At what price does Zen 5 make sense?
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- Опубликовано: 18 ноя 2024
- Steve and Tim discuss Zen 5 pricing and what is should be, in order to make sense to purchase.
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At what price does Zen 5 make sense?
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Why the hell would people be looking to replace a perfectly good, nearly new, 7700x CPU to begin with? It doesn't make sense at any price. The 7700x wasn't the best value choice in that lineup when it was new either.
In summer I do appreciate lower power usage
it isn't lower power usage though... it's actually uses more.
Zen 5 launch is confusing and just plain unnecessary. Even with the new windows update gains it's just like whatever we have new things come and buy.
Meanwhile 7800x3d prices have gone up
Considering the lack of performance uptick and essentially the same process node, They should cost around the same as Zen 4, if not slightly higher.
They will when they're as old as Zen 4. It should be noted AMD hasn't reduced the wholesale price of Zen 4. The retailers reduced the retail price. If you adjust for inflation, they're already cheaper than Zen 4 was at launch. The 9600X made sense for me to purchase because of the lower TDP. Now if I can only exchange my spinning rust for magic sand.
They are selling this to companies and the want "the cut" of lowered power consumtion of them - gamers are a sideshow now
@@Jkaninteangemittnamn It's not just companies. 😀
asking if its worth upgrading from zen 4 to zen 5 is probably pretty obvious. better question is for those that have a CPU for +5 years, which is worth upgrading to.
The price for R5 7500F dropped from $160 to $120 in my country after 9600X was released. Got my self a 7500F and a MSI B650-A Pro. Could not be happier Win Win for me.
I have no reason to upgrade my 7800x3d with a 7900xtx. I drive 3 27" 1440p monitors and couldn't be happier. Runs smooth temps are good. Power draw is reasonable.
We don't need new CPU's every 2 years, we don't need new GPU's every 2 years. You guys might but we don't.
Look at Windows. 11 is a free upgrade. People are still using 10. Why? Because we don't need 11. It's not a money issue. In some Kardashian alternate Universe people might think they need new things every 2 years but here? Nope.
AMD is competing with itself, which generally isn't a great place to be. If your new chips dont't perform appreciably better than the old ones, then they essentially lose in that competition. The old chips being cheaper makes it even worse. So essentially Zen 5 has to wait until Zen 4 goes away. But if AM4 is any indication, AMD is making a lot of chips (for server/data center) and has lots of supply to get rid of. So Zen 4 might be sticking around for quite some time. Which puts Zen 5 largely on ice.
Even once Zen 4 goes away, Zen 5 will still have the stain of the poor launch, which means price will largely have to drop to Zen 4 levels to get consumers interested, which really makes the whole thing a wash, in terms of consumer sales.
I guess we really just have to wait until Zen 6.
People forget Intel had an entire generation (14th gen) have exactly 0% improvement over the previous generation (because they're the exact same chips with a 14 instead of a 13 on them) and BOTH generations (13 and 14) are failing on a level we haven't seen in decades.
"Me 2" is such a great track. Lakey Inspired must be one of your faves?
I want to upgrade...but just seems costly and i dunno if its just me but looking at am5 motherboards they do not seem a feature rich compared to am4 with sata ports anyway
I bought some excellent $60 ea B650 Aorus Elite AX (open box) deals a month before 9000 release. I am phasing out all but one AM4 system in the house while people are still paying enough to cover most all of the AM5 upgrade. I was planning on people to be selling off their placeholder 7500F/7600/7600x after 9600x/9700x upgrades.
Nope, the market has barely any 7600 out there. I did find one sealed in box 7600 for $150 but still need one more now.
Selling off two 5800x / x570s tomahawk / 32gb 3200mhz c16 to recoup the 7600/b650/32gb cl30 6000 upgrades. Should be no more than $0-40 out of pocket for each.
Zen 5 performance vs. Zen 4 may yet improve more over time as more software becomes better optimized to actually take advantage of the new architectural features in Zen 5
Even gaming performance is already up to 15% better in some games, so it seems possible that more games in the future will see that much additional performance in the future.
Zen 5 CPUs are also more energy efficient, but if you don't care about efficiency that much, they also overclock better than Zen 4, and you can get more performance out of them and still keep the power efficiency at a reasonable level.
For some applications, Zen 5 does make a lot of sense, but for now, I'd definitely recommend Zen 4 over Zen 5 for the vast majority of users.
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If Zen 5 has better memory controllers than zen 4 I would give it around 10-ish % price premium, but I think they're still the same. Therefore I'm sticking to ryzen 7 7700 that I've got from Aliexpress durring the anniversary sale for around 150$
Latency patch on the works, hopefully it increases the performance.
10-30$ more than current zen4
Zen 5 is just AM5's Zen+ for real
LMAO... For 9950x, should be 9950*5%=$497.5, with VAT around $530-559 at first launch. BTW, I saw limited time deal by Amazon AMD store on Thursday (or Wednesday? ) for $554-556, free shipping in US. But I thought it was still nonsense. Just rock my 7950x.
AM5 still doesn't make sense for most gamers unless you did a recent build. We're in a spot where upgrading CPUs isn't necessary when many generation old hardware maxes out most builds, let alone be good enough for the average gamer.
