Great video of lucid Truth. There are no shortcuts. No one wants to lift a finger to do the hard work of purgation and purification of the Soul and its shadow. No one wants to experience ego death. These are agonizing ordeals and not for beginners. They want to bypass the Soul and its karma and go straight to the Self. Or, they read a lot and watch a lot of videos and gain mental only knowledge and believe they have arrived. Wrong again. From my initial kundalini awakening and encounter with the Divine Goddess, it has taken me 23 years of purgation, study, prayer, and meditation and I am still working! I started at the base of the mountain and now I am perhaps 1/3rd the way up after 23 years. Peace.
I went to Papajis or Poonja in Lucknow for a month during the 90’s and what you said is right on as there was a lot of delusion and spiritual bypassing going on. But there were a few like a women from the US who is known as Gangaji who did have a true awakening but she had gone through a lot of preparation before that and she was ready but most were not. As always gratitude for sharing your wise words of wisdom, Namaste.
Another way to language this concept that seems to click with many contemporary minds today is the difference between Self-realization and Self-actualization. One is Self-realized (or enlightened) upon the personal identification with Atma to the exclusion of all other identities. Many dualistic teachings will say "Good job, your done." However this is not the final step. Self-actualization (or assimilation) is the necessary on-going practice of the individual toward consistent and unwaivering identification with the eternal Self. It's not enough to know that what you truly are is timeless, boundless Peace. One must then work to embody those qualities. Thanks to this channel as always for providing realistic and sincere spiritual teachings. Jai Bhagwan 💚🙏
Remember that it's not his teachings though. He is a vessel for the teachings of Vedanta. Maybe you're in love with his way of explaining them, but you have to know the teachings are not personal.
Naman Gurudev! An awesome video on the importance of slow and steady Spiritual Journey to reach the highest goal of life! As always a crystal clear explanation! Infinite gratitude! 🙏🕉🛕🔔🪔🦢🪷🦢🪷🦢🪷🦢🪷🦢🪔🔔🛕🕉🙏🇮🇳💐🌷🇮🇳🕉
Another video masterpiece by Swami Tadatmananda. Swamiji tactfully said what really needed to be said. Interesting that Swamiji mentioned that it took him decades to "remove habitual identification". If it had taken decades for someone like Swamiji ..... I will happily wait a few lifetimes to arrive at the same destination. Thankyou Swamiji.
As usual, Swamiji, a simply brilliant teaching. With the exception of expressing my love & gratitude, there's really no need or reason for me to comment as my words are grossly inadequate. Nonetheless, I'm compelled to say something because you resonate within like a bell, a clear crystal, and the sound of a trumpet. The vibrational tidal wave that emanates from you is liken to a lodestone. Usually, I am unable to describe or explain the glimpses of Truth that are sometimes revealed or uncovered within the heart. But I find that you very often, if not always, clearly teach and eloquently and succinctly explain and describe various aspects of the blossoming sadhana within the heart. Forgetfulness (ignorance) often creeps in, but as the Truth of your words reveal; for the overwhelming majority of us there are no shortcuts to realization. One must (I must) look into the mirror of gradually revealing awareness every day (Grace willing, in every moment) and practice the art of uprooting these hard to eradicate, conditioned and uncompromising weeds of worldly desires & habits within oneself. Salute! Infinite gratitude! Thank you, thank you, thank you. 🕉🙏🙏🙏Om shanti, shanti, shanti. 🌸
It's heartbreaking to see so many mules being abused for human enlightenment. If one has not mastered his eating and physical movement then one should not think of going on any pilgrimage. Thank you so much for making this video 🙏🙏
With all my respect to all spiritual teachers out there : In my personal opinion - and I apologise in advance in case I might hurt someone's feelings -, this video seems to be a some kind of negative comment on Rupert Spira's "direct path" teachings, even though he's not directly named here. A few days after this video was published, surprise-surprise, Rupert comes up with a video in which he reads a passage of Ashtavakra Gita, which is a classic advaita vedanta book. I don't know what to say or what to think, as I feel that both of the concerned spiritual teachers have excellend content and pedagogy.
Very timely! I recently read an article that was exploring the notion of hacking enlightenment with technology and made the argument that if people can't quickly experience the benefits from meditating (which are well-proven) then why would they continue to do it. Seems very lazy IMO. I think another issue here is that Western secularism only cares to approach meditative practices as a psychological/neurological process as opposed to a spiritual one and when approached as a phenomenon that only occurs at the physical level of the brain, the idea of committing to a spiritual practice (i.e. something that works on the level of soul or spirit) becomes completely meaningless. So sure try to "hack" enlightenment but it seems like an exercise in futility indeed.
Very well expressed. Those who watch this channel are probably not the ones who need this advice the most, but such advice in these times is very necessary
Thank you for all of your teachings and for sharing your wisdom. I’m learning a lot about Advaita Vedanta. As from your teachings, I’ve learned and grown thanks to teachers like Eckhart Tolle with his pointing towards present moment awareness and the eternal now. And Gangaji’s Satsangs-all viewed on RUclips-have been life changing. I understand your point about avoiding shortcuts. But, while some people enjoy the trappings and traditions of religious practice, many do not. We learn from various teachers in no special order and with no repetitive religious practices. Maybe for the assimilation phase I will need a more consistent practice following the steps of one specific religion. But once we have tasted our own limitless consciousness how can we ever really go back to pretending it isn’t there.
it's true, but for many people a thorough preparation might help a lot better. Obviously some don't need it that much, but dharma makes a case for the need to warn people not simply to "believe" through shallow teachings, but to consider it consciously so they are not stuck in suffering
Unless all your suffering has been purged and you have integrated your personal evolving Soul with Spirit, you have not achieved moksha. Anyone can touch or perceive Atman in meditation. You have to become Atman. Yes, at one level you already are Atman. However, you must actualize Atman and bring Atman to the front of consciousness so it rules your whole Being.
I was massively into Eckhart Tolle for a decade, but always felt something was missing. When I found Vedanta, that all disappeared. There was simply nothing ET could offer me anymore. I had found home. I wouldn't say those years were a waste though, but you do have to get out of the ET thing eventually if you think his teachings are all there is. I find the way he teaches to be misleading. A lot of people think they need to "get into the now", as if they're not already there. The one thing I did "gain" from ET in the beginning though was a basic discrimination. For someone like me at the time, I had no real idea that I could, for example, be the watcher of my anger or other negative feelings. Being able to step back and see negative emotions and realize that there the "I" watching and the "I" emoting was helpful. It stopped me from getting so involved in drama in my relationship, for example. As far as I've seen, unless he's changed over the past decade, ET provided no way of understanding the Self though. He never promoted anything about Vedanta. He just talked about his own "awakening" experience. He definitely gives some good things to think about, but he can't finish the job of pointing people in the right direction.
@@alukuhito yes, ET came early on my path too and his teachings were not the end. I found his awakening experience deeply moving. It seems so clear we only ever are in the present moment, but upon reflecting on this point I started to learn more about reality. Many, many books and teachers have entered my life since I discovered ET around 14 years ago.
Thank you Swami, this was illuminating and helpful. Thank you for your careful choice in words, the clarity is so helpful. Time to assimilate, off to contemplate your wise teaching.
