Hey, you want to be a detractor? A troll? You want to be one of those people that just doesn't get it? Want to stir up some drama? Go ahead, do that... but you won't do it here. Get lost. Take that nonsense to some other channel, and don't come back... because no one will ever see your comments on this channel. There's nothing for you here. You're vapor. You don't even exist here. None of my target audience likes you or thinks like you think. So you're gone, and you don't even get a say in it.
Yep you are correct. I have only been reloading a few months but I noticed problem with powder bounce from the start and it's much worse with ball powder.
This is why I still use my Ohaus beam scales. I have a few electronic scales, but the accuracy of beam scales are better and more reliable. IMO. Great content, I really like the methodical way you come at problems. Thanks for all the knowledge you're providing.
Very, very, Interesting! A couple of questions... do you need to do any kind (or how much) of maintenance on the Prometheus like cleaning, dusting, whatever?... and is it/can it be EASILY damaged? The reason I ask is that if the answers are positive then maybe it might make sense for me to might to pick up a used unit if one becomes available. Thanks again Greg.
I suck up the kernels on the floor of the prometheus periodically and re-lube the lift arm bar and cylinder drag magnet every 5,000 to 10,000 cycles. That's all I've done in the 8'ish years I've had it. It's got some very small delicate parts on it, but generally you don't have to handle any of them with the exception of first time setup. If used correctly, it is not easily damaged. The main thing is making sure that if you aren't using it, you use the transfer bar to lift the knife edges of the balance beam up off the pivot. You'll almost never find a used unit. People don't sell them. Basically ever. Probably 99% of the machines out there can not be legally sold. Only the ones purchased in the last few years can be sold. All the others were leased, rather than bought. Obviously I own mine, and I recommend everyone else buys theirs as well rather than lease it.
Thanks for the testing results. Even with my A&D FX and efforts to shield from air currents this is consistent with my experience. There are many times I find a few kernels on the reloading block that should not be there. No matter how carefully you transfer the cup a few do in fact get away. It was not as impactful with 40 grains of H4350, but more of an issue loading smaller charges of Varget for .223 for sure. That Prometheus is an amazingly well engineered machine for the purpose.
My A&D scale doesn’t move around like demonstrated here. I do love the Prometheus and will hopefully be able to purchase one someday. The ease of loading directly into the case would be amazing!
This is an honest question. Have you ever done a back to back test with something around 55 grains, testing a 55 grain load compared to 55.1 grains? I know that exact has to be better, but is it even noticeable?
How funny. I've been struggling with consistency for a while now. I hated that I could never really trust any of my digital scales. I knew from my electronics background how inconsistency could happen, but I chose to believe that brighter minds than myself had figured that out by now, this isn't infant technology after all. I recently switched back to my old balance beam scale, and guess what.... my load consistency suddenly improved. I certainly won't go in debt for this scale, but I now have a new goal in life!!
It's also worth noting (at 27:45) you double tap the funnel after dropping the charge. This is something you, I, and anyone else using the Prometheus don't even think about. We do it to ensure the charge isn't hung up in the funnel which can happen more often than I would like. Some of the newer funnel designs have geometry to minimize this fault of powder funnels, and this is an area where the Prometheus could be improved.
Agreed. However, I don't really have that issue with anything but .20cal and under. (.20cal in the video) When dumping the bulk charge, if you just slow up a tiny bit, it reduces bridging significantly. I swapped my factory prometheus funnels with one of those new anti-bridging funnels you mentioned... but because I couldn't see the charge through the funnel, it would be a big mess when they bridged. Despite them being designed to NOT bridge, they still do every once in a while. Then you have a big mess! hehe.
I never considered rogue kernels flying around my reloading table. I'm going to have to watch for that during my next reload. I use an RCBS Uniflow 3 and an RCBS 5-10 balance beam scale. I have an old iPhone camera zoomed at the pointer to see when I'm dead on. I can see the movement of each kernel of H4350 from my trickler. Sometimes I'm just under and adding one kernel gets me too high. Unfortunately Prometheus is beyond what I'm willing to spend for dispensing powder in this hobby.
