Hey friends, as always, thank you for watching. This was a different outing than usual, but I wanted to see what it was all about. If you'd like to visit the Sage Wall yourself, here's a link to their website sagemountain.org/tours/ Due to high demand, you may expect a delay in email response time from them
Thank you for making this episode. I visited the Sage wall in last September and met Chris in person. It still baffles me that if it’s natural, or man made, or the combination. If the wall was made by human interference more than 12000 years ago for marking an astronomical phenomenon such as solstices or equinoxes, the alignment now would be a bit different from then due to precession.
Watching this video as a professional geologist I would say the Sage Wall is a natural dike intruded along a linear fracture in older rock. One should approach this not by trying to prove it is a wall but trying to prove it is not a dike. Igneous rock such as granite typically include subtle features such as mineralization bands, smaller dikes, etc. If any of these features traverse from one block to another then it strongly suggests the rocks are not stacked but in situ. The knobs are clearly darker rock and are likely pieces of the original older more mafic rock that the granite intruded into and incorporated as part of the granitic melt. They are referred to as xenoliths. Differential weathering gives them relief. The potholes are natural throughout granitic terrane. Large ones are called tanks on topos. Water ponds in small depressions and eventually breaks down the feldspars in the rock weathering them to clay.
100%...and that is speaking as a "geology minor" in college...someone who has been a rock climber since 1968 (professionally since the 80s)...and someone that specialized in vernacular folk architecture including cyclopean stone work and other lithic replication. This is a natural formation...plane and simple, which is not to say it does not hold significant importance to past indigenous cultures yet sadly is now in private ownership. Thankfully the current owners display a level of respect many do not have...
my thoughts exactly! Even the features alluted to be "modified" are really common forms of natural granite weathering. I'm sorry Desert Drifter, but this doesn't pass the sniff test.
While this is obviously a natural igneous dike, we still don't know if or how it has been _used._ Aligning with a solstice would make this natural feature especially attractive to work with. Without the weird dolmens in the area (e.g. "pink vault", "tizer dolmen" and "evergreen dolmen"), it would be easy to dismiss this site as a fortuitous fluke. It is a pity our host didn't visit those; I hope it is not too late. The "Colorado Forest Beings" channel explores undeniable, seismically fragile constructions in SE Colorado mountains that are visibly maintained, maybe for Ute shaman activity, some even with ceremonial remains under. If anything here is made, it is likely for a similar purpose, and like those will have taken full advantage of natural features, tempting shallow dismissal. People have been in North America for tens of thousands of years, plenty of time for any amount of cultural evolution. Human activity is in no sense extraordinary; it is expected. Shallow dismissal is just laziness.
We are selling 6 acres with a n newly remodeled 4-5 bedroom between devil's head and pike's peak I am too old but the young people?? Surrounded by national forest , a smart non profit could look for those vacationing big foots.
Shout-out to the land owners for letting people come see their interesting rock formation. It's definitely nice to be able have that be seen by anyone interested.
Are you kidding? they charge money /admission to see this 'ancient rock wall'...Its a business. ..why do you think the new landowners created this narrative.
I see nothing other than amazing natural formation the video only reinforced this with the amazing formations shown in the second site. Take a look a t the giants causeway in the UK which extends from Scotland to Ireland under the Irish Sea...did aliens or a previous intelligent civilisation create this.....its all nonsense
What I like about Desert Drifter is that he keeps a clear distinction between facts and his imagination (in all his videos). Showing not only Sage Wall but also several other sites for comparison, is one of the strong points of this episode. As for the Sage Wall, I think knowing more about the research (non destructive scanning) of what is underneath the earth behind the wall, and a Lidar image of the wider area would be very helpful in forming an idea about the origin of the wall.
Sadly, this episode skirts the question posed at its outset. The wall itself is _obviously_ a natural igneous dike like others shown, and of course displays features of natural rock. While it is useful to have noted that those features are natural, the presenter does not check carefully for details that would indicate human alterations to the site. We know of many other sites in North America that use often minor alterations to natural features to act as solstice and equinox calendars. Details of interest would include compass orientations of top-course rocks, and the numerous dolmens in the immediate area. Other commenters have demanded "extraordinary evidence", as if human activity were some kind of "extraordinary claim", but human activity in a place where people have been for tens of thousands of years is about as ordinary as there is. All we need is ordinary evidence, and it is unfortunate that the creator does not examine any.
@@sciptick I've often speculated that if ones ancient tribe were to desire a giant rock wall, it might be easier for them to simply excavate around a natural dike and modify the existing natural structure.
On the page titled Ancient Connection Collection on the original Montana Megaliths website, I compare features at the Montana Megaliths with known megalithic sites all over the world. Google Julie Ryder Montana Megaliths and take a look at the other 111 megalithic sites one of which is Sage Wall.
There's ranches in the U.S. that cover hundreds of thousands of acres. Sometimes it hard to imagine how big that is until you say a ranch is 30 miles (or more) on each side.
@@Jmccalmont "... and seldom was heard... a discouraging word... and the skies are not cloudy all day." Something like that anyways. You know, enough land where the deer and the antelope can play like the song says, and you get to go out and watch them.
Thanks for confirming I can now cross strange rock formation off my list of things that are not definitely not this elusive firewall! Process of elimination.
I’ve had many people request that I do a video on this from a geologist’s perspective. I’m not sure I need to now. You did a great job! I would take a quite similar approach.
Your excellent City Wall video really did a great job of explaining how these form and was the first thing I thought of when I watched this. Love your channel.
Andrew - while you were testing the metal content of the stone @ 09:23, I noted a slight reddish stain. Was that indicative of a slightly elevated iron content thereby allowing the magnet to 'adhere' in those areas? The lighting seemed to change during your trip while documenting the Sage Wall, so I didn't observe the reddish cast in all areas, but that said, it is an interesting phenomenon.
Lake Superior Provincial Park in Ontario has a great example of the opposite effect. On Agawa Rock Pictographs Trail there is a place where the magmatic intrusion has eroded away leaving the surrounding granite as cliffs on either side of a deep chasm.
There is no reasonable doubt an igneous dike is here. At issue is if that is all that is here, or if people have modified the site. We know anyway the knobs and hollows are not evidence for the latter.
I've seen documentaries about other rock wall like formations & was astonished by how man made they looked only to be determined as natural. They were testing the direction of the rocks natural magnetic orientation. They tested a wall that was miles long and absolutely looked man-made to me and determined that it was natural. They determined that the magnetics of every stone of the entire length of the wall was going the same direction which meant that wall has been there in that position for millions of years so it can't be man made. They said if the magnetic directions had been willy-nilly pointing in all different directions it would show that the rocks were gathered from other places and assembeled.
I thought the rock wall in Texas was man made so much so that I would have bet money on it. Turns out it is natural. Funny what our eyes see and hearts desire plays such a significant role in the analysis.
@@adahy123 That may be the exact one I watched about the magnetic testing. I'm a documentary junkie & watch so many I sometimes don't remember where I get my information from LOL but that sounds like an America Unearthed type of video and I watch a lot of those
But that doesn’t mean they didn’t chisel (or break) the rocks that were there and honed to look better into a formation. Could have been an entryway to something they held high.
The interesting thing is the congruent vertical "joints". I'm not a professional either, but masons, even the ancient masons, typically space joints in an alternating pattern for stability and strength. I'm betting these are natural.
Excellent observation. This is "wall building with blocks 101" and is the sort of thing smart kids figure out in kindergarten through simple trial and error.
The portion of the video showing where the wall was perfectly aligned except for the end, where a piece started sliding down, exemplifies this point. Had this been manmade and they had any inclination of engineering or masonry, they wouldn't have intentionally made that horizontal joint curved. If you're going through the effort to match and fit two immensely heavy stones together, you're not going to willingly choose to make them inherently unstable by using a downward sloping joint. It's not just illogical, that's going magnitudes of order into illogical.
Mother Nature is the artist. Father Time, the critic. Mother Nature and Father Time occasionally put away their differences to get together and collaborate on constructing puzzles or making up riddles for us to solve, question or find the answers to them.
I appreciate you videos so much. I've lived in the southwest all my life (except 2 years out of country) and hiked and camped a great deal. Now that I'm approaching 77, my hiking has slowed. So I now live vicariously through your adventures. Thank you
Me too.....raised in Montana, hiked to the summits there, dived into the glacial lakes just to say I did. Loved the southwest desert for the contrast. Now at 75....I go with the Desert Drifter....as it's his time. I live in rural France now for 14 years, actually found an old Roman stone fountain in the middle of a forest depression. It was built in the 100 to 200 a.d. keep exploring! My spirit prays for your well-being ongoing in your adventures.
Thanks for a great video! But there's a thing here nobody's pointing out...no mason will line up their vertical joints. This whole formation is cool, but made by nature for sure.
Before reaching a conclusion, watch this episode of Joe Rogan's interview of Graham Hancock, starting at the 1:05:57 mark. There are a lot of comments from people who seem to 100% believe this is natural--even not having been there. Apparently, not all the experts agree.
@@carolinamay8328 Yeah sure. A conspiracy theory nutcase interviewing a psedoarchaeologist nutcase.... If either of those two told me the time I would check the nearest clock.
As a natural stone wall builder, the sage wall looks exactly how we buil retaining walls. Face of presentation smooth and straight. Backside gets filled in so we pay no mind to how it looks. This site has been on my radar for awhile 👌
The geologists who say otherwise are literally judging from pictures. This shares similarities with other megalithic walls around the world like Sacsayhuaman in Peru.
That's exactly what I was thinking. If I was going to do a flat step on a hill with a stone retainer, that's exactly how I would do it. Big though, impressively big.
@dubselectorr345 I've been there, too. Not at all the same. If you think it's "too straight", you don't have much experience with jointed granite. You don't believe the geologists know what they are talking about? Who would you believe; only other amateurs who say it's man-made?
I'm not a geologist, but I've explored Nevada for half a century now. My guess, based upon what's presented in the video, is these are natural formations along fault lines, altered by weathering and nature over seventy-five million years. A prime example are the formations you show at 29:00 minutes into the video. There's little question, those are natural faults and headwalls and footwalls. I've seen countless examples of this, albeit on a smaller scale, in exploring abandoned mines. I applaud your unbiased explanations here, and on the many other videos you've produced. Thank you for sharing your passion with us....
Man made perfect straight line to winter solstice. Summer solstice! That is the best evidence! No way that happens naturally!... Make the trip for summer and winter solstice...😮😮
More likely these are granite intrusions as other plutons were forced up into the batholith. Theres ridges like this all over the boulder batholith where this one is located.
I struggle with mental illnesses and watching videos helps me in a lot of ways. Your videos are very calming to me. I really enjoy the places you go and how you explore. You do a great job narrating and mixing information with your own thoughts and asking for information when you're not sure. Thank you for doing this. I appreciate you and your awesome wife!! Stay safe out there!! 🤓
Retired carpenter here, you’re going to want to cut your baseboard outside corners at 46 degrees not 45. Keeps that outside edge nice and crisp. Just sayin.
Andrew I’m so glad you and Ev were able to make this trip, I’ve been so curious about this site. Thanks for taking us along on this journey to a place of such mystery and recent interest, you rock!
Thank you for using the surrounding area as context. I've watched a couple videos on the Sage Wall and they only talked about the wall itself and nothing about the area as a whole.
Another study on the Sage Wall revealed that what appeared to be joints on the front side were not evident on the opposite side. The opposite side was solid where there should’ve been a joint.