Thank you, Swami-ji. 🙏 As a jiva, I can't remember an instantaneous realization of my true nature, the Self, although I know that I am the Self / Brahman / Awareness. Sometimes I wonder whether or not I missed out on something. It seems a lot of spiritual teachers talk about a certain "click" or even a special spiritual experience. I've never had that. I stumbled upon Vedanta about 11 years ago. Prior to that I had been doing various spiritual practices. Anyway, all the Vedanta I was intaking made a lot of sense to me and I just continued with it intensively for years. One of the more important realizations along the way (that you allude to in this video) has been that my mind doesn't have to be in some perfect state. If I am not the body and mind, which I know I'm not because I can observe them as objects, then it doesn't really matter if my mind is agitated. Before, I felt that if the mind wasn't in a constant blissful state, then I still wasn't "enlightened". Anyway, I am the light, not something to be enlightened. As a jiva I still do sometimes wonder though about this instantaneous realization or "click" that apparently happens.
The "click" is simply the first time you discover the reality (not the idea) of being limitless, unchanging consciousness, utterly independent of body, mind, and world.
@@SwamiTThank you Swami-ji for the response. 🙏. I guess there would have been a specific first time, but I can't remember it. I just seem to remember a general time of first getting into Vedanta and it all making sense.
Thank you for this talk. On the screen of supposed “shortcuts to enlightenment” videos, I notice one from Self-Realization Fellowship. Paramahansa Yogananda repeatedly asserted that the form of Kriya Yoga he taught was “the jet-airplane route to God”, and SRF continues to teach this. After studying with them for a few months, I came to feel very skeptical about that claim. But I should add that a stronger reason to doubt came from learning more about things done by SRF leadership after the master’s death, which made me question everything they now teach.
Self realization can happen right now if the mind is in rest. All the work(karma yoga) is done to rest body & minds activities that are habitual in nature and create ego nature. This is why Yogasutra says Yoga is Chitta Vritti Nirodha.
Would you say KYI falls under this? They still contain arduous practice and principles to live by, but Yogananda did claim that by undergoing that path you are doing years worth of work in a shorter more intense time period. Also, I do totally agree with you based off of just my experiences. Even with new realization or greater perception I’ve found that all my Karma I must still clean on my own and it will take a lot of work. It was the immense mess that I made that made realize how important all of this is if anything. Thank you for this video 🙏
Also, this is just me being perhaps neurotic but I’m not sure if anyone can attain full enlightenment unless the body and mind totally cease function because otherwise as far as we all know, another experience could just be the mechanism that is the body doing what it does best which is provide us with more of this (life/experience/existence as we know it) so even with greater awareness, knowledge, and/or experience you can’t really know if you’re some supreme consciousness that exists outside this mechanism of the body.
What is “KYI”? I know a lot about Yogananda and the 2 big organizations directly connected with his teachings (SRF and Ananda) but I’ve never heard of “KYI”.
One can get glimpse of enlightenment (which is possible because of all the teachings available on phone & higher intelligence of today's generation) and do the long assimilation of this wisdom in daily life
Excellent. We can safely suspect that Ramana was almost there in his previous incarnation. Oh so close. Almost there… exceedingly ripe for final flow. Just needed a tiny bit more self inquiry.
was trained like F many years ago even found one german women in full nivana with family yet allways happy and flawsslesly chill, if u truly want to Wake up find teachers who are awake and know how to show u reality
Like in business, there are many methods being introduced in spirituality and every method looks great. But confusion arises when they say this is the best method and others have flaws. For a beginner and with little enthusiasm to begin, will be lost and confused trying to figure out which is the right and proper method.
Papaji has been the source of a lot of confusion. And subsequently many of his students went off “believing” they were enlightened, when they were half cooked at best. O the Web of Maya… Neo Advaita lacks a solid foundation-Students can get caught up in it for years. Yet, somehow, there must be a purpose here in the big scheme of things. When the student is ready proper teachings will come forth. Thank you, Swami, for passing down these beautiful timeless Teachings.
Aatmiya DIVINITY AUM TAT SAT AUM *HARE KRSNA* Experiencing Amazing 'Contentment' attentively listening this, Spiritual Shortcuts video presentation and learning the essence of the talk. Role of 'Neo Advaita' teachers and disciples is well recognised along with the absence plus restrictions in realising our [true, Limitless/Full/complete Consciousness ATMA] nature. More over the challenge of Habitual Thinking in transforming identity is well understood. Very respectfully Loving 💗 ING You One and All DIVINE 💓😊❤ AUM TAT SAT AUM
Thank you for another helpful lecture. I'm curious about your thoughts regarding the circular or cyclical nature of the self-realization process. In my own experience I have experienced preparation leading into self-realization which leads into processes of assimilation, which can then be disrupted by experiences of trauma. So a mirror which has been cleaned, and then used properly, has become clouded again, which then requires more cleaning, so that the mind can be reminded of the Self.
It's possible to do spiritual bypassing. And go into spiritual ecstasy and get a glimpse of the truth. There is a catch. You realize that you didn't do all the purification necessary to contain that truth and stabilize it. And then once you realize that truth the rest of your life is trying to purify your anger pain and all of the other lower qualities that prevent you from being with Ishwara
@LifesInsight This is not a contest. You have no clue what enlightenment is. It's not something to be believed. It's has nothing to do with knowing. It is not a spiritual achievement. When you enter into samadhi you don't care about anything but the moment. Everything is wonderful. Even the most mundane moment is amazing. Getting to the place where you don't get angry, or even bothered comes from release. I am not there yet. I am not pure enough to stabilize enlightenment. I am full of angry towards God. Try dealing with the resentment of mean people hitting you and calling you a "faggot" for years for being different. This path requires to go where most won't tread.
Swamiji Pranam . I wish to watch your Mahabharata videos . How can I watch the same . I already am listening to your lectures on Gita .I have reached episode 19 . Thank you .
U can start waking up in an hour yet only if the teacher is able to get the student to truly understnd in such a short time also some students are just very karmicly ready and wake up very fast
shilling: "if you are prepared, even the highest teachings can quickly be understood, but if you are not prepared those teachings will forever remain beyond your grasp, regardless of your intelligence and sincerity"
sure but dont forget that shrooms arent the answer, they just point you the right way. shrooms have no substance if you dont apply their teaching to your life/mind
Actually I know not much about Ramana Maharishi but knowing that he was very very famous that people like to quote his teaching in videos. By looking at his various photos all naked with much show-off facial expressions and posts, and his back never sat straight which was not a good sign in spirituality. I cannot accept him as a real sage from my inner heart though I never tell anyone about this before. I also come across in videos knowing his teaching that animals can get enlightenment better than human which is really contradictory from the Vedanta scriptures. The way he praised animals in spiirituality I know he is not a real sage but very famous in world history.
WE ARE ALL ALREADY ENLIGHTENED. So there is nothing to do, only acknowledging your own divine true nature. we are already there. other then that, sure, there is a lot of inner work for us all, but it's not about enlightenment because we already are there. You don't need Hinduism, a guru, etc. although of course you can always benefit from the knowledge of others. Please reflect on this. Thank you.
Seems to me that if we are all enlightened as you claim then none of us here would need the advice you offer. On the other hand, if any of us needed that advice then it proves that we are not all already enlightened as you claim. So, are you certain that we are all enlightened or is that just a belief you hold?