I lay down a few paper towels where I reload and even with the FX scale system, Area 419 funnel, I still find a few kernels on the paper at the end of the loading session.
Brother....I don't own a Prometheus and sure wish I did. NO ONE could dispute that this is the most comprehensively accurate and best solution for throwing measures. It's just not possible. David Tubb was using one way back in the day and no one could touch his medals.
Copy that Brian... I'd love a Prometheus, it's just not in the cards for me right now. I'll have to live within my means, within the tenth of a grain + scale drift. Just like what I drive is not a Ferrari or a lambo. I'll have to live with my pickup for now.
@primalrights. Brother thank you for the video I just got off the phone with Brand Cole and I am pulling the trigger. Thank you again always great info.
You produce great content you have had me reconsidering reloading practices @ 4:24 to 5:17 experienced this with Rich Sherman of Sherman wildcat cartridges… buyer beware when it comes to his brass and published velocities
Can anyone share what the Prometheus is selling for? Their website doesn’t post pricing. I saw a thread these were $3K back in 2012, so am guessing they are $5-6K+ now.
Buy once cry once isn't in the cards for everyone, especially with the crazy inflation these days. Im saving for an amp annealer and giraud trimmer. Maybe a Prometheus or auto trickler one day. Till then the chargmaster and frustration are the only things in my future 😅. Ball powder everywhere 🤣
What I'd like to see is the actual difference between one or two kernels per powder charge. I understand the difference would be less noticeable in a larger case,that being said if some testing on 223 size cases to prove the difference would be very interesting.
Finally, a voice of reason in a world of madness. Digital scales drift... FACT. I have an RCBS Chargemaster 1500 that I use... to weigh my trickle up charges. Now, I can't afford a Promethius, so I'm constrained to my RCBS beam scale, but I can see it move with the addition of a single kernel of extruded powder. Most people, including my father who originally taught me reloading when I was a kid in 1974, think those digital scales are just fine and trying to convince them otherwise is an exercise in futility. I'm firmly in your court with this rant.
I load 338LM on it just like I load any other cartridge on it. I swap my trickler plate to large size to accommodate Retumbo, set my bulk charge, primary poise, secondary poise... and go to charging cases. I think the newer RCBS uniflow that's used might not allow for the big stuff though. If memory serves, the new uniflow can only run up to 80 or 90 gr's. Mine has the older uniflow and can run up to 100gr's weight. Your Prometheus from 10yrs ago should do the same.
@@primalrights The Uniflow on my Prometheus maxes out at ~82.5 grains. JR's Promo which I have run beside mine will only go to 79 grains. I think the newer Uniflow III will go to 95 grains, but I don't know if it is used on the latest Prometheus units. The answer is you set it for a 1/2 charge and throw twice to load large cases. The 375 Chey is a good example of a case well outside the range of the Prometheus. It's a great tool for precision reloaders, but it's not a perfect tool. Like everything else you have to understand the nuances in order to maximize it's potential.
@@accuracyinternational7967 Well it's the perfect tool for me! :) Sounds like you purchased yours before mine, as I haven't had mine for 10yrs, more like 8yrs. Mine clearly goes to 110gr's. I think the variance lies in the RCBS units! I did do the double-charge thing you talked about on the cheytac's though! Either way, the large powder volumes like that are least benefitted by the use of the Prometheus anyway. It's the "normal" small case volumes that benefit most.
@@primalrights I certainly agree with the position that large charges benefit less from the advantages of the Prometheus. I have another system that I use for bigger cases. HOWEVER, when it really matters I want to use the Prometheus. Last year for the NF ELR, JR and I loaded 2000 rounds (all of the team ammo) of 300 PRC with ~80.1 grains of N170 and we had to use my machine for all of it as JR's would max out at 79 grains. I do hope this is addressed in the newer units. I will say, as a team we had, by far, our most successful match with that ammunition.