What would be the purpose of a wall at this site? Defensive walls generally run around hills to protect a stronghold at the summit, not parallel to the slope. In most of the places you've shown us there have been artifacts - pot sherds, knapping flakes, grinding stones - but none here? Civilizations are messy and leave stuff behind, and i understand that no excavations have been done here but I seriously doubt any artifacts would be found. To my slightly educated eye this is a natural geologic formation.
Knapping flakes can be found anywhere so I would not be surprised. Ancient people might find such natural wonders mystical so there well might be artifacts to be found if the area is well excavated. That however would not indicate people made it. They just went to experience it. Pot shards would be my first bet, but the fact that there are no petroglyphs is almost weird. Maybe it is too remote and out of reach.
You don't even need to be educated to know this is natural. It's just a jumble of rocks with slightly square edges. Just picture any rock you've seen with a colored band in it. This is just a band of rock that is harder than what's around it. And being crystaline it fractures with straight edges. Really easy to comprehend
There's a not dissimilar rock wall formation in Rockwall Texas. The debate about whether it was manmade or naturally occuring was a subject of intense debate for a century or so. Recently, it was discovered that the orientation of the magnetic fields in the individual stones are all aligned. More or less proving that it's a naturally formed feature and the individual stones were all one monolithic form before fracturing into the pattern seen today. And so settling the debate for everyone except those who propose an ancient community of builders who were somehow aware of the existence of magnetism and it's properties, and had somehow developed a way to test, cut, and assemble stones so that all the fields are perfectly aligned. For what reason they can't say. The desire for some specific outcome is strong in many people and leads to some interesting ideas, some more "interesting" than others
Im a geotechnical engineer who lives near this wall. It looks like all the other granite in the same batholith. I think you're exactly right about this being natural.
extreme heat can make a non-magnetic "stone" turn magnetic, so this proves nothing, other than it could have been subjected to extreme heat - Magnetite in a stone: Let’s say the stone contains a small amount of magnetite, a naturally magnetic material. Heat the stone to a temperature just below the Curie point of magnetite (about 585°C or 1,085°F). This will allow the magnetite domains to become more mobile. Apply a strong magnetic field while the stone is still hot. This will encourage the domains to align in the same direction, making the stone’s magnetism more uniform. Cool the stone down, and it will retain a stronger, more cohesive magnetic field as the domains stay aligned. - plasma can both contain and create its own magnetic field. Plasma is a state of matter that consists of ionized gases-meaning a mixture of positively charged ions and free electrons. This charged particle composition allows plasma to interact with and generate magnetic fields in various ways.
There are miles upon miles of similar walls in Montana. To look at one tiny bit and try to ascribe it to a lost civilization does an ill service to Mother Nature and her might. In the Upper Missouri Breaks National Monument you will find walls that were described by the first explorers, Lewis and Clark, as they traveled through in 1805 on their way to the Pacific. I quote from the journals of Lewis, Eagle Creek encampment May 31st, 1805. " As we passed on it seemed as if those seens of visionary inchantment would never have and end; for here it is too that nature presents to the view of the traveler vast ranges of walls of tolerable workmanship, [3] so perfect indeed are those walls that I should have thought that nature had attempted here to rival the human art of masonry had I not recollected that she had first began her work. These walls rise to the hight in many places of 100 feet, are perpendicular, with two regular faces and are from one to 12 feet thick, each wall retains the same thickess at top which it possesses at bottom. The stone of which these walls are formed is black, dence and dureable, and appears to be composed of a large portion of earth intermixed or cemented with a small quantity of sand and a considerable portion of talk or quarts. these stones are almost invariably regular parallelepipeds, of unequal sizes in the walls, but equal in their horizontal ranges, at least as to debth. these are laid regularly in ranges on each other like bricks, each breaking or covering the interstice of the two on which it rests. thus the purpendicular interstices are broken, and the horizontal ones extend entire throughout the whole exent of the walls. These stones seem to bear some proportion to the thickess of the walls in which they are employed, being larger in the thicker walls; the greatest length of the parallelepiped appears to form the thickess of the thiner walls, while two or more are employed to form that of the thicker walls. These walls pass the river in several places, rising from the water's edge much above the sandstone bluffs, which they seem to penetrate; thence continuing their course on a streight line on either side of the river through the gradually ascending plains, over which they tower to the hight of from ten to seventy feet untill they reach the hills, which they finally enter and conceal themselves. these wall" Go and look for yourself. I did.
a lot of this stuff is to add depth to the delusions of urban children who have never seen a bird and will off themselves on fentanyl before the next election. aren't fraternal lodge organisations wonderful eh.
@@atomictraveller I am an oddity,, I know this. I have studied. There is a concept for you and I have traveled a great deal. I have been in Montana and seen the walls,, the dikes from magma intrusions and the sills and pipes that surfaced. I have even had a shovel and done my own digging. But How many people have traveled the Missouri River by canoe through Montana, camped, taken the time to explore,, not many. Unfortunately, I think you are absolutely correct,, if they cannot take a jeep or four wheel drive something into the back country,, with no muffler,, and part of the 'sport' is doing it at night under their head lights,,, Imagine trying to get some sleep at riverside after paddling 20 miles,, and having a demented chain saw revving every second or so,, you can hear them for 10 miles. Or paddling the 200 plus miles of Lake Powell and having wake boats coming close repeatedly,, because they have never seen a canoe. Wake boats that leave a hole in the water so a surf board can be used on a flat lake, wakes that bound and rebound from stone canyon wall to stone canyon wall again and again.,,, Rude bastards. And then an entire list of people here who don't know and are not told thet the first images are NOT from Montana,, they are from 6,000 miles south,, and an identifiable ancient culture.
Having grown up in Western Colorado - and spent HS years in central Wyoming as a kid, I really enjoy your videos from my old stomping grounds. The Sage Wall is a little over an hour away from where my father is buried...he loved that part of the world, for many reasons, and you talk about many of them, that he had a hard time putting in to words. Thank you for what you do.
I am a retired park ranger and in my opinion what you are looking at is natural, amazing and wonderful. Awe inspiring as it is, I have seen similar formation in several areas ,foothills and mountains inside the park that I worked at, although not as long of distance as Sage Wall. As for the nobs and basin I have seen many of times scattered about, and the magnetic effects of granite would make compasses ineffective. The Sage Wall is amazing and wonderful so let's cheapen it by thinking it must have been built by humans.
I'd have to agree that it's natural. While not common, nature can produce straight lines and "right angles" but it cannot produce uniformity, and with the cracks in this wall being uninformed in thickness, it's hard for me to cosign it being man made.
@Princess_Celestia_ you said nature can't produce uniformity then with the cracks being uniform thickness you can't say it's man made, that doesn't make sense
Bear in mind that these batholiths and plutons form up to hundreds of miles underground and gradually push up like blobs in a lava lamp while they slowly cool from molten and the ground above them erodes with the ice and weather. By the time uplift and erosion has brought them to the surface the action of underground water has widened the cracks formed during that slow cooling (thik Giants Causeway, though that is basalt but they form in similar ways.). The Cascades are a pluton though only four million years old, By the time they have worn to nubs in seventy five million years, they will look just like that. In archaeology training, when looking at such as granite tors, you are taught to ask whether something was put there deliberately and if so, why and what resources and potential reasons would they have. Why would bands of hunter gatherers be so high in those howling mountains, freezing their bits off at the time of the winter solstice when the game was down in the valleys?
yes and we would look for actual dateable evidence of human occupation, like tons of people! working enormous stones like that literally requires feeding and army. there would be hearths, flakes, bones, etc
Looking at it from an aerial view does make it look like a geological fault line or Seam... at 3:17 you can also see across from the wall, a rougher group of similar cracked rocks that do not "look" stacked...
As a non-expert, it looks natural to me. In the words of Carl Sagan, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." I know you are not making any claims but many have and will continue to do so. They will need very good evidence in my opinion. Very cool site though. Even as a natural feature it is well worth visiting and studying. Thanks for bringing us along!
Having seen this in person, it could go either way. Then again, I have never seen anything natural quite like this. Would love to see the ones in Russia….
when you see enormous carved granite megaliths at sites across the world you have extraordinary evidence, which if you work backwards requires an extraordinary explanation
There is nothing "extraordinary" about human activity. People have been in North America for tens of millennia. Altering a natural feature, like an igneous dike, to make it better suited for some purpose is ordinary human behavior. So, what matters here is not whether evidence of natural processes is found; that is literally _everywhere._ What matters is any undeniably human alterations. @Desert.Drifter Attention is better directed to the remarkably numerous nearby dolmens. I hope you are still in the area and can visit those. "Tizer Dolment", "Evergreen Dolmen", and "Pink Vault", in particular.
One thing to keep in mind with the Winter Solstice alignment, even only a thousand years ago, the alignment would have been different due to precession. The axis of the Earth moves, much like a spinning top. If this wall were thousands of years ago, the alignment would have been considerably different
Andrew, I'm e joying all of your videos, your best are with Evelyn. Something, I've been wondering is whether these Ancient rocks share the same Earth Meridian? Also, are they on Leylines?
This fact went through my head as soon as he mentioned trying to align it with his compass. This formation is very old, and the Procession of equinoxes [~26,000 years] would certainly throw off any alleged alignment. Also, agonic lines of magnetic deviation must be considered, and I'd think heavy concentrations of Magnetite would further disrupt this. . . . This last variable can throw off the reading at least 20%, to my [limited] knowledge. Final note here; IF this formation were erected 26,000 years ago +/- a few thousand, it would once again align. I would NOT discount that possibility.
Natural formation. I've seen them plenty times. I do not advise this and i'm ... reserved in saying it because i know people (not referring to DD) and how they behave, but it's easily seen that they're the same rock formed through lava,... if you chip away two adjacent stones. The one formation i saw here in Europe had a spalled section and you could see the rock's veins through. I also know about these from school, 5th grade geography (morphology of rock formations) from the early 80's, dunno what they teach these days, but it's common knowledge. It's the effect caused by pockets of lava cooling at different rates, forming "skins" that act like cells, delimitating these volumes and thus forming these lines, which aren't really there. You can see the effect in almost all fluids that share this potential for this separation to form. Can be the surface of the sun, can be lava, can be even that fluid we used to play with as kids, that made the pretty mixing shapes when shaken.
@@carolburton4711/videos Except they do. The horizontal lines are the layers, the ones that go almost vertically, are the stress of the moving earth cracking the rock layers in the areas where the magma cooled differently. You can achieve the same result if you pour concrete in layers. Pour one layer, let it set, pour another on top, let it set and so on. Once it's all set, if you start stressing this concrete monolith like the one above got done in by crust movement, layers will separate and once they separate, they will crack. The sloppier your concrete mix is, the closer the effect, which is so, because lava moves depending on how it cools, because it's not a perfectly homogeneous fluid. Some parts cool faster, some parts cool slower. That's why in a rock quarry, some parts get relegated to the 100k$ part of the yard and others to the 1k$ part of the yard (some rock quarries even have a gift shop where they sell all the loose stone of lesser quality for visitors, because the supposedly strong as balls granite... isn't always the same grade and quality and some granite you can literally crack with a half a kilo hammer, while the higher quality stuff is so strong, that it dulls carbide. :D Science is cool, knowledge is power, knowledge also allows me to not be scammed by the people who own the land and let me go to the Joshua Tree National Park and see the same formations, just far more eroded AND more importantly exposed from all sides, unlike these, thus allowing me to understand these are not rocks, it's one rock, broken apart.
well except we're brainwashing a nation here. believe in nonsense, cast magic spells aided by HSS satellite network. education certainly isnt relevant. MK brainwash. "i need ancient giants because society is intolerable but i don't know how to do anything except believe in trashy novels"
About two adjacent boulders showing continuity in rock composition. This is indeed the first thing I noticed: along horizontal strata, there is a clear continuity from one rock to the next, this in each of the different strata shown in the video. This can only be natural. Also, when you follow some cracks, some ends in the middle of a boulder. This also can only be obtained through a natural process.
