I thought the job of the X ring was to keep the factory fitted grease in & moisture out. I don’t think that chain lube should be able to get past the X rings. The Lube should coat the rollers to reduce friction between the sprockets & rollers?
That's exactly what I thought. How do we know this owner who has an immaculate bike hasn't been jet washing that chain? That would explain the lack of grease in the shown link and the wear.
A chain that goes tight and loose can also be caused by poor quality eccentric sprockets. Chances are this damage was caused by over application of dry lube which is very thin and has probably got behind the seals and driven the grease out
Same here. O- ring and X ring chains provide sealed grease for the pins (maintenance free). Applying the spray is to help with corrosion and lube for the rollers on the bushes, which the rollers move on. Spraying on the inside of the chain will have a better chance of getting the lube in and around the bushes and rollers.
@JayGee6996 not a chance dry lube has pushed grease out from the x / o rings. It's job is to lubricate the outside of the rollers and to keep the seals healthy. It's quite possible that's just a crap chain or wasn't even lubricated correctly at the factory where it's made.
I thought the orings keep the chain sealed to the outside isnt that the job of an oring to seal. I assumed the chain lube is lubticaing the outside surface of the chain ,im now confused.
Answering my own thoughts the roller part of both my aprilia chains has a little sideways slop so I think the best place to spray chain lube would be in there .
I would say that this absolutely applies to 80's chains pre o / x ring, when you were told this originally but my understanding is that the seals are there to keep shit out including lube which attracts grit. The lube is there for chain / sprocket / roller friction? I'm going old school with plain chain and split link and remove and soak in oil every month. The o ring idea is great for daily commutes through British sludge to cut down maintenance time but not so much for modern fair weather thoroughbreds.
What does it sling like? My 22 TV4 has red wheels and after it went to the dealer for a service the rear wheel was more black than red by the time I’d ridden the 3 miles home. I’ve since only used mucoff dry lube to get less sling, but I properly clean and lube it every 2-300 miles. I’m now off into my garage to check my tension around the full length of the chain….
I find it hard to believe that anything other than a high-pressure washer would get past the O-rings. Could you do an experiment before and after and then open the link to confirm that lube has penetrated past the O-ring? That would be the proof that we are all looking for.
They won't, because as you correctly surmised, spraying low pressure lube on an O ring, or X ring is not going to penetrate it. The whole idea of the O-Ring chain is to keep the factory grease in place, and contaminants out. Exactly the same as modern day suspension bits on a car.... lubed for the life of the component.
@@jadelowrey3451 yea we did an experiment with theguy named in the video called Rob ......he used the lube in the oprescribed manner and the results were as shown ..... still got the parts if you want to come to the shop ... happy to help
@@BikenutGB the manufacturer ive spoken to bout this prolifically recommended that that this shouldnt be done as the petroleum based products attack the orings/x rings .... and damages them ....
@@APWorkshops I was mostly replying to the method of lubricating a chain, which is the correct way to do it. Your chain lube isn't. I've been doing it that way for 49 years and it is the best way to lube a chain.
@@APWorkshops I was mostly replying to the method of lubricating a chain, which is the correct way to do it. Your chain lube isn't. I've been doing it that way for 49 years and it is the best way to lube a chain.
Great video, getting a good debate going in the comments. What condition were the O rings in when it came apart? Something to consider. Its ok to get 30K miles on a chain, the metal parts. But for me that would take years of riding, I'd be worried about the rubber o rings perishing and potentially falling out.😄
It's over cleaning that's the problem, chain cleaner gets past the o-x rings and dries out the factory grease, especially parefin ect, use a cloth lightly coated with cleaner and rub chain surface, I only use dry lube.
Great video. Tip: Rear paddock stand and my wife's hairdryer (don't tell her otherwise I will get banned from riding!) and rotate the rear wheel whilst holding the dryer about 3 inhes (old school) on a low / medium setting for about 2 minutes. Feel the chain, then spray...Of course nothing beats a ride.
You guys should talk to a chain manufacturer, or a real engineer. You make yourselves look foolish spouting this ridiculous stuff.... and calling the liquid a "propellant"???. Basically Every single thing you said in this video is incorrect.