@@accuracyinternational7967 You'll receive no argument from me there! I will ALWAYS use the Prometheus when I care about the result... and I pretty much always care about the result. I use other units for quick short batch testing on instances where the accuracy and precision doesn't matter as much.
Until I can afford a Prometheus I try to improve my powder handling on my budget. When I realized how bad my 20 year old digital scale was altering my weighed charges I bought a newer scale and have reduced the error. But the error is still present. Some day..
Having used high-end balances with wind screens on 3” of granite in a climate controlled room, the constant drift of my budget friendly electronic scale for reloading has been driving me crazy. I double weigh every charge and still can’t get it right. I appreciate quality but have to admire it from afar. I can still learn from user like yourself who are willing to share knowledge rather than monetized promotion. Thanks.
I have one. Purchased it because I wanted consistency, speed, and to spend as little time as possible reloading. Just making consistent rounds with the RCBS Chargemaster took forever. I would spend hours making rounds. The Prometheus is awesome....yes it's expensive but well worth the money. And Brand is a genius! 😊
I use a modified Lee powder scale set with RCBS check weights. The Lee powder drop is used to drop short then I trickle up with a Hornaday powder trickler. The mod is a line scrached on the scale base with an exacto knife and strait edge. The check weights are an absolute must have for this scale. If I a better looking powder scale that is just as accurate comes along... well I will get it just to try and impress my girlfriends when they come over.
My rcbs chargemaster supreme is throwing 2 charges then hanging up on the third. I have hardly used it. I have looked at the Prometheus and think its brilliant and maybe I should be saving for it.
Have you considered station pressure during the events of fluctuation on the digital scales? I often wondered if that sort of thing would influence the variable zero..?
I think your clarification on your expectations helps me and maybe others understand with out excuses why you may be off-putting or not the norm for most. Proof/facts is the ultimate definer. Goal achieved looking into a Prometheus.
I can understand your frustration with the scales. I very much dislike when I don't have confidence in a precision measuring instrument. It's like when I brew beer, and when measuring the mash temperature, three different thermometers give me three different readings, even after calibration.
When it comes to electronics, I've never had two sensors agree with each other at more than a single point in their range. That includes temperature sensors, humidity sensors, pressure sensors, etc. They all have unique calibration curves. For weighing powder charges, I don't have anything as nice as that Prometheus. I use two different scales. Each of them I calibrate using calibration weights (they cost more than the cheaper scale, LOL). They don't do better than 0.1gr in precision. As for accuracy, I only know zero and the calibration weight. Everything in between is a toss up.
Cognitive Dissonance is the term you were describing at the beginning of the video. You nailed it, no mater how much Empirical evidence. You try to present to these people; they just shut down and walk off the cliff.
i am a new guy, so i didnt understand the first half..but the last part was wicked awesome seeing the eefect of air!! m aut reloader from FA.. does that too and now i know i wasnt imagining it!!! love this!!
Relative temperature in the room that will alter the scales , was loading rounds over the course of a few nyts always leaving a charge in the scales whenever i I would look into the loading room ide see if the green light was on or not , funny I found they came true around the same time every nyt when the temperature dropped. In saying this I have no problem zeroing them out becoues the charge weight of the loaded ammo is going to vary the same as it did in the scales, as long as the loaded rounds are some what the same temperature you should be right
Look up the differences between strain gauge scales v force restoration scales. Strain gauge scales prefer to have the powder applied in one swell foop. They are inherently less accurate. Force restoration scales are much more accurate. A strain gauge scale trickles the powder into the pan a bit at a time which is the worst way to use a strain gauge scale. Force restoration scales is what we used in the chem lab. The scales we used were accurate to 1/10,000 of a gram. Unfortunately they are very expensive. I used an RCBS trickler and the re weigh it on another more accurate strain gauge scale accurate to 0.02 grains. Still not as good as a force restoration scale but not nearly as expensive.