@rsr9200 It's funny you should say that, It reminds my of the Zen Buddhism's "Koans" many of them are centered around this idea. To answer your question: I am certain that we are all god, and that we can't be "more" god then we're already are, (Or that some Guru is). It of course doesn't mean we don't have to walk the path of self discovery, or self knowing.
@@ilaysk It stands to reason that omniscient God does not “have to walk the path of self discovery, or self knowing”. This is because if omniscient God had any need to know it would make God non-omniscient which cannot be. So, if you are certain that we are God and if you are a reasoning individual it should be clear that there is no need for any of us to “walk the path of self discovery, or self knowing”. Therefore, I am not persuaded that your assertions here are logically sound. Also, since you are certain we are all God it implies that you know you are God as well. Since there is only God, there is no second to God to offer advice to. Yet there was advice offered in your first post. What gives?
@rsr9200 Logic is not the answer to everything, it's just a tool. I would go by your arguments one by one but there is no need for that : If I am claiming there is only god, any form of dualism would supposedly make that non-dual statement (aka there is only god) invalid. all your arguments go to this point basically. Our minds are dualistic, therefore non-dualism will never "make sense". But it's OK. to answer your question: it's not a belief and I am not "certain" (as in knowledge of the mind), but I do "know" this, and knowing here means the knowledge of our true shared divinity. Go and try meditate on your true nature, and you tell me what's going on 😊🕉❤
@@ilaysk Well, logic may not be the answer to everything but any answer that is illogical must be rejected if we are to engage in a rational discourse! First, your assertion “We are all already enlightened” was shown to be absurd. Subsequently, your attempt at rationalizing that with the answer “I am certain that we are god” was shown to be absurd when considered in conjunction with your other assertions. Instead of accepting the illogic of your assertions you offer a rejoinder on your third attempt which is logically flawed as well. Now you question the need for rationality in this discussion! Since your interest in engaging in a rational discourse is unclear to me, I will not press this discussion further.
Rammana spent 10 years in a basement room and a cave with insects and rodents feeding off his body while not speaking. For many , that sort of enlightenment is not what they seek. In the end it varies for everyone, and the struggle to give up the sense of an individual self is not trivial. In the end, the lion must devour the very sheep that took it in, as that is its true nature. Similarly, Arjuna must return to the battlefield and kill the family that cared for him in the Gita, as that is his true nature as a warrior. Best wishes to all
Haha, shortcut to enlightenment 😆... reminds me of an advertisement I saw in the 1960s: 'Learn to play guitar like Jimi Hendrix in a week and impress your girlfriend!'
From the presentation it seems that Swamy Tadatmananda has not studied the teachings of Sri Ramana Maharishi. Some of the followers of Sri Maharishi may think that it is a short cut. It is called a direct method which is not short cut. In fact the Maharishi’s emphasis is taught in the Upanishads and reinforced by Sri Sankara’s commentaries. These characterizations such as neo Vedanta itself is a naming leading to a kind of identification which comes in the way of seeing the truth. These comments are not coming from trying to defend any position. If one wants to see the truth they need an open mind. A mind that is made up cannot learn anything new. This applies to worldly teachings. And certainly to the understanding beyond the mind The preparations of sadhana such as Bahiranga sadhana, Antharanga sadhana and Sakshat Sadhana are actually effortless. The issue is wrong understanding of the word sadhana. Swami Tadatmananda will himself admit that he never gave up anything when he dedicated life to spiritual pursuits of the truth. Was it really a struggle as implied in this video. Time element to mature is needed but it us not by ego based will. So the premise that there is a long time element needed for being ready as a starting assumption is wrong. It varies based on the earnestness of the individual. Ramana Maharishi emphasized importance of Guru in his conversations. If references are needed it can be provided. He never said he did not have teachers but to understand that, a limited fixation of teacher just to be another body only has to go There are no shortcuts to anything lasting. Ramana Maharishi did not advocate that. Proper study of his teachings with right background in Sri Sankara Bhashya can allow one to appreciate the profundity of the teaching. Ramana Maharishi’s teachings, Nisargadatt Maharaja’s teachings, swami Vivekananda’s teachings enrich one with pointers that can help with transcendence to the truth for their teachings though on surface may appear different speak to the same truth Any binaries created is based on wrong understanding or short cut understanding of their teachings?is incorrect. Again the point is not to defend any of these Mahatmas and their words. It is only to point out there is no difference or in the effectiveness of one who seeks to understand the oneness of the truth Again offering these comments with full respect to Swami Tadatmananda
I did not conclude from this video that Sri Ramana Maharishi (SRM) advocated a “short cut” approach to moksha as you seem to suggest. Also, based on what I gleaned from other videos on this RUclips channel I am persuaded that Swamiji is familiar with the teachings of SRM despite your speculation to the contrary. Furthermore, as can be confirmed by a search on RUclips, several teachers in Swamiji’s Arsha sub-tradition, including his guru Pujya Swami Dayananda, have taught SRM’s Upadesha Saram. Therefore, I would be surprised if Swamiji were oblivious to SRM’s teachings. As noted in this video, some prominent devotees of SRM promoting the “direct path” aka neo-Advaita suggest that a “short cut” for self-realization is available. Of course, since SRM devotes a significant portion of the Upadesha Saram to emphasize the need to prepare our mind, what is claimed by these neo-Advaita teachers is, arguably, not endorsed by SRM. Seems to me that this is what was implied in this video as I understood it.
@@rsr9200 Sri Ramana Maharishi (SRM) never said anything about short cuts, Swami Tadatmananda in this video talked against neo vedantins advocating such means and introduced SRM into the topic. I can only comment on the video as it stands and some contradictions implied. SRM never called himself a teacher. he orthodoxy in the name of tradition rejected him during his times. He only spoke to people who had questions Some of this Questions and Answers are available, His works which he translated with Kavya Kanta Muni into Sanskrit are available. They are standard text in any Advita Vedanta ashrams, Why label SRM as a neo Vedantin and create a division. Was SRM teaching truth or falsity ? If it is truth does it come in the color of neo vedantin? The assumption with the term neo vedantin shows there is lack of not grasping what SRM taught through the works available to us. We cannot go by people who call themselves his students. Also by saying there is preparation in time, and there is instant understanding of truth and then Nidhdhyasanam over time misses the truth in a basic manner. You cannot put timeless truth in the flow of time. Sampradaya is often translated as tradition, It tradition is meant to indicate parampara then there can be no Vedanta with that approach. The term Samradaya has been explained by Sri Sankara in the Gita commetaries and elsewhere in detail. By that understanding SRM teaching as available in the texts are traditional. So drawing a binary choice between traditional and SRM as neo vedantin misses the point. Short cuts do not work, So to use SRM work as an example for a thesis one must fully study the work of SRM preferable with someone who is well versed in Vedanta (Upanishad, Gita etc with Bhashya). Only then it is possible to appreciate the wisdom in SRM teachings in Sad darshanam, Upadesa Saaram, Ramana Gita etc. I was primarily responding to use of terms such as neo use of words like neo vedantin etc to divide the truth which is contradictory to the truth. If what SRM said in the works (which is like Prakarana Grantha) then it is fine to air that. Veda including Vedanta is all about a methodology to approach based on prepredness of a student in terms of maturity. There are always people calling themselves as students of SRM, Sankara , Buddha etc but look for short cuts. No need to go after them but such people will not cease to appear. Our goal is only to stive to understand the truth that cannot be verbalized or reached by the mind. I did not see that spirit in this video by Swami T and hence felt to comment. Thanks for the engagement
@@home-person2800 You ask “Why label SRM as a neo Vedantin and create a division? Was SRM teaching truth or falsity?”. As I understand SRM’s teachings, they never question the infallibility of the Upanishads aka Vedanta as the pramana (authoritative means of knowledge) for brahma-jnana. Hence, during his bodily existence, SRM was unquestionably a Vedantin and Swamiji seems to acknowledge that by characterizing SRM as a spiritual prodigy/genius. As I heard it, the term used within the video to describe the teaching approach invented by some modern devotees of SRM is neo advaita. As I understand it, neo advaita does not accept the Upanishads as the pramana for brahma-jnana. Therefore, as I see it, while neo advaita may be influenced by the teachings of SRM it is not Vedanta. Also, I do not see how being factual about the difference between neo advaita and traditional Advaita Vedanta creates a division. On the contrary, I would suggest that it is beneficial for us since it enables us to make informed choices in our sadhana. Furthermore, I fail to see how criticism of neo advaita amounts to deprecation of SRM’s teachings since the latter, by its acceptance of the authority of the Upanishads, is not neo advaita. Although I do not agree with you on your characterization of this video, I accept your privilege to feel differently about it than I do.