We have tons and tons of granite like this in Arizona where we hike, and we have all of those formations here as well, the naturally formed knobs, the straight lined boulders, and tons of water potholes. Let alone the most amazingly balanced rocks, little arches formed by erosion, etc etc.
I also live in AZ, have hiked many areas including Granite Mountain in Prescott. I've never seen any granite formations like this anywhere in AZ. It is absolutely definitely man made.
@@MMAFreakofNature It's not common anywhere, much less in AZ where I also live. They're just defending the establishment narrative so they don't get cancelled.
As always, thank you for a great, thought-provoking video! These rock wall formations are very similar to what I have seen while hiking around in the Sierra Nevada mountains.
The experiment I suggest would be to check the magnetic alignment of each individual rock. If they are all aligned the same then you can be sure that they were all formed in place naturally. If the stones have mixed alignments then it is a man made structure. If MOST of them are aligned but not all then you have a natural structure that has been altered by some previous human civilization. You're welcome 😊
#paneofreality " If MOST of them are aligned but not all then you have a natural structure that has been altered by some previous human civilization." Or altered by glaciers, earthquakes, freeze/thaw cycles, or other natural phenomenon. While there are man-made things that are doubted by "experts" there are many natural structures that are completely amazing.
@keybase8653 - Galciers, earthquakes, or other natural phenomenon might very well knock down and scatter stones from a natural wall. But they are not likely going to stack them back up into a clean structure. It is unlikely anyone would think a structure constructed by an earthquake was man made. Good science also requires some common sense. You are not very good at this, are you.
These are the remnants of the Giant Trees. Petrified wood which often features abrupt terminations, resulting in a flat edge. Sharp angled breaks are also normal, in my observations. The nubs are buds. Just like any plant has. The holes are from Giant Borers. This is what I believe to be true, even though not many will agree. Go ahead and laugh, if you want? Geologists hate to even discuss this, even though the Old Testament holds it to be true. I love your work Bro. Thanks for the great videos.❤
Check out Myron Cook. He's a geologist either from Wyoming or Montana. He checks out how many natural features in the area are formed. he could be a good guy to get an opinion from. I also posted on one of his videos describing a wall to turn him on to your explorations.
I'm so glad you have done this outing to these different locations for comparison. I wondered if the other locations were also magnetic or had a hollow sound when tapped. The alignment is interesting also. We are certainly fortunate to have your experience and knowledge to take us along for this journey, and all the others. This is why I love your channel, every episode is interesting. Thank you Andrew for taking us along with Evelyn, and sharing your perspectives.
Great to see Evelyn blazing trails with you again. She's so cute and sunny. Intriguing rock formation but it appears to be natural. A formation in Rockwall, TX was recently determined to be natural because the magnetic imprint of the rocks at formation all have the same direction. When I was at Fort Bliss, TX I would day trip to Hueco Tanks in southern NM. It's in the dry desert, but indentations in the smooth solid rock hold scarce rainwater and soil. So, fascinating little areas of lush growth appear in the rock as you wander along like bonsai desert oasis. It's an easy hike to see this or there are more challenging, up to rock climbing areas there. There's some rock art. I found a small hidden niche behind a scrubby bush with the ceiling painted in a Native pattern.
If all we could see here is the wall, it’s understandable that people might see this as a man-made structure. But with context, it becomes clear that this is a natural formation. The overhead shots give us the context. The solstice alignments are happenstance.
They can check and compare the magnetic particles in individual stones to see if they`re all aligned or scrambled. In natural formations all magnetic particles will be oriented the same from when they formed.
@sdpicturecard6858 no amount of false pretext makes it clear. Nature does not make horizontal and vertical cracks in blocked shapes. Furthermore, the wall is flush. You may lie to yourself all you wish, bit save your delusions for yourself and let the thinking people come to conclusions on their own merits. Your education on geology is the biggest laugh at your expense there ever will be. It's all trash. Everything you learned to recite is useless. Utterly useless. Now, use the brain God gave you and try again. This time without the blinders on.
Those bulges in the granite are extremely common. I see granite cracks that look like stacked blocks all the time. The unusual part is that it is in the form of a wall
I believe that is an ancient glacier rub. I have seen others that form very straight walls. The extreme weight and pressure of the glacier ice will fracture rock into sections just like what you are seeing here...Just my two cents.
@@xippzap yeah I agree. I have seen rock “walls” just as straight as this in other areas of the Rocky Mountains. Same granite rock, similar bulges like this, etc. i think that people like this feature because it looks like stacked “blocks”.
Awesome stuff Andrew. 100% natural. Geology is amazing. Near my home in Lancashire they used to mine stone flags (flags are the thin slabs of stone or concrete used to make "sidewalks")
Living in the area, I have seen others similar. There hasn't been artifacts along with this 'discovery'. There is a woman promoting it..taking people on tours..etc but it's kind of bogus to make them believe it's an old archeological site.
About the second spot when you said we didn't see a wall, 24:49 looks like a wall to me. As a former geologist, I'd definately be in the natural camp. I would be curious to see if the magnetic signature of the rocks in the Sage Wall have the same or different orientations. If constructed, meaning the rocks were shaped and stacked, they should all be different, both from each other and the surrounding rocks. If natural, they should all be the same. Using a similar priciple was how plate tectonics was proved in the 1960s. Cores taken either side of the mid-Atlantic Ridge were compared and they were the same age, composition and magnetic signature based on distance from the Ridge.
Magnetic property. If you had stuck a neodymium magnet on the rock, I wouldn’t have thought twice about it. But since you managed to stick a rubber/iron ( refrigerator magnet) to it… It instantly attracted my attention. Ferrous metals don’t occur naturally on earth for the most part. So a magnet would need to generate a strong magnetic field to attract to the iron bearing ore in the rocks. Magnetite or hematite. So sticking a rubber magnet 100 gauss on the low end to 1,100 gauss seems improbable. A neodymium magnet at 13,000gauss, much more probable. One way to try and determine if you have found a potential candidate for a meteorite, is to see if it will attract a refrigerator magnet or a ceramic magnet, 1,300 gauss. Iron is present in most meteorites. Not in earth rocks. The ore’s must be processed to produce iron. (Plenty of molten iron in Earth’s core, just not in the crust).
Ferrous metals don't occur naturally on earth...? Iron being Ferrous... iron- is something like 32% of the earth's makeup. 😂 naturally? Wtf even is that, our earth and every other planetary body is nothing but a mass of gasses and metals and that the happenstance of gravity being a thing pulled in particles of space dust and debris. Iron being one of those elements that literally were the first. Not naturally occurring on earth? 😂 it's been the most abundant usable metallic body on earth since earth began to exist.
Check out the story of Cpt James Cook and his experience sailing past an island of eastern Australia. He named it Magnetic Island for the reason you mention. 😊🇦🇺
The nubbin / protruding things are "chickenheads", which are very common in granite. They are like chunks of the rock that are just more resistant to weathering than the surrounding rock, so as the surrounding granite erodes away, you are left with these lumps. I would guess that flat platform area around 12:06 is remnants of an outer crust or shell that is also more resistant to weathering than the rest of the rock. Many climbers call this shell stuff "Patina", although I'm not sure if that is an accurate description of what the stuff is... For reasons I don't understand, it's not uncommon to see very flat areas of this shell stuff. You can be walking amongst a bunch of rounded boulders then spot one boulder with a dead flat face on one side composed of this shell stuff. Sometimes it also cracks in cool patterns, and can make these big solid plates. There are climbs that are entirely made up of this shell stuff. City of Rocks Idaho comes to mind. Up there, the shell is super solid and the underlying rock can be super soft and crumbly. In places, you can literally scoop out handfuls of eroding rock. Often the shell takes on a different color than the rest of the granite. In the City you can find dark brown, nearly black, and some deep red colors. Sometimes its just the same color as the rest of the granite though, as it appears in this case. You can usually tell that there is a difference between the shell stuff and the rest of the rock; it may have different grain, bigger or smaller crystals, or a different texture or something. Sorry for the rant, I love this stuff! I would wager this feature is natural, although I will admit it is super unique and cool looking! And it definitely does look like it was built. Nature can do some amazing things. Thanks for sharing, love your videos!
@@andy57496 I wouldn't know, but I would guess that is a different thing to what is seen here. I only know the granite stuff cuz I've spent most of my life climbing around on it. Both things can exist; natural nubbins and man made nubbins...
This is really interesting and I have never heard of this formation before, thanks for documenting it, the solstice alignments are particularly fascinating.
'Vertical' cracks running thru multiple layers is never seen anywhere else because it's weak, the tight cracks are rough unlike any of the manmade walls. Many natural walls look similar.
Finding natural features is not diagnostic. People are known to take advantage of natural phenomena. To dismiss, you need a complete lack of artificial features. The dolmens in the area make that difficult.
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Fascinating examination Andrew, and Elaine. If I was only considering the random locations of rock formations at the second location then the exactly straight lines of the first location makes that seem 100% certain to be manmade. So many stones precisely alighned to the solstice, and also perfectly straight means there should no such question. The only questions that should remain should be when was it created, by whom, and for what purpose? I would very much be interested in seeing a thorough ground penetrating radar map of the area, along with a lidar area survey, along with magnetic anomalies surveyed, and mapped. If anything further is to learned I believe those steps would teach us a great deal. What if there are buried structures? That might point towards usage theories.
If the wall is naturally created, it's absolutely incredible that its remained so perfectly straight for millions of years, or even man made staying in place for 50 thousand years is amazing either way.
I remember a story from a British archaeological tv show called 'Time Team' following 'exploratory/investigatory digs', they where digging a suspected prehistoric (some time before 5000 years ago) site One of the misidentification from old studies had 'pit dwellings', round-ish holes in the ground with small bits of flint tools in them Later studies found they aren't prehistoric houses at all, but they are the hole left when a tree falls over and pulls up its root, then the surrounding material including small flint arrow heads etc get washed in to the hole Doesn't mean people weren't hunting in the area with bows etc, but its wasn't where they lived.... People, even the professionals, see patterns then try to understand them with whatever knowledge they have available to them at that time The episode is on RUclips btw
Time Team was one of my favourite shows growing up. Rewatching some of the episodes now with a more critical eye has had me realize how often they come to their conclusion based on conjecture. It’s still en extremely informative and entertaining show, but not as academically stringent as they try to portray themselves.