Love your channel and since owning my 2014 RSV4 Factory and 2017 RSV4-RF since 2020 and 2023, I find your vids very helpful when it comes to basic maintaining. But I must say this vid doesn't sit with me well. I have always understood the X shaped O rings hold in the factory grease from when the chains are put together and when fitting a chain we are advised to place some grease/chainlube etc onto the pins and holes where they slide through prior to fitting the O rings and finally fitting the outer plate. The O rings are designed in such a way as to prevent water getting through. We are advised to only spray lube between the plates and leave the rollers dry otherwise they'll collect grit and dirt. Chains are the most important part of the bike and some folk don't even bother maintaining it on a regular basic, whether thats cleaning, lubing or adjusting.
I bought two cans of that lube when i saw the first video you posted. Easily the best lube ive used, i even ask ducati to not service the chain on my bike because i prefer to use that lube.
I mean what’s up with this basic ass Info. Show some real work. I’ve worked for Aprilia for years now. So I’ve seen some shit, I’m sure you have too. Show some real mechanics shit.
😳 Really? Is there really any need for that sort of comment?! You’d be surprised at how many people ask for what you call the ‘basic ass’ information… If it’s not for you - because you clearly already know it all - then why not just move on? No need for this kind of comment is there really?! 😑
listen fella , theres plenty of other videos showing you " real mechanics shit " if you want em ....you only scroll through the extensive selection , mean time ......no need for that kind comment on here .... im gonna ask you nicely to keep it civil ....
I get all stoked that there’s a video up. Only to find out. It’s cleaning a chain or airing up tires or changing a battery. You even said you’re redoing this video. It’s stale content. But all good I’ll leave.
I thought the job of the X ring was to keep the factory fitted grease in & moisture out. I don’t think that chain lube should be able to get past the X rings. The Lube should coat the rollers to reduce friction between the sprockets & rollers?
That's exactly what I thought. How do we know this owner who has an immaculate bike hasn't been jet washing that chain? That would explain the lack of grease in the shown link and the wear.
A chain that goes tight and loose can also be caused by poor quality eccentric sprockets. Chances are this damage was caused by over application of dry lube which is very thin and has probably got behind the seals and driven the grease out
If that is not happening with the x-ring style TOP $$ chains, they are sure selling us snake oil bullshit.
Same here. O- ring and X ring chains provide sealed grease for the pins (maintenance free). Applying the spray is to help with corrosion and lube for the rollers on the bushes, which the rollers move on. Spraying on the inside of the chain will have a better chance of getting the lube in and around the bushes and rollers.
@JayGee6996 not a chance dry lube has pushed grease out from the x / o rings. It's job is to lubricate the outside of the rollers and to keep the seals healthy. It's quite possible that's just a crap chain or wasn't even lubricated correctly at the factory where it's made.
I thought the orings keep the chain sealed to the outside isnt that the job of an oring to seal.
I assumed the chain lube is lubticaing the outside surface of the chain ,im now confused.
Answering my own thoughts the roller part of both my aprilia chains has a little sideways slop so I think the best place to spray chain lube would be in there .
I would say that this absolutely applies to 80's chains pre o / x ring, when you were told this originally but my understanding is that the seals are there to keep shit out including lube which attracts grit. The lube is there for chain / sprocket / roller friction? I'm going old school with plain chain and split link and remove and soak in oil every month. The o ring idea is great for daily commutes through British sludge to cut down maintenance time but not so much for modern fair weather thoroughbreds.
What does it sling like? My 22 TV4 has red wheels and after it went to the dealer for a service the rear wheel was more black than red by the time I’d ridden the 3 miles home.
I’ve since only used mucoff dry lube to get less sling, but I properly clean and lube it every 2-300 miles.
I’m now off into my garage to check my tension around the full length of the chain….
Was that the master link that you removed?
I get it 👍
I find it hard to believe that anything other than a high-pressure washer would get past the O-rings. Could you do an experiment before and after and then open the link to confirm that lube has penetrated past the O-ring? That would be the proof that we are all looking for.
They won't, because as you correctly surmised, spraying low pressure lube on an O ring, or X ring is not going to penetrate it. The whole idea of the O-Ring chain is to keep the factory grease in place, and contaminants out. Exactly the same as modern day suspension bits on a car.... lubed for the life of the component.
@@jadelowrey3451 yea we did an experiment with theguy named in the video called Rob ......he used the lube in the oprescribed manner and the results were as shown ..... still got the parts if you want to come to the shop ... happy to help
You did the very same video a few years back😂😂😂 with exactly the same comments from youtubers.