I talked to Brand last week, nice guy. I’ve been looking at the Prometheus for 3-4 years now and sent my deposit in yesterday. 6-8 month wait time, not a big deal. My only question or thought is the following. Brand is the inventor and he obviously takes pride in customer service and knows the machine inside and out, he takes care of any problems mechanically. What happens when Brand isn’t around, not to be insensitive but it’s a legit concern I would think. It’s a sizable investment and I don’t anticipate issues but if you do have issues and Brand isn’t around then what? It’s just a thought I have, not a criticism.
Just experienced all of this on a forum. Its impossible to help some people. And that's ok. That's a few hours a day I just got back. I love your videos mate. I too am an uncompromising precision rifle enthusiast too.
Great content. It's hard to explain to folks how much money can be saved if you buy the best gear for your system. Some just want to try things immediately, some fall for advertising hype, others get drawn down the rabbit hole by club members who "have been doing it that way for years", etc. I always encourage competition, so new shooters get exposed to the actual challenges, good gear, and quantifiable degrees of expertise from shooters who are winning aggregates. Keep making great products, keep innovating, and keep these videos coming. The sport needs more reality check content.
ya when I first started in science, particularly in analytical labs, we didnt' have digital scales. We used a mechanical 'balance' with a magnified view of the alignment indicator. That was my most precise method for chemicals. Yet I had frustration with static and had to take specific precautions. We longed for a ful enclosed hands free device. This isn't new. Just new to you young folk.
I'm just trying to keep my groups within a paper plate at 100 yds. However, since I had the great forsight, of buying a good amount of Bitcoin in the early days when it was way way down, and uncomprsing perserverence of not selling it when I was broke. I think I'll get me one or 3 of these devices. 😁
The worst part of capitalism is that the cheap shit still takes almost the same raw materials, and probably the same amount of man hours to produce as the good shit. If you factor in the human cost of a talented engineer reverse engineering or designing down to meet a cost there is so much productivity lost to cost cutting for the sake of money it's truly a tragedy. I feel like there has to be a better way, just like capitalism was the better way vs. what existed previously. Maybe one day society will get there.
That powder measuring scale and dispenser it is out of my budget at this point.😢 But I would still like to come out and shoot with you and talk about Jesus.❤😊 After all, He is the complete thought process, I Of our hopes, dreams, and aspirations. I do greatly appreciate and value your opinion research and conclusions. God bless you bunner
Hey it's all about the moon an sun. A digital scale will be affected by same forces that cause tides. The only way is to use balance scales that are not affected by forces tha cause tides. Nice video.
Hey, you want to be a detractor? A troll? You want to be one of those people that just doesn't get it? Want to stir up some drama? Go ahead, do that... but you won't do it here. Get lost. Take that nonsense to some other channel, and don't come back... because no one will ever see your comments on this channel. There's nothing for you here. You're vapor. You don't even exist here. None of my target audience likes you or thinks like you think. So you're gone, and you don't even get a say in it.
I have always noticed the digital scale variance and woundered what round it changed on when loading. Makes perfect sense
Yep you are correct. I have only been reloading a few months but I noticed problem with powder bounce from the start and it's much worse with ball powder.
This is why I still use my Ohaus beam scales. I have a few electronic scales, but the accuracy of beam scales are better and more reliable. IMO. Great content, I really like the methodical way you come at problems. Thanks for all the knowledge you're providing.
Very, very, Interesting! A couple of questions... do you need to do any kind (or how much) of maintenance on the Prometheus like cleaning, dusting, whatever?... and is it/can it be EASILY damaged?
The reason I ask is that if the answers are positive then maybe it might make sense for me to might to pick up a used unit if one becomes available.
Thanks again Greg.