@@adamgriss2025 same as a teenager I think some of the 'experts' where given to flights of fancy, or had pet theories, or axes to grind... And they did a valuable actual arachnological 'job' that of a long weekend assessing a possible site only known from the public or incomplete old reports. The ones with the best evidence they went to do a quick dig to see if anything was actually there... I remember when the show started people complained about the misconception of a "made for TV 3 day time limit" Most of them had no background in archology and didn't realise that so few sites had a good record of them or where only listed as a 'site' based on evidence s little as a single bronze "bronze aged" broach or some coins There was never a shortage of archology to find in the British Isles, only a shortage of money and time... Plus all scientist, reguardless of fields are imaginative sorts ;) Put them on camera, maybe after a drink or two and see them go into all sort of idea, they would love to prove or find :D
The "Last Spot" discussed and seen in this video (from 28:17 - 30:28) is systematically jointed sandstone within the Cretaceous Frontier Formation. Assuming Desert Drifter has his reasons and given this outcrop is known well known to geology college students, I not going to provide its location online. I will just reccomend him to read the below paper for more information about the origin of systematically jointed sandstone beds in general. Olson, J.E., Laubach, S.E. and Lander, R.H., 2009. Natural fracture characterization in tight gas sandstones: Integrating mechanics and diagenesis. AAPG bulletin, 93(11), pp.1535-1549.
Montana contains 145,509.2 square miles of land area, and barely a million people, including the large cities. You're welcome to come clear it for us.😊
@@dansuehath Sure, but forest fires have also been happening for that long - however now we live amongst and around woodland so it would impact us too. Also, we have tampered with ecosystems and woodlands, so some management is required to restore habitats and support their inhabitants otherwise they will be lost which can lead to a number of problems.
Very interesting and this is my first time hearing anything about this rock formation. As someone who has no geological, archaeological or any other type of “ogical” knowledge or experience I would have bet the farm that this was man made. And based on your comments as well as many other comments from viewers I apparently would be wrong. It is astounding to me that a magnetic pull could so perfectly line up and stack? a formation such as this wall. Kind of mind blowing if you think about it. Thoroughly enjoyed this video and very much appreciate the fact that you present all possibilities and don’t try to sway your viewers one way or the other.
I'm just a casual observer here. After watching the entire video and based on what you showed from the other two sites, I'm leaning towards the Sage wall being a natural formation. The straightness of the wall is impressive, but the third site also looks very straight along its length. The approximate 90-degree angles can also be seen at the other two sites as the drone flies by. In my opinion, the best argument for the Sage wall being a man-made feature is the close alignment with the winter and summer solstices. That is very odd indeed. Really hard to say; it's a very compelling site! Love your videos; keep on exploring!
I've been to all the great megalithic sites in the Americas. One thing they all have in common is that the join lines are offset: just like bricks, they are all offset for strength. These align from one block to another. They are natural joints (fractures), not seams. Oh, and btw, I am an Engineering Geologist.
Yep, all the ancient civilisations knew that if you overlapped (offset) the vertical joints each row, it resulted in better stability and a far stronger wall. Plus, you gained the ability to build the wall as tall as you liked. Walls that have vertical joints from top to bottom, are just unstable, are far more prone to toppling over and are far more easily breached (if defensive). Mainly because there's nothing that is bonding the entirety of the wall together. In that situation they are just separate and percurisaly balanced stacks of rocks, that have been placed side by side. This is just a naturally formed ridge of granite, where a bunch of aligned fractures have formed naturally throughout it, via weathering, water erosion and probably tectonic disturbance. If it was a manmade wall, it would undoubtedly have some offsets between the joints.
@benjaminjantzen1398 You're kidding, right? No straight lines in nature? How about bedding planes in the Grand Canyon? Fault line traces through granite? Fractures in the bedrock in Yosemite, Anza Borrego? Radial dikes at Devil's Tower? Need I go on?
The large flat feature you show later in the video is a hogback, and they're effectively the remnants of fossilized beach, as they are composed of sandstone, and they are up at angles because the mountains in the background rose up at some point after the beach had become sandstone, elevating it into the position we see today. With regard to the Sage Wall, it seems glaringly obvious that it is a natural feature, although I would not be surprised in the slightest if native people used the formation in some way, possibly as a animal run, with hunters on the walls and runners chasing game through the narrow space created by the formation and its companion, perhaps as a site of worship due to it's solar significance, and potentially both, cause that does seem like a very impressive thing, the naturally straight wall that lines up with the sun on the special days, where it's especially easy to catch a large amount of game, and that would basically make it The Holy Hunting Grounds, which feels like it would be a thing.
It’s…awkward to suggest that “tight fitting cracks” implies human engineering. All natural cracks begin as “tight fitting” because immediately before the crack forms in the rock…it’s all one solid rock. Does that really need to be explained further? And a 90° angle also doesn’t automatically imply human intent either. Cracks can occur at any angle, including perpendicular to gravity. Many conifers tend grow directly perpendicular to gravity. Does that imply human intervention? The ocean horizon appears completely flat? Man-made? You see how silly this argument sounds? And the nubs…have you ever seen garnet schist? Are you familiar with deep sea manganese nodules? Geological formations have all sorts of interesting features that “resemble” much later human creations. I like to imagine the first hominids to find crystilline formations of perfectly cubic pyrite or perfectly flat sheets of pyrite. If anything, humans were possibly first intrigued at the idea of trying to imitate such “perfect” shapes…imitating nature versus the other way around. The suggestion that a rock wall is man-made, on the other hand, demands numerous other questions that should always be foremost in your thinking: What purpose would it have served? Was there a known population in the area large enough to have supported its construction? Is there any other evidence of human occupation in the vicinity? Etc Simply thinking/saying “It just kinds looks a lot like (whatever else)” is not valid investigative inquiry; it is merely idle musing not worthy of scientific claim.
There is no natural rock formation having 90 degree, and the natural rock formation WILL NOT FORM A STRAIGHT WALL. These walls have the same characteristic of Sacsayhuaman's wall, natural crack my ass.
@@fulgrimthephoenician1022 Fulgrim the Phoenician, who speaks for the entire scientific community, has thus decreed, and therefore it is absolute fact. Thank you for the abundant evidence you have provided.
@@abcedertreetoo You and your entire community cannot understand how the fuck the pyramid was build, yet you denied everything you THINK that unsuitable for your puny mind.
22:55 At this point in your video, the formations you show remind me of locations along the road from Laramie Wy, to Ft Collins Co. Amazing! Thank you.
This was definitely a change of pace but thanks for the best footage I’ve ever seen of sage wall. I’m here a few minutes after upload and I bet in 6 mos this video has at least 5 million views.
🦘🇦🇺 Thank you Andrew & Evelyn. ( Great to see you back Evelyn 😁) in both cases, absolute evidence that these structures are “being” made, not natural. There is mounting evidence throughout all these sites that heat and/or sound have been used in their manufacturing. Whether the Sage Wall is a “plate” in a battery system due to its magnetic properties is yet to be seen. There are “batteries” in other geographic formations. Thanks for the journey. Your enthusiasm is greatly appreciated. 🙏
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Hey friends, as always, thank you for watching. This was a different outing than usual, but I wanted to see what it was all about. If you'd like to visit the Sage Wall yourself, here's a link to their website sagemountain.org/tours/ Due to high demand, you may expect a delay in email response time from them
From DILLON MT - it is a natural formation caused by a dike.
Did you check the other site for magnetics
Thank you for making this episode. I visited the Sage wall in last September and met Chris in person. It still baffles me that if it’s natural, or man made, or the combination. If the wall was made by human interference more than 12000 years ago for marking an astronomical phenomenon such as solstices or equinoxes, the alignment now would be a bit different from then due to precession.
WTH is all the dead trees at 11:11 ?
natural
Watching this video as a professional geologist I would say the Sage Wall is a natural dike intruded along a linear fracture in older rock. One should approach this not by trying to prove it is a wall but trying to prove it is not a dike. Igneous rock such as granite typically include subtle features such as mineralization bands, smaller dikes, etc. If any of these features traverse from one block to another then it strongly suggests the rocks are not stacked but in situ. The knobs are clearly darker rock and are likely pieces of the original older more mafic rock that the granite intruded into and incorporated as part of the granitic melt. They are referred to as xenoliths. Differential weathering gives them relief. The potholes are natural throughout granitic terrane. Large ones are called tanks on topos. Water ponds in small depressions and eventually breaks down the feldspars in the rock weathering them to clay.
You explained it well thanks.
100%...and that is speaking as a "geology minor" in college...someone who has been a rock climber since 1968 (professionally since the 80s)...and someone that specialized in vernacular folk architecture including cyclopean stone work and other lithic replication. This is a natural formation...plane and simple, which is not to say it does not hold significant importance to past indigenous cultures yet sadly is now in private ownership. Thankfully the current owners display a level of respect many do not have...
Yeah...what he said.
my thoughts exactly! Even the features alluted to be "modified" are really common forms of natural granite weathering. I'm sorry Desert Drifter, but this doesn't pass the sniff test.
While this is obviously a natural igneous dike, we still don't know if or how it has been _used._ Aligning with a solstice would make this natural feature especially attractive to work with. Without the weird dolmens in the area (e.g. "pink vault", "tizer dolmen" and "evergreen dolmen"), it would be easy to dismiss this site as a fortuitous fluke. It is a pity our host didn't visit those; I hope it is not too late.
The "Colorado Forest Beings" channel explores undeniable, seismically fragile constructions in SE Colorado mountains that are visibly maintained, maybe for Ute shaman activity, some even with ceremonial remains under. If anything here is made, it is likely for a similar purpose, and like those will have taken full advantage of natural features, tempting shallow dismissal. People have been in North America for tens of thousands of years, plenty of time for any amount of cultural evolution. Human activity is in no sense extraordinary; it is expected. Shallow dismissal is just laziness.
Well, I am a retired automotive Service Technician & I don't have a professional opinion.
Haha
Your opinion is more real than the “professionals” who strait up lie or really believe their hard R excuses.
@@ChezMclegend These days there are far more hard L excuses.
We are selling 6 acres with a n newly remodeled 4-5 bedroom between devil's head and pike's peak I am too old but the young people?? Surrounded by national forest , a smart non profit could look for those vacationing big foots.
As a practicing expediter in the food and hospitality industry and can confirm your opinion.
Shout-out to the land owners for letting people come see their interesting rock formation. It's definitely nice to be able have that be seen by anyone interested.
I'm sure they are enjoying the huge cash influx they are receiving after claiming some random rocks were manmade... lol
Are you kidding? they charge money /admission to see this 'ancient rock wall'...Its a business. ..why do you think the new landowners created this narrative.
it's on public land. the landowners are just bilking people for parking and tourguide fees.
I see nothing other than amazing natural formation the video only reinforced this with the amazing formations shown in the second site. Take a look a t the giants causeway in the UK which extends from Scotland to Ireland under the Irish Sea...did aliens or a previous intelligent civilisation create this.....its all nonsense
I've talked to the landowners, they know it's natural, but they like the money and attention to their business. @@mountain-milk
What I like about Desert Drifter is that he keeps a clear distinction between facts and his imagination (in all his videos).
Showing not only Sage Wall but also several other sites for comparison, is one of the strong points of this episode.
As for the Sage Wall, I think knowing more about the research (non destructive scanning) of what is underneath the earth
behind the wall, and a Lidar image of the wider area would be very helpful in forming an idea about the origin of the wall.
Sadly, this episode skirts the question posed at its outset. The wall itself is _obviously_ a natural igneous dike like others shown, and of course displays features of natural rock. While it is useful to have noted that those features are natural, the presenter does not check carefully for details that would indicate human alterations to the site. We know of many other sites in North America that use often minor alterations to natural features to act as solstice and equinox calendars.
Details of interest would include compass orientations of top-course rocks, and the numerous dolmens in the immediate area. Other commenters have demanded "extraordinary evidence", as if human activity were some kind of "extraordinary claim", but human activity in a place where people have been for tens of thousands of years is about as ordinary as there is. All we need is ordinary evidence, and it is unfortunate that the creator does not examine any.
