Hall Effect sticks are better than Potentiometer sticks in one specific are, but will not neccessarily make a difference.The part in each of them that determines position, is the key difference. Potentiometer requires physical contact to detect change, meanwhile Hall Effect does not since it uses a magnetic field. Which means there is wear and tear in potentiometers and an inherit physical resistance which will change over time. Both can have quite big ranges in resolution, depending on voltage range in a potentiometer and magnetic field range in Hall Effect sensors. There are potentiometers which won't wear down in years of using them, cancelling out the need to ever use Hall Effect sticks. And there are more parts on the controller which will likely wear out before the sensors. Hall Effect sensors does not require software to interpret the signals, the magnetic field is mapped to voltage. Same as potentiometers. What you've discovered however, is that there are products using poorly made Hall Effect sensors. Equally there are also poorly made potentiometers. What is more important, is what you've tested for, the resolution, samplerate and if there's any other means of input delay. Stick drift is always present, because a stick can never be 100% centered.
Interesting, I didn't know hall effect didn't need software. But it does seem that every HE controller uses software, and the good ones need to be calibrated to be precise. The fact that my Gamesir sticks need to be calibrated tells me there's something extra going on between my input and the controllers output. Potentiometers are dead precise and never need to be calibrated. Why do HE sticks need to be calibrated?
@@acfire9227 many of these companies are notorious for adding built in dead zones to their controllers so they can market the whole "stick drift free" gimmick. TMR sticks like the Gamesir Tarantula pro you mentioned in the video seem to be the step up to hall effect sticks, hopefully more brands use them.
@@itsprod.472 Exactly, your dead on correct. The problem is a ton of people simply aren't good enough to feel the built in deadzone or response curve throwing them off. For example, when I tested the Razer Wolverine v2 chroma I could tell immediately that it had built in deadzone's. I loved the controller, but the deadzone's made it unusable. They of course did that so casuals didn't complain about stick drift.
I love these conversations man, I can spend all day learning and reading about this stuff. Isn't the kaleid supposed to be using radial calculation for the movement (center is 0, mid way is 5 end is 10 in any direction) ? As opposed to the more traditional + axis movent (left, right, down, up, reach 10 in these directions but 7 in the horizontal corners) ?
0:51 several pro players and top amateurs in halo use Hall effect thumbsticks. The gamesir g7SE is what they use. I know LQgend uses it. There is also an Apex Legends pro known as Snip3down who plays with the razer wolverine v3 pro. With that being said, Hall effect sticks are still largely pretty bad. Just a select few that are good.
I'm pretty sure Halo pro's aren't aloud to use PS controllers because Halo is affiliated with Microsoft, default Xbox controllers are 125hz so using the G7SE makes sense imo. Xbox sticks are actually really good but 125hz should've been gone 10 years ago. I'm pretty sure Snipe only uses the Razer because he's sponsored, there's a good chance he doesn't even actually use it. Just like how Scuf sponsored cod pro's almost all use battle beavers. That Razer controller has worse sticks than the G7SE. And so far I've been loving my Tarantula pro btw, which is Hall Effect TMR. Still feels a little less snappy than a PS controller though.
@ He’s sponsored and actually uses it. Also I never said anything about playatation controllers. However, I think I saw Royal 2 using a dualsense controller at worlds. Not entirely sure though. I believe they’re actually allowed to use PlayStation controllers on PC. I also read on a Microsoft forum that Xbox controllers are capable of 4ms response time on their console, so it’s at least 250 hz. Some Microsoft employee at the time said so.
Don't pay attention to this guy 😂 most pros use playstation, in the 20 best controllers for competition the only HE is the wolverine V3 Seems like one of those guys trying to validate they 30 usd purchase (g7se) by talking nonsense.
thank you. i cant stand the hype from the casual gamers. I bet they all play with a big a** deadzone. This would ruin my competetive games. Because i play on low deadzone too. I even play without aim assist, but with gyro.
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the problem is that there is no QC on how brands tune them or make them, from what I heard the ones from Flydigi are really good
Hall Effect sticks are better than Potentiometer sticks in one specific are, but will not neccessarily make a difference.The part in each of them that determines position, is the key difference. Potentiometer requires physical contact to detect change, meanwhile Hall Effect does not since it uses a magnetic field. Which means there is wear and tear in potentiometers and an inherit physical resistance which will change over time. Both can have quite big ranges in resolution, depending on voltage range in a potentiometer and magnetic field range in Hall Effect sensors. There are potentiometers which won't wear down in years of using them, cancelling out the need to ever use Hall Effect sticks. And there are more parts on the controller which will likely wear out before the sensors.