@@rsr9200 This is not about discussion of opnions. The premise behind my comments are that all sincere sadhakas are in search of truth. Yukthi (reasons) is not contradictory to the truth though truth goes beyond levels of the mind. The attempt here is to substantiate a statement with reasons. If you take it is as just anoher opinion then there is nothing more to say. When there are issues in presentation with intent to communicate means to reach the truth, then it is open to question assertions wherein new terms like neo vedantin are introduced. This term is not used only for students of SRM but to SRM teaching itself. There are other video by Swami T to this effect. Will provide reference to those videos at the end. Now characterizing a school of thought as dwitha or Visishta dwitha or Sunya vada is fine. One can point out issues with those schools of though and Sri Sankara in the Bhashya points them out. But in Mandukaya Karika (like Advita Prakaranam) Bhashya makes clear that Advita Vedanta has no issues with anyone. Here neovedantin term is used in the spirit that neovedantin and their followers are somewhat ignorant. It is kind of name calling and it is not accurate in terms of characterization. But who is really ignorant. In chapter 13 verse 2 Bhashya Sri Sankara explains who is ignorant. I dont want to say much more here Please view this video by Swami T (reference below) I used RUclips transcription facility to show what Swami T meant, for he claims teachings of Sri Ramakrishna, Ramana Maharishi as coming under the category of neo vedanta. He makes some kind of justification statement here to as SRM is a spiritual genius but implication is that neo vedanta as he calls is flawed. It is not about just students of SRM Upanishads teach atma vidya. SRM teachings are in 100% alignment (Sad Darshanam and such texts) with Upanishad. So if someone follows that, they by their action are accepting veda as a Pramana regardless of what they know about Pramana. The topic area of Upanishad is atma vidya only. But in asserting Veda is Pramana what is missed is that Atma is Aprameya (meaning no Pramana is needed and it cannot be known). So Sri Sankara in Gita Bhashyam in chapter 2 clarifies what is meant by Veda is a Pramana. There is lot more depth than anyone proclaiming Veda is a Pramana. Teachigs of SRM is Pramana because it is in alignment with Upanishad and Gita. But some of the statements under the banner of traditional teaching have been misquoting what Pujya Swamiji had said in this detailed teachings. Anyway here is a reference to one of Swami T's video. ruclips.net/video/R9pemPIBhLE/видео.htmlsi=qUhOplTyVaO4kZho Please hear from 52:58 to 1:10:51 The characterization of teachings of Sri Ramakrishna , SRM , Swami Vivekananda as not authentic (beause they are neo vedanta) is wrong. One can question if their teachings are properly understood before making such assertions I will stop here
@@home-person2800 You state “This is not about discussion of opinions………..The attempt here is to substantiate a statement with reasons.” Okay then, let us examine some of what you presented in these comments to see if they qualify as opinions or qualify as facts. You noted earlier that “SRM never called himself a teacher”. Since he was not a teacher, reason dictates that SRM’s observations should not be called teachings by you. Yet you contradict reason by repeatedly referring to SRM’s observations as “teachings”. For instance, you say “This term (neo Vedanta) is not used only for students of SRM but to SRM teaching itself”. Therefore, reason suggests that the characterization of SRM’s observations as “teachings” is an opinion. Of course, despite that I have no objections to the use of that terminology as long as we recognize it for what it is. Now, let us similarly examine your statement “Here neovedantin term is used in the spirit that neovedantin and their followers are somewhat ignorant. It is kind of name calling and it is not accurate in terms of characterization.” Without an extraordinary capability to read Swamiji’s mind it is impossible for us to infer the “spirit” of this presentation through reasoned logic. Hence, I would suggest that the aforesaid statement is an opinion. Further, prepending a term with the word “neo” does not somehow make the compounded term pejorative as you seem to suggest. If that were the case neonatologists all over the world would be up in arms denouncing rather than celebrating their professional designation. Finally, let us examine the following two statements (1) “But in asserting Veda is Pramana what is missed is that Atma is Aprameya (meaning no Pramana is needed and it cannot be known); and (2) “Teachings of SRM is Pramana because it is in alignment with Upanishad and Gita”. Statement 2 claims that the “teachings of SRM” are a pramana for atma vidya while statement 1 dismisses the need for that pramana! I fail to see the logic here. In summary, it is unlikely that our opinions about this video (or the older video referenced in your post) will converge. However, I am fine with that because I recognize that while traditional Advaita Vedanta suits my needs best the same may not be the case for all my friends. I take comfort in the Upanishadic revelation that despite seeming differences in our appearance we are indivisibly one in reality.
Great video of lucid Truth. There are no shortcuts. No one wants to lift a finger to do the hard work of purgation and purification of the Soul and its shadow. No one wants to experience ego death. These are agonizing ordeals and not for beginners. They want to bypass the Soul and its karma and go straight to the Self. Or, they read a lot and watch a lot of videos and gain mental only knowledge and believe they have arrived. Wrong again. From my initial kundalini awakening and encounter with the Divine Goddess, it has taken me 23 years of purgation, study, prayer, and meditation and I am still working! I started at the base of the mountain and now I am perhaps 1/3rd the way up after 23 years. Peace.
I went to Papajis or Poonja in Lucknow for a month during the 90’s and what you said is right on as there was a lot of delusion and spiritual bypassing going on. But there were a few like a women from the US who is known as Gangaji who did have a true awakening but she had gone through a lot of preparation before that and she was ready but most were not. As always gratitude for sharing your wise words of wisdom, Namaste.
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Answered my big question. Thank you so much Swamiji!
Another way to language this concept that seems to click with many contemporary minds today is the difference between Self-realization and Self-actualization. One is Self-realized (or enlightened) upon the personal identification with Atma to the exclusion of all other identities. Many dualistic teachings will say "Good job, your done." However this is not the final step. Self-actualization (or assimilation) is the necessary on-going practice of the individual toward consistent and unwaivering identification with the eternal Self. It's not enough to know that what you truly are is timeless, boundless Peace. One must then work to embody those qualities.