Where does the 8700G fit in there?
might as well call it zen 4+
If you have AM5 platform, nothing to see here, IF you have an older system and need a whole new system, Just gets what suits best, you have 2 cpu options to pick, the 9950x cause you want everything and game a bit and at 4k so its gpu bound anyways, And the 7800x3d for just gaming that still beats everything. This whole series is about making server market bloom and make money but its actually out of amd's control as dd4 is just cheaper at mega scale so until dd5 is cheap, its still not going to be purchased by huge server farms where all the actual money is.
Nice....yet another attack video on AMD....so that Shintel isn't looking bad when they continue to sell SELF-DEGRADING BURNING CPU-s.
at maybe 20$ more then zen4 counterparts are
I'm sorry but HUB clips XD
6 core - sub 150$. 8 core - 200$
If the price and power is same, then you will buy new one right.
Why would anyone who didn't feel the need to upgrade to Zen 4 be interested in Zen 5 at any price?
Why would anyone who bought Zen 4 be interested in the current Zen 5 lineup at any price.
Even if Zen 5 was 10 percent faster, it still wouldn't beat a 7800X3D for gaming.
Based on price trends, the current lineup is obviously NOT competitive with a 7800X3D
I can't see a big market for any CPU at any price until people upgrade GPUs again.
The 9950X might sell at current prices if there are enough people who benefit from AVX 512.
The performance gains there would make upgrading a 7950 worthwhile
Professional users who can benefit are likely waiting for a bit more stability in the BIOS and Windows drivers.
It doesn't, with 7800x3d being sold at such a good price. We're all in this for games, right?
Where are Zen 4 Prices coming Down?? The Price of the AM5 Ryzen 7800X 3D has just gone Up from: $525.00 Cad. to $569.00 Cad. !!!! That's a $44.00 Increase!!!!
People forget Intel had an entire generation (14th gen) have exactly 0% improvement over the previous generation (because they're the exact same chips with a 14 instead of a 13 on them) and BOTH generations (13 and 14) are failing on a level we haven't seen in decades. It only makes sense AMD is going to be aggressive on pricing while Intel is possibly going bankrupt.
You're leaving out the fact that each Intel gen is 1yr long and Zen 5 took 2 years. 12th -> 14th gen offers comparable or superior gaming uplift vs Zen 4->5. & from perspective of a consumer buying today, 14th gen is almost last gen at this point, for most of Zen 5's life it will be compared vs ARL. It's also probably less of an unmitigated disaster vs before the microcode update too. What are the odds that microcode doesn't fix the issue & ARL exhibits same issue when Intel has had months to prepare and it's on a different architecture?
Neither do I think "it only makes sense" AMD will be aggressive on pricing (they haven't yet) on Zen5 client desktop when enterprise/laptops are where most of volume/margins are. I doubt Intel's going bankrupt (even AMD didn't a decade ago and came back stronger than ever since) and even if it did, still doesn't change fact that Zen5 so far sucks, the benchmarks were misleading and shady as hell, and still has to compete against Zen4 parts. I don't like the whataboutism for a question that had little to do with Intel.
Speculating on future massive price cuts is probably a fool's errand, and I'm not arrogant enough to guess what a company will do to pricing because "it only makes sense". Neither do I think it matters much to people buying today.
@@BoredErica I wish I had the time and patience to read your novel, I really really do. You probably made a solid point.
For the 9950x 50 bucks?
Not AMD procing things poorly and having to lower prices because sales arent good. That's impossible
9000x is just a replacement for 7000x processors. So once 7000X is taken off the shelf 9000X will comedown in price. If not then buy 7000x instead of the 9000x cpus
A couple of days before you posted this 9000 prices went down. Even milk doesn't age that fast.
I must agree with that. My Zen 4 7950X is 699$CAD which is 46% more than the Zen 3 5950X but it is 38% faster. Moving to Zen 5 the 9950X is 899$CAD which is 29% more than the 7950X but it is only 6.7% faster. So from Zen 4 to Zen 5 the price bump is huge and the speed benefit is a joke!
Thank You/Merci Francois for chiming in on behalf of us 'Suffering Canadians' as we pay on average $200.00 more per Component vs the U.S. !!!
If you properly tune that 9950x it's at least 10% faster, at least.
@@jabronilifestyle You can also properly tune the 7950X and then you're back to 6.7% faster for the 9950X.
@@francoisleveille409 Except you're not. 9950X is at least 10% faster when tuned correctly vs a 7970x. It's not my fault you can't tune correctly.
@@jabronilifestyle So what you're saying is a customer is OBLIGATED to do some tuning in order to get what they paid for. Why don't we ask Louis Rossman what he thinks of that. It is your fault you say things that are totally misleading.
I feel like that’s a dumb question.
If you factor in that you can get used R7 7700/X for close to $200 off ebay, pretty much is the last nail in the coffin for 9000 series. It's crazy.
None. Spending more on cpu takes money from gpu
I recently bought a 7800X3D and I wouldn't buy any of the 9000 series.
Zen 5 needs to be 15% less than the Zen 4 for it to make sense.
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