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I've often speculated that if ones ancient tribe were to desire a giant rock wall, it might be easier for them to simply excavate around a natural dike and modify the existing natural structure.
On the page titled Ancient Connection Collection on the original Montana Megaliths website, I compare features at the Montana Megaliths with known megalithic sites all over the world. Google Julie Ryder Montana Megaliths and take a look at the other 111 megalithic sites one of which is Sage Wall.
@@sciptickHmmmm. What about alignment with the summer and winter equinox? Coincidence?
Agreed. On all counts. Well said.
Imagine having enough land you stumble upon formations you didn't know where there until years later 🤤
There's ranches in the U.S. that cover hundreds of thousands of acres. Sometimes it hard to imagine how big that is until you say a ranch is 30 miles (or more) on each side.
@@stevensmothers3779 Definitely! I'm an Okie, the Drummond's own Oklahoma's largest ranch at 400k+ acres
@@Jmccalmont "... and seldom was heard... a discouraging word... and the skies are not cloudy all day." Something like that anyways. You know, enough land where the deer and the antelope can play like the song says, and you get to go out and watch them.
@@willoughby1888 where the deer and antelope play, where seldom is heard a discouraging word for what can a buffalo say...?
Haha right? The fact it was covered in deadfall from trees killed by pine beetles probably helped prevent them from finding it for so long
As a cybersecurity professional I can confirm that this is not a firewall.
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But it is a wall that could protect you from fire for a long period of time.
I would argue this wall is definitely fireproof.
Thanks for confirming I can now cross strange rock formation off my list of things that are not definitely not this elusive firewall! Process of elimination.
Alright good work 👍
Take it off the list boys 🗣️
I’ve had many people request that I do a video on this from a geologist’s perspective. I’m not sure I need to now. You did a great job! I would take a quite similar approach.
Your excellent City Wall video really did a great job of explaining how these form and was the first thing I thought of when I watched this. Love your channel.
Andrew - while you were testing the metal content of the stone @ 09:23, I noted a slight reddish stain. Was that indicative of a slightly elevated iron content thereby allowing the magnet to 'adhere' in those areas? The lighting seemed to change during your trip while documenting the Sage Wall, so I didn't observe the reddish cast in all areas, but that said, it is an interesting phenomenon.
Lake Superior Provincial Park in Ontario has a great example of the opposite effect. On Agawa Rock Pictographs Trail there is a place where the magmatic intrusion has eroded away leaving the surrounding granite as cliffs on either side of a deep chasm.
I would be so interested in your opinion on this. I love your channel 😊
There is no reasonable doubt an igneous dike is here. At issue is if that is all that is here, or if people have modified the site. We know anyway the knobs and hollows are not evidence for the latter.
I’m a lumberjack and in my opinion the wall is definitely made of rocks, or more precisely stones or boulders.
I love this comment.
@@dubselectorr345 😁
This is eye-opening
@@yeahjoshb9396 👀
Omg they have a rope to protect ROCK. It's natural as Fk. Nothing to see here.
Yay! Mrs. Desert Drifter! Love it when you go adventuring together. 😊
I agree, she adds a balance to the videos. More narration from her, please.
Now! Give her back the magnet you simply moved in on and began checking things out! 😊
@@wandapease-gi8yo Yup, saw that LOL, nice those two know how to share.👍💕
I've seen documentaries about other rock wall like formations & was astonished by how man made they looked only to be determined as natural. They were testing the direction of the rocks natural magnetic orientation. They tested a wall that was miles long and absolutely looked man-made to me and determined that it was natural. They determined that the magnetics of every stone of the entire length of the wall was going the same direction which meant that wall has been there in that position for millions of years so it can't be man made. They said if the magnetic directions had been willy-nilly pointing in all different directions it would show that the rocks were gathered from other places and assembeled.
Interesting conclusion.
I thought the rock wall in Texas was man made so much so that I would have bet money on it. Turns out it is natural. Funny what our eyes see and hearts desire plays such a significant role in the analysis.
@@adahy123 That may be the exact one I watched about the magnetic testing. I'm a documentary junkie & watch so many I sometimes don't remember where I get my information from LOL but that sounds like an America Unearthed type of video and I watch a lot of those
But that doesn’t mean they didn’t chisel (or break) the rocks that were there and honed to look better into a formation. Could have been an entryway to something they held high.
my conclusion is.that it was man made like the macchu picchu.
Ringing Rock in MT. is magnetic as well. Each rock has a different sound. We madesome beautiful music😊
The interesting thing is the congruent vertical "joints". I'm not a professional either, but masons, even the ancient masons, typically space joints in an alternating pattern for stability and strength. I'm betting these are natural.
Also, if i could engineer blocks of this size, I would make the upper surfaces level or even stepped to avoid the risk of higher layers sliding.
Excellent observation. This is "wall building with blocks 101" and is the sort of thing smart kids figure out in kindergarten through simple trial and error.
The portion of the video showing where the wall was perfectly aligned except for the end, where a piece started sliding down, exemplifies this point. Had this been manmade and they had any inclination of engineering or masonry, they wouldn't have intentionally made that horizontal joint curved. If you're going through the effort to match and fit two immensely heavy stones together, you're not going to willingly choose to make them inherently unstable by using a downward sloping joint. It's not just illogical, that's going magnitudes of order into illogical.
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nice point
Mother Nature is the artist. Father Time, the critic. Mother Nature and Father Time occasionally put away their differences to get together and collaborate on constructing puzzles or making up riddles for us to solve, question or find the answers to them.
I appreciate you videos so much. I've lived in the southwest all my life (except 2 years out of country) and hiked and camped a great deal. Now that I'm approaching 77, my hiking has slowed. So I now live vicariously through your adventures. Thank you
Me too.....raised in Montana, hiked to the summits there, dived into the glacial lakes just to say I did. Loved the southwest desert for the contrast. Now at 75....I go with the Desert Drifter....as it's his time. I live in rural France now for 14 years, actually found an old Roman stone fountain in the middle of a forest depression. It was built in the 100 to 200 a.d. keep exploring! My spirit prays for your well-being ongoing in your adventures.
Thanks for a great video! But there's a thing here nobody's pointing out...no mason will line up their vertical joints. This whole formation is cool, but made by nature for sure.
Speaking a someone who has worked in construction for 30 years I agree
Depends if there just on front or top?
Or use triangular stones pointy end down...
Before reaching a conclusion, watch this episode of Joe Rogan's interview of Graham Hancock, starting at the 1:05:57 mark. There are a lot of comments from people who seem to 100% believe this is natural--even not having been there. Apparently, not all the experts agree.
@@carolinamay8328 Yeah sure. A conspiracy theory nutcase interviewing a psedoarchaeologist nutcase.... If either of those two told me the time I would check the nearest clock.
As a natural stone wall builder, the sage wall looks exactly how we buil retaining walls. Face of presentation smooth and straight. Backside gets filled in so we pay no mind to how it looks. This site has been on my radar for awhile 👌
The geologists who say otherwise are literally judging from pictures. This shares similarities with other megalithic walls around the world like Sacsayhuaman in Peru.
That's exactly what I was thinking. If I was going to do a flat step on a hill with a stone retainer, that's exactly how I would do it.
Big though, impressively big.
If you align the seams as with the blocks here, you're not a very good wall builder.
@dubselectorr345 I've been there, too. Not at all the same. If you think it's "too straight", you don't have much experience with jointed granite. You don't believe the geologists know what they are talking about? Who would you believe; only other amateurs who say it's man-made?
@dat2ra yeah, walls that have stood for tens of thousands of years aren't good walls.
I'm not a geologist, but I've explored Nevada for half a century now. My guess, based upon what's presented in the video, is these are natural formations along fault lines, altered by weathering and nature over seventy-five million years. A prime example are the formations you show at 29:00 minutes into the video. There's little question, those are natural faults and headwalls and footwalls. I've seen countless examples of this, albeit on a smaller scale, in exploring abandoned mines. I applaud your unbiased explanations here, and on the many other videos you've produced. Thank you for sharing your passion with us....
Yep, Montana gets earthquakes too. I know, as I was in one at Malmstrom AFB. This place looks to be in the Western half of Montana.
Man made perfect straight line to winter solstice. Summer solstice! That is the best evidence! No way that happens naturally!... Make the trip for summer and winter solstice...😮😮
More likely these are granite intrusions as other plutons were forced up into the batholith. Theres ridges like this all over the boulder batholith where this one is located.
I struggle with mental illnesses and watching videos helps me in a lot of ways. Your videos are very calming to me. I really enjoy the places you go and how you explore. You do a great job narrating and mixing information with your own thoughts and asking for information when you're not sure. Thank you for doing this. I appreciate you and your awesome wife!! Stay safe out there!! 🤓
Andrew is a lovely example of humble
Retired carpenter here, you’re going to want to cut your baseboard outside corners at 46 degrees not 45. Keeps that outside edge nice and crisp. Just sayin.
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Depends on how “square” the wall is. I have seen some where it might take a 47 or a little better. But 46 does do great for square walls.
Why not use your bevel and find the actual angle?
Where were u last year buddy 🤬
Just box join your corners like a real cow boy yeeha
Andrew I’m so glad you and Ev were able to make this trip, I’ve been so curious about this site. Thanks for taking us along on this journey to a place of such mystery and recent interest, you rock!
Thank you for using the surrounding area as context. I've watched a couple videos on the Sage Wall and they only talked about the wall itself and nothing about the area as a whole.
Wonderful program tonight. So many open questions about megalithic structures. You two kids keep it up! Im old and still awestruck.
Another study on the Sage Wall revealed that what appeared to be joints on the front side were not evident on the opposite side. The opposite side was solid where there should’ve been a joint.
There's no joint on the other side cuz joe smoked it.
Meaning thst they are not cut blocks?
Thats common for jointing. As a geotechnical engineer, jointing in rock walls is my main area of focus.
What would be the purpose of a wall at this site? Defensive walls generally run around hills to protect a stronghold at the summit, not parallel to the slope. In most of the places you've shown us there have been artifacts - pot sherds, knapping flakes, grinding stones - but none here? Civilizations are messy and leave stuff behind, and i understand that no excavations have been done here but I seriously doubt any artifacts would be found. To my slightly educated eye this is a natural geologic formation.
Knapping flakes can be found anywhere so I would not be surprised. Ancient people might find such natural wonders mystical so there well might be artifacts to be found if the area is well excavated. That however would not indicate people made it. They just went to experience it. Pot shards would be my first bet, but the fact that there are no petroglyphs is almost weird. Maybe it is too remote and out of reach.
You don't even need to be educated to know this is natural. It's just a jumble of rocks with slightly square edges.
Just picture any rock you've seen with a colored band in it. This is just a band of rock that is harder than what's around it. And being crystaline it fractures with straight edges. Really easy to comprehend
@@t_c5266ya right looks so natural 😂😂
@@Snaxx_23 it literally does
There's a not dissimilar rock wall formation in Rockwall Texas. The debate about whether it was manmade or naturally occuring was a subject of intense debate for a century or so.
Recently, it was discovered that the orientation of the magnetic fields in the individual stones are all aligned. More or less proving that it's a naturally formed feature and the individual stones were all one monolithic form before fracturing into the pattern seen today. And so settling the debate for everyone except those who propose an ancient community of builders who were somehow aware of the existence of magnetism and it's properties, and had somehow developed a way to test, cut, and assemble stones so that all the fields are perfectly aligned. For what reason they can't say.