I suck up the kernels on the floor of the prometheus periodically and re-lube the lift arm bar and cylinder drag magnet every 5,000 to 10,000 cycles. That's all I've done in the 8'ish years I've had it. It's got some very small delicate parts on it, but generally you don't have to handle any of them with the exception of first time setup. If used correctly, it is not easily damaged. The main thing is making sure that if you aren't using it, you use the transfer bar to lift the knife edges of the balance beam up off the pivot.
You'll almost never find a used unit. People don't sell them. Basically ever. Probably 99% of the machines out there can not be legally sold. Only the ones purchased in the last few years can be sold. All the others were leased, rather than bought. Obviously I own mine, and I recommend everyone else buys theirs as well rather than lease it.
IMO if it can survive Canada post or Fedex it should last you a lifetime!
Thanks for the testing results. Even with my A&D FX and efforts to shield from air currents this is consistent with my experience. There are many times I find a few kernels on the reloading block that should not be there. No matter how carefully you transfer the cup a few do in fact get away. It was not as impactful with 40 grains of H4350, but more of an issue loading smaller charges of Varget for .223 for sure. That Prometheus is an amazingly well engineered machine for the purpose.
My A&D scale doesn’t move around like demonstrated here. I do love the Prometheus and will hopefully be able to purchase one someday. The ease of loading directly into the case would be amazing!
Same here A&D FX-120i, no issue with drifting or anything like that.
This is an honest question. Have you ever done a back to back test with something around 55 grains, testing a 55 grain load compared to 55.1 grains? I know that exact has to be better, but is it even noticeable?
How funny. I've been struggling with consistency for a while now. I hated that I could never really trust any of my digital scales. I knew from my electronics background how inconsistency could happen, but I chose to believe that brighter minds than myself had figured that out by now, this isn't infant technology after all. I recently switched back to my old balance beam scale, and guess what.... my load consistency suddenly improved. I certainly won't go in debt for this scale, but I now have a new goal in life!!
It's also worth noting (at 27:45) you double tap the funnel after dropping the charge. This is something you, I, and anyone else using the Prometheus don't even think about. We do it to ensure the charge isn't hung up in the funnel which can happen more often than I would like. Some of the newer funnel designs have geometry to minimize this fault of powder funnels, and this is an area where the Prometheus could be improved.
Agreed. However, I don't really have that issue with anything but .20cal and under. (.20cal in the video) When dumping the bulk charge, if you just slow up a tiny bit, it reduces bridging significantly. I swapped my factory prometheus funnels with one of those new anti-bridging funnels you mentioned... but because I couldn't see the charge through the funnel, it would be a big mess when they bridged. Despite them being designed to NOT bridge, they still do every once in a while. Then you have a big mess! hehe.
Have to do the she thing when loading sub guages for shotguns.
I never considered rogue kernels flying around my reloading table. I'm going to have to watch for that during my next reload.
I use an RCBS Uniflow 3 and an RCBS 5-10 balance beam scale. I have an old iPhone camera zoomed at the pointer to see when I'm dead on. I can see the movement of each kernel of H4350 from my trickler. Sometimes I'm just under and adding one kernel gets me too high.
Unfortunately Prometheus is beyond what I'm willing to spend for dispensing powder in this hobby.
I lay down a few paper towels where I reload and even with the FX scale system, Area 419 funnel, I still find a few kernels on the paper at the end of the loading session.
I sent my deposit and got my name on the waitlist two weeks ago. Will be working overtime all month to pay for it. Can’t wait to get my hands on one.
Brother....I don't own a Prometheus and sure wish I did. NO ONE could dispute that this is the most comprehensively accurate and best solution for throwing measures. It's just not possible. David Tubb was using one way back in the day and no one could touch his medals.
Copy that Brian... I'd love a Prometheus, it's just not in the cards for me right now. I'll have to live within my means, within the tenth of a grain + scale drift.
Just like what I drive is not a Ferrari or a lambo. I'll have to live with my pickup for now.