You guys are the greatest thank you
Quit buying the overpriced chain lubes ans cleaner.
Get some 85/95 weight gear oil for lube and some diesel or kerosene for a cleaner.
The correct way to lube a chain, none of this spray rubbish.
@@BikenutGB the manufacturer ive spoken to bout this prolifically recommended that that this shouldnt be done as the petroleum based products attack the orings/x rings .... and damages them ....
@@APWorkshops I was mostly replying to the method of lubricating a chain, which is the correct way to do it. Your chain lube isn't. I've been doing it that way for 49 years and it is the best way to lube a chain.
@@APWorkshops I was mostly replying to the method of lubricating a chain, which is the correct way to do it. Your chain lube isn't. I've been doing it that way for 49 years and it is the best way to lube a chain.
What lube is it ?
AP Workshops, any response to these comments?
Great video, getting a good debate going in the comments. What condition were the O rings in when it came apart?
Something to consider. Its ok to get 30K miles on a chain, the metal parts. But for me that would take years of riding, I'd be worried about the rubber o rings perishing and potentially falling out.😄
What brand is that lubricant. Need to order some to the U.S.
I found it on the website. Cheers mate
Morris Oils (Shrewsbury) 👍
It's over cleaning that's the problem, chain cleaner gets past the o-x rings and dries out the factory grease, especially parefin ect, use a cloth lightly coated with cleaner and rub chain surface, I only use dry lube.
how do you cope with the pin wear ??
That chain looks like it was tight and misalligned
it was .... to demonstrate the point clearer on film
Great video as always with the tech series stuff you do.. Still using the morris chain lube on my Tuono I got from yourselves. Thumbs up
Great video. Tip: Rear paddock stand and my wife's hairdryer (don't tell her otherwise I will get banned from riding!) and rotate the rear wheel whilst holding the dryer about 3 inhes (old school) on a low / medium setting for about 2 minutes. Feel the chain, then spray...Of course nothing beats a ride.
Or buy a drag chain with no seals and clean and oil every ride.
You guys should talk to a chain manufacturer, or a real engineer. You make yourselves look foolish spouting this ridiculous stuff.... and calling the liquid a "propellant"???. Basically Every single thing you said in this video is incorrect.
we did .........and that video was the result of consulting experts .....
Love your channel and since owning my 2014 RSV4 Factory and 2017 RSV4-RF since 2020 and 2023, I find your vids very helpful when it comes to basic maintaining. But I must say this vid doesn't sit with me well. I have always understood the X shaped O rings hold in the factory grease from when the chains are put together and when fitting a chain we are advised to place some grease/chainlube etc onto the pins and holes where they slide through prior to fitting the O rings and finally fitting the outer plate. The O rings are designed in such a way as to prevent water getting through. We are advised to only spray lube between the plates and leave the rollers dry otherwise they'll collect grit and dirt. Chains are the most important part of the bike and some folk don't even bother maintaining it on a regular basic, whether thats cleaning, lubing or adjusting.
Utter nonsense 🤣🤣🤣
Good clip sir, makes sense. Just about to buy some off your website and give it a go but aint spending £9 for delivery sorry pal.
You expect them to throw it to you?
£9 for postage or free postage on eBay for the same product. Do the math genius, which would you choose.
I bought two cans of that lube when i saw the first video you posted. Easily the best lube ive used, i even ask ducati to not service the chain on my bike because i prefer to use that lube.
I mean what’s up with this basic ass Info. Show some real work. I’ve worked for Aprilia for years now. So I’ve seen some shit, I’m sure you have too. Show some real mechanics shit.
😳 Really? Is there really any need for that sort of comment?!
You’d be surprised at how many people ask for what you call the ‘basic ass’ information… If it’s not for you - because you clearly already know it all - then why not just move on? No need for this kind of comment is there really?! 😑
listen fella , theres plenty of other videos showing you " real mechanics shit " if you want em ....you only scroll through the extensive selection , mean time ......no need for that kind comment on here .... im gonna ask you nicely to keep it civil ....
I get all stoked that there’s a video up. Only to find out. It’s cleaning a chain or airing up tires or changing a battery. You even said you’re redoing this video. It’s stale content. But all good I’ll leave.
Jog on fella. Go and get stoked somewhere else.
@@ducaduke cool ....have a nice day