The desire for some specific outcome is strong in many people and leads to some interesting ideas, some more "interesting" than others
Im a geotechnical engineer who lives near this wall. It looks like all the other granite in the same batholith. I think you're exactly right about this being natural.
extreme heat can make a non-magnetic "stone" turn magnetic, so this proves nothing, other than it could have been subjected to extreme heat - Magnetite in a stone: Let’s say the stone contains a small amount of magnetite, a naturally magnetic material.
Heat the stone to a temperature just below the Curie point of magnetite (about 585°C or 1,085°F). This will allow the magnetite domains to become more mobile.
Apply a strong magnetic field while the stone is still hot. This will encourage the domains to align in the same direction, making the stone’s magnetism more uniform.
Cool the stone down, and it will retain a stronger, more cohesive magnetic field as the domains stay aligned. - plasma can both contain and create its own magnetic field. Plasma is a state of matter that consists of ionized gases-meaning a mixture of positively charged ions and free electrons. This charged particle composition allows plasma to interact with and generate magnetic fields in various ways.
also, look at old pics, nature does not make brick walls that have uniform bricks in them
I can't believe you're finally doing this one. I love following this site, and you're my favorite explorer youtuber. This will be a treat!
There are miles upon miles of similar walls in Montana. To look at one tiny bit and try to ascribe it to a lost civilization does an ill service to Mother Nature and her might. In the Upper Missouri Breaks National Monument you will find walls that were described by the first explorers, Lewis and Clark, as they traveled through in 1805 on their way to the Pacific. I quote from the journals of Lewis, Eagle Creek encampment May 31st, 1805. " As we passed on it seemed as if those seens of visionary inchantment would never have and end; for here it is too that nature presents to the view of the traveler vast ranges of walls of tolerable workmanship, [3] so perfect indeed are those walls that I should have thought that nature had attempted here to rival the human art of masonry had I not recollected that she had first began her work. These walls rise to the hight in many places of 100 feet, are perpendicular, with two regular faces and are from one to 12 feet thick, each wall retains the same thickess at top which it possesses at bottom. The stone of which these walls are formed is black, dence and dureable, and appears to be composed of a large portion of earth intermixed or cemented with a small quantity of sand and a considerable portion of talk or quarts. these stones are almost invariably regular parallelepipeds, of unequal sizes in the walls, but equal in their horizontal ranges, at least as to debth. these are laid regularly in ranges on each other like bricks, each breaking or covering the interstice of the two on which it rests. thus the purpendicular interstices are broken, and the horizontal ones extend entire throughout the whole exent of the walls. These stones seem to bear some proportion to the thickess of the walls in which they are employed, being larger in the thicker walls; the greatest length of the parallelepiped appears to form the thickess of the thiner walls, while two or more are employed to form that of the thicker walls. These walls pass the river in several places, rising from the water's edge much above the sandstone bluffs, which they seem to penetrate; thence continuing their course on a streight line on either side of the river through the gradually ascending plains, over which they tower to the hight of from ten to seventy feet untill they reach the hills, which they finally enter and conceal themselves. these wall"
Go and look for yourself. I did.
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@@gageguy Exactly as Lewis wrote it 220 years ago. There are many creative spellings. There was little dictionary perfect writing in 1800.
a lot of this stuff is to add depth to the delusions of urban children who have never seen a bird and will off themselves on fentanyl before the next election. aren't fraternal lodge organisations wonderful eh.
@@atomictraveller I am an oddity,, I know this. I have studied. There is a concept for you and I have traveled a great deal. I have been in Montana and seen the walls,, the dikes from magma intrusions and the sills and pipes that surfaced. I have even had a shovel and done my own digging. But How many people have traveled the Missouri River by canoe through Montana, camped, taken the time to explore,, not many. Unfortunately, I think you are absolutely correct,, if they cannot take a jeep or four wheel drive something into the back country,, with no muffler,, and part of the 'sport' is doing it at night under their head lights,,, Imagine trying to get some sleep at riverside after paddling 20 miles,, and having a demented chain saw revving every second or so,, you can hear them for 10 miles. Or paddling the 200 plus miles of Lake Powell and having wake boats coming close repeatedly,, because they have never seen a canoe. Wake boats that leave a hole in the water so a surf board can be used on a flat lake, wakes that bound and rebound from stone canyon wall to stone canyon wall again and again.,,, Rude bastards. And then an entire list of people here who don't know and are not told thet the first images are NOT from Montana,, they are from 6,000 miles south,, and an identifiable ancient culture.
Having grown up in Western Colorado - and spent HS years in central Wyoming as a kid, I really enjoy your videos from my old stomping grounds.
The Sage Wall is a little over an hour away from where my father is buried...he loved that part of the world, for many reasons, and you talk about many of them, that he had a hard time putting in to words.
Thank you for what you do.
I was born in Montrose and live in Delta. I love Wy and MT but haven't spent much time in MT.
I am a retired park ranger and in my opinion what you are looking at is natural, amazing and wonderful. Awe inspiring as it is, I have seen similar formation in several areas ,foothills and mountains inside the park that I worked at, although not as long of distance as Sage Wall. As for the nobs and basin I have seen many of times scattered about, and the magnetic effects of granite would make compasses ineffective. The Sage Wall is amazing and wonderful so let's cheapen it by thinking it must have been built by humans.
I'd have to agree that it's natural. While not common, nature can produce straight lines and "right angles" but it cannot produce uniformity, and with the cracks in this wall being uninformed in thickness, it's hard for me to cosign it being man made.
@Princess_Celestia_ you said nature can't produce uniformity then with the cracks being uniform thickness you can't say it's man made, that doesn't make sense
Bear in mind that these batholiths and plutons form up to hundreds of miles underground and gradually push up like blobs in a lava lamp while they slowly cool from molten and the ground above them erodes with the ice and weather. By the time uplift and erosion has brought them to the surface the action of underground water has widened the cracks formed during that slow cooling (thik Giants Causeway, though that is basalt but they form in similar ways.). The Cascades are a pluton though only four million years old, By the time they have worn to nubs in seventy five million years, they will look just like that. In archaeology training, when looking at such as granite tors, you are taught to ask whether something was put there deliberately and if so, why and what resources and potential reasons would they have. Why would bands of hunter gatherers be so high in those howling mountains, freezing their bits off at the time of the winter solstice when the game was down in the valleys?
Because ancient aliens helped them
yes and we would look for actual dateable evidence of human occupation, like tons of people! working enormous stones like that literally requires feeding and army. there would be hearths, flakes, bones, etc
Finally some tells it correctly, they are formed underground, just like Pikes Peak, Colorado.
Looking at it from an aerial view does make it look like a geological fault line or Seam... at 3:17 you can also see across from the wall, a rougher group of similar cracked rocks that do not "look" stacked...
Absolutely correct
As a non-expert, it looks natural to me. In the words of Carl Sagan, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." I know you are not making any claims but many have and will continue to do so. They will need very good evidence in my opinion. Very cool site though. Even as a natural feature it is well worth visiting and studying. Thanks for bringing us along!
Well said David, I’m curious what the Lidar will show, as that could settle it once and for all
Having seen this in person, it could go either way. Then again, I have never seen anything natural quite like this. Would love to see the ones in Russia….
when you see enormous carved granite megaliths at sites across the world you have extraordinary evidence, which if you work backwards requires an extraordinary explanation
@@Desert.DrifterAre you going to do that or is it in the works by someone else? I’m kind of surprised nobody hasn’t already done that!
There is nothing "extraordinary" about human activity. People have been in North America for tens of millennia. Altering a natural feature, like an igneous dike, to make it better suited for some purpose is ordinary human behavior. So, what matters here is not whether evidence of natural processes is found; that is literally _everywhere._ What matters is any undeniably human alterations.
@Desert.Drifter Attention is better directed to the remarkably numerous nearby dolmens. I hope you are still in the area and can visit those. "Tizer Dolment", "Evergreen Dolmen", and "Pink Vault", in particular.
I’m glad everyone here is a professional and can explain everything that ever happened
One thing to keep in mind with the Winter Solstice alignment, even only a thousand years ago, the alignment would have been different due to precession. The axis of the Earth moves, much like a spinning top. If this wall were thousands of years ago, the alignment would have been considerably different
Andrew, I'm e joying all of your videos, your best are with Evelyn.
Something, I've been wondering is whether these Ancient rocks share the same Earth Meridian? Also, are they on Leylines?
@@simhifreeLOL You’re not responding to Andrew…
Thanks for the reminder. This also makes the claims of astrology invalid.
It would not be considerably different. Stonehenge is several thousand years old and is only slightly out of alignment.
This fact went through my head as soon as he mentioned trying to align it with his compass. This formation is very old, and the Procession of equinoxes [~26,000 years] would certainly throw off any alleged alignment. Also, agonic lines of magnetic deviation must be considered, and I'd think heavy concentrations of Magnetite would further disrupt this. . . . This last variable can throw off the reading at least 20%, to my [limited] knowledge.
Final note here; IF this formation were erected 26,000 years ago +/- a few thousand, it would once again align. I would NOT discount that possibility.
As a retired sandwich artist from Subway, I can tell you for sure that this definitely is not a sandwich
Artist? Ha Ha Ha you've got to love Subway.
Natural formation. I've seen them plenty times. I do not advise this and i'm ... reserved in saying it because i know people (not referring to DD) and how they behave, but it's easily seen that they're the same rock formed through lava,... if you chip away two adjacent stones. The one formation i saw here in Europe had a spalled section and you could see the rock's veins through.
I also know about these from school, 5th grade geography (morphology of rock formations) from the early 80's, dunno what they teach these days, but it's common knowledge.
It's the effect caused by pockets of lava cooling at different rates, forming "skins" that act like cells, delimitating these volumes and thus forming these lines, which aren't really there. You can see the effect in almost all fluids that share this potential for this separation to form. Can be the surface of the sun, can be lava, can be even that fluid we used to play with as kids, that made the pretty mixing shapes when shaken.
Natural formations don't have 90 degree cuts in them
@@carolburton4711/videos Except they do. The horizontal lines are the layers, the ones that go almost vertically, are the stress of the moving earth cracking the rock layers in the areas where the magma cooled differently. You can achieve the same result if you pour concrete in layers. Pour one layer, let it set, pour another on top, let it set and so on. Once it's all set, if you start stressing this concrete monolith like the one above got done in by crust movement, layers will separate and once they separate, they will crack.
The sloppier your concrete mix is, the closer the effect, which is so, because lava moves depending on how it cools, because it's not a perfectly homogeneous fluid. Some parts cool faster, some parts cool slower. That's why in a rock quarry, some parts get relegated to the 100k$ part of the yard and others to the 1k$ part of the yard (some rock quarries even have a gift shop where they sell all the loose stone of lesser quality for visitors, because the supposedly strong as balls granite... isn't always the same grade and quality and some granite you can literally crack with a half a kilo hammer, while the higher quality stuff is so strong, that it dulls carbide. :D
Science is cool, knowledge is power, knowledge also allows me to not be scammed by the people who own the land and let me go to the Joshua Tree National Park and see the same formations, just far more eroded AND more importantly exposed from all sides, unlike these, thus allowing me to understand these are not rocks, it's one rock, broken apart.
well except we're brainwashing a nation here. believe in nonsense, cast magic spells aided by HSS satellite network. education certainly isnt relevant. MK brainwash. "i need ancient giants because society is intolerable but i don't know how to do anything except believe in trashy novels"
About two adjacent boulders showing continuity in rock composition. This is indeed the first thing I noticed: along horizontal strata, there is a clear continuity from one rock to the next, this in each of the different strata shown in the video. This can only be natural. Also, when you follow some cracks, some ends in the middle of a boulder. This also can only be obtained through a natural process.