@primalrights. Brother thank you for the video I just got off the phone with Brand Cole and I am pulling the trigger.
Thank you again always great info.
You produce great content you have had me reconsidering reloading practices @ 4:24 to 5:17 experienced this with Rich Sherman of Sherman wildcat cartridges… buyer beware when it comes to his brass and published velocities
Can anyone share what the Prometheus is selling for? Their website doesn’t post pricing. I saw a thread these were $3K back in 2012, so am guessing they are $5-6K+ now.
@areynolds35 Yep that’s pretty much correct
Buy once cry once isn't in the cards for everyone, especially with the crazy inflation these days. Im saving for an amp annealer and giraud trimmer. Maybe a Prometheus or auto trickler one day. Till then the chargmaster and frustration are the only things in my future 😅. Ball powder everywhere 🤣
What I'd like to see is the actual difference between one or two kernels per powder charge. I understand the difference would be less noticeable in a larger case,that being said if some testing on 223 size cases to prove the difference would be very interesting.
Finally, a voice of reason in a world of madness. Digital scales drift... FACT. I have an RCBS Chargemaster 1500 that I use... to weigh my trickle up charges. Now, I can't afford a Promethius, so I'm constrained to my RCBS beam scale, but I can see it move with the addition of a single kernel of extruded powder. Most people, including my father who originally taught me reloading when I was a kid in 1974, think those digital scales are just fine and trying to convince them otherwise is an exercise in futility. I'm firmly in your court with this rant.
How do you load a 338 Lapua Magnum (and other large cases) with the Prometheus? And BTW, I've had one for about 10 years.
I load 338LM on it just like I load any other cartridge on it. I swap my trickler plate to large size to accommodate Retumbo, set my bulk charge, primary poise, secondary poise... and go to charging cases. I think the newer RCBS uniflow that's used might not allow for the big stuff though. If memory serves, the new uniflow can only run up to 80 or 90 gr's. Mine has the older uniflow and can run up to 100gr's weight. Your Prometheus from 10yrs ago should do the same.
@@primalrights The Uniflow on my Prometheus maxes out at ~82.5 grains. JR's Promo which I have run beside mine will only go to 79 grains. I think the newer Uniflow III will go to 95 grains, but I don't know if it is used on the latest Prometheus units. The answer is you set it for a 1/2 charge and throw twice to load large cases. The 375 Chey is a good example of a case well outside the range of the Prometheus. It's a great tool for precision reloaders, but it's not a perfect tool. Like everything else you have to understand the nuances in order to maximize it's potential.
@@accuracyinternational7967 Well it's the perfect tool for me! :)
Sounds like you purchased yours before mine, as I haven't had mine for 10yrs, more like 8yrs. Mine clearly goes to 110gr's. I think the variance lies in the RCBS units! I did do the double-charge thing you talked about on the cheytac's though! Either way, the large powder volumes like that are least benefitted by the use of the Prometheus anyway. It's the "normal" small case volumes that benefit most.
@@primalrights I certainly agree with the position that large charges benefit less from the advantages of the Prometheus. I have another system that I use for bigger cases. HOWEVER, when it really matters I want to use the Prometheus. Last year for the NF ELR, JR and I loaded 2000 rounds (all of the team ammo) of 300 PRC with ~80.1 grains of N170 and we had to use my machine for all of it as JR's would max out at 79 grains. I do hope this is addressed in the newer units. I will say, as a team we had, by far, our most successful match with that ammunition.
@@accuracyinternational7967 You'll receive no argument from me there! I will ALWAYS use the Prometheus when I care about the result... and I pretty much always care about the result. I use other units for quick short batch testing on instances where the accuracy and precision doesn't matter as much.
Until I can afford a Prometheus I try to improve my powder handling on my budget. When I realized how bad my 20 year old digital scale was altering my weighed charges I bought a newer scale and have reduced the error. But the error is still present. Some day..