Hall Effect sensors does not require software to interpret the signals, the magnetic field is mapped to voltage. Same as potentiometers.
What you've discovered however, is that there are products using poorly made Hall Effect sensors. Equally there are also poorly made potentiometers. What is more important, is what you've tested for, the resolution, samplerate and if there's any other means of input delay.
Stick drift is always present, because a stick can never be 100% centered.
Interesting, I didn't know hall effect didn't need software.
But it does seem that every HE controller uses software, and the good ones need to be calibrated to be precise.
The fact that my Gamesir sticks need to be calibrated tells me there's something extra going on between my input and the controllers output. Potentiometers are dead precise and never need to be calibrated. Why do HE sticks need to be calibrated?
@@acfire9227 many of these companies are notorious for adding built in dead zones to their controllers so they can market the whole "stick drift free" gimmick. TMR sticks like the Gamesir Tarantula pro you mentioned in the video seem to be the step up to hall effect sticks, hopefully more brands use them.
@@itsprod.472 Exactly, your dead on correct. The problem is a ton of people simply aren't good enough to feel the built in deadzone or response curve throwing them off.
For example, when I tested the Razer Wolverine v2 chroma I could tell immediately that it had built in deadzone's. I loved the controller, but the deadzone's made it unusable. They of course did that so casuals didn't complain about stick drift.
@@acfire9227 oh yes i have the build in deadzones in my Hori steam controller and it makes it unusable for me sadly
I love these conversations man, I can spend all day learning and reading about this stuff. Isn't the kaleid supposed to be using radial calculation for the movement (center is 0, mid way is 5 end is 10 in any direction) ? As opposed to the more traditional + axis movent (left, right, down, up, reach 10 in these directions but 7 in the horizontal corners) ?
0:51 several pro players and top amateurs in halo use Hall effect thumbsticks. The gamesir g7SE is what they use. I know LQgend uses it. There is also an Apex Legends pro known as Snip3down who plays with the razer wolverine v3 pro.
With that being said, Hall effect sticks are still largely pretty bad. Just a select few that are good.
I'm pretty sure Halo pro's aren't aloud to use PS controllers because Halo is affiliated with Microsoft, default Xbox controllers are 125hz so using the G7SE makes sense imo. Xbox sticks are actually really good but 125hz should've been gone 10 years ago.
I'm pretty sure Snipe only uses the Razer because he's sponsored, there's a good chance he doesn't even actually use it. Just like how Scuf sponsored cod pro's almost all use battle beavers. That Razer controller has worse sticks than the G7SE.
And so far I've been loving my Tarantula pro btw, which is Hall Effect TMR. Still feels a little less snappy than a PS controller though.
@ He’s sponsored and actually uses it. Also I never said anything about playatation controllers. However, I think I saw Royal 2 using a dualsense controller at worlds. Not entirely sure though. I believe they’re actually allowed to use PlayStation controllers on PC.
I also read on a Microsoft forum that Xbox controllers are capable of 4ms response time on their console, so it’s at least 250 hz. Some Microsoft employee at the time said so.
Don't pay attention to this guy 😂 most pros use playstation, in the 20 best controllers for competition the only HE is the wolverine V3
Seems like one of those guys trying to validate they 30 usd purchase (g7se) by talking nonsense.
@@pandoro2003 I don’t even own the g7SE, I’m simply stating my observation.
thank you. i cant stand the hype from the casual gamers. I bet they all play with a big a** deadzone. This would ruin my competetive games. Because i play on low deadzone too. I even play without aim assist, but with gyro.
Do one with tmr vs regular controllers
do u have a tapstrafe on roller?
No I only tap strafe on MnK. And tap strafing was banned from roller like a 8 months ago
@@acfire9227yea ik just 31:57 looked sus
@@acfire9227sry bro I didn’t notice that it’s mnk😂
What controller do you recommend that have hall effect sticks?
Like i would get T4 Pro but if there's a cheaper option like g7se and T7 i would appreciate it
Fly digi are kinda the best ones RN and are well priced
@@negative7271 Haven't tried FlyDigi myself.
@@Dstrochem If I was on a budget I'd just get a PS controller and learn how to claw.
If you must get a HE, I'd recommend the Tarantula pro.