We had boulder piles behind our house and they were put there there by giants!😊
Andrew, thank you for taking us to Sage Wall. Hey Evelyn 😅
We have tons and tons of granite like this in Arizona where we hike, and we have all of those formations here as well, the naturally formed knobs, the straight lined boulders, and tons of water potholes. Let alone the most amazingly balanced rocks, little arches formed by erosion, etc etc.
I also live in AZ, have hiked many areas including Granite Mountain in Prescott. I've never seen any granite formations like this anywhere in AZ. It is absolutely definitely man made.
If it's so common and so natural everywhere, why is this particular location in question?
@@MMAFreakofNature It's not common anywhere, much less in AZ where I also live. They're just defending the establishment narrative so they don't get cancelled.
@@WiseSnake Not at all, they purposely made the front of the wall straight for whatever reason, pretty obvious to the rest of us here.😂
Maybe you should make a video? I have done a lot of hiking and I would say this is a rare formation.
I've done lots of hiking. I've seen many places like this. I would say a natural formation.
As always, thank you for a great, thought-provoking video! These rock wall formations are very similar to what I have seen while hiking around in the Sierra Nevada mountains.
The experiment I suggest would be to check the magnetic alignment of each individual rock. If they are all aligned the same then you can be sure that they were all formed in place naturally. If the stones have mixed alignments then it is a man made structure. If MOST of them are aligned but not all then you have a natural structure that has been altered by some previous human civilization.
You're welcome 😊
#paneofreality " If MOST of them are aligned but not all then you have a natural structure that has been altered by some previous human civilization."
Or altered by glaciers, earthquakes, freeze/thaw cycles, or other natural phenomenon. While there are man-made things that are doubted by "experts" there are many natural structures that are completely amazing.
@keybase8653 - Galciers, earthquakes, or other natural phenomenon might very well knock down and scatter stones from a natural wall. But they are not likely going to stack them back up into a clean structure. It is unlikely anyone would think a structure constructed by an earthquake was man made. Good science also requires some common sense.
You are not very good at this, are you.
Perhaps the ancient people didn't know about magnetic alignment
Would be interesting, to see how a test like this comes out !
These are the remnants of the Giant Trees. Petrified wood which often features abrupt terminations, resulting in a flat edge. Sharp angled breaks are also normal, in my observations. The nubs are buds. Just like any plant has. The holes are from Giant Borers. This is what I believe to be true, even though not many will agree. Go ahead and laugh, if you want? Geologists hate to even discuss this, even though the Old Testament holds it to be true. I love your work Bro. Thanks for the great videos.❤
Check out Myron Cook. He's a geologist either from Wyoming or Montana. He checks out how many natural features in the area are formed. he could be a good guy to get an opinion from. I also posted on one of his videos describing a wall to turn him on to your explorations.
Myron is da maaaaaaan
Myron actually commented on this video
I'm so glad you have done this outing to these different locations for comparison. I wondered if the other locations were also magnetic or had a hollow sound when tapped. The alignment is interesting also. We are certainly fortunate to have your experience and knowledge to take us along for this journey, and all the others. This is why I love your channel, every episode is interesting. Thank you Andrew for taking us along with Evelyn, and sharing your perspectives.
Great to see Evelyn blazing trails with you again. She's so cute and sunny. Intriguing rock formation but it appears to be natural. A formation in Rockwall, TX was recently determined to be natural because the magnetic imprint of the rocks at formation all have the same direction. When I was at Fort Bliss, TX I would day trip to Hueco Tanks in southern NM. It's in the dry desert, but indentations in the smooth solid rock hold scarce rainwater and soil. So, fascinating little areas of lush growth appear in the rock as you wander along like bonsai desert oasis. It's an easy hike to see this or there are more challenging, up to rock climbing areas there. There's some rock art. I found a small hidden niche behind a scrubby bush with the ceiling painted in a Native pattern.
If all we could see here is the wall, it’s understandable that people might see this as a man-made structure. But with context, it becomes clear that this is a natural formation. The overhead shots give us the context. The solstice alignments are happenstance.
They can check and compare the magnetic particles in individual stones to see if they`re all aligned or scrambled. In natural formations all magnetic particles will be oriented the same from when they formed.
@sdpicturecard6858 no amount of false pretext makes it clear. Nature does not make horizontal and vertical cracks in blocked shapes. Furthermore, the wall is flush. You may lie to yourself all you wish, bit save your delusions for yourself and let the thinking people come to conclusions on their own merits. Your education on geology is the biggest laugh at your expense there ever will be. It's all trash. Everything you learned to recite is useless. Utterly useless. Now, use the brain God gave you and try again. This time without the blinders on.
I just learned of this a couple weeks ago! Interesting you have it on here!
New Zealand & other places have this same type of granite structure.
Those bulges in the granite are extremely common. I see granite cracks that look like stacked blocks all the time. The unusual part is that it is in the form of a wall
I believe that is an ancient glacier rub. I have seen others that form very straight walls. The extreme weight and pressure of the glacier ice will fracture rock into sections just like what you are seeing here...Just my two cents.
@@xippzap yeah I agree. I have seen rock “walls” just as straight as this in other areas of the Rocky Mountains. Same granite rock, similar bulges like this, etc. i think that people like this feature because it looks like stacked “blocks”.
Agreed, looks completely natural to me; plus, building a gigantic wall in the middle of nowhere with nothing else anywhere near it? Don't think so...
Looks similar to the walls found in Rockwall, Texas.
Myron Cook has a video named 'Investigate a Mysterious Undocumented rock wall' on a similar structure.
Love mysterious places like this. Thanks for the trip, fun to see and think about. ❤
Awesome stuff Andrew. 100% natural. Geology is amazing. Near my home in Lancashire they used to mine stone flags (flags are the thin slabs of stone or concrete used to make "sidewalks")
Living in the area, I have seen others similar. There hasn't been artifacts along with this 'discovery'. There is a woman promoting it..taking people on tours..etc but it's kind of bogus to make them believe it's an old archeological site.
Bingo.
Fascinating content and a lot of food for thought. More Evelyn!! Thanks!
About the second spot when you said we didn't see a wall, 24:49 looks like a wall to me. As a former geologist, I'd definately be in the natural camp. I would be curious to see if the magnetic signature of the rocks in the Sage Wall have the same or different orientations. If constructed, meaning the rocks were shaped and stacked, they should all be different, both from each other and the surrounding rocks. If natural, they should all be the same. Using a similar priciple was how plate tectonics was proved in the 1960s. Cores taken either side of the mid-Atlantic Ridge were compared and they were the same age, composition and magnetic signature based on distance from the Ridge.
Magnetic property. If you had stuck a neodymium magnet on the rock, I wouldn’t have thought twice about it. But since you managed to stick a rubber/iron ( refrigerator magnet) to it… It instantly attracted my attention.
Ferrous metals don’t occur naturally on earth for the most part. So a magnet would need to generate a strong magnetic field to attract to the iron bearing ore in the rocks. Magnetite or hematite. So sticking a rubber magnet 100 gauss on the low end to 1,100 gauss seems improbable. A neodymium magnet at 13,000gauss, much more probable. One way to try and determine if you have found a potential candidate for a meteorite, is to see if it will attract a refrigerator magnet or a ceramic magnet, 1,300 gauss. Iron is present in most meteorites. Not in earth rocks. The ore’s must be processed to produce iron. (Plenty of molten iron in Earth’s core, just not in the crust).
Surprising.
Very thought provoking
Ferrous metals don't occur naturally on earth...?
Iron being Ferrous... iron- is something like 32% of the earth's makeup. 😂 naturally? Wtf even is that, our earth and every other planetary body is nothing but a mass of gasses and metals and that the happenstance of gravity being a thing pulled in particles of space dust and debris. Iron being one of those elements that literally were the first. Not naturally occurring on earth? 😂 it's been the most abundant usable metallic body on earth since earth began to exist.
Check out the story of Cpt James Cook and his experience sailing past an island of eastern Australia. He named it Magnetic Island for the reason you mention. 😊🇦🇺
@@mezanian Thanks for that. I did.
The nubbin / protruding things are "chickenheads", which are very common in granite. They are like chunks of the rock that are just more resistant to weathering than the surrounding rock, so as the surrounding granite erodes away, you are left with these lumps. I would guess that flat platform area around 12:06 is remnants of an outer crust or shell that is also more resistant to weathering than the rest of the rock. Many climbers call this shell stuff "Patina", although I'm not sure if that is an accurate description of what the stuff is... For reasons I don't understand, it's not uncommon to see very flat areas of this shell stuff. You can be walking amongst a bunch of rounded boulders then spot one boulder with a dead flat face on one side composed of this shell stuff. Sometimes it also cracks in cool patterns, and can make these big solid plates. There are climbs that are entirely made up of this shell stuff. City of Rocks Idaho comes to mind. Up there, the shell is super solid and the underlying rock can be super soft and crumbly. In places, you can literally scoop out handfuls of eroding rock. Often the shell takes on a different color than the rest of the granite. In the City you can find dark brown, nearly black, and some deep red colors. Sometimes its just the same color as the rest of the granite though, as it appears in this case. You can usually tell that there is a difference between the shell stuff and the rest of the rock; it may have different grain, bigger or smaller crystals, or a different texture or something.
Sorry for the rant, I love this stuff! I would wager this feature is natural, although I will admit it is super unique and cool looking! And it definitely does look like it was built. Nature can do some amazing things. Thanks for sharing, love your videos!
Do you think the nubbins on known man made megalithic walls are a result of weathering resistance also?
@@andy57496 I wouldn't know, but I would guess that is a different thing to what is seen here. I only know the granite stuff cuz I've spent most of my life climbing around on it. Both things can exist; natural nubbins and man made nubbins...
Natural structure is all.
Lovely couple exploring the past, Regards from UK
I enjoyed the way you presented this video. Very methodical and interesting. Thank you for taking us with you.
Very compelling, but I see rock breaking down naturally.
I have property about three miles away. I have my own wall. It's not man made.
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shucks you could of made so much money keeping america stupider 💚❣
...or is it? Dun dun dun
@@wesley5nipes it's not.
You should post a video
@@Senph42 But he said Dun dun dun, so... Refuting nonsense is harder when it's accompanied by dramatic music.
This is really interesting and I have never heard of this formation before, thanks for documenting it, the solstice alignments are particularly fascinating.
Looks like a natural formation to me. The crack at 5:01 is a natural crack.
Looks like a man-made formation to me.
100% natural like the NZ equivalent
'Vertical' cracks running thru multiple layers is never seen anywhere else because it's weak, the tight cracks are rough unlike any of the manmade walls. Many natural walls look similar.
@@TearDownThisWall get some education.
Finding natural features is not diagnostic. People are known to take advantage of natural phenomena. To dismiss, you need a complete lack of artificial features. The dolmens in the area make that difficult.
This video has now been offered for viewing a whole 42 minutes. There already are 4,355 views. 42 minutes has 2,520 seconds in them. This video is getting 2 views per second. I admire that. Maine said to say "hello".
