can read a lot of the comments...saying folks don't like the touch screen...it's very clear that Garmin is NOT listening...count how many times this Garmin rep says you can still use the 'physical knobs' if you don't want to use the touch screen. This is pure BS because there are only two knobs!! The non-touch G1000 has more than two knobs, right? So how can you operate this one with only two knobs 'if you don't want to use the touch screen'? You can't.
Do say anything about unlock keys.
Was Larry under the weather? I think every AvWeb video I’ve seen with Garmin and Jessica Koss has had Larry Anglasano. Always like all of the details she has yet keeps it at enough of a high level for short video.
i wouldn't want a touch screen pfd or mfd but i would look into touchscreen fms that talk and programs the mfd and pfd(with a qwerty keyboard)
Lot of avionics companies just don't understand that pilots don't want an iPad sort of interface. At least I know a lot of pilots that hate these touch screen interfaces and even more hate the fingerprints that they leave behind. I mean the tech looks cool and simple, but they are just not as useable in real life situations I'd say. I really hope that Garmin will listen and give us some alternatives in the future to all these touch screens. I want soft button keypads and buttons along the display like in the G1000. There is nothing wrong with buttons. That's why many of us got into flying in the first place!
Kaipeternicolas You got into flying because of buttons? Lol
I love my GTN750 and all the features it has. The touch screen is one of my favorite things. It makes it so simple to use. You may not like it, but I'm sure Garmin and other companies do market research before they invest millions of dollars into a product like this. If no one wanted it, they wouldn't make it.
sometimesifly_ yes. I got interested in flying because buttons always fascinated me since I am a little kid. Hence I started flying when I was 12 and got my license when I was 17. I love to control complex machinery. As I said, from my hours in the cockpit with both touch screens and G1000s, I've always had a preference for the G1000. I don't think Garmin does market research asking if pilots want touch screens. I think they just think because their GTN750 sells great (obviously, it's a great product), that customers love touch screens. I think in 5-10 years we will get some more buttons again because people are going to complain about it. A GTN750 is a very different thing than having a full flight deck without buttons btw.
Kaipeternicolas That's an interesting reason to get into flying. It always amazes me to hear the different reasons people love aviation.
I realize it isn't the same as a full flight deck. However, I've never regretted having a touchscreen personally. I don't find it difficult to use and I can't remember any times I've put in the wrong inputs or frequencies because of turbulence. I put the wrong frequencies in all the time because of dyslexic. That's another problem though. Lol. I personally think I'd love an all touchscreen flight deck.
They are insanely overpriced in my opinion though.
I'm with +kaipeternicolas on this one. Luckily I'll be done flying by the time Airbus has a complete touch screen interface.
Kaipeternicolas There is a option for dedicated control knobs separate from the touch screen.
Not impressed.
I absolutely hate this touch screen interface... I am a tech guy and love the G1000. But all these touch screen interfaces now even with the iOs zoom functionality are not the way to go in my opinion. It also makes the whole interaction with the aircraft look like a toy in front of passengers. Apart from that there are problems with fingerprints and hitting the right buttons in turbulence. I can't even imaging how annoying a digital autopilot interface like this might be. There is no way I would even consider this.
I have the GTN-750 and would say the touch screen is highly functional for me. The only time I have issues is in turbulence, but even then there is a raised bezel around the screen that you can hang onto with your other fingers. Once you do that turbulence is not an issue. When I go back to the GNS-430/530 in friends' aircrafts I feel like all the knob turning really slows me down.
G1000 is very nice....until you get to fly a gtn or g3000. I have a 750 and 650 and have been resisting pulling out my stream gauges until the g500 was updated. This may make me finally go all glass this year. Touch has only one downside it can be a pain in turbulence. But with the knobs any function can be accomplished it just takes practice
A touch screen 750 is a nice add-on to a steam gauge cockpit, but anything more than that (touch screen operated) is definitely not for me. I hate clicking through sub-menus to find what I am trying to get. Even the A/C is Garmin controlled in the G3000 by clicking through sub-menus.
They have optional controller for this touchpanel. It is the size of Dynons intercom module. But it costs 2k+ which is outrageous.
So, how can finding the altitude and touching it, typing in the desired altitude and then pressing Enter be easier than twisting a dedicated knob? I just don't get it.
Couldn't agree more. I hate this touch first concept so much. It complicates things and they don't get it.
Watch the video . They give you both methods to do this.
Yes you have to option but the problem is the physical inputs are just there is a backup and therefore it's not intuitive at all. There is no designated HDG bug, ALT bug, Radio bug etc. That's the problem.
I think Dynon is going to give Garmin a real run for it's money once they get Skyview HDX on an AML. Total cost for a two-screen display is far less than Garmin's G500TXi two-screen display is. Plus, you can also integrate transponder, autopilot, etc., in the Dynon, features which are not included in the G500/600TXis.