Thanks to this channel as always for providing realistic and sincere spiritual teachings. Jai Bhagwan 💚🙏
😍 I'm in love with your teachings Guru Ji
Remember that it's not his teachings though. He is a vessel for the teachings of Vedanta. Maybe you're in love with his way of explaining them, but you have to know the teachings are not personal.
@@alukuhito stop poking your nose 👃
Naman Gurudev! An awesome video on the importance of slow and steady Spiritual Journey to reach the highest goal of life! As always a crystal clear explanation! Infinite gratitude! 🙏🕉🛕🔔🪔🦢🪷🦢🪷🦢🪷🦢🪷🦢🪔🔔🛕🕉🙏🇮🇳💐🌷🇮🇳🕉
Om Tat Sat
Very informative video
Deep gratitude..Swamiji
Thank You Swamiji🙏
Another video masterpiece by Swami Tadatmananda. Swamiji tactfully said what really needed to be said. Interesting that Swamiji mentioned that it took him decades to "remove habitual identification". If it had taken decades for someone like Swamiji ..... I will happily wait a few lifetimes to arrive at the same destination. Thankyou Swamiji.
Thank you endlessly swami 🙏🙏🙏
As usual, Swamiji, a simply brilliant teaching. With the exception of expressing my love & gratitude, there's really no need or reason for me to comment as my words are grossly inadequate. Nonetheless, I'm compelled to say something because you resonate within like a bell, a clear crystal, and the sound of a trumpet. The vibrational tidal wave that emanates from you is liken to a lodestone. Usually, I am unable to describe or explain the glimpses of Truth that are sometimes revealed or uncovered within the heart. But I find that you very often, if not always, clearly teach and eloquently and succinctly explain and describe various aspects of the blossoming sadhana within the heart. Forgetfulness (ignorance) often creeps in, but as the Truth of your words reveal; for the overwhelming majority of us there are no shortcuts to realization. One must (I must) look into the mirror of gradually revealing awareness every day (Grace willing, in every moment) and practice the art of uprooting these hard to eradicate, conditioned and uncompromising weeds of worldly desires & habits within oneself.
Salute! Infinite gratitude! Thank you, thank you, thank you. 🕉🙏🙏🙏Om shanti, shanti, shanti. 🌸
beautifully said Vincent, your words resonated a lot with me. Thank you
It's heartbreaking to see so many mules being abused for human enlightenment.
If one has not mastered his eating and physical movement then one should not think of going on any pilgrimage. Thank you so much for making this video 🙏🙏
In the story, the lion must eventually devour the sheep as this too is its true nature.
Thank You Yrue Source❤Thank You Guru❤
With all my respect to all spiritual teachers out there :
In my personal opinion - and I apologise in advance in case I might hurt someone's feelings -, this video seems to be a some kind of negative comment on Rupert Spira's "direct path" teachings, even though he's not directly named here.
A few days after this video was published, surprise-surprise, Rupert comes up with a video in which he reads a passage of Ashtavakra Gita, which is a classic advaita vedanta book.
I don't know what to say or what to think, as I feel that both of the concerned spiritual teachers have excellend content and pedagogy.
Very timely! I recently read an article that was exploring the notion of hacking enlightenment with technology and made the argument that if people can't quickly experience the benefits from meditating (which are well-proven) then why would they continue to do it. Seems very lazy IMO. I think another issue here is that Western secularism only cares to approach meditative practices as a psychological/neurological process as opposed to a spiritual one and when approached as a phenomenon that only occurs at the physical level of the brain, the idea of committing to a spiritual practice (i.e. something that works on the level of soul or spirit) becomes completely meaningless. So sure try to "hack" enlightenment but it seems like an exercise in futility indeed.
Very well expressed. Those who watch this channel are probably not the ones who need this advice the most, but such advice in these times is very necessary
Thank you Bindhu..OM 🙏
Thank you for all of your teachings and for sharing your wisdom. I’m learning a lot about Advaita Vedanta. As from your teachings, I’ve learned and grown thanks to teachers like Eckhart Tolle with his pointing towards present moment awareness and the eternal now. And Gangaji’s Satsangs-all viewed on RUclips-have been life changing. I understand your point about avoiding shortcuts. But, while some people enjoy the trappings and traditions of religious practice, many do not. We learn from various teachers in no special order and with no repetitive religious practices. Maybe for the assimilation phase I will need a more consistent practice following the steps of one specific religion. But once we have tasted our own limitless consciousness how can we ever really go back to pretending it isn’t there.
it's true, but for many people a thorough preparation might help a lot better. Obviously some don't need it that much, but dharma makes a case for the need to warn people not simply to "believe" through shallow teachings, but to consider it consciously so they are not stuck in suffering
Unless all your suffering has been purged and you have integrated your personal evolving Soul with Spirit, you have not achieved moksha. Anyone can touch or perceive Atman in meditation. You have to become Atman. Yes, at one level you already are Atman. However, you must actualize Atman and bring Atman to the front of consciousness so it rules your whole Being.
I was massively into Eckhart Tolle for a decade, but always felt something was missing. When I found Vedanta, that all disappeared. There was simply nothing ET could offer me anymore. I had found home. I wouldn't say those years were a waste though, but you do have to get out of the ET thing eventually if you think his teachings are all there is. I find the way he teaches to be misleading. A lot of people think they need to "get into the now", as if they're not already there. The one thing I did "gain" from ET in the beginning though was a basic discrimination. For someone like me at the time, I had no real idea that I could, for example, be the watcher of my anger or other negative feelings. Being able to step back and see negative emotions and realize that there the "I" watching and the "I" emoting was helpful. It stopped me from getting so involved in drama in my relationship, for example. As far as I've seen, unless he's changed over the past decade, ET provided no way of understanding the Self though. He never promoted anything about Vedanta. He just talked about his own "awakening" experience. He definitely gives some good things to think about, but he can't finish the job of pointing people in the right direction.
@@alukuhito yes, ET came early on my path too and his teachings were not the end. I found his awakening experience deeply moving. It seems so clear we only ever are in the present moment, but upon reflecting on this point I started to learn more about reality. Many, many books and teachers have entered my life since I discovered ET around 14 years ago.
@@gridcoregilry666 Many paths, and yes, experience is the only ultimate teacher. Not belief.
So true.
Heartful pranam guruvar
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Thankyou so much swamiji
Thanks for wonderful teaching 🙏
Uperb teaching,simple,straight,direct,cant be better,warm regards Swamiji
Shanti, Shanti, Shanti 🙏
🙏🙏 Thank you Swamiji.
Thaxs for such a wonderful explanation
Thank you Swami, this was illuminating and helpful. Thank you for your careful choice in words, the clarity is so helpful. Time to assimilate, off to contemplate your wise teaching.
Thank you, Swami-ji. 🙏 As a jiva, I can't remember an instantaneous realization of my true nature, the Self, although I know that I am the Self / Brahman / Awareness. Sometimes I wonder whether or not I missed out on something. It seems a lot of spiritual teachers talk about a certain "click" or even a special spiritual experience. I've never had that. I stumbled upon Vedanta about 11 years ago. Prior to that I had been doing various spiritual practices. Anyway, all the Vedanta I was intaking made a lot of sense to me and I just continued with it intensively for years. One of the more important realizations along the way (that you allude to in this video) has been that my mind doesn't have to be in some perfect state. If I am not the body and mind, which I know I'm not because I can observe them as objects, then it doesn't really matter if my mind is agitated. Before, I felt that if the mind wasn't in a constant blissful state, then I still wasn't "enlightened". Anyway, I am the light, not something to be enlightened. As a jiva I still do sometimes wonder though about this instantaneous realization or "click" that apparently happens.