Having used high-end balances with wind screens on 3” of granite in a climate controlled room, the constant drift of my budget friendly electronic scale for reloading has been driving me crazy. I double weigh every charge and still can’t get it right. I appreciate quality but have to admire it from afar. I can still learn from user like yourself who are willing to share knowledge rather than monetized promotion. Thanks.
I have one. Purchased it because I wanted consistency, speed, and to spend as little time as possible reloading. Just making consistent rounds with the RCBS Chargemaster took forever. I would spend hours making rounds. The Prometheus is awesome....yes it's expensive but well worth the money. And Brand is a genius! 😊
For me it's about the enjoyment and the ability to produce ammo. Speed is less important.
I use a modified Lee powder scale set with RCBS check weights.
The Lee powder drop is used to drop short then I trickle up with a Hornaday powder trickler.
The mod is a line scrached on the scale base with an exacto knife and strait edge.
The check weights are an absolute must have for this scale. If I a better looking powder scale that is just as accurate comes along... well I will get it just to try and impress my girlfriends when they come over.
My rcbs chargemaster supreme is throwing 2 charges then hanging up on the third. I have hardly used it. I have looked at the Prometheus and think its brilliant and maybe I should be saving for it.
Have you considered station pressure during the events of fluctuation on the digital scales? I often wondered if that sort of thing would influence the variable zero..?
On a different subject where can you purchase a 6mmprc primal die?
I think your clarification on your expectations helps me and maybe others understand with out excuses why you may be off-putting or not the norm for most. Proof/facts is the ultimate definer. Goal achieved looking into a Prometheus.
Thank you for the genuine and thought provoking comment.
I can understand your frustration with the scales. I very much dislike when I don't have confidence in a precision measuring instrument. It's like when I brew beer, and when measuring the mash temperature, three different thermometers give me three different readings, even after calibration.
Thanks for sharing your experiences to help us all make more precision ammunition.
When it comes to electronics, I've never had two sensors agree with each other at more than a single point in their range. That includes temperature sensors, humidity sensors, pressure sensors, etc. They all have unique calibration curves.
For weighing powder charges, I don't have anything as nice as that Prometheus. I use two different scales. Each of them I calibrate using calibration weights (they cost more than the cheaper scale, LOL). They don't do better than 0.1gr in precision. As for accuracy, I only know zero and the calibration weight. Everything in between is a toss up.
Thank you for getting me to this video. I love it. Put a call in for pricing. Going to start saving to get one!
How much is it ?
Quality without compromise should be the slogan for Prometheus!
Excellent content information for those of us in constant pursuit for precision and consistency. Thank you.
Great video! Just facts. I will have to watch us again several more times.
Cognitive Dissonance is the term you were describing at the beginning of the video. You nailed it, no mater how much Empirical evidence. You try to present to these people; they just shut down and walk off the cliff.
i am a new guy, so i didnt understand the first half..but the last part was wicked awesome seeing the eefect of air!! m aut reloader from FA.. does that too and now i know i wasnt imagining it!!! love this!!
Relative temperature in the room that will alter the scales , was loading rounds over the course of a few nyts always leaving a charge in the scales whenever i I would look into the loading room ide see if the green light was on or not , funny I found they came true around the same time every nyt when the temperature dropped.
In saying this I have no problem zeroing them out becoues the charge weight of the loaded ammo is going to vary the same as it did in the scales, as long as the loaded rounds are some what the same temperature you should be right
Look up the differences between strain gauge scales v force restoration scales. Strain gauge scales prefer to have the powder applied in one swell foop. They are inherently less accurate. Force restoration scales are much more accurate.
A strain gauge scale trickles the powder into the pan a bit at a time which is the worst way to use a strain gauge scale.
Force restoration scales is what we used in the chem lab. The scales we used were accurate to 1/10,000 of a gram. Unfortunately they are very expensive.
I used an RCBS trickler and the re weigh it on another more accurate strain gauge scale accurate to 0.02 grains. Still not as good as a force restoration scale but not nearly as expensive.