In fact, right now, my dream airplane would be a Baron B55. Fast, comfortable, able to seat four (I'm single) and the IO-470s are fuel efficient and still will get you 190 knots. Plus, they're inexpensive (relatively speaking) to acquire. Many don't even have upgraded avionics.
So, if I could afford a B55, I would be looking at the Dynon Skyview HDX certified system. The Baron B58 is one of the two STC aircraft, so converting to the B55 shouldn't be an issue.
A 10.6" touchscreen display, but with eight dedicated buttons, and two sets of knobs. A 7" display for the Engine Instrument System and back up display. Transponder, Autopilot, backup ADAHRS, and other stuff. Here's the pricing for the 172.
"The cost of the equipment in the initial C172 is approximately $16,000 (excluding labor and STC document). This complete SkyView HDX system includes Primary Flight Instruments, Engine Monitoring, Autopilot, Mode S Transponder with 2020-compliant ADS-B Out, Mapping with Flight Planning, ADS-B In Traffic and Weather, Battery Backup, and more. It also includes redundant flight instruments via a Dynon EFIS-D10A. The initial C172 STC will be priced at $2000." It also has a built in VFR GPS for flight plannine, but you'll need external GPS units for IFR, but you do for the G500TXi as well.
Here's a really great video that shows the Dynon Skyview HDX architecture.
ruclips.net/video/LGoloXOCBJk/видео.html
The problem is that as of right now, neither of the two STCs, either for the Baron or the 172, are available. But, they are coming! Dynon, together with the EAA, got an STC for their D10A and D100 flight displays, and they are building on that with this STC for a full system. It's going to cost far less than Garmin, and Dynon is a proven manufacturer, offering systems to homebuilders for years.
There is an option for a dedicated PFD controller, so the heading, altitude, vsi, ias, and baro can all be set using dedicated knobs. In my PA31, I have it mounted on the pedestal below the throttles, very easy to reach.
Setting using the touchscreen isn't any harder, just different.
(I know this comment is three years old, this is for everyone new reading)
Bezel is too wide...panel space is limited.
Its 1.4 inches wider than the old g500 unit, and about .7 inch higher. I was surprised as well, since I planned on a g500 replacing just the 6 pack space. And they freaking discontinued the old g500! However, it fits, bigger is (they say) always better, and the old g500 "bar" that split the screen was fake in any case. It was one screen with a plastic bar covering the center.
That's interesting...I didn't know it was a single screen.
So just to expand on this a bit, I suspect garmins thinking on making it bigger (a bit bigger) was that with such a large panel, you were going to relayout the panel in any case, not just drop it into the 6 pack slots. In my case, they are correct. I have been waiting to be able to afford the g500 before I relaid out the panel and went to a metal facing.
Having said that, I don't know why Garmin thought that slight expansion was necessary.
Might be worth you time and savings to take a look at Dynon SkyView.
I'm pretty much a Garmin fan. I got my 172N back 20 years ago with ancient avionics and a Loran (!) and looked around at the new GPS units. The GNS 430 was way expensive (at that time) and I looked at other units, all black and white (everything but the 430 was single color back then). I just kept looking at the slick 430 brochure and finally realized I just had to have that.
I have been a Garmin follower ever since then. I added a 340 audio panel, a 330 Transponder, then upgraded the 430 to 430w and the transponder to 330ES. Garmin is not the cheapest certainly, but I feel they have really taken care of me with backward compatibility and cross connections between their units. I recently upgraded with a ADS-B UAT tranceiver, and now have TIS/FIS, even on my old dusty 430. About the only thing that is an issue between me and Garmin is that their new autopilots leave me without an upgrade path, since the g500 GFC500 combination is not STCed for 172, but I hope they will rectify that.
I am glad their are other, cheaper options available. Me, I am doing this upgrade and it will probably be my last. At 60 years old, my warranty ran out quite a while ago, and my main hope is to keep flying into retirement, running IFR though northern California, Oregon and Washington.
I'm pretty happy with the avonics upgrades I have seen. I went from steam gauges through GPS with moving maps and GPSS coupled AP approaches, and now full glass and even SVT. I expect the situational awareness after this will be amazing.
the ONLY thing i would want from this is the minimap on the pfd although i can just fly track up on the mfd and have the track up inset on the g1000
At that price point might as well check for a g1000 installation. G3X touch certified and dynon are better alternatives...and I say this although I love Garmin
I want a touchpad, not a touchscreen!!!!!
To me it seems like it will be investing 16k+ to make your life harder. Then again I have never had any experience with this tech.
@@DylanClements98 Wow haha thanks for the reply! Three years down the road I’m now multi-crew turbine rated on an aircraft that has a dinosaur for a gps wishing we had this tech in the aircraft I fly! Cheers
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