The "click" is simply the first time you discover the reality (not the idea) of being limitless, unchanging consciousness, utterly independent of body, mind, and world.
@@SwamiTThank you Swami-ji for the response. 🙏. I guess there would have been a specific first time, but I can't remember it. I just seem to remember a general time of first getting into Vedanta and it all making sense.
Its all about learning to see what allready is better and better
Grazie per la chiarezza che è stata fatta sulla Neo-Advaita Vedanta, ne avevo bisogno 🙏🏻🕉️
Thank you for this talk. On the screen of supposed “shortcuts to enlightenment” videos, I notice one from Self-Realization Fellowship. Paramahansa Yogananda repeatedly asserted that the form of Kriya Yoga he taught was “the jet-airplane route to God”, and SRF continues to teach this. After studying with them for a few months, I came to feel very skeptical about that claim. But I should add that a stronger reason to doubt came from learning more about things done by SRF leadership after the master’s death, which made me question everything they now teach.
Self realization can happen right now if the mind is in rest. All the work(karma yoga) is done to rest body & minds activities that are habitual in nature and create ego nature. This is why Yogasutra says Yoga is Chitta Vritti Nirodha.
Kodi kodi pranaam🙏
This is a much needed clarification. 🙏
Deep thanks, Guru.
Thank you very much
Thank you punah punah again and again. This has been a lingering doubt although I have always appreciated the pathway.
A much needed message.
Thank you ❤
Thank you so much for making these videos! I get excited every time I see a knew one posted!
Would you say KYI falls under this? They still contain arduous practice and principles to live by, but Yogananda did claim that by undergoing that path you are doing years worth of work in a shorter more intense time period.
Also, I do totally agree with you based off of just my experiences. Even with new realization or greater perception I’ve found that all my Karma I must still clean on my own and it will take a lot of work. It was the immense mess that I made that made realize how important all of this is if anything.
Thank you for this video 🙏
Also, this is just me being perhaps neurotic but I’m not sure if anyone can attain full enlightenment unless the body and mind totally cease function because otherwise as far as we all know, another experience could just be the mechanism that is the body doing what it does best which is provide us with more of this (life/experience/existence as we know it) so even with greater awareness, knowledge, and/or experience you can’t really know if you’re some supreme consciousness that exists outside this mechanism of the body.
What is “KYI”? I know a lot about Yogananda and the 2 big organizations directly connected with his teachings (SRF and Ananda) but I’ve never heard of “KYI”.
@dhyanadasYeah I meant Kriya Yoga Institute when I was saying KYI.
@@janetownleyI meant Kriya Yoga Institute under Paramahamsa Prajnanananda. Although, really I’m saying anything from that lineage of Babaji’s Yoga.
Goedemorgen, dankjewel. ❤
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One can get glimpse of enlightenment (which is possible because of all the teachings available on phone & higher intelligence of today's generation) and do the long assimilation of this wisdom in daily life
yes its brutal hard even insanely horrerfying at times each person is different
In India particularly in Tamilnadu a Guru gives instant Enlightenment those people themselves called Gnani
Excellent. We can safely suspect that Ramana was almost there in his previous incarnation. Oh so close. Almost there… exceedingly ripe for final flow. Just needed a tiny bit more self inquiry.
was trained like F many years ago even found one german women in full nivana with family yet allways happy and flawsslesly chill, if u truly want to Wake up find teachers who are awake and know how to show u reality
Like in business, there are many methods being introduced in spirituality and every method looks great. But confusion arises when they say this is the best method and others have flaws. For a beginner and with little enthusiasm to begin, will be lost and confused trying to figure out which is the right and proper method.
preparation - long
realization - instantaneously
assimilation* - long
*process of removing habitual identification with body&mind
Papaji has been the source of a lot of confusion. And subsequently many of his students went off “believing” they were enlightened, when they were half cooked at best. O the Web of Maya…
Neo Advaita lacks a solid foundation-Students can get caught up in it for years. Yet, somehow, there must be a purpose here in the big scheme of things. When the student is ready proper teachings will come forth.
Thank you, Swami, for passing down these beautiful timeless Teachings.
It is not the destination it is journey where the Destination is present. Importance is in the moment of the journey.
Enlightenment is not a destination. it is in the journey(being in the moment) .
Aatmiya DIVINITY
AUM TAT SAT AUM
*HARE KRSNA*
Experiencing Amazing 'Contentment' attentively listening this, Spiritual Shortcuts video presentation and learning the essence of the talk.
Role of 'Neo Advaita' teachers and disciples is well recognised along with the absence plus restrictions in realising our [true, Limitless/Full/complete Consciousness ATMA] nature.
More over the challenge of Habitual Thinking in transforming identity is well understood.
Very respectfully Loving 💗 ING You One and All DIVINE 💓😊❤
AUM TAT SAT AUM
Thank you for another helpful lecture. I'm curious about your thoughts regarding the circular or cyclical nature of the self-realization process.
In my own experience I have experienced preparation leading into self-realization which leads into processes of assimilation, which can then be disrupted by experiences of trauma.
So a mirror which has been cleaned, and then used properly, has become clouded again, which then requires more cleaning, so that the mind can be reminded of the Self.
exactly
this realization itself is a result of the right path
Yep, can’t seem to maintain Self when I leave my cave.
I've just noticed that big disturbances can shake our mental attitude which can cause us to forget things that we know.
The "hacks" had me laughing so hard! 🤣🤣🤣
It's possible to do spiritual bypassing. And go into spiritual ecstasy and get a glimpse of the truth. There is a catch. You realize that you didn't do all the purification necessary to contain that truth and stabilize it. And then once you realize that truth the rest of your life is trying to purify your anger pain and all of the other lower qualities that prevent you from being with Ishwara
@LifesInsight This is not a contest. You have no clue what enlightenment is. It's not something to be believed. It's has nothing to do with knowing. It is not a spiritual achievement. When you enter into samadhi you don't care about anything but the moment. Everything is wonderful. Even the most mundane moment is amazing. Getting to the place where you don't get angry, or even bothered comes from release. I am not there yet. I am not pure enough to stabilize enlightenment. I am full of angry towards God. Try dealing with the resentment of mean people hitting you and calling you a "faggot" for years for being different. This path requires to go where most won't tread.
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The TEST is...how long can you engage in daily life activities WITHOUT forgetting your true nature
Swamiji Pranam . I wish to watch your Mahabharata videos . How can I watch the same . I already am listening to your lectures on Gita .I have reached episode 19 . Thank you .
the Vegan Lion story!
Thanks very helpful
U can start waking up in an hour yet only if the teacher is able to get the student to truly understnd in such a short time also some students are just very karmicly ready and wake up very fast
Allready know the highest teachings, even knew about the great light as small kid somthing taght me things
shilling: "if you are prepared, even the highest teachings can quickly be understood, but if you are not prepared those teachings will forever remain beyond your grasp, regardless of your intelligence and sincerity"
the shortcut is the longcut.