I really love your approach to these ancient places and times in history and your respect for these people and places is outstanding!
Native Americans always say there were giants that they shared the land with back in the day.
It's completey natural - that's my determination. Looks cool, but that's how granite cracks naturally.
People taking nature for "granite"🙃
Fascinating examination Andrew, and Elaine. If I was only considering the random locations of rock formations at the second location then the exactly straight lines of the first location makes that seem 100% certain to be manmade. So many stones precisely alighned to the solstice, and also perfectly straight means there should no such question.
The only questions that should remain should be when was it created, by whom, and for what purpose?
I would very much be interested in seeing a thorough ground penetrating radar map of the area, along with a lidar area survey, along with magnetic anomalies surveyed, and mapped.
If anything further is to learned I believe those steps would teach us a great deal.
What if there are buried structures? That might point towards usage theories.
If the wall is naturally created, it's absolutely incredible that its remained so perfectly straight for millions of years, or even man made staying in place for 50 thousand years is amazing either way.
Never heard of this before.
Very fascinating.
Love your work, keep it up.
Greetings from Sweden.
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Great video, love your approach to every video you do. Keep it up!
I feel so at peace and so fascinated every time I watch your videos. Thanks for bringing us along on your adventures. 🪨✨
I remember a story from a British archaeological tv show called 'Time Team' following 'exploratory/investigatory digs', they where digging a suspected prehistoric (some time before 5000 years ago) site
One of the misidentification from old studies had 'pit dwellings', round-ish holes in the ground with small bits of flint tools in them
Later studies found they aren't prehistoric houses at all, but they are the hole left when a tree falls over and pulls up its root, then the surrounding material including small flint arrow heads etc get washed in to the hole
Doesn't mean people weren't hunting in the area with bows etc, but its wasn't where they lived....
People, even the professionals, see patterns then try to understand them with whatever knowledge they have available to them at that time
The episode is on RUclips btw
Time Team was one of my favourite shows growing up. Rewatching some of the episodes now with a more critical eye has had me realize how often they come to their conclusion based on conjecture. It’s still en extremely informative and entertaining show, but not as academically stringent as they try to portray themselves.
@@adamgriss2025 same as a teenager
I think some of the 'experts' where given to flights of fancy, or had pet theories, or axes to grind...
And they did a valuable actual arachnological 'job' that of a long weekend assessing a possible site only known from the public or incomplete old reports. The ones with the best evidence they went to do a quick dig to see if anything was actually there...
I remember when the show started people complained about the misconception of a "made for TV 3 day time limit" Most of them had no background in archology and didn't realise that so few sites had a good record of them or where only listed as a 'site' based on evidence s little as a single bronze "bronze aged" broach or some coins
There was never a shortage of archology to find in the British Isles, only a shortage of money and time...
Plus all scientist, reguardless of fields are imaginative sorts ;) Put them on camera, maybe after a drink or two and see them go into all sort of idea, they would love to prove or find :D
The "Last Spot" discussed and seen in this video (from 28:17 - 30:28) is systematically jointed sandstone within the Cretaceous Frontier Formation. Assuming Desert Drifter has his reasons and given this outcrop is known well known to geology college students, I not going to provide its location online. I will just reccomend him to read the below paper for more information about the origin of systematically jointed sandstone beds in general.
Olson, J.E., Laubach, S.E. and Lander, R.H., 2009. Natural fracture characterization in tight gas sandstones: Integrating mechanics and diagenesis. AAPG bulletin, 93(11), pp.1535-1549.
This forest is primed for a fire. It needs to be cleared.
I noticed that too
Montana contains 145,509.2 square miles of land area, and barely a million people, including the large cities. You're welcome to come clear it for us.😊
Would a fire not clear it?
Forests have been around for 470 million years with mostly no humans to “manage” them. They are fine.
@@dansuehath Sure, but forest fires have also been happening for that long - however now we live amongst and around woodland so it would impact us too.
Also, we have tampered with ecosystems and woodlands, so some management is required to restore habitats and support their inhabitants otherwise they will be lost which can lead to a number of problems.
Remember that this area was covered in ice for a time.
Very interesting and this is my first time hearing anything about this rock formation. As someone who has no geological, archaeological or any other type of “ogical” knowledge or experience I would have bet the farm that this was man made. And based on your comments as well as many other comments from viewers I apparently would be wrong. It is astounding to me that a magnetic pull could so perfectly line up and stack? a formation such as this wall. Kind of mind blowing if you think about it. Thoroughly enjoyed this video and very much appreciate the fact that you present all possibilities and don’t try to sway your viewers one way or the other.
So cool! These ancient walls/features are so fascinating, and your objective approach to learning about things is admirable.
Lidar would be awesome
The results of the Lidar scan should be released before long. Curious what it will show
I'm just a casual observer here. After watching the entire video and based on what you showed from the other two sites, I'm leaning towards the Sage wall being a natural formation. The straightness of the wall is impressive, but the third site also looks very straight along its length. The approximate 90-degree angles can also be seen at the other two sites as the drone flies by. In my opinion, the best argument for the Sage wall being a man-made feature is the close alignment with the winter and summer solstices. That is very odd indeed. Really hard to say; it's a very compelling site! Love your videos; keep on exploring!
I'm not saying it was aliens, but I'm fairly confident that it wasn't built by humans.
In other words, it's probably just a natural feature.
I've been to all the great megalithic sites in the Americas. One thing they all have in common is that the join lines are offset: just like bricks, they are all offset for strength. These align from one block to another. They are natural joints (fractures), not seams. Oh, and btw, I am an Engineering Geologist.
Yep, all the ancient civilisations knew that if you overlapped (offset) the vertical joints each row, it resulted in better stability and a far stronger wall. Plus, you gained the ability to build the wall as tall as you liked. Walls that have vertical joints from top to bottom, are just unstable, are far more prone to toppling over and are far more easily breached (if defensive). Mainly because there's nothing that is bonding the entirety of the wall together. In that situation they are just separate and percurisaly balanced stacks of rocks, that have been placed side by side.
This is just a naturally formed ridge of granite, where a bunch of aligned fractures have formed naturally throughout it, via weathering, water erosion and probably tectonic disturbance. If it was a manmade wall, it would undoubtedly have some offsets between the joints.
Any straight lines in nature is MANMADE - if you don’t know this…keep exploring young Jedi.
@benjaminjantzen1398 You're kidding, right? No straight lines in nature? How about bedding planes in the Grand Canyon? Fault line traces through granite? Fractures in the bedrock in Yosemite, Anza Borrego? Radial dikes at Devil's Tower? Need I go on?
Its geological. Also no one builds walls with "running lines" like that. Remember how lego works?
The large flat feature you show later in the video is a hogback, and they're effectively the remnants of fossilized beach, as they are composed of sandstone, and they are up at angles because the mountains in the background rose up at some point after the beach had become sandstone, elevating it into the position we see today.
With regard to the Sage Wall, it seems glaringly obvious that it is a natural feature, although I would not be surprised in the slightest if native people used the formation in some way, possibly as a animal run, with hunters on the walls and runners chasing game through the narrow space created by the formation and its companion, perhaps as a site of worship due to it's solar significance, and potentially both, cause that does seem like a very impressive thing, the naturally straight wall that lines up with the sun on the special days, where it's especially easy to catch a large amount of game, and that would basically make it The Holy Hunting Grounds, which feels like it would be a thing.
Completely natural, without a doubt. It is decomposing granite. It is common in Montana.
Are there any other areas in Montana that have similar geology? I only see videos showing Sage Wall
@@daisydog388 The area around Butte Montana there is any area called The Boulder Batholith. It is similar geology.
@@TTT-tn3ul coo, thanks
It’s…awkward to suggest that “tight fitting cracks” implies human engineering. All natural cracks begin as “tight fitting” because immediately before the crack forms in the rock…it’s all one solid rock. Does that really need to be explained further?
And a 90° angle also doesn’t automatically imply human intent either. Cracks can occur at any angle, including perpendicular to gravity. Many conifers tend grow directly perpendicular to gravity. Does that imply human intervention? The ocean horizon appears completely flat? Man-made? You see how silly this argument sounds?
And the nubs…have you ever seen garnet schist? Are you familiar with deep sea manganese nodules? Geological formations have all sorts of interesting features that “resemble” much later human creations. I like to imagine the first hominids to find crystilline formations of perfectly cubic pyrite or perfectly flat sheets of pyrite. If anything, humans were possibly first intrigued at the idea of trying to imitate such “perfect” shapes…imitating nature versus the other way around.
The suggestion that a rock wall is man-made, on the other hand, demands numerous other questions that should always be foremost in your thinking: What purpose would it have served? Was there a known population in the area large enough to have supported its construction? Is there any other evidence of human occupation in the vicinity? Etc
Simply thinking/saying “It just kinds looks a lot like (whatever else)” is not valid investigative inquiry; it is merely idle musing not worthy of scientific claim.
Have you noticed how the red sandstone along the Colorado Front Range is all tilted at the *same angle*? It MUST be a man-made structure! (sarcasm)
There is no natural rock formation having 90 degree, and the natural rock formation WILL NOT FORM A STRAIGHT WALL. These walls have the same characteristic of Sacsayhuaman's wall, natural crack my ass.
@@fulgrimthephoenician1022 Fulgrim the Phoenician, who speaks for the entire scientific community, has thus decreed, and therefore it is absolute fact. Thank you for the abundant evidence you have provided.
@@abcedertreetoo You and your entire community cannot understand how the fuck the pyramid was build, yet you denied everything you THINK that unsuitable for your puny mind.
@@fulgrimthephoenician1022If you look again, the specific angle he points at is actually 91°, so it has the thumbs up of the Gods to be 100% natural.
22:55 At this point in your video, the formations you show remind me of locations along the road from Laramie Wy, to Ft Collins Co. Amazing! Thank you.
Thank you for the new video!
100% Natural
I also saw this some months ago. I am glad you followed up on the Sage Wall. Thank you again.
All in all, it's just another brick in the wall.
Ya can't have any pudding if ya don't eat your meat!
Well at least you didn’t take it for granite
I like corn 😂
Rats, you beat me to it.
As long as we're all being gneiss...
You Crack me up! 😂
BEST SAGE WALL VIDEO ON RUclips!! Just gotta find those LiDar results!!
This was definitely a change of pace but thanks for the best footage I’ve ever seen of sage wall. I’m here a few minutes after upload and I bet in 6 mos this video has at least 5 million views.
The tight cracks like shown at 5:02 clearly show natural. Next you have erosion making it smooth "tight" fits of "human made" stone.
I agree with you 💯. I thought the same thing
🦘🇦🇺 Thank you Andrew & Evelyn. ( Great to see you back Evelyn 😁) in both cases, absolute evidence that these structures are “being” made, not natural. There is mounting evidence throughout all these sites that heat and/or sound have been used in their manufacturing. Whether the Sage Wall is a “plate” in a battery system due to its magnetic properties is yet to be seen. There are “batteries” in other geographic formations. Thanks for the journey. Your enthusiasm is greatly appreciated. 🙏
Great Episode.
Thank you to Chris & Linda for allowing you to film.
Hi Mrs. Dessert Drifter 🙌
From here looks natural
Parts look natural. Parts of it look man made
You might want to look into Rockwall, TX. Most of that wall is underground. Thank you for the tour.
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What if they contain magnetic pull in order to be stronger as a wall
As molten rock cools, it cracks along molecular structures. A good example is hexagonal basaltic columns.
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