None of which can match a precisely crafted balance beam.
I talked to Brand last week, nice guy. I’ve been looking at the Prometheus for 3-4 years now and sent my deposit in yesterday. 6-8 month wait time, not a big deal. My only question or thought is the following. Brand is the inventor and he obviously takes pride in customer service and knows the machine inside and out, he takes care of any problems mechanically. What happens when Brand isn’t around, not to be insensitive but it’s a legit concern I would think. It’s a sizable investment and I don’t anticipate issues but if you do have issues and Brand isn’t around then what? It’s just a thought I have, not a criticism.
Just experienced all of this on a forum. Its impossible to help some people. And that's ok. That's a few hours a day I just got back. I love your videos mate. I too am an uncompromising precision rifle enthusiast too.
If you're not in a hurry balance beam scales do a very good job, and relatively cheap too 😉
Great content. It's hard to explain to folks how much money can be saved if you buy the best gear for your system. Some just want to try things immediately, some fall for advertising hype, others get drawn down the rabbit hole by club members who "have been doing it that way for years", etc. I always encourage competition, so new shooters get exposed to the actual challenges, good gear, and quantifiable degrees of expertise from shooters who are winning aggregates.
Keep making great products, keep innovating, and keep these videos coming. The sport needs more reality check content.
ya when I first started in science, particularly in analytical labs, we didnt' have digital scales. We used a mechanical 'balance' with a magnified view of the alignment indicator. That was my most precise method for chemicals. Yet I had frustration with static and had to take specific precautions. We longed for a ful enclosed hands free device. This isn't new. Just new to you young folk.
Wish I could afford one. Maybe someday.
Looks like I’ll be calling on Monday to get my name on the waitlist
No need to wait till Monday. Just give him a call and if he's not available just leave a message and he'll get back to you as soon as he's able. ;)
Done! 👊🏼
Damm, I've been experiencing everything you just said
Sorry for the editing mistake 😅
I'm just trying to keep my groups within a paper plate at 100 yds. However, since I had the great forsight, of buying a good amount of Bitcoin in the early days when it was way way down, and uncomprsing perserverence of not selling it when I was broke. I think I'll get me one or 3 of these devices. 😁
I feel the same about digital calipers. And digital multi meters. I'm an electrician. I prefer analog over digital.
Teasing us with unobtainium 😅 but I get it.
Taming the chaos. It's a tough job, but somebody's gotta do it. I'm glad you're on the job for all of us!
The worst part of capitalism is that the cheap shit still takes almost the same raw materials, and probably the same amount of man hours to produce as the good shit. If you factor in the human cost of a talented engineer reverse engineering or designing down to meet a cost there is so much productivity lost to cost cutting for the sake of money it's truly a tragedy. I feel like there has to be a better way, just like capitalism was the better way vs. what existed previously. Maybe one day society will get there.
Some day, I will own one.
We all love a good rant ❤
That powder measuring scale and dispenser it is out of my budget at this point.😢 But I would still like to come out and shoot with you and talk about Jesus.❤😊 After all, He is the complete thought process, I
Of our hopes, dreams, and aspirations. I do greatly appreciate and value your opinion research and conclusions. God bless you bunner
Schedule anytime! :)
Value = price / quality.
😂 Some people don’t want to be confused by facts. Let alone a rudimentary understanding of statistics.
Keep it up👍.
It is what I need
Hey it's all about the moon an sun. A digital scale will be affected by same forces that cause tides. The only way is to use balance scales that are not affected by forces tha cause tides. Nice video.
I get it, Thank you.😎
3,800 hundred dollar beauty
Love your uncompromising approach & attitude. Keep up the great work.
Many thanks! God bless!
I am finally glad to find somebody that is as anal as myself I've watched my scales go crazy at times keep up the good work very interesting 😎
Great Vid👍👍👍👍👍
True
Cool