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Do mushrooms 🍄
sure but dont forget that shrooms arent the answer, they just point you the right way. shrooms have no substance if you dont apply their teaching to your life/mind
Actually I know not much about Ramana Maharishi but knowing that he was very very famous that people like to quote his teaching in videos. By looking at his various photos all naked with much show-off facial expressions and posts, and his back never sat straight which was not a good sign in spirituality. I cannot accept him as a real sage from my inner heart though I never tell anyone about this before. I also come across in videos knowing his teaching that animals can get enlightenment better than human which is really contradictory from the Vedanta scriptures. The way he praised animals in spiirituality I know he is not a real sage but very famous in world history.
WE ARE ALL ALREADY ENLIGHTENED. So there is nothing to do, only acknowledging your own divine true nature. we are already there. other then that, sure, there is a lot of inner work for us all, but it's not about enlightenment because we already are there. You don't need Hinduism, a guru, etc. although of course you can always benefit from the knowledge of others. Please reflect on this. Thank you.
Seems to me that if we are all enlightened as you claim then none of us here would need the advice you offer. On the other hand, if any of us needed that advice then it proves that we are not all already enlightened as you claim. So, are you certain that we are all enlightened or is that just a belief you hold?
@rsr9200 It's funny you should say that, It reminds my of the Zen Buddhism's "Koans" many of them are centered around this idea. To answer your question: I am certain that we are all god, and that we can't be "more" god then we're already are, (Or that some Guru is). It of course doesn't mean we don't have to walk the path of self discovery, or self knowing.
@@ilaysk It stands to reason that omniscient God does not “have to walk the path of self discovery, or self knowing”. This is because if omniscient God had any need to know it would make God non-omniscient which cannot be. So, if you are certain that we are God and if you are a reasoning individual it should be clear that there is no need for any of us to “walk the path of self discovery, or self knowing”. Therefore, I am not persuaded that your assertions here are logically sound.
Also, since you are certain we are all God it implies that you know you are God as well. Since there is only God, there is no second to God to offer advice to. Yet there was advice offered in your first post. What gives?
@rsr9200 Logic is not the answer to everything, it's just a tool. I would go by your arguments one by one but there is no need for that : If I am claiming there is only god, any form of dualism would supposedly make that non-dual statement (aka there is only god) invalid. all your arguments go to this point basically. Our minds are dualistic, therefore non-dualism will never "make sense". But it's OK. to answer your question: it's not a belief and I am not "certain" (as in knowledge of the mind), but I do "know" this, and knowing here means the knowledge of our true shared divinity. Go and try meditate on your true nature, and you tell me what's going on 😊🕉❤
@@ilaysk Well, logic may not be the answer to everything but any answer that is illogical must be rejected if we are to engage in a rational discourse! First, your assertion “We are all already enlightened” was shown to be absurd. Subsequently, your attempt at rationalizing that with the answer “I am certain that we are god” was shown to be absurd when considered in conjunction with your other assertions. Instead of accepting the illogic of your assertions you offer a rejoinder on your third attempt which is logically flawed as well. Now you question the need for rationality in this discussion! Since your interest in engaging in a rational discourse is unclear to me, I will not press this discussion further.
Rammana spent 10 years in a basement room and a cave with insects and rodents feeding off his body while not speaking. For many , that sort of enlightenment is not what they seek. In the end it varies for everyone, and the struggle to give up the sense of an individual self is not trivial. In the end, the lion must devour the very sheep that took it in, as that is its true nature. Similarly, Arjuna must return to the battlefield and kill the family that cared for him in the Gita, as that is his true nature as a warrior. Best wishes to all
Haha, shortcut to enlightenment 😆... reminds me of an advertisement I saw in the 1960s: 'Learn to play guitar like Jimi Hendrix in a week and impress your girlfriend!'
From the presentation it seems that Swamy Tadatmananda has not studied the teachings of Sri Ramana Maharishi. Some of the followers of Sri Maharishi may think that it is a short cut. It is called a direct method which is not short cut. In fact the Maharishi’s emphasis is taught in the Upanishads and reinforced by Sri Sankara’s commentaries. These characterizations such as neo Vedanta itself is a naming leading to a kind of identification which comes in the way of seeing the truth. These comments are not coming from trying to defend any position. If one wants to see the truth they need an open mind. A mind that is made up cannot learn anything new. This applies to worldly teachings. And certainly to the understanding beyond the mind
The preparations of sadhana such as Bahiranga sadhana, Antharanga sadhana and Sakshat Sadhana are actually effortless. The issue is wrong understanding of the word sadhana. Swami Tadatmananda will himself admit that he never gave up anything when he dedicated life to spiritual pursuits of the truth. Was it really a struggle as implied in this video.
Time element to mature is needed but it us not by ego based will.
So the premise that there is a long time element needed for being ready as a starting assumption is wrong. It varies based on the earnestness of the individual.
Ramana Maharishi emphasized importance of Guru in his conversations. If references are needed it can be provided. He never said he did not have teachers but to understand that, a limited fixation of teacher just to be another body only has to go
There are no shortcuts to anything lasting. Ramana Maharishi did not advocate that. Proper study of his teachings with right background in Sri Sankara Bhashya can allow one to appreciate the profundity of the teaching.
Ramana Maharishi’s teachings, Nisargadatt Maharaja’s teachings, swami Vivekananda’s teachings enrich one with pointers that can help with transcendence to the truth for their teachings though on surface may appear different speak to the same truth
Any binaries created is based on wrong understanding or short cut understanding of their teachings?is incorrect.
Again the point is not to defend any of these Mahatmas and their words. It is only to point out there is no difference or in the effectiveness of one who seeks to understand the oneness of the truth
Again offering these comments with full respect to Swami Tadatmananda
I did not conclude from this video that Sri Ramana Maharishi (SRM) advocated a “short cut” approach to moksha as you seem to suggest. Also, based on what I gleaned from other videos on this RUclips channel I am persuaded that Swamiji is familiar with the teachings of SRM despite your speculation to the contrary. Furthermore, as can be confirmed by a search on RUclips, several teachers in Swamiji’s Arsha sub-tradition, including his guru Pujya Swami Dayananda, have taught SRM’s Upadesha Saram. Therefore, I would be surprised if Swamiji were oblivious to SRM’s teachings.
As noted in this video, some prominent devotees of SRM promoting the “direct path” aka neo-Advaita suggest that a “short cut” for self-realization is available. Of course, since SRM devotes a significant portion of the Upadesha Saram to emphasize the need to prepare our mind, what is claimed by these neo-Advaita teachers is, arguably, not endorsed by SRM. Seems to me that this is what was implied in this video as I understood it.
@@rsr9200 Sri Ramana Maharishi (SRM) never said anything about short cuts, Swami Tadatmananda in this video talked against neo vedantins advocating such means and introduced SRM into the topic. I can only comment on the video as it stands and some contradictions implied.
SRM never called himself a teacher. he orthodoxy in the name of tradition rejected him during his times. He only spoke to people who had questions Some of this Questions and Answers are available, His works which he translated with Kavya Kanta Muni into Sanskrit are available. They are standard text in any Advita Vedanta ashrams, Why label SRM as a neo Vedantin and create a division. Was SRM teaching truth or falsity ? If it is truth does it come in the color of neo vedantin? The assumption with the term neo vedantin shows there is lack of not grasping what SRM taught through the works available to us. We cannot go by people who call themselves his students.
Also by saying there is preparation in time, and there is instant understanding of truth and then Nidhdhyasanam over time misses the truth in a basic manner. You cannot put timeless truth in the flow of time.
Sampradaya is often translated as tradition, It tradition is meant to indicate parampara then there can be no Vedanta with that approach. The term Samradaya has been explained by Sri Sankara in the Gita commetaries and elsewhere in detail. By that understanding SRM teaching as available in the texts are traditional. So drawing a binary choice between traditional and SRM as neo vedantin misses the point.
Short cuts do not work, So to use SRM work as an example for a thesis one must fully study the work of SRM preferable with someone who is well versed in Vedanta (Upanishad, Gita etc with Bhashya). Only then it is possible to appreciate the wisdom in SRM teachings in Sad darshanam, Upadesa Saaram, Ramana Gita etc.
I was primarily responding to use of terms such as neo use of words like neo vedantin etc to divide the truth which is contradictory to the truth. If what SRM said in the works (which is like Prakarana Grantha) then it is fine to air that. Veda including Vedanta is all about a methodology to approach based on prepredness of a student in terms of maturity. There are always people calling themselves as students of SRM, Sankara , Buddha etc but look for short cuts. No need to go after them but such people will not cease to appear. Our goal is only to stive to understand the truth that cannot be verbalized or reached by the mind. I did not see that spirit in this video by Swami T and hence felt to comment. Thanks for the engagement
@@home-person2800 You ask “Why label SRM as a neo Vedantin and create a division? Was SRM teaching truth or falsity?”.
As I understand SRM’s teachings, they never question the infallibility of the Upanishads aka Vedanta as the pramana (authoritative means of knowledge) for brahma-jnana. Hence, during his bodily existence, SRM was unquestionably a Vedantin and Swamiji seems to acknowledge that by characterizing SRM as a spiritual prodigy/genius.
As I heard it, the term used within the video to describe the teaching approach invented by some modern devotees of SRM is neo advaita. As I understand it, neo advaita does not accept the Upanishads as the pramana for brahma-jnana. Therefore, as I see it, while neo advaita may be influenced by the teachings of SRM it is not Vedanta.
Also, I do not see how being factual about the difference between neo advaita and traditional Advaita Vedanta creates a division. On the contrary, I would suggest that it is beneficial for us since it enables us to make informed choices in our sadhana. Furthermore, I fail to see how criticism of neo advaita amounts to deprecation of SRM’s teachings since the latter, by its acceptance of the authority of the Upanishads, is not neo advaita.
Although I do not agree with you on your characterization of this video, I accept your privilege to feel differently about it than I do.
@@rsr9200 This is not about discussion of opnions. The premise behind my comments are that all sincere sadhakas are in search of truth. Yukthi (reasons) is not contradictory to the truth though truth goes beyond levels of the mind. The attempt here is to substantiate a statement with reasons. If you take it is as just anoher opinion then there is nothing more to say.
When there are issues in presentation with intent to communicate means to reach the truth, then it is open to question assertions wherein new terms like neo vedantin are introduced. This term is not used only for students of SRM but to SRM teaching itself.
There are other video by Swami T to this effect. Will provide reference to those videos at the end.
Now characterizing a school of thought as dwitha or Visishta dwitha or Sunya vada is fine. One can point out issues with those schools of though and Sri Sankara in the Bhashya points them out. But in Mandukaya Karika (like Advita Prakaranam) Bhashya makes clear that Advita Vedanta has no issues with anyone.
Here neovedantin term is used in the spirit that neovedantin and their followers are somewhat ignorant. It is kind of name calling and it is not accurate in terms of characterization. But who is really ignorant. In chapter 13 verse 2 Bhashya Sri Sankara explains who is ignorant. I dont want to say much more here
Please view this video by Swami T (reference below) I used RUclips transcription facility to show what Swami T meant, for he claims teachings of Sri Ramakrishna, Ramana Maharishi as coming under the category of neo vedanta. He makes some kind of justification statement here to as SRM is a spiritual genius but implication is that neo vedanta as he calls is flawed. It is not about just students of SRM
Upanishads teach atma vidya. SRM teachings are in 100% alignment (Sad Darshanam and such texts) with Upanishad. So if someone follows that, they by their action are accepting veda as a Pramana regardless of what they know about Pramana.
The topic area of Upanishad is atma vidya only. But in asserting Veda is Pramana what is missed is that Atma is Aprameya (meaning no Pramana is needed and it cannot be known). So Sri Sankara in Gita Bhashyam in chapter 2 clarifies what is meant by Veda is a Pramana. There is lot more depth than anyone proclaiming Veda is a Pramana. Teachigs of SRM is Pramana because it is in alignment with Upanishad and Gita. But some of the statements under the banner of traditional teaching have been misquoting what Pujya Swamiji had said in this detailed teachings.
Anyway here is a reference to one of Swami T's video.
ruclips.net/video/R9pemPIBhLE/видео.htmlsi=qUhOplTyVaO4kZho
Please hear from 52:58 to 1:10:51
The characterization of teachings of Sri Ramakrishna , SRM , Swami Vivekananda as not authentic (beause they are neo vedanta) is wrong. One can question if their teachings are properly understood before making such assertions
I will stop here
@@home-person2800 You state “This is not about discussion of opinions………..The attempt here is to substantiate a statement with reasons.” Okay then, let us examine some of what you presented in these comments to see if they qualify as opinions or qualify as facts.
You noted earlier that “SRM never called himself a teacher”. Since he was not a teacher, reason dictates that SRM’s observations should not be called teachings by you. Yet you contradict reason by repeatedly referring to SRM’s observations as “teachings”. For instance, you say “This term (neo Vedanta) is not used only for students of SRM but to SRM teaching itself”. Therefore, reason suggests that the characterization of SRM’s observations as “teachings” is an opinion. Of course, despite that I have no objections to the use of that terminology as long as we recognize it for what it is.
Now, let us similarly examine your statement “Here neovedantin term is used in the spirit that neovedantin and their followers are somewhat ignorant. It is kind of name calling and it is not accurate in terms of characterization.” Without an extraordinary capability to read Swamiji’s mind it is impossible for us to infer the “spirit” of this presentation through reasoned logic. Hence, I would suggest that the aforesaid statement is an opinion. Further, prepending a term with the word “neo” does not somehow make the compounded term pejorative as you seem to suggest. If that were the case neonatologists all over the world would be up in arms denouncing rather than celebrating their professional designation.
Finally, let us examine the following two statements (1) “But in asserting Veda is Pramana what is missed is that Atma is Aprameya (meaning no Pramana is needed and it cannot be known); and (2) “Teachings of SRM is Pramana because it is in alignment with Upanishad and Gita”. Statement 2 claims that the “teachings of SRM” are a pramana for atma vidya while statement 1 dismisses the need for that pramana! I fail to see the logic here.
In summary, it is unlikely that our opinions about this video (or the older video referenced in your post) will converge. However, I am fine with that because I recognize that while traditional Advaita Vedanta suits my needs best the same may not be the case for all my friends. I take comfort in the Upanishadic revelation that despite seeming differences in our appearance we are indivisibly one in reality.